Am going to watch Jezza Vs Owen Who on iplayer in a sec.
How much popcorn will I need?
You won't be able to find enough in the Country after that depressing display of the dying embers of the labour party. I find it very sad and I am a conservative who should be over the moon
Ditto. A Parliamentary democracy does need a serviceable opposition to work properly though, something that's been missing for a year and doesn't look like it's coming back anytime soon.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
Am going to watch Jezza Vs Owen Who on iplayer in a sec.
How much popcorn will I need?
You won't be able to find enough in the Country after that depressing display of the dying embers of the labour party. I find it very sad and I am a conservative who should be over the moon
Big G, Would you fancy a modest wager that the polls over the next couple of weeks will continue to show Labour hovering around the 30% mark?
I am not into betting but would expect labour to be between 28 and 30% but that is more because the polls tend to overstate labour
I really didn't think that anyone could make Jeremy Corbyn look like a competent politician.
Bravo Owen Smith, you have proved you're at least good for one thing.
Oh to be a fly on the wall in No.10 watching this tonight. The PM must be laughing her head off at those two clowns, that early election she dismissed must be tempting.
I think she's too sensible for that. Labour have become a charade. If May gets things wrong, and she surely doesn't believe that she's infallible, then there's a real danger that we find ourselves in the hands of people like Corbyn and Smith. I'm reasonably sure they have their individual merits (although hard to spot tonight), but I'm far more sure that neither of them, nor the people that surround them, are fit to hold down a paper-round.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
I find Smith simply too painful to watch. He is that bad, like a child who cannot remember his lines at a school nativity play.
On the other hand, Corbyn exudes a beatific looniness, which makes strangely absorbing viewing.
I was watching the coverage of the 1987 election this week, and there was a lot of talk of the Loony Left. They had no idea how it would develop 20 years later...
Owen Smith's idea of campaigning at the next GE to re-join Europe must mean he accepts the Euro or he hasn't thought it through. Corbyn wanting out of Europe is due to his renationalisation programmes
I'm fairly sure that most of the Eurozone members would rather there were no new members for a couple of decades while they get their house in order.
Indeed, as it has been endlessly pointed out here, it's easy for new EU members to avoid joining the Euro simply by declaring themselves perpetually unready for the ERM.
Corbyn says nothing of substance at all. Gets huge cheers by saying how good it'll be to promote community cohesion and anti racism. How's he going to do it? He just repeats the same crap over and over.
Owen smith is much worse of course but the real loser here is the Labour Party. Real state of a party.
Jezza's not strong in the word "how". That means engaging with the real world full of shades of grey. Much easier to have a "position".
Am going to watch Jezza Vs Owen Who on iplayer in a sec.
How much popcorn will I need?
You won't be able to find enough in the Country after that depressing display of the dying embers of the labour party. I find it very sad and I am a conservative who should be over the moon
Big G, Would you fancy a modest wager that the polls over the next couple of weeks will continue to show Labour hovering around the 30% mark?
I am not into betting but would expect labour to be between 28 and 30% but that is more because the polls tend to overstate labour
Fair enough. We are supposed to pay attention to the polls on this site, at least as much as so great is the energy devoted to dissecting and analysing them, yet Corbyn is polling just a couple of points below Labour's GE score. He may be all the things people say about him (and my own views are not printable on a family web-site), yet he doesn't seem to be causing Labour that much damage.
Corbyn says nothing of substance at all. Gets huge cheers by saying how good it'll be to promote community cohesion and anti racism. How's he going to do it? He just repeats the same crap over and over.
Owen smith is much worse of course but the real loser here is the Labour Party. Real state of a party.
Jezza's not strong in the word "how". That means engaging with the real world full of shades of grey. Much easier to have a "position".
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
That could be quite a big development if both UK and the Swiss combine together in seeking a settlement.
Bet Juncker's et al are going off the deep end again and will no doubt issue a statement tomorrow banning our two Countries talking to each other and sending in the new Euro Armies tanks !!
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Ummmm: I think Switzerland avoided invasion because Switzerland is a very difficult country to invade, and because the Swiss government was very friendly to the Nazis.
Is Owen Smith the man who managed to lose Blaenau Gwent for Labour? Now we see why.
It tells us a lot about the MP's who support such a useless person to be their leader.
If Owen Smith is the best the PLP has to offer then of course Corbyn will look like a political giant.
It's amazing that in every step of this war the anti-Corbyn MP's prove how stupid they are, if they were in charge of Labour instead of Corbyn there would be nothing left by tea time.
Am going to watch Jezza Vs Owen Who on iplayer in a sec.
