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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Perhaps Labour will ultimately be extinguished through the financial burden of a PPE-style mis-selling scandal.

    UKIP will have their work cut out to top this for a leadership election farce.

    Presumably you mean PPI...not PPE!

    (Corbyn didn't qualify for Oxford, despite his two Es at A level)
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,758

    Perhaps Labour will ultimately be extinguished through the financial burden of a PPE-style mis-selling scandal.

    UKIP will have their work cut out to top this for a leadership election farce.

    PPE mis-selling - typo of the day!
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    BBC - Labour has won an appeal against a High Court ruling that allowed new members a vote in its leadership contest. - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37057589

    Bored now - this leadership contest reminds me of Crossroads after Noele Gordon left.

    I'm hoping the 5 appeal to Supreme Court - they can't stop now! :lol:
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Tremble, lesser nations, at our unrivalled prowess at the sitting down sports!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,143
    MTimT said:

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Holy crap

    The Daily Beast has removed the article, which provoked widespread criticism for containing specific details about closeted athletes, including their nationalities.

    It is believed at least one of the athletes referred to in the piece is from a country where homosexuality is illegal.

    Straight journalist Nico Hines used the gay dating app Grindr to meet homosexual athletes in the Olympic village.

    The article was later removed by editor John Avlon, before an apology appeared on the website.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/12/news-website-says-sorry-for-article-outing-gay-olympians-6063743/#ixzz4H7jdBiVS

    It's easy to forget how illiberal the world is - even the USA isn't _that_ keen on LGBT folk. As my favourite author says "The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."

    image
    So who would you rate higher, Gibson or Stephenson? Snow Crash was a real eye opener for me when I read it back in 1992 at the suggestion of a friend who had set up a company to create photorealistic avatars. I find Stephenson's work high on amazing ideas, but ultimately failing as literature.

    I know of Neuromancer but have not read it or other of Gibson's works.
    The early Stephenson novels are usually awesome... Right up until the end. Man, that guy can't write endings.

    That being said, I very much enjoyed Seveneves. I think it'll be the first work of his I've reread since The Diamond Age.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,644
    edited August 2016
    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,143

    John_M said:

    MTimT said:

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Holy crap

    The Daily Beast has removed the article, which provoked widespread criticism for containing specific details about closeted athletes, including their nationalities.

    It is believed at least one of the athletes referred to in the piece is from a country where homosexuality is illegal.

    Straight journalist Nico Hines used the gay dating app Grindr to meet homosexual athletes in the Olympic village.

    The article was later removed by editor John Avlon, before an apology appeared on the website.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/12/news-website-says-sorry-for-article-outing-gay-olympians-6063743/#ixzz4H7jdBiVS

    It's easy to forget how illiberal the world is - even the USA isn't _that_ keen on LGBT folk. As my favourite author says "The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."

    image
    So who would you rate higher, Gibson or Stephenson? Snow Crash was a real eye opener for me when I read it back in 1992 at the suggestion of a friend who had set up a company to create photorealistic avatars. I find Stephenson's work high on amazing ideas, but ultimately failing as literature.

    I know of Neuromancer but have not read it or other of Gibson's works.
    The Neuromancer trilogy is a must read, though you'd have to treat them as historical novels now. Reading the first in '85 was mind blowing. Gibson is a far better writer, but Stephenson is more entertaining (though he desperately needs a stronger editor).

    I love, love, love Cryptonomicon (while accepting it's an acquired taste), but Neuromancer is much the better novel.

    If you'll allow me to digress & recommend others- Charlie Stross's Accelerando is a valiant failure that attempts to deal with the the Singularity., while Ted Chiang is my current favourite. I believe 'Story of your Life' is being made into a film.
    Neal Stephenson's novels are great but he can't do endings. The finish to Cryptonomicon is a real let-down.
    The finish to The Diamond Age is rubbish too.
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    theakestheakes Posts: 843
    Labour BEC win appeal. Will the members go to the Supreme Court?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That is very harsh indeed.
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    theakestheakes Posts: 843
    Sorry NEC not BEC
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    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    How can there have been six rounds in a six candidate election and four rounds in a four candidate election?

