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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    1st. like Clinton
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,753
    2nd like Johnson
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,391
    And so on for the next month.

    https://twitter.com/SweetPeaPatsy/status/784851509351559168
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    Just put money on Ryan and Pence. Gotta a feeling that 2016's amazing rollercoaster in world politics 'aint over just yet. Still green on Clinton, but less now.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If nothing else, this election certainly isn't dull.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Theuniondivvie said:

    And so on for the next month.

    You'll have TSE posting the Chloe Moretz pic if you're not careful.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Theuniondivvie said:

    And so on for the next month.

    twitter.com/SweetPeaPatsy/status/784851509351559168

    Very good :D
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    McCain withdraws support for the Groper in Chief. About friggin time.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,905
    Theuniondivvie said:

    And so on for the next month.

    https://twitter.com/SweetPeaPatsy/status/784851509351559168

    I did lol
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The Republicans got furious that the American public didn't care.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The economy was booming, and he hardly did anything. Thats why.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    AlastairMeeks said:

    If nothing else, this election certainly isn't dull.

    I am sick of popcorn. I'm hoping to diet in 2017.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Theuniondivvie said:

    And so on for the next month.

    https://twitter.com/SweetPeaPatsy/status/784851509351559168

    I laughed so hard I broke a rib
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,391
    nunu said:

    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The economy was booming, and he hardly did anything. Thats why.
    That's not what Monica said..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    FPT - But relevant to this thread, SPIN have this up on their markets

    Bets placed on a candidate after an official announcement of their withdrawal from the race will be void.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    nunu said:

    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The economy was booming, and he hardly did anything. Thats why.
    Yes, he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    rottenborough said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    If nothing else, this election certainly isn't dull.

    I am sick of popcorn. I'm hoping to diet in 2017.
    https://media.giphy.com/media/pmpTiiqJlgccU/giphy.gif
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    Just turned on CNN for half an hour...I now have a splitting headache.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    edited October 2016
    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    On the tape, there was some comment about better use some tic tacs before meeting the host.

    Edit: Exact quote.

    “I’ve got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her,” Trump says about the actress who was on her way to pick him up for a Days of Our Lives appearance.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The economy was booming, and he hardly did anything. Thats why.
    Yes, he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
    It was a masterful and scholarly legal defence employed by Bill Clinton, I was impressed by it.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,463
    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    I was going to ask the same question.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/784878803759882240
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,181
    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    You can use the mint-flavor ones as a breath freshener, I guess.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Alistair said:

    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The Republicans got furious that the American public didn't care.
    Mostly I think because Bill managed a much better functioning economy, with steadily falling unemployment:

    http://historyinpieces.com/research/us-unemployment-rates-president


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Alistair said:

    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The Republicans got furious that the American public didn't care.
    Mostly I think because Bill managed a much better functioning economy, with steadily falling unemployment:

    http://historyinpieces.com/research/us-unemployment-rates-president


    Plus a recalcitrant Congress from 1994 helped Bill Clinton look like a moderate and good President.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    I bet Biden is lying in bed tonight thinking why the hell didn't I stand! This would have been the landslide to end all landslides.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Confectionery has taken a surprisingly large role in this election. I doubt that either Skittles or Tic Tacs expected to be sucked into it. Given the way that Donald Trump's mind seems to work, Hershey must be on edge.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    "If there is any material change to the established role or any ambiguity as to who occupies the position, then Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time."

    So how exactly will Betfair settle is if Trump's name is on the ballot but he is not the official nominee ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Confectionery has taken a surprisingly large role in this election. I doubt that either Skittles or Tic Tacs expected to be sucked into it. Given the way that Donald Trump's mind seems to work, Hershey must be on edge.

    Hershey chocolate....yuck...
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    rottenborough said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    If nothing else, this election certainly isn't dull.

    I am sick of popcorn. I'm hoping to diet in 2017.
    Indeed. It's been quite a rollercoaster since May 2015, things will calm down now that Corbyn is back in charge I'm sure...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/784878803759882240

    Sorry to blow my trumpet all SeanT style, but I have been pilloried on here the last few nights for saying repeatedly that Trump had already lost.

    He's lost. It's over.

