We know what Jezza first thinks of when he sees that picture...the disgraceful promotion of sugary products...
Some more sugary than others...
It takes a special kind of prissy to make a political statement on your favourite biscuit.
Garibaldi was perfectly OK with it!
(I'll get me coat...)
No need to dash off, Doc. The Frogs were perfectly happy with the Bourbon biscuit, though I have never been served with on whilst over there, and of course the Anglo-German royalty gave us Battenberg cake (later renamed MountBatten). I am sure there are other examples.
And who is she? What has she done to be photographed holding an item of confectionery with HRC? On whose behalf was that photo released, Trump or Clinton?
An actress. She was in Kick Ass.
Now "walking out" with Brooklyn Beckham.
What does "walking out" mean? It sounds like a stupid Hollywood phrase such as "conscious uncoupling".
Dating. Old English phrase - when good girls would go for an (unchaperoned) walk with their chosen partner.
We know what Jezza first thinks of when he sees that picture...the disgraceful promotion of sugary products...
Some more sugary than others...
It takes a special kind of prissy to make a political statement on your favourite biscuit.
Garibaldi was perfectly OK with it!
(I'll get me coat...)
No need to dash off, Doc. The Frogs were perfectly happy with the Bourbon biscuit, though I have never been served with on whilst over there, and of course the Anglo-German royalty gave us Battenberg cake (later renamed MountBatten). I am sure there are other examples.
Battenberg is a most ladylike cake - you can nibble/peel off the marzipan, break up to squares - it's perfect. Victoria sponge is just messy.
Rasmussen: Trump leads Clinton by 5 points nationally
The Republican presidential nominee edges Clinton 44 percent to 39 percent among likely voters nationwide in a four-way race against Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson (8 percent) and Green Party candidate Jill Stein (2 percent).
Mogg, Kendall, Lamb, Lucas, Brewer on Question Time.
4 Tories and a Green?
"Mogg, Kendall, Lamb, Lucas, Brewer on Question Time." 2 for LEAVE and 3 for REMAIN. BBC idea of balance. Still, last week was 1 LEAVE and 4 REMAIN.
I don't have a problem with 1 leave and 4 remainers if it's with a view from getting away from analyzing everything through the prism of the referendum. Of course, we all know that 4 leavers and 1 remainer would never happen on QT!
A new rival to Andy Burnham http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/ 25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“. 22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.
A new rival to Andy Burnham http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/ 25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“. 22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.
It is not two faced; just accepting the will of the British people and the new landscape.
We'll know in just over four weeks but it's vital for the LDs or another party to establish themselves clearly and credibly as the main alternative to squeeze out the other parties.
Labour has a problem in Witney: they aren't going to get the left-wing vote.
Two reasons. First, the Labour candidate is very publicly anti-Corbyn (and I mean very - he hasn't tweeted about anything else all summer). So the Corbynites won't vote for him, and floating voters will show their usual disdain for divided parties - it's going to be difficult for Labour to appear healed and united with a candidate who has repeatedly criticised their leader.
Second, the Greens look likely to choose a candidate (tonight) with significant appeal to anti-establishment voters, quite possibly bolstered by celebrity backing.
So Labour will be bereft of their usual bedrock and be reduced to scrapping for the centre with the LibDems; and my sense is that the LibDems are much keener on fighting this than Labour is. Labour's candidate is good, but I can't see him holding on to 2nd.
http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/ 25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“. 22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.'
A new rival to Andy Burnham http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/ 25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“. 22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.
Given similar statements by others (e.g. Emma Reynolds) in recent days, it appears to be part of a trend, perhaps marking a clear change of stance by his wing of Labour on open door EU immigration. Excellent news as far as I'm concerned.
A new rival to Andy Burnham http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/ 25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“. 22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.
It is not two faced; just accepting the will of the British people and the new landscape.
People have had enough of weathervane politicians.
Democracy functions much better when politicians have convictions and the people can chose whose convictions they agree with at a given moment, otherwise you just have an elected bureaucracy.
And who is she? What has she done to be photographed holding an item of confectionery with HRC? On whose behalf was that photo released, Trump or Clinton?
An actress. She was in Kick Ass.
Now "walking out" with Brooklyn Beckham.
What does "walking out" mean? It sounds like a stupid Hollywood phrase such as "conscious uncoupling".