    The sixth round is when there is only one candidate left, and they're given the preference votes from the candidate in second place. There would be two rounds even if there were only two candidates!

    Seems a bit pointless to me, but there you have it.
    Surely once you reach the round where you only have two candidates left then one has a majority already? Unless they tied and it was decided by drawing lots etc
    I agree!! But this sets it all out for the six-rounder from yesterday...

    http://www.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/Documents/CorporateServices/ChiefExecutive/Communications/Election-ResultsWard-1---Irvine-WestBreakdown.pdf
    It seems they're counting "non-transferable votes" as a valid option, hence making it seven candidates and no majority reached in round 5.

    However what happens then if round 6 had been won by "non-transferable votes"? If more SNP votes had not listed Labour as next preference that would have happened.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,195

    Perhaps Labour will ultimately be extinguished through the financial burden of a PPE-style mis-selling scandal.

    UKIP will have their work cut out to top this for a leadership election farce.

    PPE mis-selling - typo of the day!
    LOL! That one would have to be a class action suit on behalf of the public.
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    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.

    That seems unbelievably punitive, especially when they won the first court case. Any chance the Supreme Court will hear the case even with permission refused?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Its verrrry close

    *bites nails*
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
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    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.

    Heart of stone, etc, etc.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.

    That seems unbelievably punitive, especially when they won the first court case. Any chance the Supreme Court will hear the case even with permission refused?
    By right they can ask...!

    Haven't seen the judgment.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.

    GB - 4th
    FR - 11th

    :-)
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Men's four, rowing gold. Again...
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    MTimT said:

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Holy crap

    The Daily Beast has removed the article, which provoked widespread criticism for containing specific details about closeted athletes, including their nationalities.

    It is believed at least one of the athletes referred to in the piece is from a country where homosexuality is illegal.

    Straight journalist Nico Hines used the gay dating app Grindr to meet homosexual athletes in the Olympic village.

    The article was later removed by editor John Avlon, before an apology appeared on the website.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/12/news-website-says-sorry-for-article-outing-gay-olympians-6063743/#ixzz4H7jdBiVS

    It's easy to forget how illiberal the world is - even the USA isn't _that_ keen on LGBT folk. As my favourite author says "The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."

    image
    So who would you rate higher, Gibson or Stephenson? Snow Crash was a real eye opener for me when I read it back in 1992 at the suggestion of a friend who had set up a company to create photorealistic avatars. I find Stephenson's work high on amazing ideas, but ultimately failing as literature.

    I know of Neuromancer but have not read it or other of Gibson's works.
    The Neuromancer trilogy is a must read, though you'd have to treat them as historical novels now. Reading the first in '85 was mind blowing. Gibson is a far better writer, but Stephenson is more entertaining (though he desperately needs a stronger editor).

    I love, love, love Cryptonomicon (while accepting it's an acquired taste), but Neuromancer is much the better novel.

    If you'll allow me to digress & recommend others- Charlie Stross's Accelerando is a valiant failure that attempts to deal with the the Singularity., while Ted Chiang is my current favourite. I believe 'Story of your Life' is being made into a film.
    Neal Stephenson's novels are great but he can't do endings. The finish to Cryptonomicon is a real let-down.
    The finish to The Diamond Age is rubbish too.
    Suffice to say Stephenson has yet to write a novel with a satisfactory ending, and I've read them all, even Zodiac.
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    Interesting

    @georgeeaton: Some Owen Smith supporters were hopeful that 130,000 could favour them. Small chance of upset reduced.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,473

    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.

    That seems unbelievably punitive, especially when they won the first court case. Any chance the Supreme Court will hear the case even with permission refused?
    By right they can ask...!

    Haven't seen the judgment.
    So, where does this leave the vote?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    I thought he needed a bit of wax on the tips. I think they're like fringes. Get them the teeniest bit wrong and it totally changes the shape/impact. I hated my hubby's when he clipped it to lip shape - looked all weird and thankfully grew back quickly.
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    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.

    That seems unbelievably punitive, especially when they won the first court case. Any chance the Supreme Court will hear the case even with permission refused?
    By right they can ask...!