    The question is the scale of the landslide. And no, it doesn't matter there's still a month to go. Voting has started.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    SimonStClare said:

    rottenborough said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    If nothing else, this election certainly isn't dull.

    I am sick of popcorn. I'm hoping to diet in 2017.
    Indeed. It's been quite a rollercoaster since May 2015, things will calm down now that Corbyn is back in charge I'm sure...
    Well he managed to conduct his reshuffle without any problems...on wait...

    Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet reshuffle prompts new Labour row

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37594424
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Confectionery has taken a surprisingly large role in this election. I doubt that either Skittles or Tic Tacs expected to be sucked into it. Given the way that Donald Trump's mind seems to work, Hershey must be on edge.

    Hershey's truly is the Devil's buttermilk
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    I'll be interested to see what Trump's debating TicTacs are.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,333
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Confectionery has taken a surprisingly large role in this election. I doubt that either Skittles or Tic Tacs expected to be sucked into it. Given the way that Donald Trump's mind seems to work, Hershey must be on edge.

    Skittles was a 4chan meme based on Trayvon Martin plus an older meme that used M&Ms.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    Trump allegedly agrees his own daughter is a piece of ass:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    edited October 2016
    It feels the only way Clinton is going to lose this election is if The Guardian does a letter writing campaign for her.

    Edit as some wag on twitter put it

    ..or she engraves her campaign pledges on a 12 ft stone plinth
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    By my count, 52 GOP governors, senators and representatives have now stated that they do not support Trump. (That's 16% of total.)
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited October 2016
    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SimonStClare said:

    rottenborough said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    If nothing else, this election certainly isn't dull.

    I am sick of popcorn. I'm hoping to diet in 2017.
    Indeed. It's been quite a rollercoaster since May 2015, things will calm down now that Corbyn is back in charge I'm sure...
    And there is a UKIP leadership contest to enjoy too, if you like bloodsports.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Is Pence the only viable replacement, since his name is on the ballot, or is the field open?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,838
    Re: Betfair rules, it will be Trump or Hillary unless one of them dies. If Trump somehow wins 270 ECVS you will see a lot of rowing back.. If he doesn't which looks likely then it is HRC
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2016
    RobD said:

    Is Pence the only viable replacement, since his name is on the ballot, or is the field open?

    They have already settled that Pence-Carson will be the replacement ticket once Trump is out.

    The only question is when not if.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    RobD said:

    Is Pence the only viable replacement, since his name is on the ballot, or is the field open?

    He's only viable if Trump voluntarily quits and even then there's 50 plus states and territories with their own electoral laws, and in some states the ballot papers have already gone out.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Is Pence the only viable replacement, since his name is on the ballot, or is the field open?

    They have already settled that Pence-Carson will be the replacement ticket once Trump is out.

    The only question is when not if.
    They have?
  • JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488
    Trump could well be out of this now.

    What was Smithson on about in the last thread? More people voted for Brexit than have ever voted for anything in this nation's history.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    "It has become clear to party leaders and strategists over the past 24 hours that Trump’s chances of winning the presidency are less than 20 percent, if not less than 10 percent"

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/300036-senate-republicans-wrestle-over-dumping-trum


    They have finally logged on to 538!!

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Is Pence the only viable replacement, since his name is on the ballot, or is the field open?

    They have already settled that Pence-Carson will be the replacement ticket once Trump is out.

    The only question is when not if.
    They have?
    According to a source from the Trump team.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rottenborough said:

    Trump allegedly agrees his own daughter is a piece of ass:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html

    This one?

    http://mashable.com/2016/02/01/trump-daughter/#6hnXHr26qkqh
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,905
    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,905
    JennyFreeman said:

    Trump could well be out of this now.

    What was Smithson on about in the last thread? More people voted for Brexit than have ever voted for anything in this nation's history.

    When were they last asked a binary question?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Monksfield said:

    JennyFreeman said:

    Trump could well be out of this now.

    What was Smithson on about in the last thread? More people voted for Brexit than have ever voted for anything in this nation's history.

    When were they last asked a binary question?
    Five years before. How could you so easily forget the glorious AV referendum?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited October 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    I got on Texas today at 10/1 with Shadsy; but it seems to have gone.

