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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,018
    First!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,018
    LD bar chart territory for 65+
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    I'm 99 % sure I just posted :/
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    Anyway, remind me who gets out and votes. Justin124 should be able to do that.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Golly, over 65s isn't exactly Twin Towers...
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    Best PM with 16-24s? – Unless on-line voting arrives before 2020, Jeremy is buggered.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971
    Today's kids don't remember the '70s and '80s Labour Party Corbyn wants to go back to.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971
    edited September 2016
    Also note the sizes of the groups, 6 years, 25 years, 15 years, 15 yerars to age 80.
    If they used even 18-34 and 35-49 ranges they wouldn't get their majority for the socialist in the youngest group.

    A bar chart to make the Lib Dems proud.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,211
    Thanks to Mr Meeks for the article on the Harris Academies. I wish my Year 11 maths class had only 20 in it. I've been wondering, is there any reason to have catchment areas in London? Given how fantastic public transport is in the capital, why not allow the children of London to apply to any school they like? So if these Harris schools are doing really well, why shouldn't a kid from somewhere further afield have the chance to go there? And if parents want their kids to be able to go to a local school, then move to an area where schools are under subscribed.
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    You could probably argue that a lot of 18-24 year olds don't really remember the last Labour government ...
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    You could probably argue that a lot of 18-24 year olds don't really remember the last Labour government ...

    Or the mess the Tories bequeathed to Labour in March 1974 and October 1964!
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Well at least Corbyn now knows who to target.
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    justin124 said:

    You could probably argue that a lot of 18-24 year olds don't really remember the last Labour government ...

    Or the mess the Tories bequeathed to Labour in March 1974 and October 1964!
    Hahahahahaha.

    No.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Stig Abell
    I love the fact that Hillary Clinton ended her rally with "I feel good" by James Brown. Who died of pneumonia.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Stig Abell
    I love the fact that Hillary Clinton ended her rally with "I feel good" by James Brown. Who died of pneumonia.

    :lol:
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/eu-s-tusk-says-theresa-may-told-him-article-50-likely-triggered-early-next-year

    European Union President Donald Tusk told reporters that British Prime Minister Theresa May "declared it was almost impossible to trigger Article 50 this year but it's quite likely they will be ready in January or February next year."
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Yes, wins with those who do not vote, and loses massively with those who do vote. I am one who does vote, and JC does not appeal to me. Just reminded me, I will post a JC joke next,if I can find it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited September 2016
    Diane James warns May and the Tories "cannot be trusted with true Brexit".
    "The threats to the referendum outcome are increasing by the day," she said, adding she would reject "Brexit-lite".

    She told the UKIP conference "Yes to a 100% European Union exit. Can I be any clearer? Yes to a sovereign independent UK. Yes to a UK free to make trade deals with whoever and whenever we want and yes to an immigration policy that allows entry regardless of origin to those with the skills and the expertise and the social values that this country wants."

    There was an ominous threat to Corbyn too "If you're watching this afternoon, you'll be watching the opposition party in waiting."

    She concluded "Mrs May: from one grammar school girl to another, stop the faff, stop the fudge and the farce, get on with it - invoke Article 50 and give UKIP the best Christmas present we could ever have."

    Her win was also a boost for the Farage-Woolfe faction and a defeat for the Carswell-Evans backed Lisa Duffy. Soon after Carswell's allotted time to speak to the conference was cut and Neil Hamilton was replaced on Saturday's rota of speakers by Nathan Gill who he ousted
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37387162
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    As promised, a Corbyn joke.
    A Little Johnny story
    Mr Corbyn was visiting a London Primary school and the class was in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings.

    The teacher asked Mr Corbyn if he would like to lead the discussion on the word “Tragedy”. So the illustrious leader asked the class for an example of “Tragedy”.

    A little boy stood up and offered “If my best friend, who lives on a farm, is playing in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills him, that would be a tragedy”.

    “Incorrect” said Corbyn. “That would be an accident”.
    A little girl raised her hand “If a school bus carrying fifty children drove over a cliff, killing everybody inside, that would be a tragedy”.

