Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
How is Thomas at catching moles? My feline has only caught the one, preferring voles, mice and rabbits. I point her at the molehills in my lawn in vain and have resorted to planting wild garlic to drive the little blighters away.
Keyword is 'marginally'. I hope it is so, but like so many other things a lot will depend on how things play out with article 50.
Besides, surely Nicola will only read The National?
Would she go for it if it were marginal though? Another loss and that's it surely.
Depends how they read the tea leaves - the EU exit will surely provide moments of opportunity where Indy tensions could rise and be seized, and last time they got to 45% when they were polling less than that previously, so do they think starting at marginally over or under 50% would lead to a win at the end of a grueling campaign, or do they think they might trip up and, as you say, probably settle the question for a long time if they lose.
I think the temptation to try will be immense for them, and there will be moments when the polls seem to favour it.
Keyword is 'marginally'. I hope it is so, but like so many other things a lot will depend on how things play out with article 50.
Besides, surely Nicola will only read The National?
Would she go for it if it were marginal though? Another loss and that's it surely.
Depends how they read the tea leaves - the EU exit will surely provide moments of opportunity where Indy tensions could rise and be seized, and last time they got to 45% when they were polling less than that previously, so do they think starting at marginally over or under 50% would lead to a win at the end of a grueling campaign, or do they think they might trip up and, as you say, probably settle the question for a long time if they lose.
I think the temptation to try will be immense for them, and there will be moments when the polls seem to favour it.
About 85% of Scotland's exports are to either England or the RoW. I'm the first to say that it isn't all about money, but it's a big hill to climb.
Parents are seeking legal advice in bid to get compensation for named person intrusion into their family lives after the UK’s highest court ruled the Scottish Government’s controversial scheme was unlawful.
Anti-named persons campaigners claim people from areas of Scotland where the scheme is already up and running have contacted them and are considering legal action following the UK Supreme Court judgement.
The No to Named Persons (NO2NP) campaign estimates the legal actions could amount to a multi-million sum after five senior judges ruled that the scheme risked breaching Article 8 of the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR).
In that particular instance they were actually elected as an Indy rather than just crossed the floor, but I think its pretty common at county, district and unitary level when groups are fairly strong. I read of a Green leader leave his group to go Conservative in one area. Round my way the LDs have lost several crossing to indy and a couple to Con since 2013, and one of the latter occurred a month after the election!
Personally I think a lot of local politicians at such a level can be pretty loosely attached to a party, and local politics and personalities can lead to shifts quite rapidly.
(Cannot beat that French MEP who was elected under the FN and left 24 hours after the election, which enabled her to join the European group of Farage, who was not willing to ally with FN)
That's an interesting point about PR I suppose: what happens if someone elected purely because they were on a party list wants to swap to another party?
I don't see why that is any different from someone elected on a party ticket under any system, who wishes to change sides? Even in a list system, you are in theory voting for the individuals on the list, rather than the party, even though in practice most people choose the party (as they do under FPTP).
We've now had around 36 hours without any barbaric incidents. Fingers crossed.
*Edit* Only one bank 'failed' the ECB stress test, though they're using a pretty gentle definition of 'stress'. Goodish news.
The usual whitewash
The ECB stress tests are actually pretty rigorous, what is lazy is the media division into 'pass and fail' - and in particular the use of 0% as the mark. Truth be told: any bank that falls below (say) 5% tier one in the stress scenario probably should raise capital. And, realistically, I think that is what will happen following these tests.
It's heartening that BMPS - who did least well in the tests - is offloading EUR10bn of bad debts and raising EUR5bn of new capital immediately after the tests.
That's still just can kicking.
BMPS isn't that big, and Italians don't owe that much money. (People talk about it as Italy's third largest lender, but in the UK, a balance sheet of 45 billion quid would make you about twelfth - and about 5% of the size of number one.)
And all banking is - ultimately - just can kicking. The entire UK banking sector was technically bust for most of the 1980s, as loans to LatAm were not being paid.
Keyword is 'marginally'. I hope it is so, but like so many other things a lot will depend on how things play out with article 50.
Besides, surely Nicola will only read The National?
Would she go for it if it were marginal though? Another loss and that's it surely.
Depends how they read the tea leaves - the EU exit will surely provide moments of opportunity where Indy tensions could rise and be seized, and last time they got to 45% when they were polling less than that previously, so do they think starting at marginally over or under 50% would lead to a win at the end of a grueling campaign, or do they think they might trip up and, as you say, probably settle the question for a long time if they lose.
I think the temptation to try will be immense for them, and there will be moments when the polls seem to favour it.
