Leaving 'now' isn't on offer by anybody. It's a long drawn out process no matter what so if a new treaty might be on the agenda it's in our interests to take it seriously.
If you took the trouble to read what I actually wrote rather than what you think I wrote....
Okay, nice and simple for you.
Sarkozy isn't in a position to offer anyone anything until and unless he is elected French President next year. We won't be able to wait until then to instigate the A50 process so while his proposal might be picked up by someone else, the truth is we are seeking to leave and voted to leave. The June 23rd vote was NOT a negotiating tactic to get a better treaty - it was clear and unmistakable vote to be rid of the whole enterprise.
His treaty might be the basis of a future admission by a future Government to rejoin the EU but it hasn't much value apart from getting one or two people on here quite excited.
Gawd, the BBC's online coverage on the US election is absolute drivel. They seem obsessed with this stupid frog meme thing, and have daily articles on the matter.
And Skittles...another article today.
At least they have stopped with the daily articles on Fabric nightclub closing.
I'm just glad I use a proxy on my computer, it's only on the phone I have to put up with the constant crap!
His treaty might be the basis of a future admission by a future Government to rejoin the EU but it hasn't much value apart from getting one or two people on here quite excited.
Wow!! Senate votes to override Obama's veto of the 9/11 Bill by 97-1. Harry Reid was the only nay.
What was the bill?
JASTA, very bad news that will enable litigants in the US to over ride the doctrine of Sovereign Immunity. The UK and, indeed, the entire EU have been quietly lobbying against it since it was first proposed. Obama was correct to veto it.
Congress overturning the veto will not end well for the USA or anyone else.
Mr. HYUFD, between UKIP, the Lib Dems and Communism, there's a huge centre ground upon which the Conservatives can frolic. If they can resist the urge to engage in backbiting and internal warfare.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
Trump's lucky he has two more goes. We now have a baseline for how Trump and Clinton interact together on the same stage. Hillary was clearly on top of her game last time whereas he has room for improvement so the narrative could play to his advantage.
Big mistake, the first debate always gets the biggest audience, even if Trump gets a win in the other two he will gain less than what Hillary got in the first one.
Trump should listen to his lawyers, after all Hillary is a lawyer, he also needs acting lessons big time.
It's no coincidence that Lawyers (every President since WW2 except Eisenhower and Reagan was a lawyer) and Actors (like Reagan) are most succesful in politics, it's their vocation to deceive people whether it's the audience or the jury.
Truman not a lawyer Bush I not a lawyer Bush II not a lawyer Carter not a lawyer LBJ not a lawyer Could you please stop commenting on American politics, it embarrasses the site.
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Like Honda?
Or Apple.
Just to remind, they are building a 3,000 person office despite only having around a thousand office based workers in the UK currently. No one invests money on space they aren't going to use.
Apple already has offices in other parts of the single market.
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Trump's lucky he has two more goes. We now have a baseline for how Trump and Clinton interact together on the same stage. Hillary was clearly on top of her game last time whereas he has room for improvement so the narrative could play to his advantage.
i dont think clinton was top of her game. Trump was just terrible and she was much better!
Naturally, as you're a Clinton ramper (though you rarely have a good word to say about her).
Mr. HYUFD, between UKIP, the Lib Dems and Communism, there's a huge centre ground upon which the Conservatives can frolic. If they can resist the urge to engage in backbiting and internal warfare.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
If, as I expect, May agrees Brexit and immigration controls based on a job offer being needed to come to the UK for some form of single market access that will not be enough for the most hardcore Leavers. I could see election 2020 giving a result something like Tory 35% Labour 28% UKIP 18% LD 10% as a result. That would see UKIP gain 3 seats from the Tories, Thurrock, Thanet South and Boston and maybe Hartlepool from Labour, giving them 5 seats if they hold Clacton http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/ukip
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Like Honda?
Yep.
But Honda announced big new investment in their UK plant just a week or so ago.
No big swing to Clinton then, though she has slightly increased her lead. Trump will hope for a better performance in the second debate to get things back closer to level pegging
Trump's lucky he has two more goes. We now have a baseline for how Trump and Clinton interact together on the same stage. Hillary was clearly on top of her game last time whereas he has room for improvement so the narrative could play to his advantage.
