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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Arizona - OH Predictive Insights

    Clinton 40 .. Trump 39

    http://email.connectstrategic.com/t/j-73630F4BD52B12D8
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has?

    Len McCluskey?
    Even McCluskey worked for the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company for 11 years
    Mersey Docks to Monte Carlo..the lad has come along way.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    taffys said:

    ''Again, why is Tristram Hunt a Labour MP ?
    And an MP for Stoke Central ?''

    Both are conundrums, I'll grant you.

    Surely people with the opinions of Tristram Hunt should be candidates in rural Oxfordshire, not an inner city.

    If Labour really want Hunt in the party he should be sent to Chipping Norton where he is in tune with the locals, instead of losing piles of votes in Stoke.
    Islington South, Westminster North, Hove, Cambridge, Exeter, Bristol West would all be good fits.
    Indeed, some of Labour's suffering is from putting the wrong people in the wrong constituencies.

    Lefties should be put in inner cities, the blairites in rural and wealthy areas, and the soft left in middle class suburbs.

    Putting a Blairite in an inner city or a Lefty in a village will rub the wrong way.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    A friend of mine left school with no qualifications at all and started a small business. He sold it for £8 million.

    But somehow I don't think Corbyn would have been able to do that. It required hard work, skill, and luck.
    Plenty of entrepreneurs have, the only thing Corbyn has ever helped start and built up are the Socialist Campaign Group and Momentum!
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    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyhoo, assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow there will be a thread written by me saying Jeremy Corbyn is awesome.

    Is that on the basis of AV?
    There is an oblique reference to AV in the piece.
    Why TSE, with these AV references you are really spoiling us!
    And I've got a full fat electoral reform thread coming up in the next week.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyhoo, assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow there will be a thread written by me saying Jeremy Corbyn is awesome.

    Is that on the basis of AV?
    There is an oblique reference to AV in the piece.
    Why TSE, with these AV references you are really spoiling us!
    And I've got a full fat electoral reform thread coming up in the next week.
    Here's hoping for some subtle train references in that one.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    Yet despite all that he doesn't look or behave like a rich man.
    He has been criticized for wearing the clothes of a tramp, having an allotment, and for making his own Jam.
    "On the BBC's Newsnight in 1984, Corbyn was invited to discuss the House of Commons' dress code, during which broadcast Conservative MP Terry Dicks asserted that so-called Labour scruffs (such as Corbyn, who at this time was known for wearing open-necked shirts to the Commons[37]) should be banned from addressing the House unless they maintained higher standards. Corbyn responded, saying that: "It's not a fashion parade, it's not a gentleman's club, it's not a bankers' institute, it's a place where the people are represented."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyhoo, assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow there will be a thread written by me saying Jeremy Corbyn is awesome.

    Is that on the basis of AV?
    There is an oblique reference to AV in the piece.
    Why TSE, with these AV references you are really spoiling us!
    And I've got a full fat electoral reform thread coming up in the next week.
    Here's hoping for some subtle train references in that one.
    FPTP is heading for the buffers.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyhoo, assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow there will be a thread written by me saying Jeremy Corbyn is awesome.

    Is that on the basis of AV?
    There is an oblique reference to AV in the piece.
    Why TSE, with these AV references you are really spoiling us!
    And I've got a full fat electoral reform thread coming up in the next week.
    Here's hoping for some subtle train references in that one.
    FPTP is heading for the buffers.
    Not sure that there's any way to buff FPTP, it's already pretty darned good. :D
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited August 2016

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has?

    Len McCluskey?
    Even McCluskey worked for the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company for 11 years
    Mersey Docks to Monte Carlo..the lad has come along way.
    Yes, 'do as I say not as I do' applies very well in his case!
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    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Anyhoo, assuming nothing major happens, tomorrow there will be a thread written by me saying Jeremy Corbyn is awesome.

    Is that on the basis of AV?
    There is an oblique reference to AV in the piece.
    Why TSE, with these AV references you are really spoiling us!
    And I've got a full fat electoral reform thread coming up in the next week.
    Here's hoping for some subtle train references in that one.
    FPTP is heading for the buffers.
    Not sure that there's any way to buff FPTP, it's already pretty darned good. :D
    The closer to the Corbyn is awesome thread is my finest bit of PB writing.

    Even better than when I compared Cameron's decision to hold the EURef was a bit like making home made porn.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    Yet despite all that he doesn't look or behave like a rich man.
    He has been criticized for wearing the clothes of a tramp, having an allotment, and for making his own Jam.
    "On the BBC's Newsnight in 1984, Corbyn was invited to discuss the House of Commons' dress code, during which broadcast Conservative MP Terry Dicks asserted that so-called Labour scruffs (such as Corbyn, who at this time was known for wearing open-necked shirts to the Commons[37]) should be banned from addressing the House unless they maintained higher standards. Corbyn responded, saying that: "It's not a fashion parade, it's not a gentleman's club, it's not a bankers' institute, it's a place where the people are represented."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg
    And quite right too!
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Using UNS based seat predictor with Corbyn in charge of Labour is not going to work out well for predictions.

    Add in recent times, polling at GEs have tended to overestimate Labour.