Dating. Old English phrase - when good girls would go for an (unchaperoned) walk with their chosen partner.
And possibly discuss country matters.
Uganda is a country. So they could discuss ugandan matters.
‘The Tonight Show’ gets a bigger audience because most people aren’t looking for the self-righteous mirth of slamming those stupid Republicans right before bed. Most would rather just have a chuckle. But as the backlash against Fallon shows, that apolitical style of comedy is not only becoming rare, it is being openly attacked as insufficiently politically militant.
We'll know in just over four weeks but it's vital for the LDs or another party to establish themselves clearly and credibly as the main alternative to squeeze out the other parties.
Labour has a problem in Witney: they aren't going to get the left-wing vote.
Two reasons. First, the Labour candidate is very publicly anti-Corbyn (and I mean very - he hasn't tweeted about anything else all summer). So the Corbynites won't vote for him, and floating voters will show their usual disdain for divided parties - it's going to be difficult for Labour to appear healed and united with a candidate who has repeatedly criticised their leader.
Second, the Greens look likely to choose a candidate (tonight) with significant appeal to anti-establishment voters, quite possibly bolstered by celebrity backing.
So Labour will be bereft of their usual bedrock and be reduced to scrapping for the centre with the LibDems; and my sense is that the LibDems are much keener on fighting this than Labour is. Labour's candidate is good, but I can't see him holding on to 2nd.
Oh, a bit of a tease: who is the Green who has celeb backing?
Ive been lurking for the last 6 weeks in the hope that the Remainers would get it out of their system and stop boring us all to death
So you knew the answer to your question before posting? And you still came back!
No, I think for the most part, people are accepting the fact with more grace and wanting to make the best Brexit possible. However, as usual, we still manage to disagree as to what that is.
'On the face of it Cameron majority from GE2015 is so large that shouldn’t impact on the outcome – but who knows?'
Looks like this forum is entering the Twilight Zone. The Tories failing to hold Witney is about as likely as Corbyn failing to be elected leader again.
We know what Jezza first thinks of when he sees that picture...the disgraceful promotion of sugary products...
Some more sugary than others...
It takes a special kind of prissy to make a political statement on your favourite biscuit.
Garibaldi was perfectly OK with it!
(I'll get me coat...)
No need to dash off, Doc. The Frogs were perfectly happy with the Bourbon biscuit, though I have never been served with on whilst over there, and of course the Anglo-German royalty gave us Battenberg cake (later renamed MountBatten). I am sure there are other examples.
Battenberg is a most ladylike cake - you can nibble/peel off the marzipan, break up to squares - it's perfect. Victoria sponge is just messy.
A lady nibbling off the marzipan! Dear God! I think I am going have to go and bathe my wrists with cold water and lie down in a darkened room
'On the face of it Cameron majority from GE2015 is so large that shouldn’t impact on the outcome – but who knows?'
Looks like this forum is entering the Twilight Zone. The Tories failing to hold Witney is about as likely as Corbyn failing to be elected leader again.
Ive been lurking for the last 6 weeks in the hope that the Remainers would get it out of their system and stop boring us all to death
So you knew the answer to your question before posting? And you still came back!
No, I think for the most part, people are accepting the fact with more grace and wanting to make the best Brexit possible. However, as usual, we still manage to disagree as to what that is.
He's a sensible chap, and couldn't resist the lure of posting on PB for a day longer.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Please advise me. For those of us that consider that the conduct of the Government of Israel towards the majority of the population living within the borders it continues to effectively control has been repugnant, at least in the period since the rejection of the Oslo peace accord, is there any way of expressing that repugnance here without causing you to parrot the charge of "antisemitism" so routinely made by the Government of Israel to try and hide its shortcomings?
‘The Tonight Show’ gets a bigger audience because most people aren’t looking for the self-righteous mirth of slamming those stupid Republicans right before bed. Most would rather just have a chuckle. But as the backlash against Fallon shows, that apolitical style of comedy is not only becoming rare, it is being openly attacked as insufficiently politically militant.
Nothing more true than this: "When we are told our religious beliefs, politics, and worldviews aren’t acceptable in decent discourse, it pisses us off"
And Hillary follows this up with her comment that "I think I can speak directly to white people to say 'This is not who we are"' i.e. to fall directly into Trump's anti-PC trap. You don't have to be racist or 'intersectional' or whatever that horrid new word was yesterday to be pissed of by Hillary telling you who you are not.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want.
