@nsoamesmp: Have told my Constituency that contrary to what I announced in Feb I have decided that I am going,if they readopt me,to stand again #fighton</blockquote
Good News ! Let's prop Ken up with a stick for another term as well!
''At the heart of the Remain argument seems to be view that the UK governments will do crazy economic things, or carry out barbaric social policies, outside of the EU.''
At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in, in favour of a rotting customs union whose banking system is on the verge of collapse.
Certainly, a massive lack of confidence in the judgement of their fellow citizens.
Left-liberal, telegenic, charming. Good communicator who might actually get elected by Labour's nutty membership yet could reunite the party. Shami for leader. Why not?
The obvious problem is that she needs a seat, but very possible otherwise.
''At the heart of the Remain argument seems to be view that the UK governments will do crazy economic things, or carry out barbaric social policies, outside of the EU.''
At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in, in favour of a rotting customs union whose banking system is on the verge of collapse.
Certainly, a massive lack of confidence in the judgement of their fellow citizens.
To be fair the British electorate has voted in crap governments for nearly all my life, so yes it is very possible that they will do so again.
Left-liberal, telegenic, charming. Good communicator who might actually get elected by Labour's nutty membership yet could reunite the party. Shami for leader. Why not?
The obvious problem is that she needs a seat, but very possible otherwise.
Left-liberal, telegenic, charming. Good communicator who might actually get elected by Labour's nutty membership yet could reunite the party. Shami for leader. Why not?
I believe the common line on here whenever there is good and positive news on Brexit is " well it's to early to tell, we will know in the next decade etc etc etc" while anything negative about Brexit is an "immediate disaster starting tomorrow morning , they were warned etc etc etc. "
So I guess with Nissan it's an immediate disaster but Apple and Honda it's to early to tell.
Left-liberal, telegenic, charming. Good communicator who might actually get elected by Labour's nutty membership yet could reunite the party. Shami for leader. Why not?
Wasn't patient enough to wait for a parliamentary seat. I hardly doubt she could have had one if she wanted one too.
''At the heart of the Remain argument seems to be view that the UK governments will do crazy economic things, or carry out barbaric social policies, outside of the EU.''
At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in, in favour of a rotting customs union whose banking system is on the verge of collapse.
Certainly, a massive lack of confidence in the judgement of their fellow citizens.
To be fair the British electorate has voted in crap governments for nearly all my life, so yes it is very possible that they will do so again.
I think it's in the nature of things that governments are rarely very good, but UK governments are plainly better (or less bad) than average.
In fairness Chakrabarti handled him as well as any and better than most. He is tenacious and difficult to deal with but she answered the questions in a straightforward way.
And I am not especially a fan.
She did not. She had no answers to his questions about which Jewish organisations endorsed her report. She was equally evasive on when she first had any discussions about the possibility of a peerage and did not answer the question about when she was first offered it.
I have never thought her anything more than a ninny unable to utter anything more than the sort of banalities that an intelligent first year politics student would be ashamed to make. I know quite a lot about her which is not public which reinforces my view.
@MaxPB is right. Her record on civil liberties is not that good. She showed appalling judgment in relation to the LSE and its acceptance of Ghaddafi family money. She has praised CAGE's main man as a wonderful defender of human rights (CAGE, FFS!) and she failed to speak up for free speech when Geert Wilders was banned, a ban overturned in the courts. There is no record of her challenging Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer, when he accused the judge who sentenced him for a traffic offence of allowing his Jewishness to bias him against him, something you might have though a lawyer concerned about the integrity of the judicial system and anti-Semitism in the Labour Party might have worried about.
She has no real understanding of civil liberties, nor of the threats they face from the sort of people her leader supports and associates with.
She is an idiot with no moral compass. Well suited for today's Labour Party. Unfit to be in Parliament.
In fairness Chakrabarti handled him as well as any and better than most. He is tenacious and difficult to deal with but she answered the questions in a straightforward way.
Priti Patel is a cabinet minister. Richard Burgon is a shadow cabinet minister. Jesus Christ.
Priti Patel not doing well in Boston.