    Haven't seen the judgment.
    I know they can ask but is the Supreme Court likely to agree to hear it with permission denied was my question.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,473

    Interesting

    @georgeeaton: Some Owen Smith supporters were hopeful that 130,000 could favour them. Small chance of upset reduced.

    This really is all becoming very confusing. I guess we'll never know now which way these supporters would vote.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.

    That seems unbelievably punitive, especially when they won the first court case. Any chance the Supreme Court will hear the case even with permission refused?
    Others will know better than me but in days of yore an appeal to the House of Lords could only be made if there was an important point of public law at issue. That is to say only with the permission of the Court of Appeal.

    A.P. Herbert, well known satirist of the legal profession, once wrote a short story in which a judge refused to hear a case because it would inevitably got to appeal, so what was the point of wasting everyone's time.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,974
    edited August 2016
    First world record on the track about to go in the women's 10,000m. 23 year old record.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,457

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    waitaminute

    Ex-HMF....moustache....

    You are Windsor Davies!
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2016
    SeanT said:

    Sunshine, Olympic success, holidays, Labour self harming... suddenly the Brexit Blues seem a long time ago.

    We'll be apples.

    Apparently, after a terrible June, we're having a bumper, record-breaking tourist season in the Wye Valley. Weather is absolutely beautiful.

    I schlepped off to bed before I saw your post last night. The Moon at Garway is my local pub. It's just beautiful up there, with the Templar church for that added frisson of historical dark deeds.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Only one gold behind Japan for 3rd now, and far more silvers...
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,644
    edited August 2016
    Feel sorry for YouGov.

    They had a poll in the field that got binned because of the original court ruling.

    They then did a new poll which has to be binned because of today's appellate court decision.
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    JenSJenS Posts: 91
    A copy of the judgment of the Court of Appeal is at https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/evangelou-v-mcnicol-appeal-judgment-20160812.pdf

    It's obviously correct. If you join a rule-based membership organisation, the contract terms are set by the rules, and you have no right to have the rules frozen at the moment when you joined.

    The Court of Appeal is unanimous and I suspect the Supreme Court won't give leave to appeal.

    This should give cover to Ian McNicol. If he'd lost, he would have been heavily criticised for appealing the original judgment in favour of the new members. As it is, he's been vindicated. All he did was to uphold the powers of the NEC, which the Court of Appeal has now confirmed.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    The font of all knowledge has comprehensive records:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy_at_the_Olympics#Medals_by_summer_sport

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_at_the_Olympics#Medals_by_summer_sport
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,457

    Interesting

    @georgeeaton: Some Owen Smith supporters were hopeful that 130,000 could favour them. Small chance of upset reduced.

    This really is all becoming very confusing. I guess we'll never know now which way these supporters would vote.
    That is the critical point. Who's to know whether those new members rose up as one at the thought of a Jezza-led Lab and vowed to stop him...or were all Woolfies waiting to seize the day.

    It's likely a zero mean and they were 50:50 but as you say we'll never know.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    France aren't in the top 10...
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Only one gold behind Japan for 3rd now, and far more silvers...
    Soon the Brazilians will know which way up our flag goes. It's about 50/50 guesswork so far :lol:
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    It is brilliant to see GB 4th!
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    TOPPING said:

    Interesting

    @georgeeaton: Some Owen Smith supporters were hopeful that 130,000 could favour them. Small chance of upset reduced.

    This really is all becoming very confusing. I guess we'll never know now which way these supporters would vote.
    That is the critical point. Who's to know whether those new members rose up as one at the thought of a Jezza-led Lab and vowed to stop him...or were all Woolfies waiting to seize the day.

    It's likely a zero mean and they were 50:50 but as you say we'll never know.
    I suspect the overwhelming majority signed up as registered voters anyway, I don't think it makes a big difference.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,095

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    Are you quietly enjoying yourself Mr L, or regretting the development?

    I grew a full set once and my wife hated it. Said it was bristly, and was glad when I eventually went back to being clean shaven..

    Grandson one however had grown one and his girl-friend says it’s silky and she likes him even more.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited August 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    The font of all knowledge has comprehensive records:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy_at_the_Olympics#Medals_by_summer_sport

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_at_the_Olympics#Medals_by_summer_sport
    Three croquet golds :love:

    Only France completed !