About 85% of Scotland's exports are to either England or the RoW. I'm the first to say that it isn't all about money, but it's a big hill to climb.
It's an extra 5% swing from last time, presuming the same turnout (which if Union supporters are less effusive following the EU business, may be so). I am admittedly very pessimistic on this issue, but it's not as big a shift that is needed as it seems - the economic case was made last time and Yes got 45%. Can an extra 5% decide either that case is wrong, or that going Indy is worth the price?
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Keyword is 'marginally'. I hope it is so, but like so many other things a lot will depend on how things play out with article 50.
Besides, surely Nicola will only read The National?
Would she go for it if it were marginal though? Another loss and that's it surely.
Depends how they read the tea leaves - the EU exit will surely provide moments of opportunity where Indy tensions could rise and be seized, and last time they got to 45% when they were polling less than that previously, so do they think starting at marginally over or under 50% would lead to a win at the end of a grueling campaign, or do they think they might trip up and, as you say, probably settle the question for a long time if they lose.
I think the temptation to try will be immense for them, and there will be moments when the polls seem to favour it.
Our fiercest cat was "Bo Diddley", a middle sized ginger. He would "have" interlopers with deadly focus, but was absolutely soft with us, except if one tried to take a kill away from him. My local cycle shop had a similar ginger cat, but, so I was told, it attacked a car's wheel and came off second best.
Looks like the Septics, brain surgeons all, have hit a Save the Children maternity hospital in Syria. What are they going to do for an encore, strangle a basket of kittens?
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
Disappointed that there's no candle holder, but otherwise, a must have.
There are nicer versions which do have a candle holder.
You mean for the coming age of power cuts post Hinckley point?
Only if you enjoy lingering in cold baths!
I have to report that one is now in my Amazon basket.
I was impressed by the advert which stated,
"... holds all your books/ ipad/ phone/ ashtray/ wine glass/ soap/ razor/ towel/ bath ball ."
I will confess to reading in the bath many years ago, and Herself would sometime take a large vodka and tonic into her hour long sessions, but smoking or shaving in the bath, nah. And what the heck is a bath ball?
I often live like a Roman. Luxuriating in the bath, reading, surfing the net or on the phone are great pleasures during a prolonged soak.
In a hot steamy climate, my favourite is an Indonesian style mandi wash. Cold water in a large ceramic jar, kept cool by evaporation through the walls of the jar, and a large ladle to pour it over oneself. It seems a bit odd at first, but very refreshing in the hot sticky heat of the tropics, particularly when living without A/C or electricity, but not so suited to our temperate climate.
Golly. I shall tell Herself about a mandi wash. Given the length of time she stays in the bath and the temperature of the room when she finally comes out she might find it interesting.
We are currently having our main bathroom re-done. The new version will have a five foot tall independently controlled electric towel rail, as well as improvements to the heating and hot water systems. I fear once the work is finished she may spend even longer in there.
Pretty much what I have although I think Florida, NH and Colorado could easily flip to Donald.
Trump presently leads in Florida by 0.3% with RCP, Clinton in NH by 3.7% and in Colorado by 8%. Nationally it is exactly tied 44.3% each. In order of 2012 Obama states likely to switch to Trump RCP has it 1 Nevada 2 Florida 3 Iowa 4 Ohio 5 NH 6 Pennsylvania 7 Michigan 8 Virginia 9 Wisconsin 10 Colorado
Keyword is 'marginally'. I hope it is so, but like so many other things a lot will depend on how things play out with article 50.
Besides, surely Nicola will only read The National?
Would she go for it if it were marginal though? Another loss and that's it surely.
Depends how they read the tea leaves - the EU exit will surely provide moments of opportunity where Indy tensions could rise and be seized, and last time they got to 45% when they were polling less than that previously, so do they think starting at marginally over or under 50% would lead to a win at the end of a grueling campaign, or do they think they might trip up and, as you say, probably settle the question for a long time if they lose.
I think the temptation to try will be immense for them, and there will be moments when the polls seem to favour it.
About 85% of Scotland's exports are to either England or the RoW. I'm the first to say that it isn't all about money, but it's a big hill to climb.
It's an extra 5% swing from last time, presuming the same turnout (which if Union supporters are less effusive following the EU business, may be so). I am admittedly very pessimistic on this issue, but it's not as big a shift that is needed as it seems - the economic case was made last time and Yes got 45%. Can an extra 5% decide either that case is wrong, or that going Indy is worth the price?
Independence isn't sensible. But then, Brexit wasn't sensible but we still voted for it.
Funnily enough, fatigue may save the Union. We have been arguing about the Constitution non-stop since 2012, a subject that isn't of compelling interest to most people, even if they think it should be important. At some point have to get on with your life.