    I would have thought that Arizona would be a better bet than Indiana, which will get some Pence benefit.

    Utah too. Mormans for Trump? I think not.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    If the election where today or tomorrow, Hillary would win all states except W.Virginia and Wyoming.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Monksfield said:

    JennyFreeman said:

    Trump could well be out of this now.

    What was Smithson on about in the last thread? More people voted for Brexit than have ever voted for anything in this nation's history.

    When were they last asked a binary question?
    "Is Neil Kinnock alright?"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Speedy said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    If the election where today or tomorrow, Hillary would win all states except W.Virginia and Wyoming.
    Makes you wonder why they didn't wait until a few days before the election!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    foxinsoxuk said:

    rottenborough said:

    Trump allegedly agrees his own daughter is a piece of ass:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html

    This one?

    http://mashable.com/2016/02/01/trump-daughter/#6hnXHr26qkqh
    Dear Lord. Why the hell didn't Jeb or Christie pull this out of the archives?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    From George W Bush's lawyer, who worked on the Florida 2000 court cases

    https://twitter.com/samsanders/status/784797038642917376
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Wikileaks
    We have published 1% of the #PodestaEmails so far. Additional publications will proceed throughout the election period.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    Speedy said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    If the election where today or tomorrow, Hillary would win all states except W.Virginia and Wyoming.
    Idaho?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,463
    edited October 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    He's only viable if Trump voluntarily quits and even then there's 50 plus states and territories with their own electoral laws, and in some states the ballot papers have already gone out.

    If the various states rules conflict could we see no President elected as nobody officially passes 270 votes? So then the House of Representatives elects the President. All assuming the GOP replacement is a much more attractive candidate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Speedy said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    If the election where today or tomorrow, Hillary would win all states except W.Virginia and Wyoming.
    Idaho?
    Hillary has her own private Idaho.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    glw said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    He's only viable if Trump voluntarily quits and even then there's 50 plus states and territories with their own electoral laws, and in some states the ballot papers have already gone out.

    If the various states rules conflict could we see no President elected as nobody officially passes 270 votes? So then the House of Representatives elects the President.
    Could you imagine if that happens and they still elected Trump... :p
  • JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488
    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    http://order-order.com/2016/10/08/full-trump-tape-apology/
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,905
    williamglenn said:

    Monksfield said:

    JennyFreeman said:

    Trump could well be out of this now.

    What was Smithson on about in the last thread? More people voted for Brexit than have ever voted for anything in this nation's history.

    When were they last asked a binary question?
    "Is Neil Kinnock alright?"
    Neil Kinnock would be mightily alright in the current circumstances....
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    glw said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    He's only viable if Trump voluntarily quits and even then there's 50 plus states and territories with their own electoral laws, and in some states the ballot papers have already gone out.

    If the various states rules conflict could we see no President elected as nobody officially passes 270 votes? So then the House of Representatives elects the President.
    ...and the Senate elects the Vice President! Between that, the registration-per-state, and the electoral college generally, our American friends really should bring their elections out of the 18th century.

    Then again that would make their politics a lot less interesting ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    I got on Texas today at 10/1 with Shadsy; but it seems to have gone.

    I would have thought that Arizona would be a better bet than Indiana, which will get some Trump benefit.

    Utah too. Mormans for Trump? I think not.
    16/1 for me. I nearly did a thread on Utah going for Hillary. Headline was

    'Donald Trump, Utah Saint or Utah Sinner? Clinton's campaign is doing Something Good'

    But here's the most important news stories from today, the GOP are avoiding Trump like a bad case of the clap, which screws up his ground game/GOTV

    https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/784828536880115712
    https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/784822932119887872
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From George W Bush's lawyer, who worked on the Florida 2000 court cases

    https://twitter.com/samsanders/status/784797038642917376

    Rule 9:

    "Legal experts say that RNC rule 9 allows the Republican National Committee “to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States” "

    Otherwise?
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    PlatoSaid said:

    Wikileaks
    We have published 1% of the #PodestaEmails so far. Additional publications will proceed throughout the election period.

    no one cares. The NBC Trump tapes will take precedence
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Los Angeles Times ‏@latimes 56m

    Breaking: 3 police officers have been shot in Palm Springs. Story to come.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,463
    Essexit said:

    ...and the Senate elects the Vice President! Between that, the registration-per-state, and the electoral college generally, our American friends really should bring their elections out of the 18th century.

