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IanB2

First like Farron in 2020

TheScreamingEagles

Bugger, Mike's pre-empted my morning thread.

Grrr grrr

tlg86

IanB2 said:

First like Farron in 2020

I agree, he should hold on in Westmorland and Lonsdale.

foxinsoxuk

3rd in the sack race

TheScreamingEagles

This explains it all

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/782306086170816512

TheScreamingEagles

But the other main betting related angle from the interview, she's ruling out an early election, she's going for 2020.

tlg86

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bugger, Mike's pre-empted my morning thread.

Grrr grrr

But he's just posted the front page of the Sunday Times. Surely you can elaborate on it by making a reference to classical history that will be lost on plebs like me.

AlastairMeeks

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Scott_P

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

The B Ark...

TheScreamingEagles

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Bugger, Mike's pre-empted my morning thread.

Grrr grrr

But he's just posted the front page of the Sunday Times. Surely you can elaborate on it by making a reference to classical history that will be lost on plebs like me.

I shall see what I can do.

Theresa May = Basil II

Remainers = The Bulgars

The Great Repeal Bill = The Battle of Kleidion

foxinsoxuk

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

It is the process of globalisation. Reductions in differences between countries at the price of increasing inequality in each.

It is marxism in the 21st century, class interests and loyalties are greater than national ones.

YellowSubmarine

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

I think that's already happened. It's why we're having the current political crisis we currently are. We're still a single polis but no longer a single demos. If we split into different polis as well there'd be a physical resource war I guess.

rcs1000

One of my solidly Republican friends has just posted an impassioned "Please Don't Vote for Trump" piece on Facebook. I don't think she's going to go as far as voting for Hillary, but I think this will be the first time in her life she has not voted Republican.

Ishmael_X

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

tlg86

rcs1000 said:

One of my solidly Republican friends has just posted an impassioned "Please Don't Vote for Trump" piece on Facebook. I don't think she's going to go as far as voting for Hillary, but I think this will be the first time in her life she has not voted Republican.

What state does she live in?

Sunil_Prasannan

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Actually, it was the natives, not fellow freed slaves.

Sandpit

@rcs1000, have a bloody fantastic time tomorrow, you lucky git!

Ishmael_X

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Actually, it was the natives, not fellow freed slaves.

OK, Dr P. My copy of The Scramble for Africa was lost in the last house move, so I'll take your word for it.

TCPoliticalBetting

On 24th June.
7.12AM Laura K of BBC "that does not mean that the PM is going to come out here and resign"
8.20AM Cameron "I resign".

TCPoliticalBetting

tlg86 said:

IanB2 said:

First like Farron in 2020

I agree, he should hold on in Westmorland and Lonsdale.

Farron in 2020 may be the new Lib Dem grouping able to fit on a moped.

Sunil_Prasannan

Ishmael_X said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Actually, it was the natives, not fellow freed slaves.

OK, Dr P. My copy of The Scramble for Africa was lost in the last house move, so I'll take your word for it.

Liberia is part of the continent of Africa, so would have had a pre-existing populace, no?

TCPoliticalBetting

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

"proles" What a disgusting attitude your friend has. You seem to mix with some very nasty people.

TCPoliticalBetting

YellowSubmarine said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

I think that's already happened. It's why we're having the current political crisis we currently are. We're still a single polis but no longer a single demos. If we split into different polis as well there'd be a physical resource war I guess.

In today's labour market the people with A levels and degrees (outside of Russell group) are generally earning less than the UK plumbers, plasterers and electricians that I mix with. The rise of tradesmen is creating its own dynamic and these people are going to be less susceptible to the effects of A.I.

Ishmael_X

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Actually, it was the natives, not fellow freed slaves.

OK, Dr P. My copy of The Scramble for Africa was lost in the last house move, so I'll take your word for it.

Liberia is part of the continent of Africa, so would have had a pre-existing populace, no?

Yes.