    I feel a thread coming on....
    Not in 2010 - 1983 or February 1974.
    So only three times in the last 42 years? Or only three times in the last eleven general elections. You're making my points for me.
    2005 was pretty close to the outcome. 1997 ICM underestimated the Labour lead.
    Probably the only polling company to do so!
    Yes - but for so long it was seen as the Gold Standard! A week before Polling Day ICM caused panic in Labour ranks by showing its lead drop to 5%. Its final poll showing a Labour 10% lead was still 3% too low.
    So we can agree that almost all polls overstated Labour in 97? ;)
    Indeed - particularly Gallup and NOP neither of which we hear from nowadays.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited August 2016
    Speedy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    taffys said:

    ''Again, why is Tristram Hunt a Labour MP ?
    And an MP for Stoke Central ?''

    Both are conundrums, I'll grant you.

    Surely people with the opinions of Tristram Hunt should be candidates in rural Oxfordshire, not an inner city.

    If Labour really want Hunt in the party he should be sent to Chipping Norton where he is in tune with the locals, instead of losing piles of votes in Stoke.
    Islington South, Westminster North, Hove, Cambridge, Exeter, Bristol West would all be good fits.
    Indeed, some of Labour's suffering is from putting the wrong people in the wrong constituencies.

    Lefties should be put in inner cities, the blairites in rural and wealthy areas, and the soft left in middle class suburbs.

    Putting a Blairite in an inner city or a Lefty in a village will rub the wrong way.
    Rural areas will hardly ever vote Labour anyway and certainly not for a Blairite, someone with an agricultural background would be far more sensible, Blairites are better off in wealthy areas as you say, preferably in the metropolis
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    Yet despite all that he doesn't look or behave like a rich man.
    He has been criticized for wearing the clothes of a tramp, having an allotment, and for making his own Jam.
    "On the BBC's Newsnight in 1984, Corbyn was invited to discuss the House of Commons' dress code, during which broadcast Conservative MP Terry Dicks asserted that so-called Labour scruffs (such as Corbyn, who at this time was known for wearing open-necked shirts to the Commons[37]) should be banned from addressing the House unless they maintained higher standards. Corbyn responded, saying that: "It's not a fashion parade, it's not a gentleman's club, it's not a bankers' institute, it's a place where the people are represented."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg
    Well, he does have a bit of a point, although how people present themselves has an impact even when it shouldn't. The Commons represents the people, but it is not and never has been a perfect microcosm of how they look, act, dress or anything else, it is not necessary in order to represent the people to create a simulacrum of representation, should there be a mandated number of shire tories stomping in with muddy farmer's boots, and no more than that as it would not be represented?

    Maybe requiring a shirt and tie is too extreme a code, maybe, although one of the counters to that is it is a job and appearance in the commons is one of the most formal aspects of that job, and people in jobs usually have some expectations of dress and appearance. People are not merely represented in the chamber, they are represented on all sorts of occasions outside of it when the MP might not feel the need to dress more formally.

    IIRC Cromwell was mocked for his plain clothes when he went to parliament.

    Erskine May says female Lords can wear hats. You're not supposed to attend Her Majesty with a stick or umbrella with you. Cannot wear military insignia or uniform. Wearing jacket and tie is custom for men but not always enforced.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    tlg86 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    Yet despite all that he doesn't look or behave like a rich man.
    He has been criticized for wearing the clothes of a tramp, having an allotment, and for making his own Jam.
    "On the BBC's Newsnight in 1984, Corbyn was invited to discuss the House of Commons' dress code, during which broadcast Conservative MP Terry Dicks asserted that so-called Labour scruffs (such as Corbyn, who at this time was known for wearing open-necked shirts to the Commons[37]) should be banned from addressing the House unless they maintained higher standards. Corbyn responded, saying that: "It's not a fashion parade, it's not a gentleman's club, it's not a bankers' institute, it's a place where the people are represented."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg
    And quite right too!
    He was fully representative of the Tramp vote!
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    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Using UNS based seat predictor with Corbyn in charge of Labour is not going to work out well for predictions.

    Add in recent times, polling at GEs have tended to overestimate Labour.

    I feel a thread coming on....
    Not in 2010 - 1983 or February 1974.
    So only three times in the last 42 years? Or only three times in the last eleven general elections. You're making my points for me.
    2005 was pretty close to the outcome. 1997 ICM underestimated the Labour lead.
    Probably the only polling company to do so!
    Yes - but for so long it was seen as the Gold Standard! A week before Polling Day ICM caused panic in Labour ranks by showing its lead drop to 5%. Its final poll showing a Labour 10% lead was still 3% too low.
    So we can agree that almost all polls overstated Labour in 97? ;)
    Indeed - particularly Gallup and NOP neither of which we hear from nowadays.
    Actually NOP helps produce the most important poll in the UK
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,290
    nunu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    @SouthamObserver : A really intriguing thread header, Joff, and I am about to read the comments with great interest.

    Good evening, everyone.

    Lol. I just come here for the comments. ;)

    There needs to be a button that goes straight to the first comment.
    Try accessing it from politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Interesting move. Wonder if Twitter.com will stop farting around with trending topics now in response.

    It's laughable censorship when they do. So bleeding obvious

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1690785/facebook-reaches-out-to-right-wingers-with-vow-to-stamp-out-alleged-political-bias/
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    madasafishmadasafish Posts: 659
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    A friend of mine left school with no qualifications at all and started a small business. He sold it for £8 million.