How much popcorn will I need?
You won't be able to find enough in the Country after that depressing display of the dying embers of the labour party. I find it very sad and I am a conservative who should be over the moon
Big G, Would you fancy a modest wager that the polls over the next couple of weeks will continue to show Labour hovering around the 30% mark?
I am not into betting but would expect labour to be between 28 and 30% but that is more because the polls tend to overstate labour
Fair enough. We are supposed to pay attention to the polls on this site, at least as much as so great is the energy devoted to dissecting and analysing them, yet Corbyn is polling just a couple of points below Labour's GE score. He may be all the things people say about him (and my own views are not printable on a family web-site), yet he doesn't seem to be causing Labour that much damage.
Quite often a building looks the same on the outside as the load-bearing beams are rotting, and external observations give no indication of the impending catastrophic collapse.
In other words, failure is a transition state, not linear.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Yes I expect Switzerland knows plenty of secrets about the financial affairs of Eurocrats they would rather were kept hidden
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Ummmm: I think Switzerland avoided invasion because Switzerland is a very difficult country to invade, and because the Swiss government was very friendly to the Nazis.
It helped that every Nazi official had an interest to protect Switzerland from any harm. The only Nazi minister who didn't had a swiss bank account was probably Hitler himself.
You can imagine the constant arguments between Hitler vs everybody around him about invading it.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Yes I expect Switzerland knows plenty of secrets about the financial affairs of Eurocrats they would rather were kept hidden
Hmmm: that hasn't enabled them to achieve anything particularly impressive in their negotiations with the EU.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Ummmm: I think Switzerland avoided invasion because Switzerland is a very difficult country to invade, and because the Swiss government was very friendly to the Nazis.
It helped that every Nazi official had an interest to protect Switzerland from any harm. The only Nazi minister who didn't had a swiss bank account was probably Hitler himself.
You can imagine the constant arguments between Hitler vs everybody around him about invading it.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Ummmm: I think Switzerland avoided invasion because Switzerland is a very difficult country to invade, and because the Swiss government was very friendly to the Nazis.
Yes, Swiss forces were also quite effective (albeit largely as a deterrent). They probably couldn't have held off the whole of the Wehrmacht for long, but they could have made it difficult enough to slow up more strategically important progress elsewhere - and so were left alone as German war aims did not depend on the occupation or removal of Switzerland. IIRR the Swiss Luftwaffe comfortably saw off the German Luftwaffe on a couple of occasions early on in the war when Goring decided to test the extent of Swiss neutrality.
The bitter in remainers latest stunt is going to be standing outside the albert hall giving free EU flags to concert goers in the hope of persuading them to wave EU flags instead of the Union Flag.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
Of course, Switzerland is hardly disinterested. They have no access to the single market in financial services (which means that Swiss firms cannot directly sell financial services products to those in the UK, they need to set up a local subsidiary and use that). If they combine with us, they might get it so that UBS and Credit Suisse can offer what they currently offer from London from Zurich instead.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
That could be quite a big development if both UK and the Swiss combine together in seeking a settlement.
Bet Juncker's et al are going off the deep end again and will no doubt issue a statement tomorrow banning our two Countries talking to each other and sending in the new Euro Armies tanks !!
Every comment from a Eurocrat since the vote has just reinforced why we decided to leave in the first place. Maybe the so-called 'hard brexit' is preferable to spending years trying to deal with idiots like Drunker.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Yes I expect Switzerland knows plenty of secrets about the financial affairs of Eurocrats they would rather were kept hidden
Hmmm: that hasn't enabled them to achieve anything particularly impressive in their negotiations with the EU.
Well individual Swiss bankers will know the secret financial affairs of Eurocrats. Not necessarily the Swiss government though. That's kind of the point of a Swiss bank account.
Fair enough. We are supposed to pay attention to the polls on this site, at least as much as so great is the energy devoted to dissecting and analysing them, yet Corbyn is polling just a couple of points below Labour's GE score. He may be all the things people say about him (and my own views are not printable on a family web-site), yet he doesn't seem to be causing Labour that much damage.
As I said last year Corbyn is a very polarizing figure, he doesn't gain much support but doesn't lose much either.
Compared with the present alternatives he is still a safe pair of hands.
Owen Smith is much worse, he is guaranteed to only lose piles of votes.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Yes I expect Switzerland knows plenty of secrets about the financial affairs of Eurocrats they would rather were kept hidden
Hmmm: that hasn't enabled them to achieve anything particularly impressive in their negotiations with the EU.
Well individual Swiss bankers will know the secret financial affairs of Eurocrats. Not necessarily the Swiss government though. That's kind of the point of a Swiss bank account.