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet_at_the_1900_Summer_Olympics
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,703
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    We should count the gold won by Hong Kong for sailing, at the time still one of our colonies.

    That would have taken us to 29th.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,095
    edited August 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.

    How about boules? The French, anyway! Don’t they have the silver for cricket, too?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,457
    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    You Tory!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,703
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Holy crap

    The Daily Beast has removed the article, which provoked widespread criticism for containing specific details about closeted athletes, including their nationalities.

    It is believed at least one of the athletes referred to in the piece is from a country where homosexuality is illegal.

    Straight journalist Nico Hines used the gay dating app Grindr to meet homosexual athletes in the Olympic village.

    The article was later removed by editor John Avlon, before an apology appeared on the website.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/12/news-website-says-sorry-for-article-outing-gay-olympians-6063743/#ixzz4H7jdBiVS

    It's easy to forget how illiberal the world is - even the USA isn't _that_ keen on LGBT folk. As my favourite author says "The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."

    image
    Some of those numbers are surprising (on either side of the divide).
    I wouldn't want to be gay in Nigeria.
    I have good news for you!
    ;-)
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    On the US Senate front a Dem majority has got to be odds on now i'd imagine.

    Of the toss-ups, they look good to pick up: IL,WI,NH,IN,PA,NV - OH,FL,NC looking less good but 6 pick ups is more than enough.
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    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    We wouldn't have been awarded the 2012 Olympics had it not been for Tony Blair (and Tessa Jowell)

    Is one of the reasons I've not been able to get involved in this year's Olympics. I was emotionally involved with London 2012 and went to a few events.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited August 2016
    Holy shit. Almaz Ayana just broke the Olympic 5000m record. It was during the second half of her 10000m world record..
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,703
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @ Sean Fear - looking at the huge Leave vote in Stoke (almost 70%) and the dicey position of Labour from GE2015, I could see Labour losing all three Stoke seats at the next general election.

    Including Tristam Hunt.

    Stoke South, and Newcastle-under-Lyme now look as if they're marginal seats, and Stoke North may well be soon. All three were retained by Labour even in 1983.
    I lived in Newcastle-under-Lyme in 2004, it was a safe seat Labour was winning by nearly 30 points. I find it absolutely remarkable to believe it could be a marginal now.
    The shifts in voting in some seats between 2001-15 were extraordinary.
    It should be a straw in the wind.

    In the long term, other than the memory of the Jarrow March and the miners strike, I can see little logic behind any assumption that says Labour will definitely hold onto its core north-east, welsh valley and Yorkshire seats come hell or high water either.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,974
    Well done to Almaz Ayana, completely obliterated the world record in the 10k, 14 seconds faster than has ever been run before.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,095
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    Are you quietly enjoying yourself Mr L, or regretting the development?

    I grew a full set once and my wife hated it. Said it was bristly, and was glad when I eventually went back to being clean shaven..

    Grandson one however had grown one and his girl-friend says it’s silky and she likes him even more.
    Wife of a friend of mine says she will never sleep with him again, if he ever shaves off his stubble.

    Relatedly, 3-5mm of stubble is said by researchers to be the most sexually desirable facial hair growth in men, for women. Full beards and taches are seen as TOO masculine, clean-shaven is seen as not masculine enough. But DYOR
    Sadly, at my age, the best I can hope for is a beard which I can stroke as an aid to looking wise!
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    Blair winning the 2012 Olympics for London (over Paris) is a huge factor in our success. Only he could have pulled it off.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    PlatoSaid said:

    German Federal and Criminal Police (BKA) documents last month revealed that there are 45,120 Islamists living in Germany. Of these, 1,100 have been identified by police as members of the country’s “terrorist scene” and another 499 classified as “troublemakers”.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/11/germany-raids-islamist-preachers/

    So they have identified 1100. How do they know about the other precise 44,020 ? Sounds like our £350m for the NHS per week. Just pluck something out of thin air !
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,758
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    Are you quietly enjoying yourself Mr L, or regretting the development?

    I grew a full set once and my wife hated it. Said it was bristly, and was glad when I eventually went back to being clean shaven..