    But somehow I don't think Corbyn would have been able to do that. It required hard work, skill, and luck.
    Plenty of entrepreneurs have, the only thing Corbyn has ever helped start and built up are the Socialist Campaign Group and Momentum!
    Err Stop the War?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    2016 Cambridge local Election results (2015 in brackets)

    Labour 47% (36%)
    LibDems 26% (35%)
    Cons 11% (16%)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    Yet despite all that he doesn't look or behave like a rich man.
    He has been criticized for wearing the clothes of a tramp, having an allotment, and for making his own Jam.
    "On the BBC's Newsnight in 1984, Corbyn was invited to discuss the House of Commons' dress code, during which broadcast Conservative MP Terry Dicks asserted that so-called Labour scruffs (such as Corbyn, who at this time was known for wearing open-necked shirts to the Commons[37]) should be banned from addressing the House unless they maintained higher standards. Corbyn responded, saying that: "It's not a fashion parade, it's not a gentleman's club, it's not a bankers' institute, it's a place where the people are represented."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg
    Well, he does have a bit of a point, although how people present themselves has an impact even when it shouldn't. The Commons represents the people, but it is not and never has been a perfect microcosm of how they look, act, dress or anything else, it is not necessary in order to represent the people to create a simulacrum of representation, should there be a mandated number of shire tories stomping in with muddy farmer's boots, and no more than that as it would not be represented?

    Maybe requiring a shirt and tie is too extreme a code, maybe, although one of the counters to that is it is a job and appearance in the commons is one of the most formal aspects of that job, and people in jobs usually have some expectations of dress and appearance. People are not merely represented in the chamber, they are represented on all sorts of occasions outside of it when the MP might not feel the need to dress more formally.

    IIRC Cromwell was mocked for his plain clothes when he went to parliament.

    Erskine May says female Lords can wear hats. You're not supposed to attend Her Majesty with a stick or umbrella with you. Cannot wear military insignia or uniform. Wearing jacket and tie is custom for men but not always enforced.

    Certainly formal wear is not absolutely necessary at all times but as you say MPs are meant to set an example not be representative of their voters' everyday where, otherwise we could end up with MPs in the nude to represent the nudist vote!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited August 2016

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leading Labour and being the official opposition leader is not only good for Corbyn's brand of socialism but also his bank balance, what other person with 2 E grade A Levels, no degree and no work experience outside trade unions and the Labour Party would earn £138,000 a year, live in a £600,000 house and have a £2 million pension pot as Corbyn has? Corbyn has managed to profit from his socialism in a way any capitalist would be proud of!

    A friend of mine left school with no qualifications at all and started a small business. He sold it for £8 million.

    But somehow I don't think Corbyn would have been able to do that. It required hard work, skill, and luck.
    Plenty of entrepreneurs have, the only thing Corbyn has ever helped start and built up are the Socialist Campaign Group and Momentum!
    Err Stop the War?
    Yes, a great example of commercial entrepreneurship
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    JackW said:

    Arizona - OH Predictive Insights

    Clinton 40 .. Trump 39

    http://email.connectstrategic.com/t/j-73630F4BD52B12D8

    Jill Stein support looks key there.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Corbyn and his cronies really aren't interested in the constitution or possibly even real democracy.

    God help us if they ever got power.
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    Floater said:

    Corbyn and his cronies really aren't interested in the constitution or possibly even real democracy.

    God help us if they ever got power.

    If he does, you won't be allowed to express those kind of opinions of the Messiah...
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    taffys said:

    ''Again, why is Tristram Hunt a Labour MP ?
    And an MP for Stoke Central ?''

    Both are conundrums, I'll grant you.

    Surely people with the opinions of Tristram Hunt should be candidates in rural Oxfordshire, not an inner city.

    If Labour really want Hunt in the party he should be sent to Chipping Norton where he is in tune with the locals, instead of losing piles of votes in Stoke.
    Islington South, Westminster North, Hove, Cambridge, Exeter, Bristol West would all be good fits.
    Indeed, some of Labour's suffering is from putting the wrong people in the wrong constituencies.

    Lefties should be put in inner cities, the blairites in rural and wealthy areas, and the soft left in middle class suburbs.

    Putting a Blairite in an inner city or a Lefty in a village will rub the wrong way.
    Rural areas will hardly ever vote Labour anyway and certainly not for a Blairite, someone with an agricultural background would be far more sensible, Blairites are better off in wealthy areas as you say, preferably in the metropolis
    Chipping Norton is actually quite a working class place that often elects Labour councillors.
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    Floater said:

    Corbyn and his cronies really aren't interested in the constitution or possibly even real democracy.

    God help us if they ever got power.

    You needn't worry yourself about that.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016

    Floater said:

    Corbyn and his cronies really aren't interested in the constitution or possibly even real democracy.

    God help us if they ever got power.

    You needn't worry yourself about that.

    What do you mean.....Paul Mason thinks he is a shoe in if only people stop playing silly buggers.

    Labour shadow cabinet ministers resigned en masse because they were afraid Jeremy Corbyn would win an election, it was claimed this morning.

    Journalist-turned Labour activist Paul Mason said members of Mr Corbyn's top team had co-ordinated the mass walkout because they feared it was their "last chance" to unseat him before a "winnable" general election.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-shadow-ministers-resigned-because-8722027
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259

    Floater said:

    Corbyn and his cronies really aren't interested in the constitution or possibly even real democracy.

    God help us if they ever got power.

    You needn't worry yourself about that.

    What do you mean.....Paul Mason thinks he is a shoe in if only people stop playing silly buggers.

    Labour shadow cabinet ministers resigned en masse because they were afraid Jeremy Corbyn would win an election, it was claimed this morning.

    Journalist-turned Labour activist Paul Mason said members of Mr Corbyn's top team had co-ordinated the mass walkout because they feared it was their "last chance" to unseat him before a "winnable" general election.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-shadow-ministers-resigned-because-8722027
    Clearly Paul Mason doesn't understand the electoral system or niche subjects such as marginal seat.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited August 2016
    runnymede said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    taffys said:

    ''Again, why is Tristram Hunt a Labour MP ?
    And an MP for Stoke Central ?''