NoEasyDay

I am sure Mrs May will make a big Brexit announcement tommorow. Otherwise whats the point of her speech if she ignores the the greatest issue of the day. Question is, and its not obvious from the article, what is the announcementt. Added a t for the pedants.

AlastairMeeks

TCPoliticalBetting said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

"proles" What a disgusting attitude your friend has. You seem to mix with some very nasty people.

I think, though I'll check, that my friend would see himself as one of the proles.

rcs1000

TCPoliticalBetting said:

YellowSubmarine said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

I think that's already happened. It's why we're having the current political crisis we currently are. We're still a single polis but no longer a single demos. If we split into different polis as well there'd be a physical resource war I guess.

In today's market the people with A levels and degrees (outside of Russel group) are generally earning less than the UK plumbers, plasterers and electricians that I mix with.

Wait: aren't the UK plumbers, plasterers and the like, the ones that are seeing competition from Eastern European immigrants?

TCPoliticalBetting

rcs1000 said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

YellowSubmarine said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

I think that's already happened. It's why we're having the current political crisis we currently are. We're still a single polis but no longer a single demos. If we split into different polis as well there'd be a physical resource war I guess.

In today's market the people with A levels and degrees (outside of Russel group) are generally earning less than the UK plumbers, plasterers and electricians that I mix with.

Wait: aren't the UK plumbers, plasterers and the like, the ones that are seeing competition from Eastern European immigrants?

My comment applies to non-London. Not as much as brick layers have. There are some qualification and other barriers.

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Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Actually, it was the natives, not fellow freed slaves.

OK, um..Haiti?

rcs1000

TCPoliticalBetting said:

rcs1000 said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

YellowSubmarine said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

I think that's already happened. It's why we're having the current political crisis we currently are. We're still a single polis but no longer a single demos. If we split into different polis as well there'd be a physical resource war I guess.

In today's market the people with A levels and degrees (outside of Russel group) are generally earning less than the UK plumbers, plasterers and electricians that I mix with.

Wait: aren't the UK plumbers, plasterers and the like, the ones that are seeing competition from Eastern European immigrants?

My comment applies to non-London. Not as much as brick layers have. There are some qualification and other barriers.

I would add I had an excellent British boiler technician round today. He was unbelievably expensive (quite outrageously so), but very competent.

foxinsoxuk

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Jonathan

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

Ishmael_X

foxinsoxuk said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Looks brilliant - "deeply sick and depraved".

viewcode

rcs1000 said:

I have a flying lesson in a Spitfire tomorrow.

* Don't roll it. Unlike the Bf109's it fought, the Spit wasn't fuel injected, so if it pulled negative G the engine cut out. You can hear this in the "Battle of Britain" film (which used real Spits in the filming), where you can hear the engines sputter.
* The green bit is the ground. The blue bit is the sky. Don't get the two mixed up.

Big_G_NorthWales

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

Why

foxinsoxuk

Ishmael_X said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Looks brilliant - "deeply sick and depraved".

It's got everything. Sex, cannabalism and even a snuff sequence, and that is the heroine...

viewcode

TCPoliticalBetting said:

In today's labour market the people with A levels and degrees (outside of Russell group) are generally earning less than the UK plumbers, plasterers and electricians that I mix with. The rise of tradesmen is creating its own dynamic and these people are going to be less susceptible to the effects of A.I.

* How much do you think plumbers/plasterers/electricians earn?
* How much do you think people with A levels and degrees earn?

NoEasyDay

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

Where did else did you think they would come from ? The Rolling stones ?

Moses_

Ishmael_X said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Looks brilliant - "deeply sick and depraved".

.......And the Labour conference was one that could not even mange to get Brexit in the top 8 of the agenda of course

If you are going to shill then at least do it properly and remember what happened only last week.

Ishmael_X

Moses_ said:

Ishmael_X said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Looks brilliant - "deeply sick and depraved".

.......And the Labour conference was one that could not even mange to get Brexit in the top 8 of the agenda of course

If you are going to shill then at least do it properly and remember what happened only last week.