Big mistake, the first debate always gets the biggest audience, even if Trump gets a win in the other two he will gain less than what Hillary got in the first one.
Trump should listen to his lawyers, after all Hillary is a lawyer, he also needs acting lessons big time.
It's no coincidence that Lawyers (every President since WW2 except Eisenhower and Reagan was a lawyer) and Actors (like Reagan) are most succesful in politics, it's their vocation to deceive people whether it's the audience or the jury.
Truman not a lawyer Bush I not a lawyer Bush II not a lawyer Carter not a lawyer LBJ not a lawyer Could you please stop commenting on American politics, it embarrasses the site.
JFK not a lawyer
So, to recap, 12 US presidents since WWII - 4 lawyers, 8 non-lawyers
Mr. HYUFD, between UKIP, the Lib Dems and Communism, there's a huge centre ground upon which the Conservatives can frolic. If they can resist the urge to engage in backbiting and internal warfare.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
Ukip may be able to make progress against Labour in WWC areas, but most of the majorities they are up against are still so big that it's probably a long game for them - if they are skilfully led and avoid falling to pieces, of course!
I don't think that they'll get very far trying to win Commons seats off the Tories. The Ukip party hierarchy has already suffered high profile defections (back to) the Tories, who will be working hard to marginalise Ukip and unite the Right, and the appetite for a populist party with some borrowed Old Labour clothes in its wardrobe will be finite amongst the pragmatic middle classes.
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Like Honda?
Yep.
But Honda announced big new investment in their UK plant just a week or so ago.
Great news! We'll see how it pans out if we leave the single market.
Apple already has offices in other parts of the single market.
The UK is way too important for Apple to pull up sticks. Their marketshare here is about two times what it is in other European countries. Due in large part to the relative ease of rolling out news things to the UK.
No olive branches, this division is just going to rumble on and on. I guess from his perspective why would he reflect on what's happened the past year, he has won and he damn well knows it.
He wont face anymore leadership challenges, the party has been taken over and with the rules in place Corbyn will only go when he chooses to. A hammering in 2020 will probably still keep him in post. It's a movement to him, in his view getting his party back to where he thinks it belongs, he doesn't really care about power.
I have no love whatsoever for Labour but I do value and believe in a strong opposition to keep governments on their toes and in check. Otherwise you get complacency and stupid policies with nobody to challenge them. On no level whatsoever does Corbyns labour provide a credible alternative.
I'd be very surprised if Corbyn stays on after being beaten in 2020.
Lewis, McDonnell, Thornberry or some other bod will take over.
It'll be Richard Burgon.
Clive Lewis if he gets on the ballot
To the average Corbynista Clive Lewis is now a Tory after he backed Trident this week
On the other hand, big majorities fell beneath the SNP tsunami.
Politics has been very turbulent ever since Brown's bottled 2007 election. In under a decade we've gone from a Labour Party with a comfortable majority to it being led by Corbyn, potentially over a cliff. Labour's Scottish bastion has become mostly SNP, and we're (perhaps) leaving the EU.
Given the source, perhaps Gideon will see this as a compliment!
"George Osborne will be remembered as a "particularly inept" chancellor whose pursuit of austerity in an attempt to rein in Britain's deficit was doomed to failure, according to Yanis Varoufakis."
I think now we are split between Osborne was a bad chancellor who failed on his own terms, or Osborne always knew he was spouting drivel in order to attack Labour.
Nah, he was just middling, that is to say, pretty crappy, but not exceptionally so.
I think we are heading back to the area of a Hillary landslide victory.
Hillary has already reached her all time high of 47% on my average daily tracking poll, Trump is still at around 43.5% but the debate plus the Miss Universe controversy will probably beat him back down to 40 where he was in early August.
Trump had a chance to become President, but no, he never wanted to prepare for the debate and he had to attack random people.
Even a 3 or 4 point Clinton lead, which is what the latest polls show, is in no way a landslide. Remember too Remain had a 4 point lead in many of the final EU ref polls
Is there anyone who doesn't want a general election in May 2017?
Isn't a French presidential election and German federal elections enough for 2017? And why should I spend 60 days looking at 60 youGov polls all telling me the same (wrong) information?