    Both are conundrums, I'll grant you.

    Surely people with the opinions of Tristram Hunt should be candidates in rural Oxfordshire, not an inner city.

    If Labour really want Hunt in the party he should be sent to Chipping Norton where he is in tune with the locals, instead of losing piles of votes in Stoke.
    Islington South, Westminster North, Hove, Cambridge, Exeter, Bristol West would all be good fits.
    Indeed, some of Labour's suffering is from putting the wrong people in the wrong constituencies.

    Lefties should be put in inner cities, the blairites in rural and wealthy areas, and the soft left in middle class suburbs.

    Putting a Blairite in an inner city or a Lefty in a village will rub the wrong way.
    Rural areas will hardly ever vote Labour anyway and certainly not for a Blairite, someone with an agricultural background would be far more sensible, Blairites are better off in wealthy areas as you say, preferably in the metropolis
    Chipping Norton is actually quite a working class place that often elects Labour councillors.
    Chipping Norton is in the Witney constituency which has always elected a Tory MP although from 1999-2001 it had a Labour MP after Sean Woodward defected before moving to the safe Labour seat of St Helens after which David Cameron was elected the MP. It is also in West Oxfordshire District Council which presently has 41 Tory councillors and just 4 from Labour
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    Scott_P said:
    Mason appears to be having some mid life crisis...while most men go and buy a penis extension sports car and try and pick up younger ladies...instead he seems to have resorted to spouting utter nonsense about Corbyn the Messiah.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    justin124 said:

    2016 Cambridge local Election results (2015 in brackets)

    Labour 47% (36%)
    LibDems 26% (35%)
    Cons 11% (16%)

    Cambridge is the kind of constituency in which a Corbyn-led Labour Party will do very well.
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    Scott_P said:
    Mason appears to be having some mid life crisis...while most men go and buy a penis extension sports car and try and pick up younger ladies...instead he seems to have resorted to spouting utter nonsense about Corbyn the Messiah.
    Is that a 29" sports car?

    :lol:
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    HYUFD said:

    runnymede said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    taffys said:

    ''Again, why is Tristram Hunt a Labour MP ?
    And an MP for Stoke Central ?''

    Both are conundrums, I'll grant you.

    Surely people with the opinions of Tristram Hunt should be candidates in rural Oxfordshire, not an inner city.

    If Labour really want Hunt in the party he should be sent to Chipping Norton where he is in tune with the locals, instead of losing piles of votes in Stoke.
    Islington South, Westminster North, Hove, Cambridge, Exeter, Bristol West would all be good fits.
    Indeed, some of Labour's suffering is from putting the wrong people in the wrong constituencies.

    Lefties should be put in inner cities, the blairites in rural and wealthy areas, and the soft left in middle class suburbs.

    Putting a Blairite in an inner city or a Lefty in a village will rub the wrong way.
    Rural areas will hardly ever vote Labour anyway and certainly not for a Blairite, someone with an agricultural background would be far more sensible, Blairites are better off in wealthy areas as you say, preferably in the metropolis
    Chipping Norton is actually quite a working class place that often elects Labour councillors.
    Chipping Norton is in the Witney constituency which has always elected a Tory MP although from 1999-2001 it had a Labour MP after Sean Woodward defected before moving to the safe Labour seat of St Helens after which David Cameron was elected the MP. It is also in West Oxfordshire District Council which presently has 41 Tory councillors and just 4 from Labour
    Yes I know all of that thanks. It in no way alters my observation.

    The notion that Chipping Norton is some super-gilded hangout of the very rich is wrong. The town itself is not like that, even if some of the villages around it are.
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    Scott_P said:
    Mason appears to be having some mid life crisis...while most men go and buy a penis extension sports car and try and pick up younger ladies...instead he seems to have resorted to spouting utter nonsense about Corbyn the Messiah.
    Is that a 29" sports car?

    :lol:
    Have you seen his tiny hands ;-)
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259

    justin124 said:

    2016 Cambridge local Election results (2015 in brackets)

    Labour 47% (36%)
    LibDems 26% (35%)
    Cons 11% (16%)

    Cambridge is the kind of constituency in which a Corbyn-led Labour Party will do very well.
    a rare breed.
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    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Using UNS based seat predictor with Corbyn in charge of Labour is not going to work out well for predictions.

    Add in recent times, polling at GEs have tended to overestimate Labour.

    I feel a thread coming on....
    Not in 2010 - 1983 or February 1974.
    So only three times in the last 42 years? Or only three times in the last eleven general elections. You're making my points for me.
    2005 was pretty close to the outcome. 1997 ICM underestimated the Labour lead.
    Probably the only polling company to do so!
    Yes - but for so long it was seen as the Gold Standard! A week before Polling Day ICM caused panic in Labour ranks by showing its lead drop to 5%. Its final poll showing a Labour 10% lead was still 3% too low.
    So we can agree that almost all polls overstated Labour in 97? ;)
    Indeed - particularly Gallup and NOP neither of which we hear from nowadays.
    Actually NOP helps produce the most important poll in the UK
    Accrington Stanley NOP? Who are they?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    runnymede said:

    HYUFD said:

    runnymede said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    taffys said:

    ''Again, why is Tristram Hunt a Labour MP ?
    And an MP for Stoke Central ?''

    Both are conundrums, I'll grant you.