    “I’m afraid not” explained Corbyn: “That’s what we would refer to as a great loss”.

    The room went silent. No other children volunteered.
    Corbyn searched the room. “Isn’t there someone here who can give me an example of a tragedy ?”

    Finally, at the back of the room, little Johnny raised his hand and said “If a plane carrying you and Mr Balls, Mrs Harman and all the other Labour Party members was struck by a “friendly fire” missile and blown to smithereens, that would be a tragedy”.

    “Fantastic” exclaimed Corbyn, “ and can you tell me why that would be a tragedy ?”

    “Well” said Johnny, “ it has to be a tragedy, because it certainly wouldn’t be a great loss, and it probably wouldn’t be a bloody accident either”.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634
    Strong words from Renzi today. Clearly he's absolutely seething over Italy's inability to bail out its banking sector. That's the most important development from the EU meeting.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,211
    PlatoSaid said:

    Stig Abell
    I love the fact that Hillary Clinton ended her rally with "I feel good" by James Brown. Who died of pneumonia.

    I do hope that was intentional. It would make a change for a politician like her to be able to laugh at herself.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    What % of 18-24yr olds historically vote.. Will that % change in the future.. Has this "future" question been asked?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    I would not be surprised to see UKIP edging close to Labour by this time next year with Corbyn re-elected and James UKIP leader. I also think there is as strong chance UKIP beat Labour in the Witney by-election and the County elections next May
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    Hillary on Trump today - http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-veterans-press-conference-disgraceful/

    "He is feeding into the worst impulses - the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country."
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    tlg86 said:

    Thanks to Mr Meeks for the article on the Harris Academies. I wish my Year 11 maths class had only 20 in it. I've been wondering, is there any reason to have catchment areas in London? Given how fantastic public transport is in the capital, why not allow the children of London to apply to any school they like? So if these Harris schools are doing really well, why shouldn't a kid from somewhere further afield have the chance to go there? And if parents want their kids to be able to go to a local school, then move to an area where schools are under subscribed.

    Totally agreed
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Alistair said:
    Could you explain it, please?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    GeoffM said:

    Alistair said:
    Could you explain it, please?
    Trump promised a press conference, instead the news networks aired 60 minutes of Trump surrogates saying how awesome Donald Trump is.

    They got played hard and they'll do it again, much like Charlie brown, Lucy and the football.
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    The Telegraph: Britain is now free to frack and slash energy bills. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw56yf6zE
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,176
    edited September 2016
    Alistair said:

    GeoffM said:

    Alistair said:
    Could you explain it, please?
    Trump promised a press conference, instead the news networks aired 60 minutes of Trump surrogates saying how awesome Donald Trump is.

    They got played hard and they'll do it again, much like Charlie brown, Lucy and the football.
    Not to mention an advert for the new Trump hotel in Washington and a statement implicating Hillary in starting the birther movement.

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/776826132691881985
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    Hillary on Trump today - http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-veterans-press-conference-disgraceful/

    "He is feeding into the worst impulses - the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country."

    Snigger
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited September 2016

    Hillary on Trump today - http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-veterans-press-conference-disgraceful/

    "He is feeding into the worst impulses - the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country."

    A Hissy fit, brought on by demoralisation and fueled by fear.

    The Democrats are now licking their wounds - after having had their prize tactic neutered they are now saying it didn't matter and blaming Trump for 'being judge of whether Obama is American'.
    ------------------
    "Following his statement, Mrs Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook said: "Trump's actions today were disgraceful.

    "After five years of pushing a racist conspiracy theory into the mainstream, it was appalling to watch Trump appoint himself the judge of whether the President of the United States is American."
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    If Mr Mook wishes to appeal the Judge's decision I would be very interested.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    I would not be surprised to see UKIP edging close to Labour by this time next year with Corbyn re-elected and James UKIP leader. I also think there is as strong chance UKIP beat Labour in the Witney by-election and the County elections next May
    Very unlikely in my opinion.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Graphical proof that the older you get the wiser you become :wink:
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    Hindustan Times: Pakistan may be building new nuclear site, strengthening its arsenal. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw4seBhS4
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    PlatoSaid said:

    Stig Abell
    I love the fact that Hillary Clinton ended her rally with "I feel good" by James Brown. Who died of pneumonia.