Actually, I somehow doubt it. Which retired Eurocrats have gone to ground in Cap Ferrat or Monte Carlo? Seriously, does anyone think that Baroness Ashton or Neil Kinnock ended up wealthy after their time in Brussels. (And I think Europe's telecoms companies would have happily bribed Neelie Kroes if she'd been amenable.)
I think the corruption is more insidious: travel anywhere in First Class for research, take anyone out to lunch, and bill the Commission. You live high on the hog, and you think yourself important and a man of the people.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Ummmm: I think Switzerland avoided invasion because Switzerland is a very difficult country to invade, and because the Swiss government was very friendly to the Nazis.
"Switzerland possessed the most disgusting and miserable people and political system. The Swiss were the mortal enemies of the new Germany."[2] - Hitler, 1941
Am going to watch Jezza Vs Owen Who on iplayer in a sec.
How much popcorn will I need?
You won't be able to find enough in the Country after that depressing display of the dying embers of the labour party. I find it very sad and I am a conservative who should be over the moon
Big G, Would you fancy a modest wager that the polls over the next couple of weeks will continue to show Labour hovering around the 30% mark?
I am not into betting but would expect labour to be between 28 and 30% but that is more because the polls tend to overstate labour
Fair enough. We are supposed to pay attention to the polls on this site, at least as much as so great is the energy devoted to dissecting and analysing them, yet Corbyn is polling just a couple of points below Labour's GE score. He may be all the things people say about him (and my own views are not printable on a family web-site), yet he doesn't seem to be causing Labour that much damage.
It was quite remarkable that as government approval, David Cameron and George Osborne's ratings plunged into the abyss, Labour's didn't rise one jot.
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Not keen on the centre ground eh tyson?
I think you'll find I came around to quite liking Cameron.
If May hits the rich, corporate wealth, and privileged on taxes and wealth, she will turn my head as a serious politician. At the, moment it all looks to be one way way right wing traffic....
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Not keen on the centre ground eh tyson?
I wonder how long it will take for the Labour Party to realise that in order to win power, they need a couple of million people who voted Conservative for the last two elections to vote Labour.
Those people don't think that Britain's biggest problems are Palestine, insufficient immigration and unilateral disarmament.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
That could be quite a big development if both UK and the Swiss combine together in seeking a settlement.
Bet Juncker's et al are going off the deep end again and will no doubt issue a statement tomorrow banning our two Countries talking to each other and sending in the new Euro Armies tanks !!
I hope so.
Given the state of most EU nations' armies compared to the British army and how difficult Switzerland is to conquer, probably not a good idea for Juncker to do anything too drastic
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Not keen on the centre ground eh tyson?
I wonder how long it will take for the Labour Party to realise that in order to win power, they need a couple of million people who voted Conservative for the last two elections to vote Labour.
Those people don't think that Britain's biggest problems are Palestine, insufficient immigration and unilateral disarmament.
They also, largely, don't dine on quinoa or read the grauniad. The horror!
If you want to see a wonderful bun fight within Labour, I find LabourList.org's comment can be comedy gold. Full of hand wringers talking comradely, but hating each other. Read tomorrow post BBC debate, once it has filled up with naive comments.
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Not keen on the centre ground eh tyson?
I wonder how long it will take for the Labour Party to realise that in order to win power, they need a couple of million people who voted Conservative for the last two elections to vote Labour.
Those people don't think that Britain's biggest problems are Palestine, insufficient immigration and unilateral disarmament.
They also, largely, don't dine on quinoa or read the grauniad. The horror!
Don't tell anyone, but I had quinoa the other day, and it was rather nice. Although I can't stomach the way it is pronounced: does one say "Ah, I loved that movie about the boxer Rocky Bill-bwahhh."
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
You know negotiations would be much more level if Britain and Switzerland had access to any secret bank accounts and slush funds of EU politicians.
Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Ummmm: I think Switzerland avoided invasion because Switzerland is a very difficult country to invade, and because the Swiss government was very friendly to the Nazis.
I think Switzerland was more useful to Germany as a neutral state than as an occupied country. The banks were one thing and the railways between Germany and Italy were another. Switzerland would have been a very easy country for Germany to blockade - they effectively controlled all the surrounding territory. Also they invaded Norway, which on the face of it is a geographically more challenging country for them.
The Swiss press was very anti-Nazi, which caused tensions with a government that was quietly collaborating in all areas with the regime.