    Surely people with the opinions of Tristram Hunt should be candidates in rural Oxfordshire, not an inner city.

    If Labour really want Hunt in the party he should be sent to Chipping Norton where he is in tune with the locals, instead of losing piles of votes in Stoke.
    Islington South, Westminster North, Hove, Cambridge, Exeter, Bristol West would all be good fits.
    Indeed, some of Labour's suffering is from putting the wrong people in the wrong constituencies.

    Lefties should be put in inner cities, the blairites in rural and wealthy areas, and the soft left in middle class suburbs.

    Putting a Blairite in an inner city or a Lefty in a village will rub the wrong way.
    Rural areas will hardly ever vote Labour anyway and certainly not for a Blairite, someone with an agricultural background would be far more sensible, Blairites are better off in wealthy areas as you say, preferably in the metropolis
    Chipping Norton is actually quite a working class place that often elects Labour councillors.
    Chipping Norton is in the Witney constituency which has always elected a Tory MP although from 1999-2001 it had a Labour MP after Sean Woodward defected before moving to the safe Labour seat of St Helens after which David Cameron was elected the MP. It is also in West Oxfordshire District Council which presently has 41 Tory councillors and just 4 from Labour
    Yes I know all of that thanks. It in no way alters my observation.

    The notion that Chipping Norton is some super-gilded hangout of the very rich is wrong. The town itself is not like that, even if some of the villages around it are.
    Since when did I say it was just a super-gilded hangout of the very rich? In any case even if it was that would it no way guarantee it would vote Tory eg Islington and Hampstead are wealthier than Chipping Norton and Witney and both have Labour MPs and Labour councils.

    The point I originally made was that rural areas are generally very unlikely to vote Labour and the fact Chipping Norton has a Tory MP and an overwhelmingly Tory council hardly disputes that. I also said Labour would also be better off picking candidates with agricultural backgrounds in rural areas than Blairites, which I think holds too
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Scott_P said:
    Mason appears to be having some mid life crisis...while most men go and buy a penis extension sports car and try and pick up younger ladies...instead he seems to have resorted to spouting utter nonsense about Corbyn the Messiah.
    One can only really appreciate poking fun at a MLC, once you've grown out of your own.

    Mason's is hilarious. The stubble and leather jacket - oh dear me :lol:
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    MontyHallMontyHall Posts: 226
    Scott_P said:
    Always a shame when a comment like that contains an error (you're). Makes the point much fewer effective.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MontyHall said:

    Scott_P said:
    Always a shame when a comment like that contains an error (you're). Makes the point much fewer effective.
    There's three doors - behind one is a fun sponge...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,987
    Miss Plato, a fun sponge? Is that a joyless mirth-destroyer, or a frisky bathroom implement?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,987
    F1: heard a rumour Perez may be off to Williams.

    Interesting, if true. Massa's likely to go, and Bottas isn't a certainty either.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Did anyone bet on the tennis?

    @WillHillBet: 13th seed Richard Gasquet was stunned when he was knocked out by Britain’s Kyle Edmund in straight sets #USOpen https://t.co/55uXmXJppX
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    German plan to force mums to name lovers in paternity cases

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37215684
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Scott_P said:

    Did anyone bet on the tennis?

    @WillHillBet: 13th seed Richard Gasquet was stunned when he was knocked out by Britain’s Kyle Edmund in straight sets #USOpen https://t.co/55uXmXJppX

    :smiley:
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Miss Plato, a fun sponge? Is that a joyless mirth-destroyer, or a frisky bathroom implement?

    :lol:
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    The wearing of scruffy clothes to associate oneself with the working class is the sure sign of a charlatan. Having written loads of local history books with family photos contributed by impeccably working class families I know that the working class since the 19th century have had a strong sense of appropriate dress and for important occasions like weddings they always wear their best, formal clothes. A telling example from America was shown in the BBC documentary on the history of folk/country music. The communist Pete Seegar always wanted the artists on his shows to wear jeans, check shirts and working clothes when replicating barn dances, despite being told that back in the hills they always wore their suits and best dresses when then went out to have a good time.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Miss Plato, a fun sponge? Is that a joyless mirth-destroyer, or a frisky bathroom implement?

    :lol:
    Actually, none of my business, question withdrawn :).
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    The wearing of scruffy clothes to associate oneself with the working class is the sure sign of a charlatan. Having written loads of local history books with family photos contributed by impeccably working class families I know that the working class since the 19th century have had a strong sense of appropriate dress and for important occasions like weddings they always wear their best, formal clothes. A telling example from America was shown in the BBC documentary on the history of folk/country music. The communist Pete Seegar always wanted the artists on his shows to wear jeans, check shirts and working clothes when replicating barn dances, despite being told that back in the hills they always wore their suits and best dresses when then went out to have a good time.

    yep. My grandparents would have been horrified by Corbyn.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,995
    felix said:

    Great article but the solution does still lie within the PLP and they lack the confidence/ability/spine to act decisively. The weakness of Labour sadly is not just down to JC and his cronies. I doubt if Bercow would do anything but if he did the obvious alternative is within the SNP - for my money the more exposure they get the better - it makes them look ever barmier!

    You are the barmy one, try posting on something you remotely have a clue about.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,995

    Americans call for obvious thing to stop happening:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37212256

    Staggeringly, the Turks and Kurds (or their affiliates, at least) appear to be having a go at one another in Syria. Gosh.

    Edited extra bit: a very trivial aside, but Hannibal's last elephant was called Surus, Latin for Syrian. He rode it through the Arnus Marshes when he lost an eye to exposure.