    Then again that would make their politics a lot less interesting ;)

    The fools shouldn't write down the rules, we at least can easily fudge our way around such problems.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    619 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Wikileaks
    We have published 1% of the #PodestaEmails so far. Additional publications will proceed throughout the election period.

    no one cares. The NBC Trump tapes will take precedence
    Isn't Wikileaks now part of the Russian government? Or did I mishear something earlier?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    nunu said:

    Los Angeles Times ‏@latimes 56m

    Breaking: 3 police officers have been shot in Palm Springs. Story to come.

    Events can quickly make moral outrage look like the decadent irrelevancy it is.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    I got on Texas today at 10/1 with Shadsy; but it seems to have gone.

    I would have thought that Arizona would be a better bet than Indiana, which will get some Trump benefit.

    Utah too. Mormans for Trump? I think not.
    16/1 for me. I nearly did a thread on Utah going for Hillary. Headline was

    'Donald Trump, Utah Saint or Utah Sinner? Clinton's campaign is doing Something Good'

    But here's the most important news stories from today, the GOP are avoiding Trump like a bad case of the clap, which screws up his ground game/GOTV

    https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/784828536880115712
    https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/784822932119887872
    Possibly the other value bet is Johnson over 10% at 5/1 at Ladbrokes.

    State winner in New Mex or Utah too?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    If the election where today or tomorrow, Hillary would win all states except W.Virginia and Wyoming.
    Makes you wonder why they didn't wait until a few days before the election!
    Because they are still keeping the worse for then.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    rottenborough said:

    619 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Wikileaks
    We have published 1% of the #PodestaEmails so far. Additional publications will proceed throughout the election period.

    no one cares. The NBC Trump tapes will take precedence
    Isn't Wikileaks now part of the Russian government? Or did I mishear something earlier?
    You didn't mishear, plus Wikileaks have history of hyping their leaks beforehand, and it turns out to be all fart and no follow through
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,261
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The economy was booming, and he hardly did anything. Thats why.
    Yes, he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
    It was a masterful and scholarly legal defence employed by Bill Clinton, I was impressed by it.
    Yes. But you did not swallow it.

    BOOM! Drops the mic... :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    You didn't mishear, plus Wikileaks have history of hyping their leaks beforehand, and it turns out to be all fart and no follow through

    All trump and no bump?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From George W Bush's lawyer, who worked on the Florida 2000 court cases

    https://twitter.com/samsanders/status/784797038642917376

    There are provisions regarding physical or mental incapacitation of the nominee.
    Trump can be declared mentally incapacitated, and be replaced.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    I got on Texas today at 10/1 with Shadsy; but it seems to have gone.

    I would have thought that Arizona would be a better bet than Indiana, which will get some Trump benefit.

    Utah too. Mormans for Trump? I think not.
    16/1 for me. I nearly did a thread on Utah going for Hillary. Headline was

    'Donald Trump, Utah Saint or Utah Sinner? Clinton's campaign is doing Something Good'

    But here's the most important news stories from today, the GOP are avoiding Trump like a bad case of the clap, which screws up his ground game/GOTV

    https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/784828536880115712
    https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/784822932119887872
    Possibly the other value bet is Johnson over 10% at 5/1 at Ladbrokes.

    State winner in New Mex or Utah too?
    I have a tenner on Johnson in Utah at 12/1 - feeling reasonably happy with that right now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Speedy said:

    There are provisions regarding physical or mental incapacitation of the nominee.
    Trump can be declared mentally incapacitated, and be replaced.

    Which side won the Cold War again?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    viewcode said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    surbiton said:

    In the 538 website there is an article on President's approval ratings throughout their term in office.

    It is quite remarkable that Bill Clinton's ratings hardly ever slumped, even during Lewinsky, and was very strong when he left office.

    The economy was booming, and he hardly did anything. Thats why.
    Yes, he did not have sexual relations with that woman.
    It was a masterful and scholarly legal defence employed by Bill Clinton, I was impressed by it.
    Yes. But you did not swallow it.