A lot of the Tory hard right, after years of being vote losers, have fooled themselves into thinking that the EuroRef result was a personal endorsement of them and means the country loves them really and that all Cameron's focus on the centre ground was unnecessary.
At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in, in favour of a rotting customs union whose banking system is on the verge of collapse.
"At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in"
At the heart of the remainder argument is an accurate assessment of the capabilities and potential of the country they live in. (Take off those rose tints, they don't suit you IMHO).
Priti Patel is a cabinet minister. Richard Burgon is a shadow cabinet minister. Jesus Christ.
Priti Patel not doing well in Boston.
A lot of the Tory hard right, after years of being vote losers, have fooled themselves into thinking that the EuroRef result was a personal endorsement of them and means the country loves them really and that all Cameron's focus on the centre ground was unnecessary.
That's a fair point. I find that unlikely myself, but to them it's a smaller example of the dame feeling the hard left is experiencing.
Zero sympathy for the Nissan workers if they voted Leave. They were repeatedly warned but chose to listen to those who called it "scaremongering"
We're leaving the EU to free ourselves to subside industry. A UK govt subsidy to Nissan is I'm sure exactly what the Brexiteers had in mind.
Brexit means taking us back to the politics of the 70s. Anyone thinking we were going to become a giant Singapore will have to come to terms with having been useful idiots in a campaign which had nothing to do with their aspirations.
Perhaps I'm reaching, but I think it unlikely any British government will legalise the closed shop and secondary picketing, or reinstate prices and incomes policies.
In fairness Chakrabarti handled him as well as any and better than most. He is tenacious and difficult to deal with but she answered the questions in a straightforward way.
And I am not especially a fan.
She did not. She had no answers to his questions about which Jewish organisations endorsed her report. She was equally evasive on when she first had any discussions about the possibility of a peerage and did not answer the question about when she was first offered it.
I have never thought her anything more than a ninny unable to utter anything more than the sort of banalities that an intelligent first year politics student would be ashamed to make. I know quite a lot about her which is not public which reinforces my view.
@MaxPB is right. Her record on civil liberties is not that good. She showed appalling judgment in relation to the LSE and its acceptance of Ghaddafi family money. She has praised CAGE's main man as a wonderful defender of human rights (CAGE, FFS!) and she failed to speak up for free speech when Geert Wilders was banned, a ban overturned in the courts. There is no record of her challenging Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer, when he accused the judge who sentenced him for a traffic offence of allowing his Jewishness to bias him against him, something you might have though a lawyer concerned about the integrity of the judicial system and anti-Semitism in the Labour Party might have worried about.
She has no real understanding of civil liberties, nor of the threats they face from the sort of people her leader supports and associates with.
She is an idiot with no moral compass. Well suited for today's Labour Party. Unfit to be in Parliament.
''At the heart of the Remain argument seems to be view that the UK governments will do crazy economic things, or carry out barbaric social policies, outside of the EU.''
The first part ("crazy economic things") isn't unreasonable: in fact, given that people such as Fraser Nelson and out own Black Rook are arguing that our heavily-indebted-and-overspending government should borrow further to increase spending, it would seem the "crazy economic things" are happening right now. I also invite you to consider Help-To-Buy, Osborne's premature announcement of the BTL tax changes, Hinkley Point...but I'm sure you can compile your own list
The second part ("barbaric social policies") is more about leaving various human rights legislations than the EU per se, but taking it seriously for the moment. Why do you think that "barbaric social policies" are improbable? Over the past two hundred years, we've had pestilence, unrelieved famine, war, internment, torture, violent insurrection, forced relocation. We like to think we are different from our forebears but human propensity for great cruelty remains unchanged, our original sin. Our somewhat prelapsarian present comfort and security is historically abnormal and historically there is no guarantee it'll continue.
At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in
It's more a concern that Leave contents itself with comforting illusions and fails to get to grip with reality. "Contempt" is an overpromise: thinking somebody is factually wrong is not the same as holding them in contempt
Left-liberal, telegenic, charming. Good communicator who might actually get elected by Labour's nutty membership yet could reunite the party. Shami for leader. Why not?
The obvious problem is that she needs a seat, but very possible otherwise.
