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Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Portsmouth, 75 to 13 Clacton, 49 to 21 Enfield North, 88 to 40 Sevenoaks Bedford Elmet and Rothwell, 68 to 32 Wellingborough Blackley and Broughton, 74 to 15 Solihull Halesowen and Rowley Regis Mid Worcestershire Hyndburn South East Cambridgeshire Winchester, 86 to 35 South Ribble
Smith
Twickenham, 76 to 70 Glasgow Cathcart Ealing Central Ayl
Batley and Spen Galloway and West Dumfries Dumfriesshire Mitcham and Morden Inverness & Nairn: 22 to 7 Greenock and Inverclyde Uddingston and Bellshill Rutherglen Clydesdale
Corbyn:
Barrow and Furness: 100 to 36 Bolton West Derbyshire Dales Edinburgh Central, 43 to 24 Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Bradford East 49 to 5 Bolton NE Sefton Central 107 to 44 Torbay Glasgow Soutshide Aberdeen Donside: 13 to 4 North Shropshire Midlothian North Tottenham Sherwood 52 to 12 Gloucester 80 to 23 Northampton North Northampton South Dundee East Dundee West Stalybridge and Hyde Clydebank and Milngavie
While the IFS Single Market report is a very blunt tool (it doesn't account for tightly integrated pan-EU manufacturing sectors etc), the ultimate conclusion makes me smile.
It's 2030. You have £10 in your pocket. The EU fairy appears and gives you 40p. "Thanks for staying, here's your bonus".
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
"As the voting was explained, one woman asked, suspicion in her voice, how we knew the ballot boxes were empty, leading to the bizarre sight of party scrutineers carrying upside-down ballot boxes through the crowd so anyone who wanted to could check."
Smith says yes it can. He recalls as a child meeting miners’ leader Will Painter, who fought in the Spanish civil war against fascism. An audience member laughs, which Smith says is “disrespectful”."
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Is Faisal still running around like a panic stricken, headless chicken as he did in the days after LEAVE won?
Smith says yes it can. He recalls as a child meeting miners’ leader Will Painter, who fought in the Spanish civil war against fascism. An audience member laughs, which Smith says is “disrespectful”."
The Trump collapse has not been uniform as his model assumes.
We have enough proof from enough state polls to disprove his model.
For instance N.Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Nevada, and Missouri are on the edge according to state polls, but in his model there are not.
There are 3 models here and frankly your arguments were made in 08/12 by others and Nate was entirely vindicated.
Forecasting the results in 50 states, of which only 15 or less are swing states doesn't require magical powers (unlike 650 seats, of which 100 are marginal).
Everyone can do it due to the small number of swing states, provided they look at the state polls, instead of the national polls.
Smith says yes it can. He recalls as a child meeting miners’ leader Will Painter, who fought in the Spanish civil war against fascism. An audience member laughs, which Smith says is “disrespectful”."
"Clutching Momentum and socialist party banners, and placards reading ‘Geordies got ya back Corbyn’, the crowd swarmed around the Labour leader as he got out of his car. Owen Smith received no such welcome."
The Trump collapse has not been uniform as his model assumes.
We have enough proof from enough state polls to disprove his model.
For instance N.Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Nevada, and Missouri are on the edge according to state polls, but in his model there are not.
There are 3 models here and frankly your arguments were made in 08/12 by others and Nate was entirely vindicated.
Forecasting the results in 50 states, of which only 15 or less are swing states doesn't require magical powers (unlike 650 seats, of which 100 are marginal).
Everyone can do it due to the small number of swing states, provided they look at the state polls, instead of the national polls.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
They swung it by turning out in bigger than usual numbers.
But also, professionals swung it, with 43% voting Leave, compared to the 35% or so that had been expected.
In truth, class, geography, social attitudes all interacted. In Essex or Kent say, most professional people likely voted Leave. In London or Surrey, they voted Remain.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
They swung it by turning out in bigger than usual numbers.
But also, professionals swung it, with 43% voting Leave, compared to the 35% or so that had been expected.
In truth, class, geography, social attitudes all interacted. In Essex or Kent say, most professional people likely voted Leave. In London or Surrey, they voted Remain.
Even in Surrey, it was a lot closer than the simple narrative would suggest. It was basically 50/50, in an area of the country stuffed with wealthy educated London working individuals.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Is Faisal still running around like a panic stricken, headless chicken as he did in the days after LEAVE won?
Heard two people separately today wondering what was going on with Brexit, why we haven't left, why we haven't even heard when we're going to leave, etc.. People are starting to get a tad impatient...