Disappointed that there's no candle holder, but otherwise, a must have.
There are nicer versions which do have a candle holder.
You mean for the coming age of power cuts post Hinckley point?
Only if you enjoy lingering in cold baths!
I have to report that one is now in my Amazon basket.
I was
I often live like a Roman. Luxuriating in the bath, reading, surfing the net or on the phone are great pleasures during a prolonged soak.
In a hot steamy climate, my favourite is an Indonesian style mandi wash. Cold water in a large ceramic jar, kept cool by evaporation through the walls of the jar, and a large ladle to pour it over oneself. It seems a bit odd at first, but very refreshing in the hot sticky heat of the tropics, particularly when living without A/C or electricity, but not so suited to our temperate climate.
Golly. I shall tell Herself about a mandi wash. Given the length of time she stays in the bath and the temperature of the room when she finally comes out she might find it interesting.
We are currently having our main bathroom re-done. The new version will have a five foot tall independently controlled electric towel rail, as well as improvements to the heating and hot water systems. I fear once the work is finished she may spend even longer in there.
For truly lingering baths I would recommend side taps as it is easier to hang your feet over the end when over heating. It would make the gadget more difficult to use though.
While traditional cast Iron enamel baths have a certain style, the water does cool more quickly. Plastic baths can be annoyingly flexible though keeping the water warm for longer. The key is to get them fitted by someone who understands the issue and fits a proper metal cradle and fine tunes it.
A lifetime of experience!
A mandi is best suited to a hot climate with ambient temperature of 35 or so, and is very economical of water too, which is often an issue in rural areas in africa that are off grid.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
Looks like the Septics, brain surgeons all, have hit a Save the Children maternity hospital in Syria. What are they going to do for an encore, strangle a basket of kittens?
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
Russia is arguably the biggest terrorist right now in terms of innocents killed.
Looks like the Septics, brain surgeons all, have hit a Save the Children maternity hospital in Syria. What are they going to do for an encore, strangle a basket of kittens?
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
Russia is arguably the biggest terrorist right now in terms of innocents killed.
War is war. The Russians know that wars are won by the most ruthless.
We've now had around 36 hours without any barbaric incidents. Fingers crossed.
*Edit* Only one bank 'failed' the ECB stress test, though they're using a pretty gentle definition of 'stress'. Goodish news.
The usual whitewash
The ECB stress tests are actually pretty rigorous, what is lazy is the media division into 'pass and fail' - and in particular the use of 0% as the mark. Truth be told: any bank that falls below (say) 5% tier one in the stress scenario probably should raise capital. And, realistically, I think that is what will happen following these tests.
It's heartening that BMPS - who did least well in the tests - is offloading EUR10bn of bad debts and raising EUR5bn of new capital immediately after the tests.
Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
How is Thomas at catching moles? My feline has only caught the one, preferring voles, mice and rabbits. I point her at the molehills in my lawn in vain and have resorted to planting wild garlic to drive the little blighters away.
I think Thomas is very good at keeping moles out of the garden. At least we have not had any sign of moles since he arrived. The same can be said of voles, mice, rats, foxes and elves. The last being the most important.
Seriously, just ask Morris_Dancer, gent of this parish. Elves are complete and utter bastards and once they get into a garden then fairly soon they will get into the house and then there is no hope of a quiet life. Fortunately elves are terrified of cats and cats hate elves. So having a well balanced and well fed moggie roaming the house and grounds keeps them away.
In thirty odd years of marriage we have always had at least one cat about the place and we have never been troubled by elves or rats, mice, voles, moles, foxes. There is a squirrel that keeps raiding our bird feeders though - Thomas ignores it, I laugh at it, only Herself gets cross, maybe she should string up some garlic to drive it away.
Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
Two of our doggies just earned their keep killing a groundhog in the back field during our daily perambulations.
I think it's funny and/or disturbing that Chinese citizens can be polled by YouGov on who they would vote for as President of the USA, but polling on who should be President of China is a rather different matter - even saying that there should be the right to be polled on the matter will get you in prison!
"... holds all your books/ ipad/ phone/ ashtray/ wine glass/ soap/ razor/ towel/ bath ball ."
I will confess to reading in the bath many years ago, and Herself would sometime take a large vodka and tonic into her hour long sessions, but smoking or shaving in the bath, nah. And what the heck is a bath ball?
I often live like a Roman. Luxuriating in the bath, reading, surfing the net or on the phone are great pleasures during a prolonged soak.