BBC interview with former Swiss President sees her say Switzerland wants to work with the UK to reform free movement rules so they can both still get some access to the single market. Swiss diplomats have apparently already been dispatched to London to help with Brexit negotiations
Of course, Switzerland is hardly disinterested. They have no access to the single market in financial services (which means that Swiss firms cannot directly sell financial services products to those in the UK, they need to set up a local subsidiary and use that). If they combine with us, they might get it so that UBS and Credit Suisse can offer what they currently offer from London from Zurich instead.
Well we could potentially lose business to Paris, Frankfurt and Dublin without single market access so having a few Swiss banks do more business from Switzerland to the EU would be a small price to pay
Imagine Middle England watching that QT and hearing Labour going on about racism, anti-Semitism and Hamas.
Where do those issues come on the MORI Issues Index? I imagine about 1%, if that. The average floating voter will be completely bewildered by it.
Then (assuming it's Corbyn) add in Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament and most toxic of all refusing to say he supports the Monarchy.
If Corbyn fights the next GE, it will be like no other. Subjects not even mentioned once in the last few GEs are going to completely dominate the media - with Corbyn under absolutely massive bombardment.
Their activist base, which had largely deserted them 18 months ago, is certainly working again. It is too early to say whether this will feed through to national success. (I define national success at 12-16 seats in 2020. Others may have a different definition.)
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Not keen on the centre ground eh tyson?
I wonder how long it will take for the Labour Party to realise that in order to win power, they need a couple of million people who voted Conservative for the last two elections to vote Labour.
Those people don't think that Britain's biggest problems are Palestine, insufficient immigration and unilateral disarmament.
They also, largely, don't dine on quinoa or read the grauniad. The horror!
Don't tell anyone, but I had quinoa the other day, and it was rather nice. Although I can't stomach the way it is pronounced: does one say "Ah, I loved that movie about the boxer Rocky Bill-bwahhh."
I'm currently in rural Norfolk at a sale. My comfortable pub for a few days doesn't seem to service rice or pasta, let alone these new fangled grains. Quite a refreshing change tbh.
I'm more of a fan of lentils than keeeeen-whahhhhh....
Their activist base, which had largely deserted them 18 months ago, is certainly working again. It is too early to say whether this will feed through to national success. (I define national success at 12-16 seats in 2020. Others may have a different definition.)
I know they've been putting a lot of effort here in Sheffield, I wonder if their strategy is to try and retake the councils they've previously held.
Their activist base, which had largely deserted them 18 months ago, is certainly working again. It is too early to say whether this will feed through to national success. (I define national success at 12-16 seats in 2020. Others may have a different definition.)
I know they've been putting a lot of effort here in Sheffield, I wonder if their strategy is to try and retake the councils they've previously held.
Presumably this helps finances too, given the traditional 10% suggestion....
Their activist base, which had largely deserted them 18 months ago, is certainly working again. It is too early to say whether this will feed through to national success. (I define national success at 12-16 seats in 2020. Others may have a different definition.)
For me it's competitive seats, won seats is of course important but we're obviously in a long term rebuilding phase, so it's the number of seats where we're within say 12% of the winner. That gives you something to work with (and also indicates a wider spread of support).
Anecdotally Brexit has fired a lot of people up, membership surge, and is also handily uniting the party.
Their activist base, which had largely deserted them 18 months ago, is certainly working again. It is too early to say whether this will feed through to national success. (I define national success at 12-16 seats in 2020. Others may have a different definition.)
I know they've been putting a lot of effort here in Sheffield, I wonder if their strategy is to try and retake the councils they've previously held.
I'm sure that's right. Control the council and you have a ready supply of activists and are seen as a credible local force.
Jeremy Corbyn seems to dislike the EU for some of its unpopular 'positives' and love it for free movement at exactly the same time....which puts him at odds with a large majority of the British public.
Oh, and seems to think all rights ever granted to British workers, mothers and fathers were EU diktats.
Woah. Not sure who comes across as more deluded in this QT - Corbynista audience or Owen Smith....
I don't think the pbCom right wingery, Brexit glitterati are best placed to give advice to the Labour party. I might be wrong.
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
Not keen on the centre ground eh tyson?
I wonder how long it will take for the Labour Party to realise that in order to win power, they need a couple of million people who voted Conservative for the last two elections to vote Labour.
Those people don't think that Britain's biggest problems are Palestine, insufficient immigration and unilateral disarmament.
They also, largely, don't dine on quinoa or read the grauniad. The horror!
Don't tell anyone, but I had quinoa the other day, and it was rather nice. Although I can't stomach the way it is pronounced: does one say "Ah, I loved that movie about the boxer Rocky Bill-bwahhh."
