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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    So a commie terrorist and paedo sympathiser...perfect Corbynista. The sooner the Labour Party get sensible folk back in the charge the better.
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    Mr. Urquhart, that VAT move by the EU was horrendous idiocy. It was meant to target Apple, but data gathering and tax-payments were so onerous micro-businesses (authors selling books direct or knitters selling knitting patterns, etc) either closed down or were pushed onto sites like Amazon, who handle all the bureaucracy for you.

    Then Dave wonders why we voted Brexit.

    Be insteresting to see what would halpen in RoI if they held an IRexit referendum in a couple of years.

    One thing is for sure, if sentiment in RoI turns against the EU it would be most foolish to try and frustrate the will of the people, after all as Jeremys mate said 'They haven't gone away you know'
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,352
    Don's article is a bit like those posts I used to do with anecdotes of constituents - but they were intended for fun. Don's sample of 1 seems to be intended seriously?

    I do know a few switchers too, mind, so I don't think Owen will be slaughtered. But he probably won't win.

    NB the voting has been going for some time, even though the Guardian seems to think it' just about to start.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    John_M said:

    Mr. Urquhart, that VAT move by the EU was horrendous idiocy. It was meant to target Apple, but data gathering and tax-payments were so onerous micro-businesses (authors selling books direct or knitters selling knitting patterns, etc) either closed down or were pushed onto sites like Amazon, who handle all the bureaucracy for you.

    It was and I was personally affected by it. I was fortunate enough that my EU business was significant that the cost could be absorbed and I bought off the shelf software to manage it for me plus some extra accountancy costs.

    It showed up the worst of the EU. The idea was fine, the execution terrible and no matter who pointed this out, the rule stood. One tiny change could have made it a reasonable regulation.
    VAT is one of the EU's worst ever inventions. Why didn't the UK make a fuss before it joined?

    A US-type retail sales tax could collect as much money for almost no cost. Business to business sales are outside the system.
    The US is the only OECD country not to have VAT or something very similar. It's not the EU's fault. Governments like consumption taxes.
    I thought US states had sales tax instead of VAT - is it not also a consumption tax?
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    LOL...Buttler has just hit a 6 into somebodies pint and knackered the ball.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    VAT is one of the EU's worst ever inventions. Why didn't the UK make a fuss before it joined?

    A US-type retail sales tax could collect as much money for almost no cost. Business to business sales are outside the system.

    VAT is an excellent tax, which is why so many countries around the world have adopted it or something very similar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sinister Farce
    Apple have struck back at the EU ruling by automatically downloading a new U2 album onto the iPhone of every commission employee.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. Bedfordshire, whilst indefensibly idiotic, I don't think the #VATmess had much impact (in an awareness sense) beyond those who either were or feared they might be affected.

    Before learning Amazon and similar sites were not a problem, I did wonder if I'd have to simply stop self-publishing. Because of some ignorant dick in Brussels.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
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    Buttler 53 from 22 balls...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    Good to see England accelerating from their steady start.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927

    Mr. Urquhart, that VAT move by the EU was horrendous idiocy. It was meant to target Apple, but data gathering and tax-payments were so onerous micro-businesses (authors selling books direct or knitters selling knitting patterns, etc) either closed down or were pushed onto sites like Amazon, who handle all the bureaucracy for you.

    That was a mess last year, led to lots of small businessmen lining up to vote leave in June! They had half a good idea but completely messed up the implementation, even if they'd said €10k or €20k allowance per year it would have still made a massive difference to the number of people affected.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    Mr. Urquhart, that VAT move by the EU was horrendous idiocy. It was meant to target Apple, but data gathering and tax-payments were so onerous micro-businesses (authors selling books direct or knitters selling knitting patterns, etc) either closed down or were pushed onto sites like Amazon, who handle all the bureaucracy for you.

    It was and I was personally affected by it. I was fortunate enough that my EU business was significant that the cost could be absorbed and I bought off the shelf software to manage it for me plus some extra accountancy costs.

    It showed up the worst of the EU. The idea was fine, the execution terrible and no matter who pointed this out, the rule stood. One tiny change could have made it a reasonable regulation.
    VAT is one of the EU's worst ever inventions. Why didn't the UK make a fuss before it joined?