She's an acceptable communicator in a very narrow field of expertise. The fact that you're writing this when you know next to nothing about her (what are her views on education, on tax, on state intervention in the economy, on foreign affairs) and what she believes on a range of subjects is a a comment on the current talent pool in the Labour Party.
" registered Democrats are 138 percent of where they were in 2012, and registered Republicans are 77 percent of their 2012 numbers on the same day."- This is culmulative so far.
Repubs are way underpreforming Democrats in North Carolina Abstentee ballots, that seems really bad even accounting for historic Democrat voters who vote Republican, are we seeing the effects of a poor gound game vs. a good one? 86,000 abstentee ballots have been requested so far so will b crucial considering Romney only won the state by 96,000.
Genuine question: is this bulge phenomenon WWC registering to vote *for* Trump or non-whites registering to vote *against* Trump? And is this phenomenon in other states as well? OK, two questions...
At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in
It's more a concern that Leave contents itself with comforting illusions and fails to get to grip with reality. "Contempt" is an overpromise: thinking somebody is factually wrong is not the same as holding them in contempt
Left-liberal, telegenic, charming. Good communicator who might actually get elected by Labour's nutty membership yet could reunite the party. Shami for leader. Why not?
The obvious problem is that she needs a seat, but very possible otherwise.
She's an acceptable communicator in a very narrow field of expertise. The fact that you're writing this when you know next to nothing about her (what are her views on education, on tax, on state intervention in the economy, on foreign affairs) and what she believes on a range of subjects is a a comment on the current talent pool in the Labour Party.
She is a massive step up from anyone else on the Labour front bench, or for that matter on the government front bench.
At the heart of the remainer argument is a contempt for the capabilities and potential of the country they live in
It's more a concern that Leave contents itself with comforting illusions and fails to get to grip with reality. "Contempt" is an overpromise: thinking somebody is factually wrong is not the same as holding them in contempt
LEAVE 52% REMAIN 48%
Lemmings and anti immigrants 52% Those pro the UK economy 48%
Lib Dem Party Membership is now over 80,000 the highest since 1999
It's nice to see the corpse of the old girl twitching. Like one of those nature programmes where great aquatic life has colonised the wreck of a sunken battleship. It might eventually bring a tear to my eye.
It's more a concern that Leave contents itself with comforting illusions and fails to get to grip with reality. "Contempt" is an overpromise: thinking somebody is factually wrong is not the same as holding them in contempt
" registered Democrats are 138 percent of where they were in 2012, and registered Republicans are 77 percent of their 2012 numbers on the same day."- This is culmulative so far.
Repubs are way underpreforming Democrats in North Carolina Abstentee ballots, that seems really bad even accounting for historic Democrat voters who vote Republican, are we seeing the effects of a poor gound game vs. a good one? 86,000 abstentee ballots have been requested so far so will b crucial considering Romney only won the state by 96,000.
Genuine question: is this bulge phenomenon WWC registering to vote *for* Trump or non-whites registering to vote *against* Trump? And is this phenomenon in other states as well? OK, two questions...
not sure but the accepted returned ballots so far are 80% white where as North Carolina electorate as a whole is I believe 70% white only. I don't know the swing based on race from 2012, but theat is conflicting news on the one hand the fall in Repub returns so far are bad for Trump but the over representation of whites are good for him (unless white liberals are shitting themselves) also many of the returns are from abroad who lean democrat. Returns from Maine are also showing better Democrat turnout which is good for Clinton.
New YouGov poll has been done, although the Times doesn't seem to have included voting intention figures, and the YouGov website doesn't have them yet either.
Times does give a few snippets though, including that Theresa May's approval rating is still a very healthy net +24 (46% say she's doing well, 22% badly). HOWEVER, on Brexit specifically, she's seen as doing a bad job (16% approval vs 50% disapproval), and she's also seen as "out of touch" (40% say she is, vs 29% who say she's in touch), and "unlikeable" (35%, vs 32% who say she's likeable).
" registered Democrats are 138 percent of where they were in 2012, and registered Republicans are 77 percent of their 2012 numbers on the same day."- This is culmulative so far.