In a hot steamy climate, my favourite is an Indonesian style mandi wash. Cold water in a large ceramic jar, kept cool by evaporation through the walls of the jar, and a large ladle to pour it over oneself. It seems a bit odd at first, but very refreshing in the hot sticky heat of the tropics, particularly when living without A/C or electricity, but not so suited to our temperate climate.
I think it's funny and/or disturbing that Chinese citizens can be polled by YouGov on who they would vote for as President of the USA, but polling on who should be President of China is a rather different matter - even saying that there should be the right to be polled on the matter will get you in prison!
Yes, of those G20 countries only China and Saudi Arabia (and arguably Russia and Turkey) do not have free and fair elections in the 21st century. It cannot be that long before the growing Chinese middle class starts to demand the same choice in electing its government it now has in choosing what goods to buy
Looks like the Septics, brain surgeons all, have hit a Save the Children maternity hospital in Syria. What are they going to do for an encore, strangle a basket of kittens?
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
Russia is arguably the biggest terrorist right now in terms of innocents killed.
War is war. The Russians know that wars are won by the most ruthless.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
Looks like the Septics, brain surgeons all, have hit a Save the Children maternity hospital in Syria. What are they going to do for an encore, strangle a basket of kittens?
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
Russia is arguably the biggest terrorist right now in terms of innocents killed.
War is war. The Russians know that wars are won by the most ruthless.
*Betting Post* Marnie for CBB @ 5/1 on Betfair looks a bit of value. Geordie Shore bods have done quite well on other reality shows in the last couple of years. Charlotte, Vicky and Scotty T have all been winners. As PfP says DYOR.
Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
Two of our doggies just earned their keep killing a groundhog in the back field during our daily perambulations.
Good for them Mr.T, though I confess I have no idea what a groundhog is.
However, on this site you, perhaps, need to be careful about admitting your dogs killed something. A bit too close to hunting with hounds, don't you know, and lots of people get very upset about that.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
Two of our doggies just earned their keep killing a groundhog in the back field during our daily perambulations.
Good for them Mr.T, though I confess I have no idea what a groundhog is.
However, on this site you, perhaps, need to be careful about admitting you dogs killed something. A bit too close to hunting with hounds, don't you know and lots of people get very upset about that.
We've a free pass now. Lefties thought that Byron Burger were wrong to obey the law. Sauce for the goose etc. - hunt away.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May will find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Looks like the Septics, brain surgeons all, have hit a Save the Children maternity hospital in Syria. What are they going to do for an encore, strangle a basket of kittens?
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
Russia is arguably the biggest terrorist right now in terms of innocents killed.
War is war. The Russians know that wars are won by the most ruthless.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Good Lord. Citation required. You can't just pluck facts from your fundament.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May will find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
I imagine you believe in fairies as well, no?
No, that is the most likely option, already the EU has already offered the UK a suspension of free movement and a deal is set to be done with Switzerland on some free movement controls. If no deal is done we face a recession in the UK, perhaps even worse than that of 2008
Looks like the Septics, brain surgeons all, have hit a Save the Children maternity hospital in Syria. What are they going to do for an encore, strangle a basket of kittens?
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
Russia is arguably the biggest terrorist right now in terms of innocents killed.
War is war. The Russians know that wars are won by the most ruthless.
Hitler was pretty ruthless.
Stalin even more so.
Curtis LeMay and Patton too.
Zhukov is my nomination. He could argue the toss with Stalin and was unsparing of Red Army troops.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
The supremacy of parliament over the ECJ and the complete repatriation of border control will be inflammatory touchstone issues politically. They will not easily be fudged. You are right that leaving the single market would crank up the economic risk, but I do wonder if your overall outlook on hard Brexit is a little apocalyptic.
Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
Two of our doggies just earned their keep killing a groundhog in the back field during our daily perambulations.
Good for them Mr.T, though I confess I have no idea what a groundhog is.
However, on this site you, perhaps, need to be careful about admitting your dogs killed something. A bit too close to hunting with hounds, don't you know, and lots of people get very upset about that.
Groundhogs are dangerous animals if you have livestock or horses. They create large burrows which can collapse and break a horse or cow's leg, which means being put down. They also undermine building and gnaw holes in wooden sheds and barns. On top of that they are vicious like a badger, with large teeth that gnash as such high speed they sound like a deadly sewing machine at full tilt.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May will find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
I imagine you believe in fairies as well, no?
HYUFD believes in Osborne predictions! Same thing as fairies.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Good Lord. Citation required. You can't just pluck facts from your fundament.
The bullsh*t that was evident in such huge quantities before the referendum continues to flow, I'm afraid.