I don't think that was meant for me.

rcs1000

The way I look at the world there’s one person who matters and six billion supporting players of varying levels of minor relevance.

viewcode

Moses_ said:

Ishmael_X said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Looks brilliant - "deeply sick and depraved".

.......And the Labour conference was one that could not even mange to get Brexit in the top 8 of the agenda of course

If you are going to shill then at least do it properly and remember what happened only last week.

I think Ishmael_X was referring to the book "I, Weapon", and not the Tory Party Conference

AndyJS

FPT:

rcs1000 said:

I can't believe I'm on pb on a Saturday night.

But then I remember why. It's because I'm having a quiet night in. Because I have a flying lesson in a Spitfire tomorrow.

If, around 3pm, you are near Cambridge, and see a Spitfire fly overhead. That's me flying it, that is.

I'm going to be at Husbands Bosworth Gliding Club tomorrow, so I'll look out for you in the far distance.

Barnesian

rcs1000 said:

The way I look at the world there’s one person who matters and six billion supporting players of varying levels of minor relevance.

What about the other 1.4 billion?

foxinsoxuk

viewcode said:

Moses_ said:

Ishmael_X said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Looks brilliant - "deeply sick and depraved".

.......And the Labour conference was one that could not even mange to get Brexit in the top 8 of the agenda of course

If you are going to shill then at least do it properly and remember what happened only last week.

I think Ishmael_X was referring to the book "I, Weapon", and not the Tory Party Conference

"Deeply sick and depraved"? It is an easy mistake to make...

YellowSubmarine

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

Big_G_NorthWales

YellowSubmarine said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

Ruth Davidson doesn't

Sandpit

AndyJS said:

FPT:

rcs1000 said:

I can't believe I'm on pb on a Saturday night.

But then I remember why. It's because I'm having a quiet night in. Because I have a flying lesson in a Spitfire tomorrow.

If, around 3pm, you are near Cambridge, and see a Spitfire fly overhead. That's me flying it, that is.

I'm going to be at Husbands Bosworth Gliding Club tomorrow, so I'll look out for you in the far distance.

Another lucky PBer going flying. Say hi to HusBos, I've not been there in years.

AndyJS

Sandpit said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

rcs1000 said:

I can't believe I'm on pb on a Saturday night.

But then I remember why. It's because I'm having a quiet night in. Because I have a flying lesson in a Spitfire tomorrow.

If, around 3pm, you are near Cambridge, and see a Spitfire fly overhead. That's me flying it, that is.

I'm going to be at Husbands Bosworth Gliding Club tomorrow, so I'll look out for you in the far distance.

Another lucky PBer going flying. Say hi to HusBos, I've not been there in years.

Will do. I think it's the second biggest gliding club in the club after Lasham in Hampshire. Longstanding member and tug pilot Mike Till was telling me some amusing anecdotes about running a casino in Zambia in the 1970s last time I was there.

foxinsoxuk

YellowSubmarine said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

The capitulation of the opposition is a real problem.

Mind you if The Leavers do manage to cut immigration, the workers will be able to put the boot into the Brexiteer government quite nicely.

AndyJS

Observer:

Con 38, Lab 31, UKIP 16, LD 5

Tories and UKIP both up since the general election. Dire for the LDs.

Sandpit

AndyJS said:

Sandpit said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

rcs1000 said:

I can't believe I'm on pb on a Saturday night.

But then I remember why. It's because I'm having a quiet night in. Because I have a flying lesson in a Spitfire tomorrow.

If, around 3pm, you are near Cambridge, and see a Spitfire fly overhead. That's me flying it, that is.

I'm going to be at Husbands Bosworth Gliding Club tomorrow, so I'll look out for you in the far distance.

Another lucky PBer going flying. Say hi to HusBos, I've not been there in years.

Will do. I think it's the second biggest gliding club in the club after Lasham in Hampshire. Longstanding member and tug pilot Mike Till was telling me some amusing anecdotes about running a casino in Zambia in the 1970s last time I was there.