    Time the Americans slapped Turkey down and put them in their place.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    F1: heard a rumour Perez may be off to Williams.

    Interesting, if true. Massa's likely to go, and Bottas isn't a certainty either.

    Perez and Button could be what they are looking at, but Perez will take some convincing, Williams are not in a good place right now. Worse than FI and McLaren for sure. Not that there is a space at McLaren, Vandoorne has to get the space or he will toodle off to Force India.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    John Furnish
    Mason goes the full Icke #Shapeshifters #PurpleSweaters https://t.co/kX5nfSOEhv
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,828
    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:


    Yes - but for so long it was seen as the Gold Standard! A week before Polling Day ICM caused panic in Labour ranks by showing its lead drop to 5%. Its final poll showing a Labour 10% lead was still 3% too low.

    ICM came far closer than the rest, though.
    MEAN ABSOLUTE ERRORS OF FIVE SELECTED POLLSTERS ON THEIR LAST POLL ISSUED WHEN COMPARED TO THE GB[1] RESULT

    Pollster (date): Con Lab Lib Oth, MAE[2]

    * Opinium (2015-05-05): 0.350 0.340 0.080 0.230, a MAE of 0.0145
    * ComRes (2015-05-06): 0.350 0.340 0.090 0.220, a MAE of 0.0185
    * YouGov (2015-05-06): 0.340 0.340 0.100 0.220, a MAE of 0.0235
    * ICM (2015-05-06): 0.345 0.350 0.09 0.215, a MAE of 0.0235
    * Populus (2015-05-07): 0.330 0.330 0.100 0.240, a MAE of 0.024

    NOTES
    [1] don't forget the pollsters were polling GB not UK, and so their error should be against the GB vote share (Con/Lab/Lib/Oth) of 0.378, 0.312, 0.081, 0.229
    [2] the cutoff for an acceptable MAE is around 0.020. More than that and the big boys will laugh at you.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Brian Spokemon
    Just lost the Keith Shere Khan game. https://t.co/yRxqewTk0S
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    'Brexit will actually help the economy thrive' claims Lord King https://t.co/86T3tTAcsF @MailOnline
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    BBC - Notting Hill Carnival marred by 156 arrests and four knife attacks.

    Yeh, 24hrs late and hidden away as the 11th story on the UK news page, but they got there in the end. Well done Aunty.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37212493
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    runnymede said:

    The wearing of scruffy clothes to associate oneself with the working class is the sure sign of a charlatan. Having written loads of local history books with family photos contributed by impeccably working class families I know that the working class since the 19th century have had a strong sense of appropriate dress and for important occasions like weddings they always wear their best, formal clothes. A telling example from America was shown in the BBC documentary on the history of folk/country music. The communist Pete Seegar always wanted the artists on his shows to wear jeans, check shirts and working clothes when replicating barn dances, despite being told that back in the hills they always wore their suits and best dresses when then went out to have a good time.

    yep. My grandparents would have been horrified by Corbyn.
    Lenin dressed smartly, and formally at first, but later he frequently wore a cloth cap to look a bit more like one of the workers. Stalin had his military tunics. Mao gave us a type of suit that still carries his name. All of them were affectations to one degree or another. Corbyn has his "closing down sale at BHS" attire, I don't know what message he is trying to send.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016

    BBC - Notting Hill Carnival marred by 156 arrests and four knife attacks.

    Yeh, 24hrs late and hidden away as the 11th story on the UK news page, but they got there in the end. Well done Aunty.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37212493

    Except not 4, its 6 knife attacks (as of this morning). But hey ho, I blame Tory cuts for piss poor reporting.
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    The wearing of scruffy clothes to associate oneself with the working class is the sure sign of a charlatan. Having written loads of local history books with family photos contributed by impeccably working class families I know that the working class since the 19th century have had a strong sense of appropriate dress and for important occasions like weddings they always wear their best, formal clothes. A telling example from America was shown in the BBC documentary on the history of folk/country music. The communist Pete Seegar always wanted the artists on his shows to wear jeans, check shirts and working clothes when replicating barn dances, despite being told that back in the hills they always wore their suits and best dresses when then went out to have a good time.

    Compare and contrast Corbyn and McDonnell.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079

    German plan to force mums to name lovers in paternity cases

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37215684

    It should be known as 'Tracey Emin's Law'.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    John Furnish
    Mason goes the full Icke #Shapeshifters #PurpleSweaters https://t.co/kX5nfSOEhv

    Next he will be on Alex Jones show complaining about the Bliderberg elite falsifying polling against Jezza.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    BBC - Notting Hill Carnival marred by 156 arrests and four knife attacks.

    Yeh, 24hrs late and hidden away as the 11th story on the UK news page, but they got there in the end. Well done Aunty.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37212493

    Except not 4, its 6 knife attacks (as of this morning). But hey ho, I blame Tory cuts for piss poor reporting.
    Lee Hurst
    5 stabbings on day one of the #NottingHillCarnival, bit of an odd float I'll admit, but very bright and colourful.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    BBC - Notting Hill Carnival marred by 156 arrests and four knife attacks.