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the South immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom. It was not Basildon or Nuneaton which were the marginal areas in EUref (they voted strongly for Leave) but the likes of South Bucks and Sevenoaks both of which voted narrowly for Brexit
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
How did they vote?
I suspect that when you strip out the remainder it will be very like the rest of the country - see Bexley/Havering etc.
UKIP are really the English (and to a degree Welsh) National Party.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Is Faisal still running around like a panic stricken, headless chicken as he did in the days after LEAVE won?
Faisal's still an incredibly bitter Twitterer .
I'll never forget the number of times he called Gove "Lord High Chancellor". I bet that sneering alone turned a few voters to Leave.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Is Faisal still running around like a panic stricken, headless chicken as he did in the days after LEAVE won?
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Because of the choice. You can have any two out of the following three. Economic integration, national sovereignty, and democracy. We voted for the last two. We thought they mattered more than a single Market in selling life assurance.
Smith says yes it can. He recalls as a child meeting miners’ leader Will Painter, who fought in the Spanish civil war against fascism. An audience member laughs, which Smith says is “disrespectful”."
He says he agrees with Corbyn there should be a war powers act to ensure parliament will always have a vote on matters of future wars. But he says there have been times that the UK should have intervened, citing Rwanda.
Corbyn says he can never say never, because there have been wars of liberation which should be fought. But he says there has to be a holistic approach to war and peace, mentioning arms sales to Saudi Arabia while the nation fights a war in Yemen.
First, what the f--- is a 'holistic approach to war and peace'?*
*ok, I know what it means in context, taking a joined up approach etc etc, but by gods I hate seeing that awful word, holistic, used in the context of something serious, since whatever it's actual meaning, what it usually signifies is bullsh*t.
Second, is a war powers act to ensure parliament has to vote on future wars really a good idea? What if immediate action is required? Given the need to act in emergencies, presumably there would be provisions to cover some action, so we'd get into the situation where we never ever declare war no matter how much we get involved.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
How did they vote?
I suspect that when you strip out the remainder it will be very like the rest of the country - see Bexley/Havering etc.
UKIP are really the English (and to a degree Welsh) National Party.
The majority of English Londoners voted Remain, only 5 out of 33 London boroughs voted to Leave, all of them on the outer edge of the City
Smith says it was a lie that the former Labour government caused the economic crash. “We should have been stronger challenging that, much much stronger.”
Still peddling that one, are they?
Tories certainly implied Labour caused it, but as senior people as David Cameron in conference speeches specified Labour did not cause it, but that they made it worse and made recovery harder. People will disagree with that too, but despite the implication they caused it, maintaining the problem was too much stating Labour caused it is a comfort blanket.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
How did they vote?
I suspect that when you strip out the remainder it will be very like the rest of the country - see Bexley/Havering etc.
UKIP are really the English (and to a degree Welsh) National Party.
The majority of English Londoners voted Remain, only 5 out of 33 London boroughs voted to Leave, all of them on the outer edge of the City
The Trump collapse has not been uniform as his model assumes.
We have enough proof from enough state polls to disprove his model.
For instance N.Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Nevada, and Missouri are on the edge according to state polls, but in his model there are not.
There are 3 models here and frankly your arguments were made in 08/12 by others and Nate was entirely vindicated.
Forecasting the results in 50 states, of which only 15 or less are swing states doesn't require magical powers (unlike 650 seats, of which 100 are marginal).
Everyone can do it due to the small number of swing states, provided they look at the state polls, instead of the national polls.
Yeah, Nate's performance in the UK was abysmal.
Indeed. Watching at the state polls right now, Hillary would win 291, Trump 144 and 103 EV would be too close to call.
Nevada, Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Georgia, Missouri, Maine's CD-2, S.Carolina and N.Carolina would be too close to call, with Ohio and Nebraska's CD-2 just above that zone for Hillary.
I don't need Nate Silver to tell me that.
Now if Trump ever recovers, his recovery would probably be just as uneven as his slump. But so far Pennsylvania, N.H and Maine are the states to watch to see if Trump has a chance.
@MichaelLCrick: London Labour Briefing 1983, when Jeremy Corbyn led campaign to defend Militant's right to work within Labour Party https://t.co/DwQYR9YQgl
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Where I am, the most Labour friendly part of Wiltshire, Swindon (which has had Labour MPs), voted Leave by a higher margin than the Tory Heartland of the rest (heartland bar 1 seat which had been LD that is)
Smith says it was a lie that the former Labour government caused the economic crash. “We should have been stronger challenging that, much much stronger.”