Indeed it is. I was a member of another gliding club before I emigrated a few years back, it's the one thing I really miss not doing. There's usually some great characters around the place, sounds like you found one in this tug pilot!

Danny565

AndyJS said:

Observer:

Con 38, Lab 31, UKIP 16, LD 5

Tories and UKIP both up since the general election. Dire for the LDs.

What pollster is that?

YellowSubmarine

AndyJS said:

Observer:

Con 38, Lab 31, UKIP 16, LD 5

Tories and UKIP both up since the general election. Dire for the LDs.

A big chunk of Lib Dem support is self referential. It exists because of the uber localist social work of elected representatives. It doesn't preexist them wining. Now a chain saw has been taken to incumbency and the resources that go with it I've always felt the national vote share would dip before it begins to recover.

AndyJS

Danny565 said:

AndyJS said:

Observer:

Con 38, Lab 31, UKIP 16, LD 5

Tories and UKIP both up since the general election. Dire for the LDs.

What pollster is that?

Well, I think it must be Opinium because they usually do the Observer's polls.

IanB2

From David Green:

Remember:

The left-hand Brexit ledger is called "Words" - and it gets fuller every day.

Keep watching the right-hand ledger, "Actions".

welshowl

foxinsoxuk said:

YellowSubmarine said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

The capitulation of the opposition is a real problem.

Mind you if The Leavers do manage to cut immigration, the workers will be able to put the boot into the Brexiteer government quite nicely.

Why wouldn't they reward them?

MTimT

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Clearly, Metropolita would become La Cage aux Folles, whereas Prolitana would become Lord of the Flies.

TheScreamingEagles

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Pulpstar

rcs1000 said:

The way I look at the world there’s one person who matters and six billion supporting players of varying levels of minor relevance.

Best for you to stay in her good books then

MyBurningEars

rcs1000 said:

One of my solidly Republican friends has just posted an impassioned "Please Don't Vote for Trump" piece on Facebook. I don't think she's going to go as far as voting for Hillary, but I think this will be the first time in her life she has not voted Republican.

I wonder if there will be a long-term negative "memory effect" on Republican candidates in the future - will lifelong Republican voters who have, for the first time, abstained or turned to the other side, going to be less certain to vote Republican in future? Once a habit is lost it strikes me that a psychological barrier has been removed for the future.

I found it much easier to vote Conservative after the first time I voted Conservative (in tactical votes, which isn't usually so much of an issue in US presidential elections, but still).

AndyJS

TheScreamingEagles said:

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Another shift to the right and centre-right on top of everything else? Bloody hell.

Moses_

Ishmael_X said:

Moses_ said:

Ishmael_X said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ishmael_X said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Asking for a friend: if we took the metropolitan elites from each country and put them in a country with no proles, do you think they would get on or would some soon become proles while others stayed the metropolitan elite?

And similarly, what about the workers?

What would Metropolita look like and what would Prolitana evolve into?

Eloi and morlocks respectively.

Actually the precedent is Liberia, where a ruling class of freed slaves evolved, built itself mansions modelled on those of the Deep South, and used their fellow freed slaves as, er, slaves.

Or perhaps the future world of the book by Charles Runyon "I,Weapon"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4213149-i-weapon

Looks brilliant - "deeply sick and depraved".

.......And the Labour conference was one that could not even mange to get Brexit in the top 8 of the agenda of course

If you are going to shill then at least do it properly and remember what happened only last week.

I don't think that was meant for me.

Nope
My apologies it wasn't at all.

It was to Jonathan's post but my fingers are rather large for the smaller text keys

Moses_

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

.......And the Labour conference was one that could not even mange to get Brexit in the top 8 of the agenda of course

If you are going to shill then at least do it properly and remember what happened only last week.



Could wink now have it in the right direction......

foxinsoxuk

welshowl said:

foxinsoxuk said:

YellowSubmarine said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

The capitulation of the opposition is a real problem.