My current prediction for the US election would be for Trump to win all the Romney states plus Ohio and Pennsylvania, which would give him 26 states. Hillary wins the election.
Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
Two of our doggies just earned their keep killing a groundhog in the back field during our daily perambulations.
I really do not know why you would want to boast about this in this pompous way. You must be very sad and a bit twisted
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Which is what makes this whole thing fascinating at one level. We've rejected all-in: all-out is too dumb and grim to contemplate; half-in and half-out will take years to sort out and probably won't work anyway. Where does that leave us?
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
The supremacy of parliament over the ECJ and the complete repatriation of border control will be inflammatory touchstone issues politically. They will not easily be fudged. You are right that leaving the single market would crank up the economic risk, but I do wonder if your overall outlook on hard Brexit is a little apocalyptic.
About 1/3 of the electorate wants full repatriation of border control and an end to free movement, 2/3 of the electorate want access to the single market even if we leave the EU. The City and the FTSE 100 are also in the latter. The 2/3 of the electorate will win the day and May will do some form of fudge over free movement, notice how she says she wants to 'control free movement' not 'end it'. If some of the 1/3 then move to UKIP in disgust then so be it!
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Which is what makes this whole thing fascinating at one level. We've rejected all-in: all-out is too dumb and grim to contemplate; half-in and half-out will take years to sort out and probably won't work anyway. Where does that leave us?
Half-in, half-out inevitably, it will annoy Leavers and still not satisfy Remainers but it is the only option now
Me too. Mind you there are somethings that one has to go to Tescos for. Their salmon flakes with honey for example, my cat loves them and they cannot be found in Waitrose.
Tesco? You are dead to me.
Fair enough, but you point me to an alternative supplier of my cat's current favourite food. Waitrose is good for his cold roast chicken and his prawns but it does not sell his beloved salmon flakes.
P.S. I find Waitrose wine prices are, generally, outrageous but their own blend vodka at £12 a bottle is jolly good value, their in house whisky not so much.
... I appreciate that you must do the bidding of your feline master.
Now just a minute, Mr. M. I want to make it quite clear that I do not have a feline master. I do not even keep a pet. Thomas, like The Brute before him and a whole line of moggies before him, is a working cat.
Like Mrs Free, lady of this parish, I keep a cat with the firm expectation that he or, in the past, she will perform essential tasks in and around the house. There is no freeloading let alone becoming master. Of course a labourer is worthy of his hire and so I make sure I pay Thomas well and if that means going to Tesco once a week, well, dagnabbit, that is what I will do.
Two of our doggies just earned their keep killing a groundhog in the back field during our daily perambulations.
I really do not know why you would want to boast about this in this pompous way. You must be very sad and a bit twisted
No, I live on a farm and have to take care of animals.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Which is what makes this whole thing fascinating at one level. We've rejected all-in: all-out is too dumb and grim to contemplate; half-in and half-out will take years to sort out and probably won't work anyway. Where does that leave us?
Half-in, half-out inevitably, it will annoy Leavers and still not satisfy Remainers but it is the only option now
Truthfully, I am not sure it is an option at a practical level.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free
Which is what makes this whole thing fascinating at one level. We've rejected all-in: all-out is too dumb and grim to contemplate; half-in and half-out will take years to sort out and probably won't work anyway. Where does that leave us?
Half-in, half-out inevitably, it will annoy Leavers and still not satisfy Remainers but it is the only option now
Truthfully, I am not sure it is an option at a practical level.
When the other option is mass redundancies and a collapsing currency and May looking at her approval ratings seeing the fastest dive since Tom Daley, it will have to be an option
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If fre
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Yet more scaremongering!
Not scaremongering, fact. The £ fell to its lowest level since 1985 against the US dollar in the weeks after Brexit
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Would they? markets often react irrationally in the short term but will tend to find their own level. Leaving the single market won't mean an end to trade with EU states and though there might be a slight slowing effect, it's not going to crash the economy. Why would it?
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If fre
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Yet more scaremongering!
Not scaremongering, fact. The £ fell to its lowest level since 1985 against the US dollar in the weeks after Brexit
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could tr
If the UK stays more or less wit.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Would they? markets often react irrationally in the short term but will tend to find their own level. Leaving the single market won't mean an end to trade with EU states and though there might be a slight slowing effect, it's not going to crash the economy. Why would it?
Yes and the present level of $1.32 to the £ is still significantly less than the $1.48 it was trading at just before the referendum let alone the $1.57 it was trading at a year ago. Leaving the single market will not take us back to the caves but obviously it is going to seriously hit growth and in all probability lead to a recession, companies will invest on the continent rather than the UK when they have no access to the single market and free movement when based here and the £ will clearly fall yet further
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If fre
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Yet more scaremongering!