    Grandson one however had grown one and his girl-friend says it’s silky and she likes him even more.
    Wife of a friend of mine says she will never sleep with him again, if he ever shaves off his stubble.

    Relatedly, 3-5mm of stubble is said by researchers to be the most sexually desirable facial hair growth in men, for women. Full beards and taches are seen as TOO masculine, clean-shaven is seen as not masculine enough. But DYOR
    Ahh - the stubble is on his chin!
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    We wouldn't have been awarded the 2012 Olympics had it not been for Tony Blair (and Tessa Jowell)

    Is one of the reasons I've not been able to get involved in this year's Olympics. I was emotionally involved with London 2012 and went to a few events.
    I'm into this Olympics now, and not just coz we're winning medals. It's fun. I've remembered how fun it is.

    Of course it won't match London. An Olympics in my home city. It was amazing.

    But Rio is still very enjoyable.
    We could win more medals in Rio at a fraction of the costs.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TOPPING said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    waitaminute

    Ex-HMF....moustache....

    You are Windsor Davies!
    Alas no, Mr. Topping, I couldn't cope with the waxed tips.

    My moustache came about because I contracted Chicken Pox and was therefore give permission to stop shaving for two weeks. At the end of that period the beard came off but the moustache stayed.

    Please bear in mind that in the sixties and seventies moustaches were much more common than they are today and in tightly hierarchical organisation were a way of harmless rebellion. Keeping one's moustache long/drooping just enough that the RSM didn't like it but could actually do anything about it was something of an art form.

    Once, when I was courting Herself, I lost a bet with her and my forfeit was to remove the 'tash. She took one look at me and told me to grow it again, urgently.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Anorak said:

    Holy shit. Almaz Ayana just broke the Olympic 5000m record. It was during the second half of her 10000m world record..

    https://twitter.com/benbloomsport/status/764112367961726976

    :)
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    Sandpit said:

    Well done to Almaz Ayana, completely obliterated the world record in the 10k, 14 seconds faster than has ever been run before.

    Surely many men have run faster?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Factoid - The 1908 Summer Olympics, featured "water motorsports" – it was the only year competitors could be pushed along whilst sitting down. – The French won Gold natch…
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    We wouldn't have been awarded the 2012 Olympics had it not been for Tony Blair (and Tessa Jowell)

    Is one of the reasons I've not been able to get involved in this year's Olympics. I was emotionally involved with London 2012 and went to a few events.
    I'm into this Olympics now, and not just coz we're winning medals. It's fun. I've remembered how fun it is.

    Of course it won't match London. An Olympics in my home city. It was amazing.

    But Rio is still very enjoyable.
    We could win more medals in Rio at a fraction of the costs.
    More medals than 2012 would be a huge stretch and an incredible achievement.

    I'm not getting that excited. Yet.

    But with 6 golds now that's already more than every post-war Olympics except 1956 (6, 7 silver), 2000 (11), 2004 (9), 2008 (19) and 2012 (29).

    Even getting close to 2008 would be a massive achievement.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,703
    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    We wouldn't have been awarded the 2012 Olympics had it not been for Tony Blair (and Tessa Jowell)

    Is one of the reasons I've not been able to get involved in this year's Olympics. I was emotionally involved with London 2012 and went to a few events.
    I'm into this Olympics now, and not just coz we're winning medals. It's fun. I've remembered how fun it is.

    Of course it won't match London. An Olympics in my home city. It was amazing.

    But Rio is still very enjoyable.
    I think it was Russian doping that was putting me off and the limp wristed therein.

    Plus I don't I'll have a better experience moment than women's beach volleyball at Horse Guards Parade, a true spiritual Olympic moment.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,095

    Factoid - The 1908 Summer Olympics, featured "water motorsports" – it was the only year competitors could be pushed along whilst sitting down. – The French won Gold natch…

    Was that the year the Met Police team won the Tug of War?
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Factoid - The 1908 Summer Olympics, featured "water motorsports" – it was the only year competitors could be pushed along whilst sitting down. – The French won Gold natch…

    Motorboating and watersports, eh.

    Paging TSE.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    GB has golds in five sports which matches the US and China for most so far.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,703

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    Are you quietly enjoying yourself Mr L, or regretting the development?