    A US-type retail sales tax could collect as much money for almost no cost. Business to business sales are outside the system.
    The US is the only OECD country not to have VAT or something very similar. It's not the EU's fault. Governments like consumption taxes.
    I thought US states had sales tax instead of VAT - is it not also a consumption tax?
    As I understand it, the sales tax is just a state levy. There's not element of incomings and outgoings as there is with VAT, which essentially uses businesses as a private sector arm of HMRC. However, that's simply logic chopping, so I concede the point.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,106
    PlatoSaid said:

    Sinister Farce
    Apple have struck back at the EU ruling by automatically downloading a new U2 album onto the iPhone of every commission employee.

    With or without EU?
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    Mr. Bedfordshire, whilst indefensibly idiotic, I don't think the #VATmess had much impact (in an awareness sense) beyond those who either were or feared they might be affected.

    Before learning Amazon and similar sites were not a problem, I did wonder if I'd have to simply stop self-publishing. Because of some ignorant dick in Brussels.

    Its feeling that if they can do things like that, I may have escaped the hassle this time but when you have an out of control unnacountable bureaucracy that wont act with any common sense , what next?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited August 2016

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
    There is zero chance than any member of the present french government is going to be elected president in 2017.

    It's finance minister especially, in a country still mired in economic malaise and crisis.

    The only way Le Pen has a chance is facing a socialist.
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    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited August 2016
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
    There is zero chance than any member of the present french government is going to be elected president in 2017.

    It's finance minister especially, in a country still mired in economic malaise and crisis.

    The only way Le Pen has a chance is facing a socialist.
    Macron will run on a centrist, reformist platform not as the Socialist candidate, he actually polls better than Hollande and Sarkozy. If Hollande decides against running for another term you could even see Macron, Valls, Sarkozy and Juppe all running in round 1 for the chance to face Le Pen in round 2. If Hollande runs again swap him for Valls. Bayrou will also maybe run again as a centrist candidate with Melenchon the hard left candidate
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2016

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    I don’t think so, May ruled out a 2nd GE and Ref quite early on, some just need reminding.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    Jesus...this batting is just incredible. WASP predicting very close to highest score ever in ODI.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sinister Farce
    Apple have struck back at the EU ruling by automatically downloading a new U2 album onto the iPhone of every commission employee.

    With or without EU?
    :smiley:
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
    There is zero chance than any member of the present french government is going to be elected president in 2017.

    It's finance minister especially, in a country still mired in economic malaise and crisis.

    The only way Le Pen has a chance is facing a socialist.
    Macron will run on a centrist platform not as the Socialist candidate, he actually polls better than Hollande and Sarkozy. If Hollande decides against running for another term you could even see Macron, Valls, Sarkozy and Juppe all running in round 1 for the chance to face Le Pen in round 2. If Hollande runs again swap him for Valls
    The french socialists have around 15% in the polls, and are presiding over a historic collapse of the french state on the economy and security.

    They have zero chance.

    It's ironic that Corbyn's Labour is currently the largest centre-left party in the west.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    edited August 2016

    Jesus...this batting is just incredible. WASP predicting very close to highest score ever in ODI.

    England's own record is 408. That has no chance.

    100 run partnership in 7 overs!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited August 2016
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
    There is zero chance than any member of the present french government is going to be elected president in 2017.

    It's finance minister especially, in a country still mired in economic malaise and crisis.

    The only way Le Pen has a chance is facing a socialist.
    Macron will run on a centrist platform not as the Socialist candidate, he actually polls better than Hollande and Sarkozy. If Hollande decides against running for another term you could even see Macron, Valls, Sarkozy and Juppe all running in round 1 for the chance to face Le Pen in round 2. If Hollande runs again swap him for Valls
    The french socialists have around 15% in the polls, and are presiding over a historic collapse of the french state on the economy and security.

    They have zero chance.

    It's ironic that Corbyn's Labour is currently the largest centre-left party in the west.
    Macron polls over 20% and will run on an anti union and Blairite ticket as a centrist, only Hollande polls 15%, Valls also polls better. The Australian Labor Party, the Italian Democratic party, the Canadian Liberal Party and the U.S. Democrats also are polling higher than Corbyn Labour
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On another note, Gallup has Hillary at a one month low:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=POLITICS&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    71% of Democrats have a favourable opinion of Hillary.
    70% of Republicans have a favourable opinion of Trump.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Wonderful

    Telegraph Archives
    A General deplores the low tone of theatrical performances attended by servicemen. Less scantily-clad women please https://t.co/10p0ij8g2E
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    PlatoSaid said:

    Downing Street says tech giant 'welcome' to come to UK after EU orders Ireland to claw back £11bn

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/08/30/apple-ordered-to-pay-11bn-after-european-union-tax-investigation/

    :lol:
    Top Trolling Theresa.