Still peddling that one, are they?
Tories certainly implied Labour caused it, but as senior people as David Cameron in conference speeches specified Labour did not cause it, but that they made it worse and made recovery harder. People will disagree with that too, but despite the implication they caused it, maintaining the problem was too much stating Labour caused it is a comfort blanket.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
How did they vote?
I suspect that when you strip out the remainder it will be very like the rest of the country - see Bexley/Havering etc.
UKIP are really the English (and to a degree Welsh) National Party.
The majority of English Londoners voted Remain, only 5 out of 33 London boroughs voted to Leave, all of them on the outer edge of the City
Is there polling on this?
Well it is a statement of the obvious, English Londoners are disproportionally Labour voters and relatively young and also more likely to be graduates, all groups which voted Remain
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Where I am, the most Labour friendly part of Wiltshire, Swindon (which has had Labour MPs), voted Leave by a higher margin than the Tory Heartland of the rest (heartland bar 1 seat which had been LD that is)
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Where I am, the most Labour friendly part of Wiltshire, Swindon (which has had Labour MPs), voted Leave by a higher margin than the Tory Heartland of the rest (heartland bar 1 seat which had been LD that is)
North or South? Am a southerner myself
Sorry to disappoint, but my commas went astray. In Wiltshire, but not Swindon. I'm in real Wiltshire, the SW.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
Some foreign born people in London voted LEAVE - like yours truly
Smith says yes it can. He recalls as a child meeting miners’ leader Will Painter, who fought in the Spanish civil war against fascism. An audience member laughs, which Smith says is “disrespectful”."
He says he agrees with Corbyn there should be a war powers act to ensure parliament will always have a vote on matters of future wars. But he says there have been times that the UK should have intervened, citing Rwanda.
Corbyn says he can never say never, because there have been wars of liberation which should be fought. But he says there has to be a holistic approach to war and peace, mentioning arms sales to Saudi Arabia while the nation fights a war in Yemen.
First, what the f--- is a 'holistic approach to war and peace'?*
*ok, I know what it means in context, taking a joined up approach etc etc, but by gods I hate seeing that awful word, holistic, used in the context of something serious, since whatever it's actual meaning, what it usually signifies is bullsh*t.
Second, is a war powers act to ensure parliament has to vote on future wars really a good idea? What if immediate action is required? Given the need to act in emergencies, presumably there would be provisions to cover some action, so we'd get into the situation where we never ever declare war no matter how much we get involved.
The United States Congress has that power over declaring War.
But US Presidents have found a trick of ordering military action without a declaration of war, a very controversial tactic that has cost Presidents who use it a lot of political capital.
And has made the american public very sensitive to military action.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Because of the choice. You can have any two out of the following three. Economic integration, national sovereignty, and democracy. We voted for the last two. We thought they mattered more than a single Market in selling life assurance.
With hindsight, it's obvious, but it certainly wasn't at the time: when it comes to national decisions the British electorate clearly don't think, and vote, just on the money. We do have a sense of who we are and what really matters. I was deeply worried before the vote, and said so on here, that I feared we might have lost that. And that millions would bottle it.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
Some foreign born people in London voted LEAVE - like yours truly
Some English born voters in the Midlands voted Remain too but we are talking averages here
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Because of the choice. You can have any two out of the following three. Economic integration, national sovereignty, and democracy. We voted for the last two. We thought they mattered more than a single Market in selling life assurance.
With hindsight, it's obvious, but it certainly wasn't at the time: when it comes to national decisions the British electorate clearly don't think, and vote, just on the money. We do have a sense of who we are and what really matters. I was deeply worried before the vote, and said so on here, that I feared we might have lost that. And that millions would bottle it.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is nor it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Generally the further away an area was from central London the more likely it was to vote Leave
Mmm. So general as to be not really true. Scotland? Ulster?
The biggest generalisation one can make is that the nation of England voted a fairly decisive LEAVE.
I can see why Scots and Norns are hacked off, but there we go. They are intrinsically weaker, smaller, lesser nations, entirely beaten down and colonised, peopled by forelock-tuggers who flinch at the whip. They are unused to the bracing vigours of independence.
It only applies in England and Wales (Monmouthshire and Vale of Glamorgan voted Remain for example and are both close to the English border).
Of course Wales was also colonised and united with England well before Scotland but the Welsh still voted Leave
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
Some foreign born people in London voted LEAVE - like yours truly
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
They swung it by turning out in bigger than usual numbers.
But also, professionals swung it, with 43% voting Leave, compared to the 35% or so that had been expected.