Not scaremongering, fact. The £ fell to its lowest level since 1985 against the US dollar in the weeks after Brexit
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could tr
If the UK stays more or less wit.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Would they? markets often react irrationally in the short term but will tend to find their own level. Leaving the single market won't mean an end to trade with EU states and though there might be a slight slowing effect, it's not going to crash the economy. Why would it?
Yes and the present level of $1.32 to the £ is still significantly less than the $1.48 it was trading at just before the referendum let alone the $1.57 it was trading at a year ago. Leaving the single market will not take us back to the caves but obviously it is going to seriously hit growth and in all probability lead to a recession, companies will invest on the continent rather than the UK when they have no access to the single market and free movement when based here and the £ will clearly fall yet further
It's nonsense that there won't be any access to the Single market; it's just that access would't be quite a free as it is now.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could tr
If the UK stays more or less wit.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Would they? markets often react irrationally in the short term but will tend to find their own level. Leaving the single market won't mean an end to trade with EU states and though there might be a slight slowing effect, it's not going to crash the economy. Why would it?
Yes and the present level of $1.32 to the £ is still significantly less than the $1.48 it was trading at just before the refere
It's nonsense that there won't be any access to the Single market; it's just that access would't be quite a free as it is now.
Kippers and the likes of Cash, Redwood, Rees-Mogg and IDS are quite willing to sacrifice access to the Single Market as long as they get a complete end to free movement
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
The state of the Balance of Payments is so dire that a weaker pound is exactly what we need!
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
The state of the Balance of Payments is so dire that a weaker pound is exactly what we need!
Not when it falls so low it leads to a significant rise in inflation and people have to cut back on their annual foreign holiday. Exit from the single market would also lead to significantly lower levels of investment in the UK, leading to fewer jobs being created and rising unemployment
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Good Lord. Citation required. You can't just pluck facts from your fundament.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
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If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
The state of the Balance of Payments is so dire that a weaker pound is exactly what we need!
Yes the downtrend in cable has been in force since mid-2014. Brexit merely saw the next leg down take shape.
The hard Brexit catastrophe meme is just a piece of conventional wisdom. - sometimes right though often wrong. It is terra incognita - we just don't knpw.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If fre
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Yet more scaremongering!
Not scaremongering, fact. The £ fell to its lowest level since 1985 against the US dollar in the weeks after Brexit
And where is it now?
Now sterling is only about 10 per cent devalued, a bit under the Wilson devaluation. If one had sold a flat in London and bought a Spanish property one might be 50k richer now.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
The state of the Balance of Payments is so dire that a weaker pound is exactly what we need!
Not when it falls so low it leads to a significant rise in inflation and people have to cut back on their annual foreign holiday. Exit from the single market would also lead to significantly lower levels of investment in the UK, leading to fewer jobs being created and rising unemployment
If people cut back on foreign holidays that is good news for the Balance Of Payments in that it reduces invisible imports and encourages people from abroad to holiday in the UK. Even a modest uptick in inflation helps to take us away from any threat of deflation whilst at the same time reducing real debt levels.
The price of "patriotism" is less stuff for your sterling if you work in a normal or low-paid domestic-oriented job. If you work in high-skilled manufacturing or services exports not aimed at the EU, you will probably do fine. A funny outcome given the prevailing (and partial) quasi-Marxian class-based narrative of why LEAVE was lovely and valiant and right, but there we go.
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could try for its own EFTA, single market deal. However nevermind an independent Scotland, the rUK would have enough problems of its own with the recession an exit from the single market would inevitably lead to, the markets would go into freefall! That is why May is not going to let it happen
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Good Lord. Citation required. You can't just pluck facts from your fundament.
The £ fell significantly after BREXIT did it not? It will fall further if we leave the single market. Most big companies want access to the single market do they not? Hence a country in the single market is more attractive than one that is not. The NHS relies heavily on nurses from mainland Europe does it not? Hence the NHS would face a staffing shortage crisis if free movement ended
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could tr
If the UK stays more or less wit.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Would they? markets often react irrationally in the short term but will tend to find their own level. Leaving the single market won't mean an end to trade with EU states and though there might be a slight slowing effect, it's not going to crash the economy. Why would it?