At McDonnell Towers, it is, and always will be, pronounced quin-noah. Here I stand. I can do no other.
I am right to describe Henry IV as the country's most famous usurper? Or am I missing someone more obvious.
I'd agree with that. And it was my period....
Ta, is for the morning thread.
And until Tudor, certainly the most successful too - Lancastrian historians managed to this day to paint one of the most inspirational Kings (Richard II) as a dweeb.
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Well done that girl !!
On the other hand, Corbyn exudes a beatific looniness, which makes strangely absorbing viewing.
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Switzerland prevented a German invasion in WW2 because most german and Nazi officials had swiss bank accounts and used the country to hide their fortunes.
Bet Juncker's et al are going off the deep end again and will no doubt issue a statement tomorrow banning our two Countries talking to each other and sending in the new Euro Armies tanks !!
If Owen Smith is the best the PLP has to offer then of course Corbyn will look like a political giant.
It's amazing that in every step of this war the anti-Corbyn MP's prove how stupid they are, if they were in charge of Labour instead of Corbyn there would be nothing left by tea time.
In other words, failure is a transition state, not linear.
Labour is far better off under Corbyn than Owen Smith. Smith is DREADFUL.
And look how I turned out
The only Nazi minister who didn't had a swiss bank account was probably Hitler himself.
You can imagine the constant arguments between Hitler vs everybody around him about invading it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum
And I cannot fathom, at all, for the life of me, why Livingstone keeps going on about Hitler.
Compared with the present alternatives he is still a safe pair of hands.
Owen Smith is much worse, he is guaranteed to only lose piles of votes.
I think the corruption is more insidious: travel anywhere in First Class for research, take anyone out to lunch, and bill the Commission. You live high on the hog, and you think yourself important and a man of the people.
"Switzerland possessed the most disgusting and miserable people and political system. The Swiss were the mortal enemies of the new Germany."[2] - Hitler, 1941
Similarly, as a lefty, I am gobsmacked, that Theresa May is such a headbanging zealous, loony...where the hell did that come from? But I am not a right winger......so what the hell do I know?
If May hits the rich, corporate wealth, and privileged on taxes and wealth, she will turn my head as a serious politician. At the, moment it all looks to be one way way right wing traffic....
Those people don't think that Britain's biggest problems are Palestine, insufficient immigration and unilateral disarmament.
Given the state of most EU nations' armies compared to the British army and how difficult Switzerland is to conquer, probably not a good idea for Juncker to do anything too drastic
The Swiss press was very anti-Nazi, which caused tensions with a government that was quietly collaborating in all areas with the regime.
#LibDemFightBack
Where do those issues come on the MORI Issues Index? I imagine about 1%, if that. The average floating voter will be completely bewildered by it.
Then (assuming it's Corbyn) add in Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament and most toxic of all refusing to say he supports the Monarchy.
If Corbyn fights the next GE, it will be like no other. Subjects not even mentioned once in the last few GEs are going to completely dominate the media - with Corbyn under absolutely massive bombardment.
LD 1711
Lab 1279
UKIP 466
Con 229
Green 67
I'm currently in rural Norfolk at a sale. My comfortable pub for a few days doesn't seem to service rice or pasta, let alone these new fangled grains. Quite a refreshing change tbh.
I'm more of a fan of lentils than keeeeen-whahhhhh....
Anecdotally Brexit has fired a lot of people up, membership surge, and is also handily uniting the party.
Yeoman Hill (Mansfield) result:
LAB: 45.7% (-4.5)
MIF: 24.3% (-25.5)
UKIP: 17.3% (+17.3)
CON: 6.7% (+6.7)
IND: 5.9% (+5.9)
MIF: Mansfield Independent Forum.
Oh, and seems to think all rights ever granted to British workers, mothers and fathers were EU diktats.
Parkside (Barrow-in-Furness) result:
LAB: 52.1% (-3.0)
CON: 42.3% (-2.6)
UKIP: 5.6% (+5.6)
Lab 317
Con 257
UKIP 34
Lab 278
MIF 148
UKIP 105
Con 41
Ind 36
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/08/europe/italy-supreme-court-masturbation/index.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3780047/Nearly-200-sexual-offences-carried-migrants-fellow-refugees-asylum-centres-just-one-German-state-six-months-politician-reveals.html
... Oh and the Mel Gibson treatment. What does your Will Shakespeare say to that?
UKIP 432
Con 215
Lab 183
Ind 88
LD 31
That's why Julius Caesar got a play, and Hannibal didn't.
Re Mel Gibson, I can't imagine why an alcoholic racist thought he'd be ideal to play a Scotsman.