    Fats Waller died of pneumonia too. One of the all time greats.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIFoAwJPtm4
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    The National: Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed's visit to Vatican 'will help promote tolerance' http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw9dbAgy4
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Alistair said:

    GeoffM said:

    Alistair said:
    Could you explain it, please?
    Trump promised a press conference, instead the news networks aired 60 minutes of Trump surrogates saying how awesome Donald Trump is.

    They got played hard and they'll do it again, much like Charlie brown, Lucy and the football.
    Cheers; much appreciated.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,142
    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    Certainly if Theresa May - already faced with the sufficiently difficult problem of Brexit on her election - comes out with more problematical initiatives like the expansion of selective education, we can look forward to a much closer political contest than she may have been expecting.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Corbyn popular with people yet to grow up.
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    Trump's now above 41% on the 538 probability model.

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,432
    Sandpit said:

    Today's kids don't remember the '70s and '80s Labour Party Corbyn wants to go back to.

    True. Most of them were conceived as we tried to console ourselves about the consequences.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971
    Go Liverpool!!
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited September 2016
    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.
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    The Sun: Theresa May delays Heathrow decision until after party conference...
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,142


    Fats Waller died of pneumonia too. One of the all time greats.

    I think you'll find rather a lot of people die from pneumonia. Apparently it's currently the third most common cause of death in the world.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited September 2016

    The Sun: Theresa May delays Heathrow decision until after party conference...

    FFS...can somebody with some bottle please just make a f##king decision over airport expansion. This has been going on for 10 years now.

    Where ever it goes it will cause a certain level of upheaval and won't be cheap, but we need the extra capacity like yesterday.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,432

    The Sun: Theresa May delays Heathrow decision until after party conference...

    Oh FFS. Govern or get off the pot.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971
    Betting post.

    Article 50 triggered in first half of 2017. 1.75 on Betfair. £50 available.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/#/politics/event/2707982/market?marketId=1.125398889
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634

    The Sun: Theresa May delays Heathrow decision until after party conference...

    Avoids giving Boris a huge platform to denounce the decision and the possible resignation of Greening (20/1 thanks to Mike!) until after the conference.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971

    The Sun: Theresa May delays Heathrow decision until after party conference...

    Then delayed until after Christmas, then delayed until after the A50 talks, then until after the French elections...

    Just make the bloody decision and live with it. Right now any decision of Heathrow is better than more procrastination. We elected you lot to make these difficult decisions. Grr.
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    Top tip - if it isn't cloudy where you are look up. The full moon looks gorgeous.

    Meanwhile, Team Owen have been emailing to say that they are convincing lots of undecideds to back their man. Spin or substance? We'll find out soon enough.
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    May hasn't won a General Election, didn't back Leave and didn't face an all member ballot. She needs the " bonding "of the Leaders speech at Conference before she takes on Heathrow opponents. It's just a wise political delay.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/SC_RACE:2 - Trump not improving (6.2%) but Clinton losing (74%)
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The Bake Off??

    Beyond satire.
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    weejonnie said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/SC_RACE:2 - Trump not improving (6.2%) but Clinton losing (74%)
    Thanks for that. Not surprising, after Clinton's week.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971
    Not Chelski's evening...
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    A bad week for Manchester United fans gets even worse then, looking at the scoreline of this match.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    weejonnie said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/SC_RACE:2 - Trump not improving (6.2%) but Clinton losing (74%)
    Thanks for that. Not surprising, after Clinton's week.
    One other thing on that poll - 56% Females 43% Males.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,211
    edited September 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Not Chelski's evening...

    Reverting to the mean.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,432
    edited September 2016

    May hasn't won a General Election, didn't back Leave and didn't face an all member ballot. She needs the " bonding "of the Leaders speech at Conference before she takes on Heathrow opponents. It's just a wise political delay.