Yes and the present level of $1.32 to the £ is still significantly less than the $1.48 it was trading at just before the referendum let alone the $1.57 it was trading at a year ago. Leaving the single market will not take us back to the caves but obviously it is going to seriously hit growth and in all probability lead to a recession, companies will invest on the continent rather than the UK when they have no access to the single market and free movement when based here and the £ will clearly fall yet further
Whatever it will be it will be reciprocal - you fuck me, I'll fuck you
Kippers and the likes of Cash, Redwood, Rees-Mogg and IDS are quite willing to sacrifice access to the Single Market as long as they get a complete end to free movement
Cash, Redwood and IDS were head-banging Eurosceptics long before anyone thought that free movement was a bad idea. They were purely motivated by restoring the sovereignty of parliament. I think they'd be fairly relaxed about an EEA approach, in contrast to the Kippers.
RNC Day 1 — 23 million Day 2 — 23 million Day 3 — 19.8 million Day 4 — 34.9 million
DNC Day 1 — 28.4 million Day 2 — 28 million Day 3 — 27 million Day 4 — 33.3 million
The Democrats had a larger audience than Republicans but Trump beat Hillary anyway in their respective speeches.
Also I warned everyone for a long time not to include Reuters in any polling average due to their serious methodology problems, I'm glad that someone else noticed it too:
Another blow for Continuity Remain (UK and Brussels arms)
Indeed but if we go outside the single market and EFTA too that may change, which is why May will likely agree some free movement with controls for some access to the single market
I'm not sure that is right. A hard Brexit which puts the UK out of the single market would separate an independent Scotland from its principal external trade market, rUK. It would be utter madness for Scotland to go independent for the express purpose of rejoining the EU. A few moments spent contemplating precisely what this would entail should convince most people of this.
Scotland could tr
If the UK stays more or less wit.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Would they? markets often react irrationally in the short term but will tend to find their own level. Leaving the single market won't mean an end to trade with EU states and though there might be a slight slowing effect, it's not going to crash the economy. Why would it?
Yes and the present level of $1.32 to the £ is still significantly less than the $1.48 it was trading at just before the referendum let alone the $1.57 it was trading at a year ago. Leaving the single market will not take us back to the caves but obviously it is going to seriously hit growth and in all probability lead to a recession, companies will invest on the continent rather than the UK when they have no access to the single market and free movement when based here and the £ will clearly fall yet further
Whatever it will be it will be reciprocal - you fuck me, I'll fuck you
If the UK stays more or less within the single market then an independent Scotland would have full access to its rUK market. This leave-without-leaving option would be less provocative to the SNP and would make a second indyref otiose. But Scotland's priority must be to retain full access to the rUK, something which independence following hard Brexit would call into doubt. I agree that Mrs May will likely try to avoid an overt hard Brexit, but if her options run out there may be no choice.
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If free movement and the single market are abandoned completely, the £ will plummet to a level which will make the Zimbabwean dollar start to look attractive, investment into the UK will dry up, the NHS will go into crisis with a massive staffing shortage etc. In the end that is why May will most likely allow some free movement with controls in return for some single market access
Good Lord. Citation required. You can't just pluck facts from your fundament.
The £ fell significantly after BREXIT did it not? It will fall further if we leave the single market. Most big companies want access to the single market do they not? Hence a country in the single market is more attractive than one that is not. The NHS relies heavily on nurses from mainland Europe does it not? Hence the NHS would face a staffing shortage crisis if free movement ended
Withdrawal of free movement has no impact on those we want only those we don't want. Impact on NHS - zero
Kippers and the likes of Cash, Redwood, Rees-Mogg and IDS are quite willing to sacrifice access to the Single Market as long as they get a complete end to free movement
Cash, Redwood and IDS were head-banging Eurosceptics long before anyone thought that free movement was a bad idea. They were purely motivated by restoring the sovereignty of parliament. I think they'd be fairly relaxed about an EEA approach, in contrast to the Kippers.
IDS has certainly said he wants an end to free movement and Cash was a strong Leadsom backer on that basis. The purest Kippers would be quite happy living in a basketcase economy as long as it had no connection to Europe
On the contrary May may find she has no choice but to stay in the single market, the City would demand it, the economy will require it. If f
Still spouting the scaremongering more than a month after the referendum result?!!
Well the £ did fall to its lowest level in decades after Brexit before making a modest recovery, if the markets now see us leaving the single market too it would make the days following Brexit look like a walk in the park
Fancy yourself a currency expert now, eh? Please.
You do not need to be a currency expert to see it, even Joey Essex can see the way the markets reacted to Brexit and how far that would be magnified tenfold if we left the single market
Would they? markets often react irrationally in the short term but will tend to find their own level. Leaving the single market won't mean an end to trade with EU states and though there might be a slight slowing effect, it's not going to crash the economy. Why would it?