In truth, class, geography, social attitudes all interacted. In Essex or Kent say, most professional people likely voted Leave. In London or Surrey, they voted Remain.
My "campaign" in Hart was unsuccessful as the district went Remain 52.4% to 47.6%, but we are one of the wealthiest parts of the country and the Leave campaign was very low key. In fact, my efforts alone probably accounted for 7-10% of elector contact by Leave throughout the whole district.
Remain lost not only because of swing areas, but because it didn't convince even in places where it should have won by miles.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is normally the Midlands which determines elections, the South voting Tory and the North and London Labour but in EU ref it was probably the South on reflection which won it yes (though Wales was also close to the UK average). The North and Midlands were strongly Leave and London and Scotland were strongly Remain, it was the Southern Home Counties vote narrowly going for Leave which saw it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Because of the choice. You can have any two out of the following three. Economic integration, national sovereignty, and democracy. We voted for the last two. We thought they mattered more than a single Market in selling life assurance.
With hindsight, it's obvious, but it certainly wasn't at the time: when it comes to national decisions the British electorate clearly don't think, and vote, just on the money. We do have a sense of who we are and what really matters. I was deeply worried before the vote, and said so on here, that I feared we might have lost that. And that millions would bottle it.
We didn't, and we haven't.
I find that very comforting and reassuring.
Absolutely.
And, even better, the roof didn't fall in.
Remainiacs really overplayed their hand, eh?
Probably, although in fairness we will have to wait and see about the roof.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is nor it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Generally the further away an area was from central London the more likely it was to vote Leave
Mmm. So general as to be not really true. Scotland? Ulster?
The biggest generalisation one can make is that the nation of England voted a fairly decisive LEAVE.
I can see why Scots and Norns are hacked off, but there we go. They are intrinsically weaker, smaller, lesser nations, entirely beaten down and colonised, peopled by forelock-tuggers who flinch at the whip. They are unused to the bracing vigours of independence.
I doubt Scotland is intrinsically more Europhile than the rest of the UK. And Northern Ireland largely divided on sectarian lines, with a non-aligned middle class carrying it for Remain.
Incidentally, Moray almost went Leave - Remain only carried it by a whisker. I really wish it had gone Leave to sour Sturgeon's EU milk.
Is tonight one of those nights for loony Leavers to frot themselves blind as they conveniently forget that the referendum was fought and won on keeping out foreigners?
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is nor it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Generally the further away an area was from central London the more likely it was to vote Leave
Mmm. So general as to be not really true. Scotland? Ulster?
The biggest generalisation one can make is that the nation of England voted a fairly decisive LEAVE.
I can see why Scots and Norns are hacked off, but there we go. They are intrinsically weaker, smaller, lesser nations, entirely beaten down and colonised, peopled by forelock-tuggers who flinch at the whip. They are unused to the bracing vigours of independence.
It only applies in England and Wales (Monmouthshire and Vale of Glamorgan voted Remain for example and are both close to the English border).
Of course Wales was also colonised and united with England well before Scotland but the Welsh still voted Leave
Monmouthshire is essentially English. 50.4% Remain, probably due to the gentlemen farmers .
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
The picture was much more complicated than that.
Of course. The picture can be granulated so that it comes down to individuals - like friends of mine - who voted IN or OUT on tiny little issues (like vaping or herbal remedies).
What I am complaining about, mildly, is this lazy media narrative that it was white working class northerners Wot Won It.
It wasn't. The South was majority OUT, and 43% of ABs voted OUT, too
ABs that voted Leave kept (and are keeping) very quiet about it. Friends of mine who did so contacted me privately on facebook (I'd say only 25-30% were for Leave) whilst my mainstream facebook feed is full of Remoaning.
But what's annoying me most today is a lot of 38degree hope-not-hate resharing about trying to boycott the Sun, Mail, and Express.
Or some such.
I automatically think less of any friend of mine who's posted it.
What is it about Facebook that can make you so angry at friends?
Is tonight one of those nights for loony Leavers to frot themselves blind as they conveniently forget that the referendum was fought and won on keeping out foreigners?
In which case, I'll check out again.
All rather simple really and nothing to do with immigration, For 40 years I’ve watched a common market, morph into a political union with aspirations of a federal state. I don’t want to see my country governed from abroad, our laws emasculated, our democracy tainted or our head of state supplanted.