In truth we've been spoilt the last couple of years.
We have the first rounds of the Socialist and Les Republicains coming up too. LR is in November; the Socialists on 22 January. Will Macron stand? Will Hollande fight off Valls? Will Juppe beat Sarkozy?
Given France's system I'm fascinated by the idea that a Trump-style non politician could step in and catapult themselves to the Presidency.
Allegedly Macron is considering running as an Independent, rather than for the Socialist nomination.
Macron is running for his new centrist party, not as a Socialist, the Socialist primary is presently between Hollande and Montebourg
Mr. HYUFD, between UKIP, the Lib Dems and Communism, there's a huge centre ground upon which the Conservatives can frolic. If they can resist the urge to engage in backbiting and internal warfare.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
If, as I expect, May agrees Brexit and immigration controls based on a job offer being needed to come to the UK for some form of single market access that will not be enough for the most hardcore Leavers. I could see election 2020 giving a result something like Tory 35% Labour 28% UKIP 18% LD 10% as a result. That would see UKIP gain 3 seats from the Tories, Thurrock, Thanet South and Boston and maybe Hartlepool from Labour, giving them 5 seats if they hold Clacton http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/ukip
OK, I promise I'll not mention this on this site again. TM can agree whatever sort of restrictions on people coming into the UK she likes, but unless there is an efficient mechanism for removing those that have entered or remained against those new rules it will not make a happenth of differnece.
From memory there were a bit less than 13,000 removals last year.
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Like Honda?
Yep.
But Honda announced big new investment in their UK plant just a week or so ago.
Great news! We'll see how it pans out if we leave the single market.
Did they not stipulate in the announcement that their plans were independent of the Brexit decision as most of the product will be exported outside of the EU? Or did I remember that incorrectly?
On the other hand, big majorities fell beneath the SNP tsunami.
Politics has been very turbulent ever since Brown's bottled 2007 election. In under a decade we've gone from a Labour Party with a comfortable majority to it being led by Corbyn, potentially over a cliff. Labour's Scottish bastion has become mostly SNP, and we're (perhaps) leaving the EU.
The Scottish situation was exceptional, due to the referendum. And the SNP had, of course, been building progressively in strength and political competence for decades, and was the party of Government in Scotland by the time the great landslides of this May and last were achieved.
Ukip are a minor party that have yet to demonstrate that they can break through a relatively low ceiling of support, save for in European elections which are also exceptional.
Mr. T, not up on this sort of thing, but ignoring sovereign immunity or overriding it doesn't necessarily seem like a terribly good idea.
It will be interesting to see how Americans go about explaining why they should still have sovereign immunity whilst in effect abolishing it for other countries.
Mr. HYUFD, between UKIP, the Lib Dems and Communism, there's a huge centre ground upon which the Conservatives can frolic. If they can resist the urge to engage in backbiting and internal warfare.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
Ukip may be able to make progress against Labour in WWC areas, but most of the majorities they are up against are still so big that it's probably a long game for them - if they are skilfully led and avoid falling to pieces, of course!
I don't think that they'll get very far trying to win Commons seats off the Tories. The Ukip party hierarchy has already suffered high profile defections (back to) the Tories, who will be working hard to marginalise Ukip and unite the Right, and the appetite for a populist party with some borrowed Old Labour clothes in its wardrobe will be finite amongst the pragmatic middle classes.
The 3 Tory seats UKIP have a real chance of gaining, Boston and Skegness, Thurrock and Thanet South are all filled with the lower middle class and skilled working class rather than the upper middle class and indeed Thurrock was Labour from 1992 to 2010 and Thanet South from 1997 to 2010
Trump's lucky he has two more goes. We now have a baseline for how Trump and Clinton interact together on the same stage. Hillary was clearly on top of her game last time whereas he has room for improvement so the narrative could play to his advantage.
Big mistake, the first debate always gets the biggest audience, even if Trump gets a win in the other two he will gain less than what Hillary got in the first one.
Trump should listen to his lawyers, after all Hillary is a lawyer, he also needs acting lessons big time.