    Yeh, 24hrs late and hidden away as the 11th story on the UK news page, but they got there in the end. Well done Aunty.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37212493

    Except not 4, its 6 knife attacks (as of this morning). But hey ho, I blame Tory cuts for piss poor reporting.
    Lee Hurst
    5 stabbings on day one of the #NottingHillCarnival, bit of an odd float I'll admit, but very bright and colourful.
    https://twitter.com/2010LeeHurst/status/770164068858617856
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrTCHarris: I fear this is no longer a fight to save Labour; it’s a fight to decide who reads the eulogy.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Will always be The 'Willy Wonka' for me, RIP
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Grim Reaper back from summer holibobs...Although, in addition to age, hasn't he been ill for a long time? Cancer?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Thought the EU anoraks would like a butchers at this offering from the Breugel Group. Offered without comment:

    http://bruegel.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/EU-UK-20160829-final-1.pdf
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Lili Von Shtupp: - Is that a ten-gallon hat, or are you just enjoying the show?

    Blazing Saddles was awesome, still is in fact. RIP Mr Wilder, and thanks for the laughs...
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    Who is John Mason, who is Paul Furnish and what have either said about purple sweaters?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2016
    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move on students. Need more details.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Grim Reaper back from summer holibobs...Although, in addition to age, hasn't he been ill for a long time? Cancer?
    For me it is "The Producers". Hitler, in springtime, in Germany!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move.
    Because the student visa system is just a back door to a tier 2 visa. Reducing EU student numbers should be a priority, or at least forcing them into the foreign student system and making them pay foreign student fees up front rather than skipping out in student loans.

    I'd say that non-EU students are also linked to illegal work and we need to reduce that.
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    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Will always be The 'Willy Wonka' for me, RIP
    Silverstreak - one of the best train movies ever.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Lili Von Shtupp: - Is that a ten-gallon hat, or are you just enjoying the show?

    Blazing Saddles was awesome, still is in fact. RIP Mr Wilder, and thanks for the laughs...
    Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.

    Igor: What hump?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    MaxPB said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move.
    Because the student visa system is just a back door to a tier 2 visa. Reducing EU student numbers should be a priority, or at least forcing them into the foreign student system and making them pay foreign student fees up front rather than skipping out in student loans.

    I'd say that non-EU students are also linked to illegal work and we need to reduce that.
    Ah, fair enough. Thanks.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Gene Wilder, the one with the funny eyes, died today.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment_and_arts

    All the great ones are going.........going.......
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    John_M said:

    MaxPB said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move.
    Because the student visa system is just a back door to a tier 2 visa. Reducing EU student numbers should be a priority, or at least forcing them into the foreign student system and making them pay foreign student fees up front rather than skipping out in student loans.

    I'd say that non-EU students are also linked to illegal work and we need to reduce that.
    Ah, fair enough. Thanks.
    John - ref earlier post. Yes, I did see your posting on MEP voting on Brexit. Thanks.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Grim Reaper back from summer holibobs...Although, in addition to age, hasn't he been ill for a long time? Cancer?
    For me it is "The Producers". Hitler, in springtime, in Germany!
    I can't stand Gene Wilder or the film of The Producers. I found him really Savile creepy.

    I saw the stage play in the West End and adored it.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    John_M said:

    Thought the EU anoraks would like a butchers at this offering from the Breugel Group. Offered without comment:

    http://bruegel.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/EU-UK-20160829-final-1.pdf

    Have only read the first few pages, but can they be suggesting a ..... Common Market?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:

    2016 claims another...

    @RockitBill: #BREAKING NEW YORK (AP) -- Gene Wilder, star of `Willy Wonka' and Mel Brooks comedies, is dead at 83, his family says.

    Will always be The 'Willy Wonka' for me, RIP
    Silverstreak - one of the best train movies ever.
    Yes and he was nominated as Best Supporting Actor for The Producers too
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Grim Reaper back from summer holibobs...Although, in addition to age, hasn't he been ill for a long time? Cancer?

    Alzheimers is what they are now reporting
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move on students. Need more details.
    Yes I also have concerns, we are presently one of the top destinations for international students and in competition with US colleges for them, this has to be handled with care
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798
    PlatoSaid said:

    John Furnish
    Mason goes the full Icke #Shapeshifters #PurpleSweaters https://t.co/kX5nfSOEhv

    I'd say he's gone bonkers, but clearly he was always bonkers, he just felt some professional obligation toward balance (or rather he was being forced to tell lies, to hear him now).
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited August 2016
    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move on students. Need more details.
    Suspect further clamp down on fake schools and on students staying on after their visas expire.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    AnneJGP said:

    John_M said:

    Thought the EU anoraks would like a butchers at this offering from the Breugel Group. Offered without comment:

    http://bruegel.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/EU-UK-20160829-final-1.pdf

    Have only read the first few pages, but can they be suggesting a ..... Common Market?
    Something along those lines :). I think there's not enough for us as it stands, but it might actually address the issue of Turkey.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,309
    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move on students. Need more details.
    Yes I also have concerns, we are presently one of the top destinations for international students and in competition with US colleges for them, this has to be handled with care
    This is an important export industry. Another dubious decision. She still worries me.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move on students. Need more details.
    She wants to raise fees on British students, again?
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move on students. Need more details.
    Yes I also have concerns, we are presently one of the top destinations for international students and in competition with US colleges for them, this has to be handled with care
    Your original link was to a student newspaper, which is not particularly noted for its accuracy.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,290
    MaxPB said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move.
    Because the student visa system is just a back door to a tier 2 visa. Reducing EU student numbers should be a priority, or at least forcing them into the foreign student system and making them pay foreign student fees up front rather than skipping out in student loans.

    I'd say that non-EU students are also linked to illegal work and we need to reduce that.
    There are two problems with EU students;

    1) they are entitled to free places in UK schools if under 18, and there is a whole industry of 'guardians' for such children who are being paid to act in loco parentis for children of EU nationals so they can be taught in Britain;

    2) they are entitled to student loans, and millions have taken them out - but to my certain knowledge less than 100 have ever paid them back. Of course, that is partly due to the laziness, incompetence and stupidity of the SLC and the egregious Kevin O'Connor, but the money lost is rather substantial.