Mind you if The Leavers do manage to cut immigration, the workers will be able to put the boot into the Brexiteer government quite nicely.

Why wouldn't they reward them?

Because the workers would gain the whip hand in disputes. Us docs for one...

Monksfield

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

Why

Absolutely, who needs Parliament anyway?

welshowl

foxinsoxuk said:

welshowl said:

foxinsoxuk said:

YellowSubmarine said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

The capitulation of the opposition is a real problem.

Mind you if The Leavers do manage to cut immigration, the workers will be able to put the boot into the Brexiteer government quite nicely.

Why wouldn't they reward them?

Because the workers would gain the whip hand in disputes. Us docs for one...

Perhaps. I see your point. I can also see wage inflation reappearing if 450m people are removed from the potential workforce- and good say I. Anything that drives interest rates up is great in my book.

viewcode

Barnesian said:

rcs1000 said:

The way I look at the world there’s one person who matters and six billion supporting players of varying levels of minor relevance.

What about the other 1.4 billion?

They post on here

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Poll boost for 21st Century Socialism....oh....must be a Zionist Conspiracy.

Scrapheap_as_was

Westwood oh.

TheScreamingEagles

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Westwood oh.

Lee Westwood the Jade Dernbach of golf?

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Broken, sleazy LibDems on the slide?

Mortimer

foxinsoxuk said:

welshowl said:

foxinsoxuk said:

YellowSubmarine said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

The capitulation of the opposition is a real problem.

Mind you if The Leavers do manage to cut immigration, the workers will be able to put the boot into the Brexiteer government quite nicely.

Why wouldn't they reward them?

Because the workers would gain the whip hand in disputes. Us docs for one...

Because the current Doc industrial action is really working....

foxinsoxuk

Mortimer said:

foxinsoxuk said:

welshowl said:

foxinsoxuk said:

YellowSubmarine said:

Jonathan said:

Sad the Tory party conference is the main driver of Brexit announcements.

The Tory Party is the driver of everything. We need to get used to it. This crisis is far, far worse than the early 80's. At least the SDP split mean't things were on the road to resolution and there was a semblance of alternative to keep things dynamic. Today Labour are nowhere near splitting, the Lib Dems are in ruins, the Greens are Corbyn mini mes and the country's only national calibre opposition leader, Nicola Sturgeon, want's to destroy the country.

The capitulation of the opposition is a real problem.

Mind you if The Leavers do manage to cut immigration, the workers will be able to put the boot into the Brexiteer government quite nicely.

Why wouldn't they reward them?

Because the workers would gain the whip hand in disputes. Us docs for one...

Because the current Doc industrial action is really working....

The vacancy rate is rising. People are voting with their feet.

And recruitment from Europe has already dropped.

Scrapheap_as_was

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Westwood oh.

Lee Westwood the Jade Dernbach of golf?

Indeed. What a selection howler. Another version is

Westwood 0.

Scrapheap_as_was

Kaymer was a pick too.

0 pts. Also.

619

MyBurningEars said:

rcs1000 said:

One of my solidly Republican friends has just posted an impassioned "Please Don't Vote for Trump" piece on Facebook. I don't think she's going to go as far as voting for Hillary, but I think this will be the first time in her life she has not voted Republican.

I wonder if there will be a long-term negative "memory effect" on Republican candidates in the future - will lifelong Republican voters who have, for the first time, abstained or turned to the other side, going to be less certain to vote Republican in future? Once a habit is lost it strikes me that a psychological barrier has been removed for the future.

I found it much easier to vote Conservative after the first time I voted Conservative (in tactical votes, which isn't usually so much of an issue in US presidential elections, but still).

it depends who the next republican candidate is (assuming Trump loses). The crazies who nominated him are still there.

TheScreamingEagles

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Kaymer was a pick too.

0 pts. Also.

Look on the bright side.

I've backed Spurs to beat City.

Ryder Cup and a Spurs match on the same time.

Best day ever for you.