It's no coincidence that Lawyers (every President since WW2 except Eisenhower and Reagan was a lawyer) and Actors (like Reagan) are most succesful in politics, it's their vocation to deceive people whether it's the audience or the jury.
Truman not a lawyer Bush I not a lawyer Bush II not a lawyer Carter not a lawyer LBJ not a lawyer Could you please stop commenting on American politics, it embarrasses the site.
JFK not a lawyer
So, to recap, 12 US presidents since WWII - 4 lawyers, 8 non-lawyers
Speedy was talking about success. Carter and Bush 1 were both 1 termers. Sad. Bush 2 had to rely on lawyers to secure the Election for him so laywer by proxy.
JFK, well, I don't think anyone would want their presidency to end that way.
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Like Honda?
Yep.
But Honda announced big new investment in their UK plant just a week or so ago.
Great news! We'll see how it pans out if we leave the single market.
Straw-clutching there I think, Mr. Observer. If I recall the correctly the Honda bloke said that the increased investment in Swindon was their plan before the Referendum and remains their plan after it.
You will run your business as you think best, obviously, but not every other business seems to agree with your view.
Mr. HYUFD, between UKIP, the Lib Dems and Communism, there's a huge centre ground upon which the Conservatives can frolic. If they can resist the urge to engage in backbiting and internal warfare.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
If, as I expect, May agrees Brexit and immigration controls based on a job offer being needed to come to the UK for some form of single market access that will not be enough for the most hardcore Leavers. I could see election 2020 giving a result something like Tory 35% Labour 28% UKIP 18% LD 10% as a result. That would see UKIP gain 3 seats from the Tories, Thurrock, Thanet South and Boston and maybe Hartlepool from Labour, giving them 5 seats if they hold Clacton http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/ukip
OK, I promise I'll not mention this on this site again. TM can agree whatever sort of restrictions on people coming into the UK she likes, but unless there is an efficient mechanism for removing those that have entered or remained against those new rules it will not make a happenth of differnece.
From memory there were a bit less than 13,000 removals last year.
Those already in the UK will certainly not be evicted short of committing a crime so that may provide a further boost for UKIP amongst the minority who want them to be removed
I sincerely hope this lady is wrong otherwise I fear the effects on the younger generation are going to be horrendous and, long-term, the social and economic effects are going to be even worse.
Possibly, Mr. Star, but the lady has been a Deputy Governor of the Bank of England and is about to go and lead the LSE where she will be responsible for training a whole new generation of economists.
What else to expect from someone who has only ever worked in government bodies, the World Bank, DFID, IMF etc.
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Like Honda?
Yep.
But Honda announced big new investment in their UK plant just a week or so ago.
Great news! We'll see how it pans out if we leave the single market.
I understand the concern, but it seems very strange that - given the uncertainty that naturally arises from the Brexit decision - a large and competently run corporation would be willing to make major capital investments in UK manufacturing plants, UNLESS one of the following circumstances were applicable:
1. They think the advantages of building here already outweigh any likely disadvantages from a hard Brexit, or... 2. The Government has already given secret assurances of further assistance post-Brexit, possibly in the form of significant tax breaks
The weakness of the Opposition certainly gives the Government considerable latitude to modify its economic policies whilst minimising the risk of electoral fallout. Lower business taxation could readily be financed by additional borrowing and/or public spending cuts.
I think we are heading back to the area of a Hillary landslide victory.
Hillary has already reached her all time high of 47% on my average daily tracking poll, Trump is still at around 43.5% but the debate plus the Miss Universe controversy will probably beat him back down to 40 where he was in early August.
Trump had a chance to become President, but no, he never wanted to prepare for the debate and he had to attack random people.
Even a 3 or 4 point Clinton lead, which is what the latest polls show, is in no way a landslide. Remember too Remain had a 4 point lead in many of the final EU ref polls
But who are going to be the little old ladies who swung it for Leave?
I think we are heading back to the area of a Hillary landslide victory.
Hillary has already reached her all time high of 47% on my average daily tracking poll, Trump is still at around 43.5% but the debate plus the Miss Universe controversy will probably beat him back down to 40 where he was in early August.
Trump had a chance to become President, but no, he never wanted to prepare for the debate and he had to attack random people.