If you wanted to be a really snobby Remainer you could also use a chavometer and say the higher the percentage of chavs, the more likely the place was to vote Leave. Hence Cambridge, Oxford, central London, Monmouth, Tunbridge Wells, Harrogate, Windsor etc all voted Remain, West Bromwich, Merthyr Tydfil, Plymouth, Barking, Harlow, Nuneaton, Nottingham, Bradford, Sunderland, Burnley, Coventry etc all voted Leave.
Even in Scotland Edinburgh had a higher Remain vote than Glasgow
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Faisal Islam feels the same way about Remain as Andrew Neil does about Leave, so I guess they balance out.
Actually, to be fair, I'd say the referendum coverage was broadly balanced by the media, except for the BBC website pumping up a few stories for Remain - e.g. the Wollaston defection.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
How did they vote?
I suspect that when you strip out the remainder it will be very like the rest of the country - see Bexley/Havering etc.
UKIP are really the English (and to a degree Welsh) National Party.
The majority of English Londoners voted Remain, only 5 out of 33 London boroughs voted to Leave, all of them on the outer edge of the City
Is there polling on this?
Well it is a statement of the obvious, English Londoners are disproportionally Labour voters and relatively young and also more likely to be graduates, all groups which voted Remain
Actually I see it more on the benefit vs burden side.
London obviously has benefited the most from the EU, along with those who make their vast fortunes in London (the Cotswold's), plus scotland and N.I. because they see the EU as a counter force to the english.
Breaking it by cosmopolitan finance and anti-english sentiment vs everyone else is a neat way.
You can't say that all multiculturals voted Remain, because heavy muslim areas didn't went for Remain outside of London.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It is nor it home.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
Generally the further away an area was from central London the more likely it was to vote Leave
Mmm. So
I can see why Scots and Norns are hacked off, but there we go. They are intrinsically weaker, smaller, lesser nations, entirely beaten down and colonised, peopled by forelock-tuggers who flinch at the whip. They are unused to the bracing vigours of independence.
It only applies in England and Wales (Monmouthshire and Vale of Glamorgan voted Remain for example and are both close to the English border).
Of course Wales was also colonised and united with England well before Scotland but the Welsh still voted Leave
Monmouthshire is essentially English. 50.4% Remain, probably due to the gentlemen farmers .
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Faisal Islam feels the same way about Remain as Andrew Neil does about Leave, so I guess they balance out.
Actually, to be fair, I'd say the referendum coverage was broadly balanced by the media, except for the BBC website pumping up a few stories for Remain - e.g. the Wollaston defection.
Is tonight one of those nights for loony Leavers to frot themselves blind as they conveniently forget that the referendum was fought and won on keeping out foreigners?
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sovereignty but also even in the south immigration was an issue too. That said whole swathes of SouthEast England did vote Remain, from Tunbridge Wells to Guildford and West Oxfordshire to Epsom
This map of voting is fascinating. Generally, richer areas voted REMAIN, but not always.
Some LEAVE votes are intriguingly intense and decisive. North Devon: 57 to 43 LEAVE. Dorset: universally LEAVE. Etc.
SeanT is right that the map is fascinating. Basically because it's a good proxy for the UK socio-cultural divide.
For example, the hinterland of Cambridge, as well as Cambridge, being 'Remainy'. Plus Bristol, Exeter, Bath, Brighton, Norwich, Oxford, Cardiff and Manchester.
All places that are very left-liberal, yuppie, new worldy, hippy, internationalist, and middle class/graduatey.
I fear Winchester may be going that way too.
A good chunk of the commuter belt too - like Tunbridge Wells, Guildford, Thames Valley and St. Albans. But not all, and not everywhere. Probably status quo voters.
But, anyway, I've never felt as estranged from my own peer group as I have after this vote.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Faisal Islam feels the same way about Remain as Andrew Neil does about Leave, so I guess they balance out.
Actually, to be fair, I'd say the referendum coverage was broadly balanced by the media, except for the BBC website pumping up a few stories for Remain - e.g. the Wollaston defection.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
Faisal Islam feels the same way about Remain as Andrew Neil does about Leave, so I guess they balance out.
Faisal is the very definition of a journalist from The Bubble.
I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel in the days immediately after Brexit. Felt like reaching into the telly and saying "calm yourself Faisal. It may seem like the world has ended in London but life goes on for the rest of us".
The formidable Laura K was much more stoical about it all I felt.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
It's easier to say England voted Leave. It was only London, which has relatively few Englishmen in it, that voted otherwise.
There are at least 4-5 million Englishmen in London (even accounting for the high foreign born population) which is more than the entire population of Wales.
How did they vote?
I suspect that when you strip out the remainder it will be very like the rest of the country - see Bexley/Havering etc.