    I disagree. She needs to look decisive, especially after the grammar school faff. What better way than making a necessary and long overdue decision that Cameron ducked?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,432

    Top tip - if it isn't cloudy where you are look up. The full moon looks gorgeous.

    Meanwhile, Team Owen have been emailing to say that they are convincing lots of undecideds to back their man. Spin or substance? We'll find out soon enough.

    Stunning moon over the Lomond hills in Fife on way home tonight.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    You could probably argue that a lot of 18-24 year olds don't really remember the last Labour government ...

    ... or what they did last w/e :)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634
    DavidL said:


    May hasn't won a General Election, didn't back Leave and didn't face an all member ballot. She needs the " bonding "of the Leaders speech at Conference before she takes on Heathrow opponents. It's just a wise political delay.

    I disagree. She needs to look decisive, especially after the grammar school faff. What better way than making a necessary and long overdue decision that Cameron ducked?
    Tbh, it's two weeks in a decision that's been 13 years in the making. The delay is to ensure that Boris' opposition doesn't get on the evening headlines.
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    Chris said:

    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    Certainly if Theresa May - already faced with the sufficiently difficult problem of Brexit on her election - comes out with more problematical initiatives like the expansion of selective education, we can look forward to a much closer political contest than she may have been expecting.
    You mean by problematic things that attract kippers back into the fold and wind up people who wouldnt vote Tory anyway?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    I would not be surprised to see UKIP edging close to Labour by this time next year with Corbyn re-elected and James UKIP leader. I also think there is as strong chance UKIP beat Labour in the Witney by-election and the County elections next May
    Very unlikely in my opinion.
    UKIP were just 2% behind Labour in the 2013 County elections and 8% behind Labour in Witney at the general election
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    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    Ah, I see. It does seem a bit much to make a child go through three entry exams potentially, I must say.
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    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    I've got reservations but it is just great to see someone just let rip because he is funding himself and dosent have to tread on eggshells the whole time because he cant afford to offend some special interest group with a professional chip on their shoulder the size of the grand canyon who will lean on the candidates corporate sponsors if they put a word out of place that offends liberal (in the US sense) sensibilities.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    I would not be surprised to see UKIP edging close to Labour by this time next year with Corbyn re-elected and James UKIP leader. I also think there is as strong chance UKIP beat Labour in the Witney by-election and the County elections next May
    Very unlikely in my opinion.
    UKIP were just 2% behind Labour in the 2013 County elections and 8% behind Labour in Witney at the general election
    UKIP are now 10% behind Labour in all council by elections held in September
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited September 2016
    Kudos to Sadiq Khan for refusing an upgrade from economy on his trip to Montreal
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/09/iain-dale-brits-dont-quit-said-cameron-but-he-has.html
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    Chris said:


    Fats Waller died of pneumonia too. One of the all time greats.

    I think you'll find rather a lot of people die from pneumonia. Apparently it's currently the third most common cause of death in the world.
    In almost all cases it only strikes when you have a serious other illness that stops you fighting it off or you screw your immune system in some other way. Pneumonia causing bacteria are the vultures of the bacteria world
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    'Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. '

    Sterilisation would do it.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp Obama hasn't been exactly innocent in all this - if only by letting his literary agent promote him as being Kenyan.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189

    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    Ah, I see. It does seem a bit much to make a child go through three entry exams potentially, I must say.
    They are not forced to but if they are late developers and still want to go to a grammar school why not?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971
    edited September 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Kudos to Sadiq Khan for refusing an upgrade from economy on his trip to Montreal
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/09/iain-dale-brits-dont-quit-said-cameron-but-he-has.html

    Wow, how the hell did Dale manage to set this up? Kudos if it happens, should be fascinating.

    "Next week, I’m starting the LBC Middle East Process. Yes, really. On my radio show I’ll be hosting an hour-long debate between the Israeli Ambassador to London Mark Regev, and the Palestinian Ambassador, Manuel Hassassian.I’ve interviewed them separately before, and I hope that we can have at least a partial meeting of minds.