    Should our new PM be nicknamed TTT or 3T from now on?
    T-Cube is so much more rap-hipster.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
    There is zero chance than any member of the present french government is going to be elected president in 2017.

    It's finance minister especially, in a country still mired in economic malaise and crisis.

    The only way Le Pen has a chance is facing a socialist.
    Macron will run on a centrist platform not as the Socialist candidate, he actually polls better than Hollande and Sarkozy. If Hollande decides against running for another term you could even see Macron, Valls, Sarkozy and Juppe all running in round 1 for the chance to face Le Pen in round 2. If Hollande runs again swap him for Valls
    The french socialists have around 15% in the polls, and are presiding over a historic collapse of the french state on the economy and security.

    They have zero chance.

    It's ironic that Corbyn's Labour is currently the largest centre-left party in the west.
    Macron polls over 20% and will run on an anti union and Blairite ticket as a centrist, only Hollande polls 15%, Valls also polls better. The Australian Labor Party, the Italian Democratic party, the Canadian Liberal Party and the U.S. Democrats also are polling higher than Corbyn Labour
    Point of order.

    The Canadian LIBERAL Party and the Democratic Party (Italian and US) are not centrer left on european terms.

    But I'll give you that you have to go all the way to Australia to find one in a better state.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    Patrick said:

    Mr. Patrick, point of order: the Ninth Circle of Hell is reportedly frigid.

    The Ninth Circle of Hell is the ladies section at Marks & Spencers - which seems adequately heated to me. (But totally inadequately 'seated'). Shops must know men generally hate shopping but don't offer seats. I reckon if M&S put a few sofas by the fitting rooms and got an alcohol licence they'd earn more from the bored husbands than those who must be obeyed.
    Shopping mall near me has IKEA with a Hard Rock Cafe next door. Go there on a Saturday to see a dozen guys on their own at the bar, proper husband crèche!

    I always say to the wife, if she wants to go to the big Sweedish store, I'll drive there and buy lunch, but she's driving home!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. Speedy, the Paullus/Varro army was the largest Rome had ever fielded (80,000 men, a quadruple consular army). All that meant was that there were even more corpses left after Hannibal had instructed them in tactics.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited August 2016
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
    There is zero chance than any member of the present french government is going to be elected president in 2017.

    It's finance minister especially, in a country still mired in economic malaise and crisis.

    The only way Le Pen has a chance is facing a socialist.
    Macron will run on a centrist platform not as the Socialist candidate, he actually polls better than Hollande and Sarkozy. If Hollande decides against running for another term you could even see Macron, Valls, Sarkozy and Juppe all running in round 1 for the chance to face Le Pen in round 2. If Hollande runs again swap him for Valls
    The french socialists have around 15% in the polls, and are presiding over a historic collapse of the french state on the economy and security.

    They have zero chance.

    It's ironic that Corbyn's Labour is currently the largest centre-left party in the west.
    Macron polls over 20% and will run on an anti union and Blairite ticket as a centrist, only Hollande polls 15%, Valls also polls better. The Australian Labor Party, the Italian Democratic party, the Canadian Liberal Party and the U.S. Democrats also are polling higher than Corbyn Labour
    Point of order.

    The Canadian LIBERAL Party and the Democratic Party (Italian and US) are not centrer left on european terms.

    But I'll give you that you have to go all the way to Australia to find one in a better state.
    The Canadian Liberals under Trudeau and the Democratic Party under Renzi are more centre left than Labour was under Blair when it last won a general election. We agree on Shorten Labor which nearly won the last election downunder
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    400 up....still 3 overs to go.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Front stab surely?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    400!!!
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221

    Don's article is a bit like those posts I used to do with anecdotes of constituents - but they were intended for fun. Don's sample of 1 seems to be intended seriously?

    I do know a few switchers too, mind, so I don't think Owen will be slaughtered. But he probably won't win.

    NB the voting has been going for some time, even though the Guardian seems to think it' just about to start.