UKIP are really the English (and to a degree Welsh) National Party.
The majority of English Londoners voted Remain, only 5 out of 33 London boroughs voted to Leave, all of them on the outer edge of the City
Is there polling on this?
Well it is a statement of the obvious, English Londoners are disproportionally Labour voters and relatively young and also more likely to be graduates, all groups which voted Remain
Actually I see it more on the benefit vs burden side.
London obviously has benefited the most from the EU, along with those who make their vast fortunes in London (the Cotswold's), plus scotland and N.I. because they see the EU as a counter force to the english.
Breaking it by cosmopolitan finance and anti-english sentiment vs everyone else is a neat way.
You can't say that all multiculturals voted Remain, because heavy muslim areas didn't went for Remain outside of London.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sover
This map of voting is fascinating
Lol @ Bradford voting Leave.
SeanT is right that the map is fascinating. Basically because it's a good proxy for the UK socio-cultural divide.
For example, the hinterland of Cambridge, as well as Cambridge, being 'Remainy'. Plus Bristol, Exeter, Bath, Brighton, Norwich, Oxford, Cardiff and Manchester.
All places that are very left-liberal, yuppie, new worldy, hippy, internationalist, and middle class/graduatey.
I fear Winchester may be going that way too.
A good chunk of the commuter belt too - like Tunbridge Wells, Guildford, Thames Valley and St. Albans. But not all, and not everywhere. Probably status quo voters.
But, anyway, I've never felt as estranged from my own peer group as I have after this vote.
Basically areas with lots of graduates and which were reasonably well off voted Remain, areas with lots of working class voters and which have not done so well out of the country's prosperity voted Leave
Indeed there was a far greater class divide in the EU referendum than there was at the last general election.
Just a little note regarding the killing of a jihadist in Ontario earlier.
An intercept, especially of someone like Aaron Driver who wasn't just inspired but would have had an influencer or a network mentoring him for a bit, is an almost ideal in having an impact on the likes of IS and wannabe associates.
1. It raises security concerns and IS are paranoid about it. The use of an opponents paranoia is a good weapon in damaging and destroying them.
2. For a Jihadist, especially one without battlefield experience, the thought of not even having your moment of glory before you get a hole in your head is not attractive.
3. Thinking that could actually happen is going to change your behaviour and that can get you noticed.
As much of carrying out an intercept just before the act is risky, its absolutely blunt nature (mainly because the perpetrator ends up dying) really sends signals especially if it appears the police had time to prepare their move.
Sadly the source and nature of the information leading to Driver has come out, which is a balls.
On an unrelated note, Russia have a habit of doing military stuff near its borders in August and they certainly seem to be looking for (or creating) a precedent on the Crimean border with Ukraine.
There are certainly some oddities in the Leave/Remain figures by area.
Not far from where I live, true-blue, prosperous, middle-class Tunbridge Wells voted Remain, whereas just a few miles away true-blue, prosperous, middle-class Sevenoaks voted Leave. The demographics are very similar, except that, of the two, Sevenoaks is wealthier and more fully stuffed with commuting lawyers and bankers.
Watching Faisal Islam's Out and Proud about Brexit.
It's good, but it's the same lazy narrative. The white working class notherners swang it. Did they??
Arguably they were bound to vote OUT: nothing to lose.
And if it was just them OUT would have lost by Nabavi's 70/30
What swang it was people like ME; affluent southerners, with money to lose, who still voted OUT. It would be nice if some journalist eventually interviewed the 43% of AB professionals, or the majority of southerners, who voted OUT...
The South did vote Leave if you take the region as a whole but London voted Remain by a big margin and the South East only voted Leave by 51% to 49%, it was the Midlands, the East, Yorkshire and the North East which had the biggest margins for Leave and which won it for Brexit
Yes, but the South voted OUT. Which is quite astonishing and counterfactual if all you watch is these endless TV documentaries saying it was all down to WWC northerners.
It wasn't. The vote was won, as most votes are in the UK, by its most populous region: southern England.
It.
Yep, that's my analysis, and it's more interesting - to my mind - than the northern WWC voting OUT
Why did people like ME - prosperous southerners, with stuff to lose - vote GO?
Sover
This map of voting is fascinating
Lol @ Bradford voting Leave.
SeanT
Basically areas with lots of graduates and which were reasonably well off voted Remain, areas with lots of working class voters and which were have not done so well out of the country's prosperity voted Leave
Indeed there was a far greater class divide in the EU referendum than there was at the last general election.