    "Clearly, there will be huge differences between them, but in my experience they are both reasonable men who have the ability to see a different point of view from their own. Whatever the outcome, I think I can assure you an hour of gripping radio."
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    weejonnie said:

    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp Obama hasn't been exactly innocent in all this - if only by letting his literary agent promote him as being Kenyan.
    Oh shut up. Its racist full stop.
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    DavidL said:


    May hasn't won a General Election, didn't back Leave and didn't face an all member ballot. She needs the " bonding "of the Leaders speech at Conference before she takes on Heathrow opponents. It's just a wise political delay.

    I disagree. She needs to look decisive, especially after the grammar school faff. What better way than making a necessary and long overdue decision that Cameron ducked?
    What faff. She announced it and published a green paper and made everyone look the other way during the EU summit?

    I have mixed feelings about grammar schools but a policy that lures back kippers while making the left foam is good politics.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited September 2016

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    I would not be surprised to see UKIP edging close to Labour by this time next year with Corbyn re-elected and James UKIP leader. I also think there is as strong chance UKIP beat Labour in the Witney by-election and the County elections next May
    Very unlikely in my opinion.
    UKIP were just 2% behind Labour in the 2013 County elections and 8% behind Labour in Witney at the general election
    UKIP are now 10% behind Labour in all council by elections held in September
    Council by elections rarely predict full council results exactly and of course next May's elections are only in County Councils unlike this month's council by elections, virtually no metropolitan councils and no London councils (where Corbyn would do best) will be up for election and this month's results also preceded the election of James today and by next May Corbyn will have been re-elected and Article 50 probably have been triggered with Brexit again at the top of the agenda!
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    nunu said:

    weejonnie said:

    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp Obama hasn't been exactly innocent in all this - if only by letting his literary agent promote him as being Kenyan.
    Oh shut up. Its racist full stop.
    Please withdraw that comment.
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    I've got reservations but it is just great to see someone just let rip because he is funding himself and dosent have to tread on eggshells the whole time because he cant afford to offend some special interest group with a professional chip on their shoulder the size of the grand canyon who will lean on the candidates corporate sponsors if they put a word out of place that offends liberal (in the US sense) sensibilities.

    I don't think it's having a chip on your shoulder though, to feel his comments regarding Hispanics, his comments about Megyn Kelly, or his support for the birther movement is out of line.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited September 2016
    HYUFD said:

    They are not forced to but if they are late developers and still want to go to a grammar school why not?

    I was more thinking of the parents making them do it three times. But if they are late developers,and want to do it then I agree why not.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    Perhaps we need to await confirmation from a few more polls but there seems to be some evidence that May's honeymoon is fading and the Tory lead falling back to more modest levels. I had always expected this by early Autumn and will not be too surprised if we see some neck and neck polls by Xmas.

    I would not be surprised to see UKIP edging close to Labour by this time next year with Corbyn re-elected and James UKIP leader. I also think there is as strong chance UKIP beat Labour in the Witney by-election and the County elections next May
    Very unlikely in my opinion.
    UKIP were just 2% behind Labour in the 2013 County elections and 8% behind Labour in Witney at the general election
    UKIP are now 10% behind Labour in all council by elections held in September
    Council by elections rarely predict full council results exactly and of course next May's elections are only in County Councils unlike this month's council by elections, virtually no metropolitan councils and no London councils (where Corbyn would do best) will be up for election and this month's results also preceded the election of James today and by next May Corbyn will have been re-elected and Article 50 probably have been triggered with Brexit again at the top of the agenda!
    Quite correct , having looked at all the CC up next May and the few unitaries I expect UKIP to lose around 105 of the 147 seats they are theoretically defending . They have already lost around 30 to by election losses and defections .
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,051


    I've got reservations but it is just great to see someone just let rip because he is funding himself and dosent have to tread on eggshells the whole time because he cant afford to offend some special interest group with a professional chip on their shoulder the size of the grand canyon who will lean on the candidates corporate sponsors if they put a word out of place that offends liberal (in the US sense) sensibilities.