Repubs are way underpreforming Democrats in North Carolina Abstentee ballots, that seems really bad even accounting for historic Democrat voters who vote Republican, are we seeing the effects of a poor gound game vs. a good one? 86,000 abstentee ballots have been requested so far so will b crucial considering Romney only won the state by 96,000.
Genuine question: is this bulge phenomenon WWC registering to vote *for* Trump or non-whites registering to vote *against* Trump? And is this phenomenon in other states as well? OK, two questions...
not sure but the accepted returned ballots so far are 80% white where as North Carolina electorate as a whole is I believe 70% white only. I don't know the swing based on race from 2012, but theat is conflicting news on the one hand the fall in Repub returns so far are bad for Trump but the over representation of whites are good for him (unless white liberals are shitting themselves) also many of the returns are from abroad who lean democrat. Returns from Maine are also showing better Democrat turnout which is good for Clinton.
New YouGov poll has been done, although the Times doesn't seem to have included voting intention figures, and the YouGov website doesn't have them yet either.
Times does give a few snippets though, including that Theresa May's approval rating is still a very healthy net +24 (46% say she's doing well, 22% badly). HOWEVER, on Brexit specifically, she's seen as doing a bad job (16% approval vs 50% disapproval), and she's also seen as "out of touch" (40% say she is, vs 29% who say she's in touch), and "unlikeable" (35%, vs 32% who say she's likeable).
Fascinating but in defence of May I suspect the nature of the beast on Brexit. She'll have pissed off all Remainers with the " Brexit means Brexit " stuff but disillusioned Brexiteers by not invoking A50, not blown up the channel tunnel, bombed Turkey etc etc. I can't see anyone who'd be doing a better job at the moment.
No problem with anti-Semitism in Labour Party...we had a report and everything...
The vice-chair of pro-Corbyn group Momentum is under pressure to quit over allegations of anti-Semitism. Jackie Walker has faced criticism over comments made on social media and at an anti-Semitism training event.
The TSSA union says it will "seriously reconsider" its support for Momentum if Ms Walker remains in place and the group says its steering committee will meet on Monday to seek her removal.
There is no accompanying text or article to accompany the interview clip, so I am a bit puzzled as to how and why it is supposedly going to go down in history as one of the most earth-shattering brilliant classic interviews in the entire history of the universe. Yesterday, I got an unsolicited phone call from a PPI person, so I threatened to bite off his elbow and throw his pet armadillo out of the window. This does not somehow mean that PPI is going to invade Mongolia and start World War 3, just because some people don't understand analogies properly.
The mysterious sentence I mentioned below is, "The Secretary of State argues that it is for him or another minister, not for Parliament, to decide to start this process, even though once it has started neither this nor any subsequent Parliament would be in a position to stop it."
I see the hearing on the A50 case has slipped a few weeks into mid October. I wonder if the timetable of the Supreme Court ruling on any appeal by the year end can still hold ?
Anti-Government case As a residual power, the prerogative cannot today be extended. The need to ensure executive accountability to Parliament by limiting the exercise of prerogative power, particularly in respect of important decisions affecting citizens' fundamental rights has been endorsed across the political spectrum including the Defendant himself. (David Davis)
Government case A notification under Article 50 would be an administrative act on the international law plane about which complaint cannot be made by any individual claimant in the domestic courts.
The Government may well lose the case and it will then go to appeal which it may also lose.
I think it is becoming increasingly likely that Theresa May will call a General Election in May 2017 to get an unambiguous mandate and sort out her majority.
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Over to you Mark Senior!
I believe the common line on here whenever there is good and positive news on Brexit is " well it's to early to tell, we will know in the next decade etc etc etc" while anything negative about Brexit is an "immediate disaster starting tomorrow morning , they were warned etc etc etc. "
So I guess with Nissan it's an immediate disaster but Apple and Honda it's to early to tell.
Next.
Priti Patel is a cabinet minister. Richard Burgon is a shadow cabinet minister. Jesus Christ.
I have never thought her anything more than a ninny unable to utter anything more than the sort of banalities that an intelligent first year politics student would be ashamed to make. I know quite a lot about her which is not public which reinforces my view.