    Mr P: you said this morning that you didn't think Corbyn's win was necessarily a given (I hope I'm summarizing you accurately). If you don't mind, why do you think that?
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Pathetic. Owen Smith is a joke. The sooner the leadership contest is over the better.
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    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Running scared of him wanting to talk about his 29 inch cock more like.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Front stab surely?
    Corbyn helped orchestrate Benn's leadership challenge to Kinnock
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    Boooooooo..wicket.

    Edit:- NO Ball...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Corbyn was never in the shadow cabinet, backbenchers have the right to rebel if they wish to.

    Shadow cabinet members, like ministers, are an appointed position of confidence.

    The equivalent of what Hilary Benn (and others) did to Corbyn would be if Boris conspired constantly and publicly to overthrow May from his Foreign Office position.

    If Boris had done that you would have called it backstabbing.

    People abusing their position of confidence to try to overthrow the person who appointed them is called backstabbing as far back in history as Brutus.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Boooooooo..wicket.

    Edit:- NO Ball...

    Heart of stone .... :smiley:
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Wonderful

    Telegraph Archives
    A General deplores the low tone of theatrical performances attended by servicemen. Less scantily-clad women please https://t.co/10p0ij8g2E

    He would have highly approved of Burkinis
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927

    Boooooooo..wicket.

    Edit:- NO Ball...

    When it's not your day...
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited August 2016
    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    As opposed to Smith who is a Running Dog (for lickspittle Eurofederalists)
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    Pakistan U11s might have a better chance of keeping the score down.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    I simply don't understand how so many Outs can be overturned on no balls. Do the bowlers not think about their feet?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Front stab surely?
    Corbyn helped orchestrate Benn's leadership challenge to Kinnock
    Not exactly stealthy. One thing you can say about Corbyn is that his disloyalty had been in plain sight. A model for others?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    You've said that before

    Corbyn dudnt bsckstab: he opposed them. Backstabbing implies an element of betrayal.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    edited August 2016
    @TSE is at the cricket today, isn't he? What a score, we could end up over 450 here!
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited August 2016

    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Running scared of him wanting to talk about his 29 inch cock more like.
    Does the 29 inch cock live on a shed on Jezzas allotment?

    https://goo.gl/images/7E4CuX
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Pathetic. Owen Smith is a joke. The sooner the leadership contest is over the better.
    I know he is, he is one of the worst campaigners I have ever seen.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
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    450 here we come....
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    Speedy said:

    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Pathetic. Owen Smith is a joke. The sooner the leadership contest is over the better.
    I know he is, he is one of the worst campaigners I have ever seen.
    His Euroravings are ensuring that non Trot working class members (if there are any left) who to a mwn voted Brexit will all vote for Jezza as well
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sandpit said:

    @TSE is at the cricket today, isn't he? What a score, we could end up over 450 here!

    Mrs JackW is distinctly not impressed .... She says 500 is par against this Pakistan team .... :smile:
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    450 here we come....

    Hillary's EC votes?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349
    edited August 2016
    6 to get off the final over for all time record.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097

    Speedy said:

    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Pathetic. Owen Smith is a joke. The sooner the leadership contest is over the better.
    I know he is, he is one of the worst campaigners I have ever seen.
    His Euroravings are ensuring that non Trot working class members (if there are any left) who to a mwn voted Brexit will all vote for Jezza as well
    All 2 of them!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Running scared of him wanting to talk about his 29 inch cock more like.
    Does the 29 inch cock live on a shed on Jezzas allotment?

    https://goo.gl/images/7E4CuX
    According to Owen Smith it is somewhere on the inside of his legs:

    https://twitter.com/tomlgsound101/status/770578734558638080
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    Come on stop batting for your average ;-)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Corbyn was never in the shadow cabinet, backbenchers have the right to rebel if they wish to.

    Shadow cabinet members, like ministers, are an appointed position of confidence.

    The equivalent of what Hilary Benn (and others) did to Corbyn would be if Boris conspired constantly and publicly to overthrow May from his Foreign Office position.

    If Boris had done that you would have called it backstabbing.

    People abusing their position of confidence to try to overthrow the person who appointed them is called backstabbing as far back in history as Brutus.
    No, if you resign from the Shadow Cabinet as Smith did you have every right to challenge the leader. IDS was in the same boat as Corbyn, his lack of loyalty to Major meant Tory MPs felt no loyalty to him
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    I'm watching dot balls./???
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    Seriously I've switched to watch the last over and it is almost a maiden..
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    Booooooooooooooooo.........not good enough in that last over. Bloody batting for their averages.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Speedy said:

    On another note, Gallup has Hillary at a one month low:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=POLITICS&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    71% of Democrats have a favourable opinion of Hillary.
    70% of Republicans have a favourable opinion of Trump.