    Why am I not the least bit surprised that the moronic Brexit nihilists also love Trump?
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    I've got reservations but it is just great to see someone just let rip because he is funding himself and dosent have to tread on eggshells the whole time because he cant afford to offend some special interest group with a professional chip on their shoulder the size of the grand canyon who will lean on the candidates corporate sponsors if they put a word out of place that offends liberal (in the US sense) sensibilities.

    The problem with this election is that neither candidate is inspirational, and what America needs more than ever is an inspirational leader. Obama tried to be (remember 'hope' and 'change'), but he didn't have the ability - or will - to deliver.

    In 1960, Kennedy said:
    ... the people of the world respect achievement. For most of the 20th century they admired American science and American education, which was second to none. But now they are not at all certain about which way the future lies. The first vehicle in outer space was called sputnik, not Vanguard. The first country to place its national emblem on the moon was the Soviet Union, not the United States. The first canine passengers to outer space who safely returned were named Strelka and Belka, not Rover or Fido, or even Checkers.
    and
    if the Soviet Union was first in outer space, that is the most serious defeat the United States has suffered in many, many years. The reason - not merely because outer space is important militarily, but because as George Adams, the head of the United States Foreign Service, said earlier this year, people around the world equate the mission to the moon, the mission to outer space, with productive and scientific superiority. Therefore, in spite of all our accomplishments, because we failed to recognize the impact that being first in outer space would have, the impression began to move around the world that the Soviet Union was on the march, that it had definite goals, that it knew how to accomplish them, that it was moving and that we were standing still. That is what we have to overcome, that psychological feeling in the world that the United States has reached maturity, that maybe our high noon has passed, maybe our brightest days were earlier, and that now we are going into the long, slow afternoon. I don’t hold that view at all. I don’t hold that view at all, and neither do the people of this country.
    He understood it, and tried to correct it. The current two minions running for presidency don't understand that the country they will serve can do amazing things, but is stagnating. They need to inspire people, show their people that chants of "USA! USA!" are pointless if the country's directionless and leaderless.

    I think perhaps the last president to understand this was Reagan.
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    I've always opposed Heathrow expansion but frankly post Brexit it makes sense. If your open, outward looking and reading nation accidentally does something as stupid as Brexit you need to take corrective action quickly. For all it's short comings Heathrow expansion is without doubt ( a) something ( b) an expansive, opening, internationalist and globalising move. ( c) a response to Brexit that doesn't reward a certain sort of Brexiteers. To over simplify Heathrow reinforces London and the South East's preeminence in the UK economy. The worst thing we could do is poor unproductive capital into some town that's just blamed all it's problems on Foreigners. The sooner we Leave voters realise they've voted for a different flavour of globalisation not to stop globalisation the better. I know see Heathrow expansion as a form of political and economic air bag. Something you hope you'd never use but if you've crashed the car essential to use. If May needs to delay a decision for a few weeks to achieve closure on a decision that's already been delayed decades then so be it.
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    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    At 16, yes, for the sixth form, and that's two-way traffic, with some leaving to do A-levels or other things elsewhere. I've not heard of entry at 13 though, at least not here in Birmingham.
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    From the graph in the article Corbyn just has to stick it out for 40 years to get a majority of the voters turning out for him.
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited September 2016
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    The problem with this election is that neither candidate is inspirational, and what America needs more than ever is an inspirational leader. Obama tried to be (remember 'hope' and 'change'), but he didn't have the ability - or will - to deliver.



    He understood it, and tried to correct it. The current two minions running for presidency don't understand that the country they will serve can do amazing things, but is stagnating. They need to inspire people, show their people that chants of "USA! USA!" are pointless if the country's directionless and leaderless.

    I think perhaps the last president to understand this was Reagan.