    BOOM! Drops the mic... :)
    Back in 1999, Monica Lewinsky came to Sheffield to do a tour/signing of her book about the affair.

    I asked her 'Was it a blow by blow account'?
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    rottenborough said:

    619 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Wikileaks
    We have published 1% of the #PodestaEmails so far. Additional publications will proceed throughout the election period.

    no one cares. The NBC Trump tapes will take precedence
    Isn't Wikileaks now part of the Russian government? Or did I mishear something earlier?
    us intelligence released a report saying that russia are forging documents and using wikileaks as there method for worldwide distibution
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    edited October 2016
    Frances Serrano, who lives directly across the street from where the shooting took place, spoke to the father of the suspected shooter moments before the incident. The father told Serrano that his son, who has mental issues, had a gun and wanted to shoot cops.

    “He came over and asked for help,” she said.

    Serrano called the police and the father walked back toward his house. Soon after, Serrano heard gunshots.

    http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2016/10/08/palm-springs-officer-involved-shooting-leads-heightened-police-activity/91797350/
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Essexit said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    I got on Texas today at 10/1 with Shadsy; but it seems to have gone.

    I would have thought that Arizona would be a better bet than Indiana, which will get some Trump benefit.

    Utah too. Mormans for Trump? I think not.
    16/1 for me. I nearly did a thread on Utah going for Hillary. Headline was

    'Donald Trump, Utah Saint or Utah Sinner? Clinton's campaign is doing Something Good'

    But here's the most important news stories from today, the GOP are avoiding Trump like a bad case of the clap, which screws up his ground game/GOTV

    https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/784828536880115712
    https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/784822932119887872
    Possibly the other value bet is Johnson over 10% at 5/1 at Ladbrokes.

    State winner in New Mex or Utah too?
    I have a tenner on Johnson in Utah at 12/1 - feeling reasonably happy with that right now.
    Could Johnson appear in the third debate if his polling goes up?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,123
    foxinsoxuk said:

    rottenborough said:

    Trump allegedly agrees his own daughter is a piece of ass:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html

    This one?

    http://mashable.com/2016/02/01/trump-daughter/#6hnXHr26qkqh
    There is a serious note about this....I saw it with the Italians and Berlusconi; many people either ignored or tacitly were even supportive of the sleazebag's exploitation of his wealth and position to have sex with young girls. But Berlusconi degraded Italy. Gaddafi too exploited his power and wealth for sexual favours, often under the covert approval of other world leaders whom he tried to impress.

    But we see it all the time....old men, fat bellies, bald, ugly, morally corrupted accessing young women purely because they have money. It is just really horrible because a young woman could not enjoy having a 17 stone, sweaty, old man, probably using viagra or other drugs heaving away on top of them. Highly unpleasant.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    619 said:

    rottenborough said:

    619 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Wikileaks
    We have published 1% of the #PodestaEmails so far. Additional publications will proceed throughout the election period.

    no one cares. The NBC Trump tapes will take precedence
    Isn't Wikileaks now part of the Russian government? Or did I mishear something earlier?
    us intelligence released a report saying that russia are forging documents and using wikileaks as there method for worldwide distibution
    Well with the Clinton Wall Street speeches the solution is fairly simple. She can just release them all herself.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    I got on Texas today at 10/1 with Shadsy; but it seems to have gone.

    I would have thought that Arizona would be a better bet than Indiana, which will get some Trump benefit.

    Utah too. Mormans for Trump? I think not.
    16/1 for me. I nearly did a thread on Utah going for Hillary. Headline was

    'Donald Trump, Utah Saint or Utah Sinner? Clinton's campaign is doing Something Good'

    But here's the most important news stories from today, the GOP are avoiding Trump like a bad case of the clap, which screws up his ground game/GOTV

    https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/784828536880115712
    https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/784822932119887872
    Trump's GOTV has been dead for weeks.

    It's over.

    He needs a Black Swan the size of Manhattan to get out of this now.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2016
    foxinsoxuk said:



    Could Johnson appear in the third debate if his polling goes up?