But I think that's an oversimplification that papers over the cracks of a lot of nuances, and draws the wrong conclusions.
Too easy to fall into a trap of wealthy/educated = Remain, and poor/stupid = Leave.
Which many people do fall into, willingly, of course. Particularly Remainers.
Comments
And second
Clinton 86.2 .. Trump 13.8 - Polls Only
Clinton 76.1 .. Trump 23.9 - Polls Plus
Clinton 88.7 .. Trump 11.2 - Nowcast
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now
The Trump collapse has not been uniform as his model assumes.
We have enough proof from enough state polls to disprove his model.
For instance N.Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Nevada, and Missouri are on the edge according to state polls, but in his model there are not.
#FullOfBullishness or is it #FullOfBullshit
Clinton 45 .. Trump 44
http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/OS-FL-General-8.11.16.pdf
Corbyn
Portsmouth, 75 to 13
Clacton, 49 to 21
Enfield North, 88 to 40
Sevenoaks
Bedford
Elmet and Rothwell, 68 to 32
Wellingborough
Blackley and Broughton, 74 to 15
Solihull
Halesowen and Rowley Regis
Mid Worcestershire
Hyndburn
South East Cambridgeshire
Winchester, 86 to 35
South Ribble
Smith
Twickenham, 76 to 70
Glasgow Cathcart
Ealing Central
Ayl
Batley and Spen
Galloway and West Dumfries
Dumfriesshire
Mitcham and Morden
Inverness & Nairn: 22 to 7
Greenock and Inverclyde
Uddingston and Bellshill
Rutherglen
Clydesdale
Corbyn:
Barrow and Furness: 100 to 36
Bolton West
Derbyshire Dales
Edinburgh Central, 43 to 24
Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale
Bradford East 49 to 5
Bolton NE
Sefton Central 107 to 44
Torbay
Glasgow Soutshide
Aberdeen Donside: 13 to 4
North Shropshire
Midlothian North
Tottenham
Sherwood 52 to 12
Gloucester 80 to 23
Northampton North
Northampton South
Dundee East
Dundee West
Stalybridge and Hyde
Clydebank and Milngavie
It's 2030. You have £10 in your pocket. The EU fairy appears and gives you 40p. "Thanks for staying, here's your bonus".
"As the voting was explained, one woman asked, suspicion in her voice, how we knew the ballot boxes were empty, leading to the bizarre sight of party scrutineers carrying upside-down ballot boxes through the crowd so anyone who wanted to could check."
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Kenya said sprint coach John Anzrah "presented himself as an athlete" and "even signed the documents" for the doping test.
Everyone can do it due to the small number of swing states, provided they look at the state polls, instead of the national polls.
"Clutching Momentum and socialist party banners, and placards reading ‘Geordies got ya back Corbyn’, the crowd swarmed around the Labour leader as he got out of his car. Owen Smith received no such welcome."
But also, professionals swung it, with 43% voting Leave, compared to the 35% or so that had been expected.
In truth, class, geography, social attitudes all interacted. In Essex or Kent say, most professional people likely voted Leave. In London or Surrey, they voted Remain.
Maine, New York and Florida are going to vote to the right of Pennsylvania and Georgia.
I suspect that when you strip out the remainder it will be very like the rest of the country - see Bexley/Havering etc.
UKIP are really the English (and to a degree Welsh) National Party.
Going to need to up it up for the final.
Corbyn says he can never say never, because there have been wars of liberation which should be fought. But he says there has to be a holistic approach to war and peace, mentioning arms sales to Saudi Arabia while the nation fights a war in Yemen.
First, what the f--- is a 'holistic approach to war and peace'?*
*ok, I know what it means in context, taking a joined up approach etc etc, but by gods I hate seeing that awful word, holistic, used in the context of something serious, since whatever it's actual meaning, what it usually signifies is bullsh*t.
Second, is a war powers act to ensure parliament has to vote on future wars really a good idea? What if immediate action is required? Given the need to act in emergencies, presumably there would be provisions to cover some action, so we'd get into the situation where we never ever declare war no matter how much we get involved.
Bless his heart, Smith is trying. He has forgotten that Corbyn's rebellions against the party are always justified. Even when rebelling while Leader.
Still peddling that one, are they?
Tories certainly implied Labour caused it, but as senior people as David Cameron in conference speeches specified Labour did not cause it, but that they made it worse and made recovery harder. People will disagree with that too, but despite the implication they caused it, maintaining the problem was too much stating Labour caused it is a comfort blanket.
Watching at the state polls right now, Hillary would win 291, Trump 144 and 103 EV would be too close to call.