    I suppose what I am trying to say is that there is a whiff of Wimbledon getting to the cup final about Trump. Candicacy was seen as a joke and he has taken on both parties establishments with an unlovely but effective long ball game that has shown modern refined media savvy sophistication for the bullshit it is.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189

    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    At 16, yes, for the sixth form, and that's two-way traffic, with some leaving to do A-levels or other things elsewhere. I've not heard of entry at 13 though, at least not here in Birmingham.
    In Bucks there is certainly entry at 13+ though often administered by schools themselves
    http://www.rgshw.com/1861/admissions/application-for-late-entrance-sept-2017
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634

    HYUFD said:

    A vast majority of my age group are disengaged with politics, and don't even vote - let alone most of them being Corbynistas. I'm sure that's not going stop some using this poll to critical of the views and thoughts of young people, though. Lurking around some of this weeks' threads today, I find it interesting that views deemed as 'common sense' and 'sensible' are nearly always Conservative ones.

    Theresa May will be fine, because Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. I don't really agree with her grammar schools' policy though. Social mobility and poverty are fairly complicated issues, and there is no single policy out there that is going to be a panacea for it. I'm also not sure what is exactly is going happen to those who don't get into grammar schools - after all, their chances of a great future shouldn't die at age 11.
    I don't see Diane James who has always come across as socially and fiscally conservative really appealing to Labour voters.

    I'm still curious as to why Trump seems to have so many on PB that are particularly keen on him. I have a feeling that if another candidate had made the kind of statements Trump has made about minorities about white people there would be an uproar on this site and they would be hated. Yet being suspicious about Trump's view of minorities seems to be totally mocked on this site despite his statements, and there almost seems to be an expectation that minorities should put aside any concerns or grievances they have regarding Trump and support him. Speaking of Trump and minorities, are there any other polls that show his position improving (I should say) with minorities other than the LA Times poll? They've been showing Trump's position as improving (generally with voters) for sometime now, although I found out fairly recently they are a self-selecting panel (like YouGov I think). After finding that out, I don't know how to take their poll findings.

    It is unfortunate that America that this time has some seriously dire candidates for President. It almost makes me wish Obama could do another four years, because even he is better than that lot.

    EDIT: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/

    The fact that this was even thing is simply unbelievable. Although I'm sure the people who frequent Breibart.com still think Obama isn't American.

    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16
    At 16, yes, for the sixth form, and that's two-way traffic, with some leaving to do A-levels or other things elsewhere. I've not heard of entry at 13 though, at least not here in Birmingham.
    They had it at my school but only for places which had come up due to people leaving or being expelled.
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    I've always opposed Heathrow expansion but frankly post Brexit it makes sense. If your open, outward looking and reading nation accidentally does something as stupid as Brexit you need to take corrective action quickly. For all it's short comings Heathrow expansion is without doubt ( a) something ( b) an expansive, opening, internationalist and globalising move. ( c) a response to Brexit that doesn't reward a certain sort of Brexiteers. To over simplify Heathrow reinforces London and the South East's preeminence in the UK economy. The worst thing we could do is poor unproductive capital into some town that's just blamed all it's problems on Foreigners. The sooner we Leave voters realise they've voted for a different flavour of globalisation not to stop globalisation the better. I know see Heathrow expansion as a form of political and economic air bag. Something you hope you'd never use but if you've crashed the car essential to use. If May needs to delay a decision for a few weeks to achieve closure on a decision that's already been delayed decades then so be it.

    Heathrow's largest shareholder is Spanish. Why give them a free pass in a post-Brexit world?

    Find a British owned airport and let them expand.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited September 2016

    From the graph in the article Corbyn just has to stick it out for 40 years to get a majority of the voters turning out for him.

    He's home and dry if all the under 25s can stay in education (avoid mortgages, families etc) until they reach pension age.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    edited September 2016

    I've got reservations but it is just great to see someone just let rip because he is funding himself and dosent have to tread on eggshells the whole time because he cant afford to offend some special interest group with a professional chip on their shoulder the size of the grand canyon who will lean on the candidates corporate sponsors if they put a word out of place that offends liberal (in the US sense) sensibilities.

    The problem with this election is that neither candidate is inspirational, and what America needs more than ever is an inspirational leader. Obama tried to be (remember 'hope' and 'change'), but he didn't have the ability - or will - to deliver.