Such a silly statement as it assumes that there is just one type of Leaver. Some of us Leavers are very clear as to what we want and have been since before the vote.
We even know what range of Brexit options we'd be ok with.
Clinton 44% (-4 since mid-Aug) Trump 37% (+5) Johnson 8% (-) Stein 1% (-2)
2-WAY
Clinton 51% (-4) Trump 40% (+4)
Key trend: Clinton's PA-CO-VA firewall remains even as she slips elsewhere. If that holds, Trump needs a state like WI or NH to hit 270.
VA is one Trump won't win, is trending solidly Democrat perhaps more so than any other state.
It's all the government employees in NoVa and the military's nervousness about Trump in both NoVa and Tidewater.
While I agree that Va is trending Dem, don't forget they almost lost the gubernatorial vote in 2013 in a squeaker, with a no-name GOPer ahead against a national name Dem (McAuliffe) until the very last of the NoVa districts came in. Final result Dem 47.75%. GOP 45.23%, Libertarian 6.52%. With a good GOP candidate that pulls in the libertarian vote, this state is still winnable for the GOP, if an uphill battle.
Not much of an egghead if he didn't realise that confessing to murder in a book wasn't going to have consequences.
Maybe it has haunted him for years and doing that meant he could sleep at night again?
Is there anything you'd like to confess Paul?
Yes Ive just subjected my fellow train passengers on this very crowded train to an appalling but silent nasal attack, and everyone is now looking at everyone else accuzingly
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
A new rival to Andy Burnham http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/ 25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“. 22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.
It is not two faced; just accepting the will of the British people and the new landscape.
People have had enough of weathervane politicians.
Democracy functions much better when politicians have convictions and the people can chose whose convictions they agree with at a given moment, otherwise you just have an elected bureaucracy.
His mistake was what he said in April. Without that his August comments would be unremarkable.
And who is she? What has she done to be photographed holding an item of confectionery with HRC? On whose behalf was that photo released, Trump or Clinton?
An actress. She was in Kick Ass.
Now "walking out" with Brooklyn Beckham.
What does "walking out" mean? It sounds like a stupid Hollywood phrase such as "conscious uncoupling".
Dating. Old English phrase - when good girls would go for an (unchaperoned) walk with their chosen partner.
And possibly discuss country matters.
Uganda is a country. So they could discuss ugandan matters.
Discussing Ugandan Constitutional Matters might raise the odd eyebrow though
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Great Britain would be brilliant if it could be separated from the rest of the world but can we please leave the Corbynista's, the Blairites, the Cameroons and the Remainers and Libdems behind somewhere in the North of France, then it would be heaven
Oh, a bit of a tease: who is the Green who has celeb backing?
Larry Sanders - Bernie's brother. Bernie is rumoured to be in the UK anyway during the campaign and considering making an appearance for Larry.
For your average voter, Bernie is clearly not a celebrity with the impact of, ooh, Mary Berry. But for Corbynistas he certainly is. Given the choice between voting for Bernie Sanders' brother or for a Labour candidate who loathes Corbyn, I think the leftwingers will go Green. TBH I'd go to a Bernie rally in Witney just to see what the fuss is about, even though I'm certainly not voting that way.
Of course, the Greens may select someone else tonight.
We'll know in just over four weeks but it's vital for the LDs or another party to establish themselves clearly and credibly as the main alternative to squeeze out the other parties.
Labour has a problem in Witney: they aren't going to get the left-wing vote.
Two reasons. First, the Labour candidate is very publicly anti-Corbyn (and I mean very - he hasn't tweeted about anything else all summer). So the Corbynites won't vote for him, and floating voters will show their usual disdain for divided parties - it's going to be difficult for Labour to appear healed and united with a candidate who has repeatedly criticised their leader.
Second, the Greens look likely to choose a candidate (tonight) with significant appeal to anti-establishment voters, quite possibly bolstered by celebrity backing.
So Labour will be bereft of their usual bedrock and be reduced to scrapping for the centre with the LibDems; and my sense is that the LibDems are much keener on fighting this than Labour is. Labour's candidate is good, but I can't see him holding on to 2nd.