Scrapheap_as_was

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Kaymer was a pick too.

0 pts. Also.

Look on the bright side.

I've backed Spurs to beat City.

Ryder Cup and a Spurs match on the same time.

Best day ever for you.

Gulp.....

RobD

Just stepped off a plane to find a monumental Tory surge in the polls. I've still got it

AndyJS

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

RobD

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

viewcode

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

It's more the other way around. If we assume the everybody-who-isn't-me-is-evil-and-must-die crowd go for hard-Brexit (can I coin "E-phobic" for this, since they seem to be agin everything starting with an "E"[1]), and the open-internationalist-free-traders go for soft-Brexit, then you can see how the former may encourage said attitudes

[1] EEA, EFTA, ERASMUS, ESA, Ealing Borough Council, epaulettes...

YellowSubmarine

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

The referendum result validated a campaign that blamed the EU for a series of complex problems common to western democracies none of which are going to go away. The implicit question in Morgan's analysis is this. Why should the strategy of blaming a xenos end once we've left the EU ?

RobD

YellowSubmarine said:

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

The referendum result validated a campaign that blamed the EU for a series of complex problems common to western democracies none of which are going to go away. The implicit question in Morgan's analysis is this. Why should the strategy of blaming a xenos end once we've left the EU ?

Im not sure how the type of Brexit changes anything in that regard?

Sunil_Prasannan

viewcode said:

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

It's more the other way around. If we assume the everybody-who-isn't-me-is-evil-and-must-die crowd go for hard-Brexit (can I coin "E-phobic" for this, since they seem to be agin everything starting with an "E"[1]), and the open-internationalist-free-traders go for soft-Brexit, then you can see how the former may encourage said attitudes

[1] EEA, EFTA, ERASMUS, ESA, Ealing Borough Council, epaulettes...

We don't have to be members of the EU to participate in ERASMUS or the ESA...

YellowSubmarine

RobD said:

YellowSubmarine said:

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

The referendum result validated a campaign that blamed the EU for a series of complex problems common to western democracies none of which are going to go away. The implicit question in Morgan's analysis is this. Why should the strategy of blaming a xenos end once we've left the EU ?

Im not sure how the type of Brexit changes anything in that regard?

Well we don't know. Hard Brexit, and our Brexit seems to be hardening by the day, may be a huge success. What if nothing changes ? Or it's a disaster ? " The EU shafted us ! " " Our work visa quotas are still to high " " We can't compete with Mexican wages, this deal with NAFTA stinks ".

Moses_

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

"Lurch to the right?"

The exit route was given across the board including the Labour heartlands of the NE. Lets be honest about this its not a lurch to the right...nor the left... Or even the centre. It's the majority of the British people looking at the situation and saying

Nope!

Moses_

Meanwhile

The one referendum not really mentioned is taking place today / tonight / tomorrow.

"Will Hungarians accept quotas of migrants enforced by the EU?

viewcode

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

It's more the other way around. If we assume the everybody-who-isn't-me-is-evil-and-must-die crowd go for hard-Brexit (can I coin "E-phobic" for this, since they seem to be agin everything starting with an "E"[1]), and the open-internationalist-free-traders go for soft-Brexit, then you can see how the former may encourage said attitudes

[1] EEA, EFTA, ERASMUS, ESA, Ealing Borough Council, epaulettes...

We don't have to be members of the EU to participate in ERASMUS or the ESA...

We don't have to be members of the EU to participate in EFTA or the EEA either

FrancisUrquhart

Scores injured in gas explosion near Malaga, Spain

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37531537

Sunil_Prasannan

viewcode said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

viewcode said:

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

"Hard Brexit will breed new bigotry, warns former Tory minister

Nicky Morgan raises fears on eve of party conference that lurch to the right could encourage attitudes like those of Donald Trump"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/hard-brexit-new-bigotry-warns-nicky-morgan

Not sure how the type of brexit would cause more/less intolerance....