    Polls still show a consistent Hillary Lead though (USC/ LA Times excepted). Trump's chances (according to Nate) have dropped from 27% to 26.2%

    What DT needs is a few state polls showing swings towards him.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    444 for 3 - impressive
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    edited August 2016
    Got it!!!
    Highest 50-over international score of all time, 444/3 for England :D
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited August 2016
    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Front stab surely?
    Corbyn helped orchestrate Benn's leadership challenge to Kinnock
    Not exactly stealthy. One thing you can say about Corbyn is that his disloyalty had been in plain sight. A model for others?
    Corbyn manoeuvred behind the scenes against Kinnock, the elected leader of the party
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    Brexit cricket!!!
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    England 444-3 - World ODI record for total score and boundaries.

    Would have been better but Root held things back.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,349

    444 for 3 - impressive

    I fancy their chances of defending that.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    edited August 2016
    England should set the field up like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFKTNgqLVA for the Pakistan innings.

    Or 8 slips :)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    You've said that before

    Corbyn dudnt bsckstab: he opposed them. Backstabbing implies an element of betrayal.
    Corbyn backstabbed Hillary Benn and Remain, 'I am only 70% pro EU' which is why he is in this mess in the first place
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Front stab surely?
    Corbyn helped orchestrate Benn's leadership challenge to Kinnock
    Not exactly stealthy. One thing you can say about Corbyn is that his disloyalty had been in plain sight. A model for others?
    Corbyn manoeuvred behind the scenes against Kinnock, the elected leader of the party
    Behind the scenes, in front of the scenes, on the telly, in the press, in the lobbies, everywhere and anywhere.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    LOL! Sky interviewer to Alex Hales: "So, have you done enough?"
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    Front stab surely?
    Corbyn helped orchestrate Benn's leadership challenge to Kinnock
    Not exactly stealthy. One thing you can say about Corbyn is that his disloyalty had been in plain sight. A model for others?
    Corbyn manoeuvred behind the scenes against Kinnock, the elected leader of the party
    Behind the scenes, in front of the scenes, on the telly, in the press, in the lobbies, everywhere and anywhere.
    He was plotting a coup against Kinnock from the moment Kinnock was elected leader
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,194
    The party's over at Santander :(

    http://tinyurl.com/zpq5rkz
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    weejonnie said:

    Speedy said:

    On another note, Gallup has Hillary at a one month low:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=POLITICS&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    71% of Democrats have a favourable opinion of Hillary.
    70% of Republicans have a favourable opinion of Trump.

    Polls still show a consistent Hillary Lead though (USC/ LA Times excepted). Trump's chances (according to Nate) have dropped from 27% to 26.2%

    What DT needs is a few state polls showing swings towards him.
    I agree Trump's chances are low, because I don't have trust that he has the discipline and the brains to perform on the debates and the campaign trail for another 2 months.

    Also voting starts in 3 weeks.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    John_M said:
    14/15, with a couple of lucky guesses.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    John_M said:
    The way Theresa May keeps saying NO, she ought to be the one called Smith (as in Ian)
    https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/78515/owen-smith-theresa-may-running-scared-over-brexit

    titter... that's all I can say. Not sure how she is running scared.
    Running scared of him wanting to talk about his 29 inch cock more like.
    Does the 29 inch cock live on a shed on Jezzas allotment?

    https://goo.gl/images/7E4CuX
    According to Owen Smith it is somewhere on the inside of his legs:

    https://twitter.com/tomlgsound101/status/770578734558638080
    Labour are really scraping the bottom of the barrel with Smith. A man whose best attempt at humour consists of making dick jokes is not fit to lead a local association let alone the party.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    edited August 2016
    tlg86 said:

    The party's over at Santander :(

    http://tinyurl.com/zpq5rkz

    Someone's sums really don't add up!!

    However, the cost of dishing out the interest is setting Santander back by £1billion a year, according to the Financial Times.

    It claims that the account pays on average 2.3 per cent on a total of £5billion customers have deposited.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    tlg86 said:

    The party's over at Santander :(

    http://tinyurl.com/zpq5rkz

    There is 5k Lloyds 4%, TSB 5% 2k, Nationwide 5% 2.5k (Only one year mind) and regular savers at TSB, FD, Lloyds and Nationwide.