Oh, a bit of a tease: who is the Green who has celeb backing?
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
Clinton 44% (-4 since mid-Aug) Trump 37% (+5) Johnson 8% (-) Stein 1% (-2)
2-WAY
Clinton 51% (-4) Trump 40% (+4)
Key trend: Clinton's PA-CO-VA firewall remains even as she slips elsewhere. If that holds, Trump needs a state like WI or NH to hit 270.
She's not 'slipping' elsewhere. Her numbers have *improved* this week, slightly but significantly. Trump may yet win but nevertheless you are wrong to say she's slipping!
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
Wow... If that doesn't smack of desperation I don't know what does.
Who was responsible for putting her with that bigoted man? Must be Sue...
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
Wow... If that doesn't smack of desperation I don't know what does.
Who was responsible for putting her with that bigoted man? Must be Sue...
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Great Britain would be brilliant if it could be separated from the rest of the world but can we please leave the Corbynista's, the Blairites, the Cameroons and the Remainers and Libdems behind somewhere in the North of France, then it would be heaven
Yes it's been clear for sometime that a number of hard Brexit extremists want to cut the UK off from the rest of the world, and indeed anyone else who doesn't share their close-minded worldview
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Oh, a bit of a tease: who is the Green who has celeb backing?
Larry Sanders - Bernie's brother. Bernie is rumoured to be in the UK anyway during the campaign and considering making an appearance for Larry.
For your average voter, Bernie is clearly not a celebrity with the impact of, ooh, Mary Berry. But for Corbynistas he certainly is. Given the choice between voting for Bernie Sanders' brother or for a Labour candidate who loathes Corbyn, I think the leftwingers will go Green. TBH I'd go to a Bernie rally in Witney just to see what the fuss is about, even though I'm certainly not voting that way.
Of course, the Greens may select someone else tonight.
How many Corbynista are there in the lanes and by-ways of Witney?
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
Wow... If that doesn't smack of desperation I don't know what does.
Who was responsible for putting her with that bigoted man? Must be Sue...
Hillary's deadpanning of Galifianakis has actually gone down quite well in the States. Clearly it will be considered a disaster for her on here, but then so too does the Pope reject protestantism.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
I suspect the three Brexiteers are getting carried away with their own dreams of a return to some kind of fantasy, buccaneering, mercantile, victorian england. Luckily I suspect the Treasury will intervene before too long and get things back to reality.
If you're attacking Brighton with a pre-emptive pier strike, I suppose so.
well you cant exactly blame Hammond for MOD cock ups made under Gordon Brown
So what was Hammond doing during his time there, apart from agitating to send more of our painfully overstretched forces into the Middle East, because, dictators and stuff...
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
Exactly, if you're not prepared to walk away then you're not going to be taken seriously or get a good negotiation. I've said all along ironically the best way to long term remain in the Single Market (EEA-style) is to be prepared to leave it, so we finally get taken more seriously than just an opt-out of something and get reform we can live with.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
@rottenborough I doubt it. The politicians on both sides of the negotiation are too inept, too divided, too uncertain of their ultimate aims and unable to lead their electorates to anything resembling a compromise. So hard Brexit is my default expectation.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
I suspect the three Brexiteers are getting carried away with their own dreams of a return to some kind of fantasy, buccaneering, mercantile, victorian england. Luckily I suspect the Treasury will intervene before too long and get things back to reality.
Yes, imagine having an enterprise culture - the ridiculousness of it!
If you're attacking Brighton with a pre-emptive pier strike, I suppose so.
well you cant exactly blame Hammond for MOD cock ups made under Gordon Brown
So what was Hammond doing during his time there, apart from agitating to send more of our painfully overstretched forces into the Middle East, because, dictators and stuff...
A decision for the PM, not the Defence Minister, surely?
If you're attacking Brighton with a pre-emptive pier strike, I suppose so.
well you cant exactly blame Hammond for MOD cock ups made under Gordon Brown
So what was Hammond doing during his time there, apart from agitating to send more of our painfully overstretched forces into the Middle East, because, dictators and stuff...
Yeah, he should have rolled up his sleeves and hammered in a few rivets on his own.