    As part of Brexit, we must ensure that this is rectified so that they pay for their education. Equally, it would be a very stupid mistake to restrict access to our schools and universities for foreign students to the point where we lose them all, as we are world-famous for the quality of our education, delivered in English, and it brings in big money for our economy.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,864
    Evening all :)

    While I recognise Southam's frustrations about Corbyn, the salient point is that it was democracy that allowed the situation to happen. By allowing MPs to nominate candidates for whom they had no intention of voting as a way of expanding the contest, the situation was created which allowed Corbyn to stand.

    The problem was his three opponents simply had nothing to say or nothing to offer a party still reeling from a heavy election defeat. How parties respond to defeat is more important than how they respond to victory and last year Labour decided it wanted to move away from compromise to purity (crudely put).

    Corbyn is the manifestation of that purity. Anyone who had followed Corbyn since 1983 could not have been surprised by his actions as leader. He could, like Kinnock, have tacked away from his roots to a more centrist position with time but that's not Jeremy Corbyn and for all I personally like the man and on some issues he has some relevant and interesting things to say, there's too many areas where his idea of what should happen is at a sharp divergence with what is currently the majority view.

    I have no doubt that were Britain run as he wanted, Corbyn would be this country's staunchest defender and patriot. I also think Corbyn believes if he could sit down and talk to every voter, he could get a lot of them to agree with him.

    Maybe but politics doesn't work that way. Blair succeeded brilliantly by convincing millions of former Conservative voters the Labour Party he led was a non-socialist party of the centre or centre left. More accurately perhaps, after 18 years and with the economy in good shape, people believed they could afford to vote Labour.

    Corbyn doesn't see it in those terms of course - to compromise to win power is betrayal. I get that - I understand principle, I really do and in Opposition you have all the time you need to polish those principles but power means compromise and governing a multi-layered multi-faceted nation of approaching 70 million is quintessentially compromise.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited August 2016
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move.
    Because the student visa system is just a back door to a tier 2 visa. Reducing EU student numbers should be a priority, or at least forcing them into the foreign student system and making them pay foreign student fees up front rather than skipping out in student loans.

    I'd say that non-EU students are also linked to illegal work and we need to reduce that.
    There are two problems with EU students;

    1) they are entitled to free places in UK schools if under 18, and there is a whole industry of 'guardians' for such children who are being paid to act in loco parentis for children of EU nationals so they can be taught in Britain;

    2) they are entitled to student loans, and millions have taken them out - but to my certain knowledge less than 100 have ever paid them back. Of course, that is partly due to the laziness, incompetence and stupidity of the SLC and the egregious Kevin O'Connor, but the money lost is rather substantial.

    As part of Brexit, we must ensure that this is rectified so that they pay for their education. Equally, it would be a very stupid mistake to restrict access to our schools and universities for foreign students to the point where we lose them all, as we are world-famous for the quality of our education, delivered in English, and it brings in big money for our economy.
    We really need a change in the law in regards to student loans. It is way too easy for anybody to do a runner without paying and / or to be dishonest with their income when not part of the UK tax system...and there is little the authorities can do.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move on students. Need more details.
    Yes I also have concerns, we are presently one of the top destinations for international students and in competition with US colleges for them, this has to be handled with care
    This is an important export industry. Another dubious decision. She still worries me.
    It's not a decision - "work is underway". It's clearly a careful path to tread but equally there are evident abuses and the question is how to stop the abuses without damaging the good parts of the industry

    How about giving May the benefit of the doubt?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,290

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    PM seeks to reduce international student numbers.

    'According to The Times, Prime Minister Theresa May told cabinet colleagues that limits on EU migrants “are a priority” for Brexit negotiations, and “work is under way to examine how to reduce the number of international students coming to the UK”. Students from outside the EU are also likely to face tougher visa rules, as the PM is said to want universities to “develop sustainable funding models that are not so dependent on international students”.'
    http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/10589

    Don't understand the rationale for this move.
    Because the student visa system is just a back door to a tier 2 visa. Reducing EU student numbers should be a priority, or at least forcing them into the foreign student system and making them pay foreign student fees up front rather than skipping out in student loans.

    I'd say that non-EU students are also linked to illegal work and we need to reduce that.
    There are two problems with EU students;

    1) they are entitled to free places in UK schools if under 18, and there is a whole industry of 'guardians' for such children who are being paid to act in loco parentis for children of EU nationals so they can be taught in Britain;

    2) they are entitled to student loans, and millions have taken them out - but to my certain knowledge less than 100 have ever paid them back. Of course, that is partly due to the laziness, incompetence and stupidity of the SLC and the egregious Kevin O'Connor, but the money lost is rather substantial.

    As part of Brexit, we must ensure that this is rectified so that they pay for their education. Equally, it would be a very stupid mistake to restrict access to our schools and universities for foreign students to the point where we lose them all, as we are world-famous for the quality of our education, delivered in English, and it brings in big money for our economy.
    We really need a change in the law in regards to student loans. It is way too easy for anybody to do a runner without paying and / or to be dishonest with their income when not part of the UK tax system...and there is little the authorities can do.
    Doesn't help though when the authorities in question are so stupid and/or disorganised that - to take an example from personal experience - they don't know that July is the month before August or that it is illegal to share confidential documents with third parties.
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