    Santander useful for anything over 20k you wanted FSCS protected I guess.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Speedy said:

    weejonnie said:

    Speedy said:

    On another note, Gallup has Hillary at a one month low:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=POLITICS&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    71% of Democrats have a favourable opinion of Hillary.
    70% of Republicans have a favourable opinion of Trump.

    Polls still show a consistent Hillary Lead though (USC/ LA Times excepted). Trump's chances (according to Nate) have dropped from 27% to 26.2%

    What DT needs is a few state polls showing swings towards him.
    I agree Trump's chances are low, because I don't have trust that he has the discipline and the brains to perform on the debates and the campaign trail for another 2 months.

    Also voting starts in 3 weeks.
    One of the peculiarities of the Nate system is the use of probability curves - at the moment Trumps peak is at the bottom of Hillary's band - hence the low probability. However due to the nature of the curves (normalish), any further closing of the gap will result in a disproportionately higher increase in Trump's chances.

    Trump probably hoping for the 'shy trumper' effect and polls missing out that many of the unlikely voters are actually going to vote republican.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited August 2016
    NBC says it all really

    http://www.nbcnews.com/card/trump-leads-clinton-17-0-2016-press-conferences-n640091

    Donald Trump's campaign continues to send daily email reminders about the number of days since Hillary Clinton last held a press conference. Today's email is headlined: "HIDING HILLARY: DAY 269."

    So just how many press conferences has Trump done in 2016? According to a tally by NBC News, that number is 17.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2016
    PlatoSaid said:
    I got 14/15 although that included a couple of correct guesses. The Ordinary World question was a bit silly since that phrase was included in the lyrics given. My wrong answer was the Tiffany question.

    Actually, Ordinary World was a 90s song from Duran Duran...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    weejonnie said:

    Speedy said:

    weejonnie said:

    Speedy said:

    On another note, Gallup has Hillary at a one month low:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=POLITICS&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    71% of Democrats have a favourable opinion of Hillary.
    70% of Republicans have a favourable opinion of Trump.

    Polls still show a consistent Hillary Lead though (USC/ LA Times excepted). Trump's chances (according to Nate) have dropped from 27% to 26.2%

    What DT needs is a few state polls showing swings towards him.
    I agree Trump's chances are low, because I don't have trust that he has the discipline and the brains to perform on the debates and the campaign trail for another 2 months.

    Also voting starts in 3 weeks.
    One of the peculiarities of the Nate system is the use of probability curves - at the moment Trumps peak is at the bottom of Hillary's band - hence the low probability. However due to the nature of the curves (normalish), any further closing of the gap will result in a disproportionately higher increase in Trump's chances.

    Trump probably hoping for the 'shy trumper' effect and polls missing out that many of the unlikely voters are actually going to vote republican.
    If there is a huge jump in turnout (But not in say NY City) then that could be v v telling (Like Brexit). If it is regular or depressed turnout, Hillary will waltz it.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,194
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    The party's over at Santander :(

    http://tinyurl.com/zpq5rkz

    Someone's sums really don't add up!!
    However, the cost of dishing out the interest is setting Santander back by £1billion a year, according to the Financial Times.

    It claims that the account pays on average 2.3 per cent on a total of £5billion customers have deposited.
    The letter I received today says:

    We've recently reviewed our current accounts and need to make changes to your 1|2|3 Current Account. These changes are due to the market expectation that interest rates will stay lower for longer, compounded by increased costs brought about by changes in the banking industry.

    I've had my account since July 2013 so I did okay out of them.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    AndyJS said:

    PlatoSaid said:
    I got 14/15 although that included a couple of correct guesses. The Ordinary World question was a bit silly since that phrase was included in the lyrics given. My wrong answer was the Tiffany question.

    Actually, Ordinary World was a 90s song from Duran Duran...
    Was the question "Do you think you're alone now ?"
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    O/T @rcs1000's favourite French minister Emmanuel Macron is resigning.

    Macron's decision to resign as Finance Minister and run for president is significant, he polls higher than Hollande and has a real chance, especially if Hollande does not seek re-election. He or Juppe must be the favourites to face Marine Le Pen in the second round and probably become the next French President, although if Sarkozy wins the Les Republicains nomination he also has a shot. Will be interesting to see what PM Valls does too
    There is zero chance than any member of the present french government is going to be elected president in 2017.