Nevada, Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Georgia, Missouri, Maine's CD-2, S.Carolina and N.Carolina would be too close to call, with Ohio and Nebraska's CD-2 just above that zone for Hillary.
I don't need Nate Silver to tell me that.
Now if Trump ever recovers, his recovery would probably be just as uneven as his slump.
But so far Pennsylvania, N.H and Maine are the states to watch to see if Trump has a chance.
Gordon is and was a moron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTKORcr1jhY
Australian cricket star releases Bollywood film
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37008172
But US Presidents have found a trick of ordering military action without a declaration of war, a very controversial tactic that has cost Presidents who use it a lot of political capital.
And has made the american public very sensitive to military action.
We didn't, and we haven't.
I find that very comforting and reassuring.
The cost and corruption associated with them at a time of economic and political crisis in Brazil has tarnished them.
These are the worst Olympics in a century.
But what can you expect ?
No country can withstand the burden of hosting both the World Cup and the Olympics in just 2 years.
And, even better, the roof didn't fall in.
Remainiacs really overplayed their hand, eh?
Of course Wales was also colonised and united with England well before Scotland but the Welsh still voted Leave
Remain lost not only because of swing areas, but because it didn't convince even in places where it should have won by miles.
Incidentally, Moray almost went Leave - Remain only carried it by a whisker. I really wish it had gone Leave to sour Sturgeon's EU milk.
In which case, I'll check out again.
But what's annoying me most today is a lot of 38degree hope-not-hate resharing about trying to boycott the Sun, Mail, and Express.
Or some such.
I automatically think less of any friend of mine who's posted it.
What is it about Facebook that can make you so angry at friends?
Even in Scotland Edinburgh had a higher Remain vote than Glasgow
Actually, to be fair, I'd say the referendum coverage was broadly balanced by the media, except for the BBC website pumping up a few stories for Remain - e.g. the Wollaston defection.
London obviously has benefited the most from the EU, along with those who make their vast fortunes in London (the Cotswold's), plus scotland and N.I. because they see the EU as a counter force to the english.
Breaking it by cosmopolitan finance and anti-english sentiment vs everyone else is a neat way.
You can't say that all multiculturals voted Remain, because heavy muslim areas didn't went for Remain outside of London.
For example, the hinterland of Cambridge, as well as Cambridge, being 'Remainy'. Plus Bristol, Exeter, Bath, Brighton, Norwich, Oxford, Cardiff and Manchester.
All places that are very left-liberal, yuppie, new worldy, hippy, internationalist, and middle class/graduatey.
I fear Winchester may be going that way too.
A good chunk of the commuter belt too - like Tunbridge Wells, Guildford, Thames Valley and St. Albans. But not all, and not everywhere. Probably status quo voters.
But, anyway, I've never felt as estranged from my own peer group as I have after this vote.
I thought he was going to burst a blood vessel in the days immediately after Brexit. Felt like reaching into the telly and saying "calm yourself Faisal. It may seem like the world has ended in London but life goes on for the rest of us".
The formidable Laura K was much more stoical about it all I felt.
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
Indeed there was a far greater class divide in the EU referendum than there was at the last general election.
An intercept, especially of someone like Aaron Driver who wasn't just inspired but would have had an influencer or a network mentoring him for a bit, is an almost ideal in having an impact on the likes of IS and wannabe associates.
1. It raises security concerns and IS are paranoid about it. The use of an opponents paranoia is a good weapon in damaging and destroying them.
2. For a Jihadist, especially one without battlefield experience, the thought of not even having your moment of glory before you get a hole in your head is not attractive.
3. Thinking that could actually happen is going to change your behaviour and that can get you noticed.
As much of carrying out an intercept just before the act is risky, its absolutely blunt nature (mainly because the perpetrator ends up dying) really sends signals especially if it appears the police had time to prepare their move.
Sadly the source and nature of the information leading to Driver has come out, which is a balls.
On an unrelated note, Russia have a habit of doing military stuff near its borders in August and they certainly seem to be looking for (or creating) a precedent on the Crimean border with Ukraine.
Not far from where I live, true-blue, prosperous, middle-class Tunbridge Wells voted Remain, whereas just a few miles away true-blue, prosperous, middle-class Sevenoaks voted Leave. The demographics are very similar, except that, of the two, Sevenoaks is wealthier and more fully stuffed with commuting lawyers and bankers.
Too easy to fall into a trap of wealthy/educated = Remain, and poor/stupid = Leave.
Which many people do fall into, willingly, of course. Particularly Remainers.