    15% average is the polling cut off, could happen if this drags on.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,906
    edited October 2016
    Speedy said:

    foxinsoxuk said:



    Could Johnson appear in the third debate if his polling goes up?

    15% average is the polling cut off, could happen if this drags on.
    I thought it was too late for all of that. That it had to be an average in a set of polls that were taken weeks ago?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rottenborough said:



    Trump's GOTV has been dead for weeks.

    It's over.

    He needs a Black Swan the size of Manhattan to get out of this now.

    Voters would by-pass Trump in any event of a black swan.
    He is as politically dead as the Liberal Democrats.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,966
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Essexit said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Monksfield said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    rottenborough said:

    Can someone who has followed every twist and turn on this madness explain the TicTac thing?

    Tic Tac USA ‏@TicTacUSA 3h3 hours ago
    Tic Tac respects all women. We find the recent statements and behavior completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

    I can't think of a crappier PR thing - there's no brand values attribute associated with politics or social leaning. Imagine Branston pickle saying this...

    Beyond daft.
    Piling in on a loser is clearly seen as an attractive marketing ploy and let face it America is the land of the winner...

    The question is how big can the win get? Could Arizona be in play, or Indiana?
    Talking up my own book, I reckon Texas is in play now.
    I got on Texas today at 10/1 with Shadsy; but it seems to have gone.

    I would have thought that Arizona would be a better bet than Indiana, which will get some Trump benefit.

    Utah too. Mormans for Trump? I think not.
    16/1 for me. I nearly did a thread on Utah going for Hillary. Headline was

    'Donald Trump, Utah Saint or Utah Sinner? Clinton's campaign is doing Something Good'

    But here's the most important news stories from today, the GOP are avoiding Trump like a bad case of the clap, which screws up his ground game/GOTV

    https://twitter.com/MaryAnnAhernNBC/status/784828536880115712
    https://twitter.com/politicoalex/status/784822932119887872
    Possibly the other value bet is Johnson over 10% at 5/1 at Ladbrokes.

    State winner in New Mex or Utah too?
    I have a tenner on Johnson in Utah at 12/1 - feeling reasonably happy with that right now.
    Could Johnson appear in the third debate if his polling goes up?
    That's my understanding of it but I'm not 100%. A quick Google hasn't confirmed one way or the other.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited October 2016
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Frances Serrano, who lives directly across the street from where the shooting took place, spoke to the father of the suspected shooter moments before the incident. The father told Serrano that his son, who has mental issues, had a gun and wanted to shoot cops.

    “He came over and asked for help,” she said.

    Serrano called the police and the father walked back toward his house. Soon after, Serrano heard gunshots.

    http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/crime_courts/2016/10/08/palm-springs-officer-involved-shooting-leads-heightened-police-activity/91797350/

    This piece by Reggie Yates the other night was rather good, and not unsympathetic to the cops. Recommended.

    Reggie Yates: Life and Death in Chicago: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0492hzr via @bbciplayer
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    Republican women are abandoning Donald Trump in an historic repudiation of their party’s nominee, a devastating development for the GOP candidate's chances one month before Election Day.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/republican-women-trump-229360#ixzz4MXNG6lkv
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Speedy said:

    foxinsoxuk said:



    Could Johnson appear in the third debate if his polling goes up?

    15% average is the polling cut off, could happen if this drags on.
    I thought it was too late for all of that. That it had to be an average in a set of polls that were taken weeks ago?
    The third debate is still 10 days away.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,945
    Really, Trump needs to spend the next debate abusing and attacking white, middle aged males who are angry about stuff and he has the full set. Not a single demographic left.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    619 said:

    rottenborough said:

    619 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Wikileaks
    We have published 1% of the #PodestaEmails so far. Additional publications will proceed throughout the election period.

    no one cares. The NBC Trump tapes will take precedence
    Isn't Wikileaks now part of the Russian government? Or did I mishear something earlier?
    us intelligence released a report saying that russia are forging documents and using wikileaks as there method for worldwide distibution
    Well with the Clinton Wall Street speeches the solution is fairly simple. She can just release them all herself.
    yeah. Clinton is really in trouble.

    or she could just say its a fake document, as backed up by US intelligence
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