    I grew a full set once and my wife hated it. Said it was bristly, and was glad when I eventually went back to being clean shaven..

    Grandson one however had grown one and his girl-friend says it’s silky and she likes him even more.
    Wife of a friend of mine says she will never sleep with him again, if he ever shaves off his stubble.

    Relatedly, 3-5mm of stubble is said by researchers to be the most sexually desirable facial hair growth in men, for women. Full beards and taches are seen as TOO masculine, clean-shaven is seen as not masculine enough. But DYOR
    Sadly, at my age, the best I can hope for is a beard which I can stroke as an aid to looking wise!
    I was going to make a dirty joke about the sort of beards I'm stroking at my age are very definitely not my own.

    But that would be inappropriate.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,095

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Neighbours?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,146
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    We wouldn't have been awarded the 2012 Olympics had it not been for Tony Blair (and Tessa Jowell)

    Is one of the reasons I've not been able to get involved in this year's Olympics. I was emotionally involved with London 2012 and went to a few events.
    I'm into this Olympics now, and not just coz we're winning medals. It's fun. I've remembered how fun it is.

    Of course it won't match London. An Olympics in my home city. It was amazing.

    But Rio is still very enjoyable.
    We could win more medals in Rio at a fraction of the costs.
    The discussion below about the resurgence in British Olympic sports got me thinking: do we get a lot of bang for the buck with these results (i.e. is it worth the money spent), and are there any lessons that can be applied to business and/or government?

    I've always thought that government (or any large organisation) find it hard to pick winners. Yet the Olympic sports pick talent and nurture them into winners. Could the same be done with some small companies?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,644
    edited August 2016

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Get a mining report/full conveyancing done, also check it isn't near a train track.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634

    Perhaps Labour will ultimately be extinguished through the financial burden of a PPE-style mis-selling scandal.

    UKIP will have their work cut out to top this for a leadership election farce.

    PPE mis-selling - typo of the day!
    Is that when Dave says he'd campaign to leave the EU?
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.

    Cheese eating.
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    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    Are you quietly enjoying yourself Mr L, or regretting the development?

    I grew a full set once and my wife hated it. Said it was bristly, and was glad when I eventually went back to being clean shaven..

    Grandson one however had grown one and his girl-friend says it’s silky and she likes him even more.
    Wife of a friend of mine says she will never sleep with him again, if he ever shaves off his stubble.

    Relatedly, 3-5mm of stubble is said by researchers to be the most sexually desirable facial hair growth in men, for women. Full beards and taches are seen as TOO masculine, clean-shaven is seen as not masculine enough. But DYOR
    Sadly, at my age, the best I can hope for is a beard which I can stroke as an aid to looking wise!
    I was going to make a dirty joke about the sort of beards I'm stroking at my age are very definitely not my own.

    But that would be inappropriate.
    Wait until you see the pun/innuendo I've got lined up for Sunday.

    One of my all time best.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Anyone murdered there? Neighbour problems?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,974

    Anorak said:

    Holy shit. Almaz Ayana just broke the Olympic 5000m record. It was during the second half of her 10000m world record..

    https://twitter.com/benbloomsport/status/764112367961726976
    :)
    Ha, hope they measured it right!

    Shame that only a fraction of the seats were occupied to watch Almaz smash the world record.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    Miss Plato, to be fair, ours is pretty tricky. Getting the US flag upside down is rather more difficult :p

    King Cole, 1908?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Structure? Neighbours? Divorce (once bought a property for a song as husband was determined to shaft wife in settlement)? Local developments (once viewed a house that was about to have a coal merchants next door)?
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.

    Cheese eating.
    The rapid retreat.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    John_M said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    As others have said, it was likely that John Major can take the credit due to his decision to create the National Lottery in '93.
    Yep. And New Labour investment in sport, to be fair
    We wouldn't have been awarded the 2012 Olympics had it not been for Tony Blair (and Tessa Jowell)

    Is one of the reasons I've not been able to get involved in this year's Olympics. I was emotionally involved with London 2012 and went to a few events.
    I'm into this Olympics now, and not just coz we're winning medals. It's fun. I've remembered how fun it is.

    Of course it won't match London. An Olympics in my home city. It was amazing.