Yes and the present level of $1.32 to the £ is still significantly less than the $1.48 it was trading at just before the referendum let alone the $1.57 it was trading at a year ago. Leaving the single market will not take us back to the caves but obviously it is going to seriously hit growth and in all probability lead to a recession, companies will invest on the continent rather than the UK when they have no access to the single market and free movement when based here and the £ will clearly fall yet further
Whatever it will be it will be reciprocal - you fuck me, I'll fuck you
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I think we need to move away from bi-polar politics.
That is all.
I think the temptation to try will be immense for them, and there will be moments when the polls seem to favour it.
https://twitter.com/amolrajan/status/758968251355271168
Anti-named persons campaigners claim people from areas of Scotland where the scheme is already up and running have contacted them and are considering legal action following the UK Supreme Court judgement.
The No to Named Persons (NO2NP) campaign estimates the legal actions could amount to a multi-million sum after five senior judges ruled that the scheme risked breaching Article 8 of the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR).
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/parents-seek-compensation-over-named-person-legislation-1-4189422
And all banking is - ultimately - just can kicking. The entire UK banking sector was technically bust for most of the 1980s, as loans to LatAm were not being paid.
He would "have" interlopers with deadly focus, but was absolutely soft with us, except if one tried to take a kill away from him.
My local cycle shop had a similar ginger cat, but, so I was told, it attacked a car's wheel and came off second best.
I suppose it might have been the Ruskies, but even so. What the hell are they doing?
We are currently having our main bathroom re-done. The new version will have a five foot tall independently controlled electric towel rail, as well as improvements to the heating and hot water systems. I fear once the work is finished she may spend even longer in there.
In order of 2012 Obama states likely to switch to Trump RCP has it 1 Nevada 2 Florida 3 Iowa 4 Ohio 5 NH 6 Pennsylvania 7 Michigan 8 Virginia 9 Wisconsin 10 Colorado
Hillary also has small average leads in 2 2012 Romney states, NC and Arizona
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Funnily enough, fatigue may save the Union. We have been arguing about the Constitution non-stop since 2012, a subject that isn't of compelling interest to most people, even if they think it should be important. At some point have to get on with your life.
While traditional cast Iron enamel baths have a certain style, the water does cool more quickly. Plastic baths can be annoyingly flexible though keeping the water warm for longer. The key is to get them fitted by someone who understands the issue and fits a proper metal cradle and fine tunes it.
A lifetime of experience!
A mandi is best suited to a hot climate with ambient temperature of 35 or so, and is very economical of water too, which is often an issue in rural areas in africa that are off grid.
Seriously, just ask Morris_Dancer, gent of this parish. Elves are complete and utter bastards and once they get into a garden then fairly soon they will get into the house and then there is no hope of a quiet life. Fortunately elves are terrified of cats and cats hate elves. So having a well balanced and well fed moggie roaming the house and grounds keeps them away.
In thirty odd years of marriage we have always had at least one cat about the place and we have never been troubled by elves or rats, mice, voles, moles, foxes. There is a squirrel that keeps raiding our bird feeders though - Thomas ignores it, I laugh at it, only Herself gets cross, maybe she should string up some garlic to drive it away.
Marnie for CBB @ 5/1 on Betfair looks a bit of value.
Geordie Shore bods have done quite well on other reality shows in the last couple of years. Charlotte, Vicky and Scotty T have all been winners.
As PfP says DYOR.
However, on this site you, perhaps, need to be careful about admitting your dogs killed something. A bit too close to hunting with hounds, don't you know, and lots of people get very upset about that.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/decider.com/2016/07/27/youtube-vlogger-marina-joyce-isis-theory/amp/?client=ms-android-oneplus
Curtis LeMay and Patton too.
But point taken.
PS This is what they look like: https://dominicdavis.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/groundhog.png
Same thing as fairies.
Keith Vaz is having a bit of 5am meltdown...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
The hard Brexit catastrophe meme is just a piece of conventional wisdom. - sometimes right though often wrong. It is terra incognita - we just don't knpw.
RNC
Day 1 — 23 million
Day 2 — 23 million
Day 3 — 19.8 million
Day 4 — 34.9 million
DNC
Day 1 — 28.4 million
Day 2 — 28 million
Day 3 — 27 million
Day 4 — 33.3 million
The Democrats had a larger audience than Republicans but Trump beat Hillary anyway in their respective speeches.
Also I warned everyone for a long time not to include Reuters in any polling average due to their serious methodology problems, I'm glad that someone else noticed it too:
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/759104860147122183
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html
The Reuters/Ipsos poll is giving wildly different results: +5 to Hillary in a Trump v Clinton poll & a tie in a 4-way poll.
Is it a repeat or on youtube ?
Idiot.