Even a 3 or 4 point Clinton lead, which is what the latest polls show, is in no way a landslide. Remember too Remain had a 4 point lead in many of the final EU ref polls
10% lead with the wonderful Populus. Very popular it was at number 10 until 2am...
so, 4 point swing in the two polls so far. could be a more significant bump than i thought
I know Americans do it differently (and your comment proves you're American) - but here in the UK we actually look at half the change, since if we had 100 voters , 52 vote Clinton and 48 vote trump and 2 change their vote then we have 54 Clinton and 46 Trump - so the swing is 2 voters out of 100 although the difference is 4.
''Obviously, morons like the Three Amigos do not understand this, or do not think it is important, but I imagine it is keeping both the PM and the CoE up at night with worry. ''
This has been threatened from day one, and yet the number of companies doing it after three months has been precisely zero, whilst at the same time the UK gets vote of confidence after vote of confidence from companies like Aldi and Apple.
That's because we are still a part of the single market and may remain a part of it, to all intents and purposes.
It will make no difference to companies that want to sell to the UK market or which already have offices inside the single market. It's the companies that use the UK as their base for sales into the single market that will be watching and waiting.
Like Honda?
Yep.
But Honda announced big new investment in their UK plant just a week or so ago.
Ah but was that before we have actually left the EU so may not count in the post 23rd June Project Fear batshitcrazy statements?
Trump's lucky he has two more goes. We now have a baseline for how Trump and Clinton interact together on the same stage. Hillary was clearly on top of her game last time whereas he has room for improvement so the narrative could play to his advantage.
Big mistake, the first debate always gets the biggest audience, even if Trump gets a win in the other two he will gain less than what Hillary got in the first one.
Trump should listen to his lawyers, after all Hillary is a lawyer, he also needs acting lessons big time.
It's no coincidence that Lawyers (every President since WW2 except Eisenhower and Reagan was a lawyer) and Actors (like Reagan) are most succesful in politics, it's their vocation to deceive people whether it's the audience or the jury.
Truman not a lawyer Bush I not a lawyer Bush II not a lawyer Carter not a lawyer LBJ not a lawyer Could you please stop commenting on American politics, it embarrasses the site.
JFK not a lawyer
So, to recap, 12 US presidents since WWII - 4 lawyers, 8 non-lawyers
Speedy was talking about success. Carter and Bush 1 were both 1 termers. Sad. Bush 2 had to rely on lawyers to secure the Election for him so laywer by proxy.
JFK, well, I don't think anyone would want their presidency to end that way.
I have to say Speedy's thesis looks sound.
No, he didn't caveat the statement:
"... that Lawyers (every President since WW2 except Eisenhower and Reagan was a lawyer)..."
I think we are heading back to the area of a Hillary landslide victory.
Hillary has already reached her all time high of 47% on my average daily tracking poll, Trump is still at around 43.5% but the debate plus the Miss Universe controversy will probably beat him back down to 40 where he was in early August.
Trump had a chance to become President, but no, he never wanted to prepare for the debate and he had to attack random people.
Even a 3 or 4 point Clinton lead, which is what the latest polls show, is in no way a landslide. Remember too Remain had a 4 point lead in many of the final EU ref polls
But who are going to be the little old ladies who swung it for Leave?
It was the white working class who swung it for Leave by turning out, little old ladies were already for Leave and always turn out to vote
I think we are heading back to the area of a Hillary landslide victory.
Hillary has already reached her all time high of 47% on my average daily tracking poll, Trump is still at around 43.5% but the debate plus the Miss Universe controversy will probably beat him back down to 40 where he was in early August.
Trump had a chance to become President, but no, he never wanted to prepare for the debate and he had to attack random people.
Even a 3 or 4 point Clinton lead, which is what the latest polls show, is in no way a landslide. Remember too Remain had a 4 point lead in many of the final EU ref polls
10% lead with the wonderful Populus. Very popular it was at number 10 until 2am...