If you're attacking Brighton with a pre-emptive pier strike, I suppose so.
well you cant exactly blame Hammond for MOD cock ups made under Gordon Brown
So what was Hammond doing during his time there, apart from agitating to send more of our painfully overstretched forces into the Middle East, because, dictators and stuff...
Yeah, he should have rolled up his sleeves and hammered in a few rivets on his own.
-_-
Come on. Have you ever known Hammond to be riveting?
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
Wow... If that doesn't smack of desperation I don't know what does.
Who was responsible for putting her with that bigoted man? Must be Sue...
Seems odd. What is to be gained?
Young voters are currently disproportionately favouring 3rd party candidates, 3rd party candidates usually drop off in support later in the race. Clinton's looking to hoover them up.
As far as I can see, Leavers remain quite clueless about what they want. Having wanted out of the EU, believing that a favourable deal could be effortlessly negotiated, they now rush towards as hard a Brexit as possible. In six months' time they will doubtless be agitating to leave the UN. In six months after that, they will be investigating how to physically separate the island of Great Britain from the rest of planet earth. Meanwhile, Remainers will be blamed for the resultant tectonic effects.
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
More fool them?
Or more fool us?
MAD = Mutually Assured Deindustrialisation
Very good. The Brexiters insistence that they're ready for hard Brexit is a bit like Kim Jong-un's insistence that he's ready for nuclear war.
Ive just seen that arch blairite Chuka Umuna has said he would sacrifice single market to end free movement. Labour finally waking up and smelling the coffee (or smelling the Earl Grey tea I guess, in this post brexit world). Smart overall but will come at a price too, if LDs can drop 2nd ref stuff and present themselves as the only party fighting for single market/EEA.
Hard brexit nailed on now I guess, if Tories and Labour unite on it.
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
Wow... If that doesn't smack of desperation I don't know what does.
Who was responsible for putting her with that bigoted man? Must be Sue...
Reminiscent of EdM's exquisite encounter with Brand.
@Alanbrooke He's doing ok at present, though it's a long long road ahead. His mental progress is extraordinary. He remains physically very weak.
That's great news. My wife's grandmother had a similar issue a few years back: it's the mental capacity that is the most important (the time to worry is when it starts to plateau). The physical will come with time.
Mrs Clinton was interviewed by Zach Galifianakis. It makes for extremely awkward viewing. I don't think Clinton has any form of charisma, a sense of humour, warmth, etc.
Wow... If that doesn't smack of desperation I don't know what does.
Who was responsible for putting her with that bigoted man? Must be Sue...
Hillary's deadpanning of Galifianakis has actually gone down quite well in the States. Clearly it will be considered a disaster for her on here, but then so too does the Pope reject protestantism.
My problem is with Galifianakis who seems to be a very, very poor man's dame edna everage.
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2 for LEAVE and 3 for REMAIN. BBC idea of balance. Still, last week was 1 LEAVE and 4 REMAIN.
FYI - My new pic is not of any naked lady in a fur, but is of a politician who had an interesting life. Someone I once negotiated with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/María_Julia_Alsogaray
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/
The Republican presidential nominee edges Clinton 44 percent to 39 percent among likely voters nationwide in a four-way race against Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson (8 percent) and Green Party candidate Jill Stein (2 percent).
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2602549/
http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/
25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“.
22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.
Anyway, must be off for a bit.
Two reasons. First, the Labour candidate is very publicly anti-Corbyn (and I mean very - he hasn't tweeted about anything else all summer). So the Corbynites won't vote for him, and floating voters will show their usual disdain for divided parties - it's going to be difficult for Labour to appear healed and united with a candidate who has repeatedly criticised their leader.
Second, the Greens look likely to choose a candidate (tonight) with significant appeal to anti-establishment voters, quite possibly bolstered by celebrity backing.
So Labour will be bereft of their usual bedrock and be reduced to scrapping for the centre with the LibDems; and my sense is that the LibDems are much keener on fighting this than Labour is. Labour's candidate is good, but I can't see him holding on to 2nd.
Virginia poll — Roanoke
Clinton 44% (-4 since mid-Aug)
Trump 37% (+5)
Johnson 8% (-)
Stein 1% (-2)
2-WAY
Clinton 51% (-4)
Trump 40% (+4)
Key trend: Clinton's PA-CO-VA firewall remains even as she slips elsewhere. If that holds, Trump needs a state like WI or NH to hit 270.