    But Rio is still very enjoyable.
    We could win more medals in Rio at a fraction of the costs.
    The discussion below about the resurgence in British Olympic sports got me thinking: do we get a lot of bang for the buck with these results (i.e. is it worth the money spent), and are there any lessons that can be applied to business and/or government?

    I've always thought that government (or any large organisation) find it hard to pick winners. Yet the Olympic sports pick talent and nurture them into winners. Could the same be done with some small companies?
    Lottery funding is wot did it !
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Troublesome neighbours.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Miss Plato, to be fair, ours is pretty tricky. Getting the US flag upside down is rather more difficult :p

    King Cole, 1908?

    Or Lebanon...
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Indian burial ground?
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    Harsh

    Breaking: Permission to appeal in Supreme Court is refused

    Court of Appeal also orders five new Labour members to pay costs in 28 days

    That's 30k in 28 days.

    Does seem somewhat unreasonable that the costs award will have been ramped up due to the apparently incorrect ruling of a lower court.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    Are you quietly enjoying yourself Mr L, or regretting the development?

    I grew a full set once and my wife hated it. Said it was bristly, and was glad when I eventually went back to being clean shaven..

    Grandson one however had grown one and his girl-friend says it’s silky and she likes him even more.
    I can never be happy when herself is grumpy with me, Mr. Cole. So back to the walrus it shall be.

    My son has a full set, and it is bright red (God knows where those genes come from) and he doesn't seem to have any trouble with the ladies. I think the trick is to let it grow long enough, I tried when I retired and Herself demanded I shave off before it reached the silky stage. Maybe take yourself off to a religious retreat for a month or so.

    Incidentally if anyone is still shaving every day, might I recommend the services of the Bearded Colonel. Best razor blades, and closest shave I have ever had outside a barbers shop and delivered at a very reasonable price to your door.

    https://beardedcolonel.co.uk/?c=gb50&gclid=CI7ckrOUvM4CFecV0wodfSoJdA&ast=gBPM2f
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,016
    Mr. Sandpit, aye, attendance is pretty poor.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,758

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Get a mining report/full conveyancing done, also check it isn't near a train track.
    Some PBers would pay extra if it was near a train track!
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    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?


    Ask if a previous survey is available to see.

    Get a full survey of your own before signing any contract.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    In the postwar era, and until the UK upped its Olympic game in the late 90s, Italy and France would nearly always finish above us in the medals table. Sometimes way above us e.g. Atlanta

    See here. France 5th, Italy 6th, Britain.... 36th.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Summer_Olympics_medal_table
    Interesting to see how many medals we have sucked in from the rest of Europe and that's with a poor road cycling return.
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    ThrakThrak Posts: 494

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Was someone murdered there?

    Maybe it's in the catchment area of a poor school. Especially if it's not detached, check up on neighbours and neighbour disputes. Is it near a noisy/smelly business or entertainment venue? Road with cuthrough traffic? Planning permissions for something that would affect it?

    Make an offer, contingent on get a full survey done. Back out if it comes back with problems. If it's been on the market for that time and it's okay, they should accept conditions on any offer I would think.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Just seen this 10k record. The previous record was an obvious product of doping, back when doping meant pushing north of 50% Hcrit, so colour me sceptical to see anyone easily beat it without assistance.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    rcs1000 said:

    John_M said:

    MTimT said:

    John_M said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Holy crap

    The Daily Beast has removed the article, which provoked widespread criticism for containing specific details about closeted athletes, including their nationalities.

    It is believed at least one of the athletes referred to in the piece is from a country where homosexuality is illegal.

    Straight journalist Nico Hines used the gay dating app Grindr to meet homosexual athletes in the Olympic village.

    The article was later removed by editor John Avlon, before an apology appeared on the website.


    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/12/news-website-says-sorry-for-article-outing-gay-olympians-6063743/#ixzz4H7jdBiVS

    It's easy to forget how illiberal the world is - even the USA isn't _that_ keen on LGBT folk. As my favourite author says "The future is already here. It's just unevenly distributed."