@MaxPB is right. Her record on civil liberties is not that good. She showed appalling judgment in relation to the LSE and its acceptance of Ghaddafi family money. She has praised CAGE's main man as a wonderful defender of human rights (CAGE, FFS!) and she failed to speak up for free speech when Geert Wilders was banned, a ban overturned in the courts. There is no record of her challenging Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer, when he accused the judge who sentenced him for a traffic offence of allowing his Jewishness to bias him against him, something you might have though a lawyer concerned about the integrity of the judicial system and anti-Semitism in the Labour Party might have worried about.
She has no real understanding of civil liberties, nor of the threats they face from the sort of people her leader supports and associates with.
She is an idiot with no moral compass. Well suited for today's Labour Party. Unfit to be in Parliament.
Lab 535
Con 297
UKIP 238
LDem 37
West Lindsey Cheery Willingham
Con 555
Lab 288
UKIP 244
LD 429
Con 281
UKIP 32
Lab 23
Green 12
It would be great to meet you. Hopefully at a future PB meet up.
(I'm studiously avoiding any jokes about only going to dodgy pubs to meet PB'ers.)
Con 2006
LDem 1053
Lab 409
Green 115
UKIP 91
The second part ("barbaric social policies") is more about leaving various human rights legislations than the EU per se, but taking it seriously for the moment. Why do you think that "barbaric social policies" are improbable? Over the past two hundred years, we've had pestilence, unrelieved famine, war, internment, torture, violent insurrection, forced relocation. We like to think we are different from our forebears but human propensity for great cruelty remains unchanged, our original sin. Our somewhat prelapsarian present comfort and security is historically abnormal and historically there is no guarantee it'll continue. It's more a concern that Leave contents itself with comforting illusions and fails to get to grip with reality. "Contempt" is an overpromise: thinking somebody is factually wrong is not the same as holding them in contempt
No Leppos, that reply with his tongue stuck out, now this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXFb0eSYjEA
REMAIN 48%
Those pro the UK economy 48%
https://twitter.com/electproject
Times does give a few snippets though, including that Theresa May's approval rating is still a very healthy net +24 (46% say she's doing well, 22% badly). HOWEVER, on Brexit specifically, she's seen as doing a bad job (16% approval vs 50% disapproval), and she's also seen as "out of touch" (40% say she is, vs 29% who say she's in touch), and "unlikeable" (35%, vs 32% who say she's likeable).
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/may-fails-to-convince-voters-on-brexit-9chpmqphs
The vice-chair of pro-Corbyn group Momentum is under pressure to quit over allegations of anti-Semitism. Jackie Walker has faced criticism over comments made on social media and at an anti-Semitism training event.
The TSSA union says it will "seriously reconsider" its support for Momentum if Ms Walker remains in place and the group says its steering committee will meet on Monday to seek her removal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37513813
Here's the skeleton argument being presented in the Brexit A50 court case:
https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/PCIPs-Article-50-skeleton-redacted.pdf
I'll get my coat....
The mysterious sentence I mentioned below is, "The Secretary of State
argues that it is for him or another minister, not for Parliament, to decide to start this process, even though once it has started neither this nor any subsequent Parliament would be in a position to stop it."
https://www.bindmans.com/uploads/files/documents/Defendant_s_Detailed_Grounds_of_Resistance_for_publication.PDF
Anti-Government case
https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/PCIPs-Article-50-skeleton-redacted.pdf
Government case https://www.bindmans.com/uploads/files/documents/Defendant_s_Detailed_Grounds_of_Resistance_for_publication.PDF
Flavour of arguments:
Anti-Government case
As a residual power, the prerogative cannot today be extended.
The need to ensure executive accountability to Parliament by limiting the exercise of prerogative power, particularly in respect of important decisions affecting citizens' fundamental rights has been endorsed across the political spectrum including the Defendant himself. (David Davis)
Government case
A notification under Article 50 would be an administrative act on the international law plane about which complaint cannot be made by any individual claimant in the domestic courts.
The Government may well lose the case and it will then go to appeal which it may also lose.
I think it is becoming increasingly likely that Theresa May will call a General Election in May 2017 to get an unambiguous mandate and sort out her majority.