'A new rival to Andy Burnham
http://order-order.com/2016/09/22/chuka/
25 April: Chuka Umunna tweets the above image attacking the Leave campaign for wanting to quit the single market. He posed alongside the word “seriously“.
22 August: Chuka Umunna tells HuffPo we should be prepared to quit the single market in order to secure control of borders.'
Could it be a mix up with Chuka Harrison ?
Democracy functions much better when politicians have convictions and the people can chose whose convictions they agree with at a given moment, otherwise you just have an elected bureaucracy.
Have the remainers stopped sulking ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/22/jeremy-corbyn-not-unpopular-but-divisive
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/22/replace-culture-politics-turn-sour/
‘The Tonight Show’ gets a bigger audience because most people aren’t looking for the self-righteous mirth of slamming those stupid Republicans right before bed. Most would rather just have a chuckle. But as the backlash against Fallon shows, that apolitical style of comedy is not only becoming rare, it is being openly attacked as insufficiently politically militant.
No, I think for the most part, people are accepting the fact with more grace and wanting to make the best Brexit possible. However, as usual, we still manage to disagree as to what that is.
Has anyone said George is crap recently ?
Looks like this forum is entering the Twilight Zone. The Tories failing to hold Witney is about as likely as Corbyn failing to be elected leader again.
And Hillary follows this up with her comment that "I think I can speak directly to white people to say 'This is not who we are"' i.e. to fall directly into Trump's anti-PC trap. You don't have to be racist or 'intersectional' or whatever that horrid new word was yesterday to be pissed of by Hillary telling you who you are not.
2 good friends of mine are still livid I voted out. It would be less confrontational if I'd shagged their missus in front of them.
Their main beef appears to be they called it wrong and cant understand why.
hows the other half ?
Whilst shagging their missus in front of them.
We even know what range of Brexit options we'd be ok with.
As for Hammond being grey, as long as he can count I dont care what coiour he is.
While I agree that Va is trending Dem, don't forget they almost lost the gubernatorial vote in 2013 in a squeaker, with a no-name GOPer ahead against a national name Dem (McAuliffe) until the very last of the NoVa districts came in. Final result Dem 47.75%. GOP 45.23%, Libertarian 6.52%. With a good GOP candidate that pulls in the libertarian vote, this state is still winnable for the GOP, if an uphill battle.
Yes Ive just subjected my fellow train passengers on this very crowded train to an appalling but silent nasal attack, and everyone is now looking at everyone else accuzingly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrkPe-9rM1Q
best wishes for a full recovery
For your average voter, Bernie is clearly not a celebrity with the impact of, ooh, Mary Berry. But for Corbynistas he certainly is. Given the choice between voting for Bernie Sanders' brother or for a Labour candidate who loathes Corbyn, I think the leftwingers will go Green. TBH I'd go to a Bernie rally in Witney just to see what the fuss is about, even though I'm certainly not voting that way.
Of course, the Greens may select someone else tonight.
job done
Who was responsible for putting her with that bigoted man? Must be Sue...
http://www.smmt.co.uk/2016/09/uk-car-manufacturing-achieves-14-year-high-in-august-as-exports-drive-demand/
Yes it's not clear to me why and when hard Brexit became the favoured outcome for Leavers and indeed the nation at large. Yet sadly that does seem to now be the case. Leave everything, keep nothing. Piss off into the wilderness.
HMS QE is due for commissioning next year. So you could argue that we have more planes than carriers.
(This is not a defence of the carrier program, which has been a hideously mismanaged project from inception).
Hard Brexit is not the preferred option. It's an option that has to be on the table, so that the EU know we are serious.
If the EU want to do this the hard way, then more fool them, but we have to be prepared to accept it.
Or more fool us?
Them. Definitely.
-_-
Come on. Have you ever known Hammond to be riveting?
#NEW #Florida @Suffolk_U Poll:
Trump 45 (+1)
Clinton 44
Johnson 3
A 7 point shift toward Trump in 6 weeks
https://t.co/WDtnt2MOYE
http://www.totalpolitics.com/articles/opinion/david-herdson-corbyn-and-mcdonnell-are-missing-trick
Hard brexit nailed on now I guess, if Tories and Labour unite on it.