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    So who would you rate higher, Gibson or Stephenson? Snow Crash was a real eye opener for me when I read it back in 1992 at the suggestion of a friend who had set up a company to create photorealistic avatars. I find Stephenson's work high on amazing ideas, but ultimately failing as literature.

    I know of Neuromancer but have not read it or other of Gibson's works.
    The Neuromancer trilogy is a must read, though you'd have to treat them as historical novels now. Reading the first in '85 was mind blowing. Gibson is a far better writer, but Stephenson is more entertaining (though he desperately needs a stronger editor).

    I love, love, love Cryptonomicon (while accepting it's an acquired taste), but Neuromancer is much the better novel.

    If you'll allow me to digress & recommend others- Charlie Stross's Accelerando is a valiant failure that attempts to deal with the the Singularity., while Ted Chiang is my current favourite. I believe 'Story of your Life' is being made into a film.
    Neal Stephenson's novels are great but he can't do endings. The finish to Cryptonomicon is a real let-down.
    The finish to The Diamond Age is rubbish too.
    I don't think I actually finished Snow Crash. I got turned off with about 50 pages to go. Extremely unusual for me - I make a point of reading to the bitter end. So, I agree - Stephenson does not do endings.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,457

    TOPPING said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ben
    Farage has grown a tash.. https://t.co/kQ4Lahi2Yj

    A so he should, his upper lip always looked like it needed one. He could cope with a full walrus but he must not let it get too wide as he seems to be doing in that picture.

    Tricky things to get right are moustaches. I let my new barber trim mine the other day, out went the walrus and in came a nicely shaped and well clipped job as one would expect to see on a Turkish gentleman. Herself was not happy, not happy at all and has forbidden me meeting any of her friends until it has grown back.
    waitaminute

    Ex-HMF....moustache....

    You are Windsor Davies!
    Alas no, Mr. Topping, I couldn't cope with the waxed tips.

    My moustache came about because I contracted Chicken Pox and was therefore give permission to stop shaving for two weeks. At the end of that period the beard came off but the moustache stayed.

    Please bear in mind that in the sixties and seventies moustaches were much more common than they are today and in tightly hierarchical organisation were a way of harmless rebellion. Keeping one's moustache long/drooping just enough that the RSM didn't like it but could actually do anything about it was something of an art form.

    Once, when I was courting Herself, I lost a bet with her and my forfeit was to remove the 'tash. She took one look at me and told me to grow it again, urgently.
    Pretty good cross-section of 'taches here. Sure you've seen this series.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrrSyNFTdSw
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    PlatoSaid said:

    Blimey – Team Pommey bastards leap-frogs over the Aussies into 4th - Hah, take that..

    Are we ahead of France? That's the true benchmark for glory.
    Gave up counting after 10th place :lol: but France is below Italy – that’s how bad it is for them.
    What sports are Italians/French known for? I instinctively thought of equestrian events, but could be totally wrong.
    After years of absence from the top, France is back in Eventing, but still far off in Dressage. Don't know about Showjumping.

    Isn't France usually good at judo and karate, kayaking and sailing?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Don't go near it, Mr Royale, don't touch it with a barge pole. If there is one thing I have learned in my journey through this vale of tears is that something appears to be too good to be true (or too cheap), it is. Why did it fail to sell in 2012? A dang good reason, I'll bet. Stay away from it.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    John_M said:

    Right, advice please.

    Wife and I looking at a property tomorrow. We both really like the look of it. It's a 5 bed and way cheaper than it should be - on for £550k but should be around £600k (it was on for sale in 2012 at 495k and failed to sell) and been with present owner since 1996.

    Estate agent didn't flinch when I said I couldn't beat £525k and we got a viewing on Sat at a time of our choice with two days notice. It's been on the market since early Feb. Kitchen is small and internally the space could be used better, but I'm astonished it hasn't shifted yet.

    What's wrong with it? What should I ask?

    Structure? Neighbours? Divorce (once bought a property for a song as husband was determined to shaft wife in settlement)? Local developments (once viewed a house that was about to have a coal merchants next door)?
    Future planning permissions - highways, industrial estates, low-cost housing - or easements. Looked at properties in Florida and found out you have to be aware of geology and sink hole potential. In the Eastern Shore of VA you have to check the stated acreage is actually all land, not creek.
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