    It's finance minister especially, in a country still mired in economic malaise and crisis.

    The only way Le Pen has a chance is facing a socialist.
    Macron will run on a centrist platform not as the Socialist candidate, he actually polls better than Hollande and Sarkozy. If Hollande decides against running for another term you could even see Macron, Valls, Sarkozy and Juppe all running in round 1 for the chance to face Le Pen in round 2. If Hollande runs again swap him for Valls
    The french socialists have around 15% in the polls, and are presiding over a historic collapse of the french state on the economy and security.

    They have zero chance.

    It's ironic that Corbyn's Labour is currently the largest centre-left party in the west.
    Um, what's anything 'centre' about Corbyn's Labour?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    PlatoSaid said:
    I got 14/15 although that included a couple of correct guesses. The Ordinary World question was a bit silly since that phrase was included in the lyrics given. My wrong answer was the Tiffany question.

    Actually, Ordinary World was a 90s song from Duran Duran...
    Was the question "Do you think you're alone now ?"
    The serial killer song...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,954
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    The party's over at Santander :(

    http://tinyurl.com/zpq5rkz

    Someone's sums really don't add up!!
    However, the cost of dishing out the interest is setting Santander back by £1billion a year, according to the Financial Times.

    It claims that the account pays on average 2.3 per cent on a total of £5billion customers have deposited.
    The letter I received today says:

    We've recently reviewed our current accounts and need to make changes to your 1|2|3 Current Account. These changes are due to the market expectation that interest rates will stay lower for longer, compounded by increased costs brought about by changes in the banking industry.

    I've had my account since July 2013 so I did okay out of them.

    Well, time to earn some "switching" bonuses :D
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Pulpstar said:

    weejonnie said:

    Speedy said:

    weejonnie said:

    Speedy said:

    On another note, Gallup has Hillary at a one month low:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=POLITICS&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

    71% of Democrats have a favourable opinion of Hillary.
    70% of Republicans have a favourable opinion of Trump.

    Polls still show a consistent Hillary Lead though (USC/ LA Times excepted). Trump's chances (according to Nate) have dropped from 27% to 26.2%

    What DT needs is a few state polls showing swings towards him.
    I agree Trump's chances are low, because I don't have trust that he has the discipline and the brains to perform on the debates and the campaign trail for another 2 months.

    Also voting starts in 3 weeks.
    One of the peculiarities of the Nate system is the use of probability curves - at the moment Trumps peak is at the bottom of Hillary's band - hence the low probability. However due to the nature of the curves (normalish), any further closing of the gap will result in a disproportionately higher increase in Trump's chances.

    Trump probably hoping for the 'shy trumper' effect and polls missing out that many of the unlikely voters are actually going to vote republican.
    If there is a huge jump in turnout (But not in say NY City) then that could be v v telling (Like Brexit). If it is regular or depressed turnout, Hillary will waltz it.
    Agree - LVs (those who have voted 2+ out of the last 4 elections) seem relatively solid leaning Blue - but look at http://www.flchamber.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Memo_Low-Propensity-Voters-Likely-to-Create-Big-Surprises-on-Primary-Election-Night_082516.pdf - the primaries are being held today so the effect of the low propensity voters should be available soon.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Miss Cyclefree, Eagle's unimpressive, but I agree. She would've been better.

    Smith's bloody awful.

    Where's Benn? Cooper? Johnson?

    Eagle, Benn, Cooper and Johnson all voted for the Iraq War and are linked to New Labour and would have no chance with the present Labour membership and registered supporters. Smith only has a chance because he did not vote for the Iraq War and is campaigning on a Corbynlite platform
    Their problem is that their record and their policies are unacceptable, and they are backstabbers.

    Smith's problem is that he is terrible as a campaigner and he's a backstabber.

    On balance they are unelectable for different reasons, backstabbing is their only common link.
    Corbyn of course is a champion backstabber, having backstabbed Kinnock, Blair and Brown
    You've said that before

    Corbyn dudnt bsckstab: he opposed them. Backstabbing implies an element of betrayal.
    Corbyn backstabbed Hillary Benn and Remain, 'I am only 70% pro EU' which is why he is in this mess in the first place
    He was never committed to Remain.

    You seem to have a problem with the difference between disagreement and backstabbing
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