    In 1960, Kennedy said:
    ... the people of the world respect achievement. For most of the 20th century they admired American science and American education, which was second to none. But now they are not at all certain about which way the future lies. The first vehicle in outer space was called sputnik, not Vanguard. The first country to place its national emblem on the moon was the Soviet Union, not the United States. The first canine passengers to outer space who safely returned were named Strelka and Belka, not Rover or Fido, or even Checkers.
    "and
    "if the Soviet Union was first in outer space, that is the most serious defeat the United States has suffered in many, many years. The reason - not merely because outer space is important militarily, but because as George Adams, the head of the United States Foreign Service, said earlier this year, people around the world equate the mission to the moon, the mission to outer space, with productive and scientific superiority. Therefore, in spite of all our accomplishments, because we failed to recognize the impact that being first in outer space would hav
    He understood it, and tried to correct it. The current two minions running for presidency don't understand that the country they will serve can do amazing things, but is stagnating. They need to inspire people, show their people that chants of "USA! USA!" are pointless if the country's directionless and leaderless.

    I think perhaps the last president to understand this was Reagan."


    I don't entirely agree, what America does not need now is an inspirational leader but a tough, competent one who gets things done, which Obama did not always do, however good his speechmaking. For example, JFK was succeeded by LBJ and Nixon, neither anything like as inspiring but both got things done, Hillary or Trump would certainly be closer to the latter than Obama's more JFK like persona. Equally Reagan was succeeded by the dull Bush Snr, who proved to be highly effective in foreign policy particularly
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,971

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    The problem with this election is that neither candidate is inspirational, and what America needs more than ever is an inspirational leader. Obama tried to be (remember 'hope' and 'change'), but he didn't have the ability - or will - to deliver.



    He understood it, and tried to correct it. The current two minions running for presidency don't understand that the country they will serve can do amazing things, but is stagnating. They need to inspire people, show their people that chants of "USA! USA!" are pointless if the country's directionless and leaderless.

    I think perhaps the last president to understand this was Reagan.

    I suppose what I am trying to say is that there is a whiff of Wimbledon getting to the cup final about Trump. Candicacy was seen as a joke and he has taken on both parties establishments with an unlovely but effective long ball game that has shown modern refined media savvy sophistication for the bullshit it is.
    And Wimbledon won that cup final, with the single goal in a boring match, saving a penalty as they went.
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Most grammars also have an entry at 13 and 16

    At 16, yes, for the sixth form, and that's two-way traffic, with some leaving to do A-levels or other things elsewhere. I've not heard of entry at 13 though, at least not here in Birmingham.
    In Bucks there is certainly entry at 13+ though often administered by schools themselves
    http://www.rgshw.com/1861/admissions/application-for-late-entrance-sept-2017
    From that site:

    "Please note that the testing does not imply that there are spaces but allows us to establish a waiting list of suitable boys should a place become available."

    That gives the impression that entry after 13 is only possible if places are freed up by other kids leaving, rather than being a normal means of entry.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,211
    chestnut said:

    From the graph in the article Corbyn just has to stick it out for 40 years to get a majority of the voters turning out for him.

    He's home and dry if all the under 25s can stay in education (avoid mortgages, families etc) until they reach pension age.
    Could very easily happen!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kudos to Sadiq Khan for refusing an upgrade from economy on his trip to Montreal
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/09/iain-dale-brits-dont-quit-said-cameron-but-he-has.html

    Wow, how the hell did Dale manage to set this up? Kudos if it happens, should be fascinating.

    "Next week, I’m starting the LBC Middle East Process. Yes, really. On my radio show I’ll be hosting an hour-long debate between the Israeli Ambassador to London Mark Regev, and the Palestinian Ambassador, Manuel Hassassian.I’ve interviewed them separately before, and I hope that we can have at least a partial meeting of minds.

    "Clearly, there will be huge differences between them, but in my experience they are both reasonable men who have the ability to see a different point of view from their own. Whatever the outcome, I think I can assure you an hour of gripping radio."
    Should be interesting, if they can avoid coming to blows!
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