It's more the other way around. If we assume the everybody-who-isn't-me-is-evil-and-must-die crowd go for hard-Brexit (can I coin "E-phobic" for this, since they seem to be agin everything starting with an "E"[1]), and the open-internationalist-free-traders go for soft-Brexit, then you can see how the former may encourage said attitudes

[1] EEA, EFTA, ERASMUS, ESA, Ealing Borough Council, epaulettes...

We don't have to be members of the EU to participate in ERASMUS or the ESA...

We don't have to be members of the EU to participate in EFTA or the EEA either

We don't have to be members of the EU at all...

YellowSubmarine

The NYT has a fragment of one of Trumps tax returns. The Clinton campaign just tweeted the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

FrancisUrquhart

YellowSubmarine said:

The NYT has a fragment of one of Trumps tax returns. The Clinton campaign just tweeted the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

All very convenient timing. I am going to guess they have had this in the filing cabinet for a while. Given how much money his ventures lost at that time although a huge number it isn't surprising as even the NYT points out. But also makes sense why the IRS seems super keen to audit Trump on an extremely regular basis.

Forbes are going to publish an article on Trump's wealth this coming week. From the guy being interviewed he suggested that basically his recent tax records are unlikely to show massive income and would be misleading, as his wealth is all tied up in assets / brands.

His cliff notes were he is very very rich and stories of him not being are rubbish, but not $10bn rich Trump himself claims (basically he puts a crazy pie in the sky number of his personal brand).

YellowSubmarine

FrancisUrquhart said:

YellowSubmarine said:

The NYT has a fragment of one of Trumps tax returns. The Clinton campaign just tweeted the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

All very convenient timing. I am going to guess they have had this in the filing cabinet for a while. Given how much money his ventures lost at that time although a huge number it isn't surprising as even the NYT points out. But also makes sense why the IRS seems super keen to audit Trump on an extremely regular basis.

Forbes are going to publish an article on Trump's wealth this coming week. From the guy being interviewed he suggested that basically his recent tax records are unlikely to show massive income and would be misleading, as his wealth is all tied up in assets / brands.

His cliff notes were he is very very rich and stories of him not being are rubbish, but not $10bn rich Trump himself claims (basically he puts a crazy pie in the sky number of his personal brand).

I agree it's entirely a process story. The fact he is super rich is clearly part of his attraction. I suspect his not releasing them and appearing shifty will be more damaging than having dumped the lot on the public as soon as he had secured the nomination.

peter_from_putney

TheScreamingEagles said:

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Despite recent talk of their supposed great recovery, is this the LibDems lowest poll score of all time?

IanB2

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Despite recent talk of their supposed great recovery, is this the LibDems lowest poll score of all time?

No, during the time of the merger there was one famous poll where they were reduced to an asterisk, because no-one in the sample said they would support them.

AndyJS

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Despite recent talk of their supposed great recovery, is this the LibDems lowest poll score of all time?

No, they hit 4% many times during 1989, and were on 3% with ICM's poll on 25th Nov 1989:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1987-1992

They had a few 4% ratings during 1990 as well.

old_labour

Heart of stone and all that.

David Cameron's former aides were shuffled out of Downing Street so quickly, they did not have time to collect their coats and bicycles, according to an insider at number 10.

IanB2

AndyJS said:

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Opinium Poll for the Observer

Con 38 (+1)
Lab 31 (nc)
LD 5 (-1)
UKIP 16 (+1)

(Changes since July 22nd)


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/tory-conference-brexit-divisions-moderate

Despite recent talk of their supposed great recovery, is this the LibDems lowest poll score of all time?

No, they hit 4% many times during 1989, and were on 3% with ICM's poll on 25th Nov 1989:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1987-1992

They had a few 4% ratings during 1990 as well.

My earlier post is a story that paddy ashdown likes to tell, which I suspect contains a degree of embellishment. I suspect it refers to Andy's 1989 3.0%, which may have been reported by one of the papers with an asterisk because the margin of error is also 3%.