Indeed and Farage even mentioned it at the Trump rally
Mr. HYUFD, between UKIP, the Lib Dems and Communism, there's a huge centre ground upon which the Conservatives can frolic. If they can resist the urge to engage in backbiting and internal warfare.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
If, as I expect, May agrees Brexit and immigration controls based on a job offer being needed to come to the UK for some form of single market access that will not be enough for the most hardcore Leavers. I could see election 2020 giving a result something like Tory 35% Labour 28% UKIP 18% LD 10% as a result. That would see UKIP gain 3 seats from the Tories, Thurrock, Thanet South and Boston and maybe Hartlepool from Labour, giving them 5 seats if they hold Clacton http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/ukip
OK, I promise I'll not mention this on this site again. TM can agree whatever sort of restrictions on people coming into the UK she likes, but unless there is an efficient mechanism for removing those that have entered or remained against those new rules it will not make a happenth of differnece.
From memory there were a bit less than 13,000 removals last year.
There were a number of voluntary removals too, and most likely a fair number also moved on but are not recorded due to our lack of exit checks.
The first thing we need to reinstate exit checks. Many illegals are overstayers. Something that could have been introduced at any point in Mrs May's 6 years at the Home Office.
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Okay, nice and simple for you.
Sarkozy isn't in a position to offer anyone anything until and unless he is elected French President next year. We won't be able to wait until then to instigate the A50 process so while his proposal might be picked up by someone else, the truth is we are seeking to leave and voted to leave. The June 23rd vote was NOT a negotiating tactic to get a better treaty - it was clear and unmistakable vote to be rid of the whole enterprise.
His treaty might be the basis of a future admission by a future Government to rejoin the EU but it hasn't much value apart from getting one or two people on here quite excited.
Clinton 47
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Clinton 44
Trump 39
Johnson 7
Stein 3
McMullin 2
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Congress overturning the veto will not end well for the USA or anyone else.
May's shifted somewhat leftward already. With more votes from Labour up for grabs, a sizeable right flank might open up for UKIP. Mind you, they had a very nice strategic position in 2015 and achieved a grand total of one seat.
Bush I not a lawyer
Bush II not a lawyer
Carter not a lawyer
LBJ not a lawyer
Could you please stop commenting on American politics, it embarrasses the site.
Clinton 42
Trump 41
Johnson 3
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Looks like Trump -2, Clinton +2
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/ukip
So, to recap, 12 US presidents since WWII - 4 lawyers, 8 non-lawyers
I think your prediction on how the negotiations may go is one of the more likely possibilities.
Mr. D, thanks for that answer.
So... why didn't Obama just do that? Incompetence?
I don't think that they'll get very far trying to win Commons seats off the Tories. The Ukip party hierarchy has already suffered high profile defections (back to) the Tories, who will be working hard to marginalise Ukip and unite the Right, and the appetite for a populist party with some borrowed Old Labour clothes in its wardrobe will be finite amongst the pragmatic middle classes.
I wonder, can the Administration take the issue to the Supreme Court on constitutional grounds?
On the other hand, big majorities fell beneath the SNP tsunami.
Politics has been very turbulent ever since Brown's bottled 2007 election. In under a decade we've gone from a Labour Party with a comfortable majority to it being led by Corbyn, potentially over a cliff. Labour's Scottish bastion has become mostly SNP, and we're (perhaps) leaving the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_veto
From memory there were a bit less than 13,000 removals last year.
Ukip are a minor party that have yet to demonstrate that they can break through a relatively low ceiling of support, save for in European elections which are also exceptional.
JFK, well, I don't think anyone would want their presidency to end that way.
I have to say Speedy's thesis looks sound.
You will run your business as you think best, obviously, but not every other business seems to agree with your view.
Would Pakistani, Afghan etc families sue the US for drone strikes?
https://www.twitter.com/BBCSport/status/781176129986109441
1. They think the advantages of building here already outweigh any likely disadvantages from a hard Brexit, or...
2. The Government has already given secret assurances of further assistance post-Brexit, possibly in the form of significant tax breaks
The weakness of the Opposition certainly gives the Government considerable latitude to modify its economic policies whilst minimising the risk of electoral fallout. Lower business taxation could readily be financed by additional borrowing and/or public spending cuts.
"... that Lawyers (every President since WW2 except Eisenhower and Reagan was a lawyer)..."
The first thing we need to reinstate exit checks. Many illegals are overstayers. Something that could have been introduced at any point in Mrs May's 6 years at the Home Office.