The Corbyn brand is trashed now isn't it? OK he wins the leadership, gets a few MPs back on board, simply impossible for him to recover his credibility.
Something to thank the PLP for.
It was always thrashed before he became leader, what we're seeing is the Theresa May honeymoon effect kicking in.
The Corbyn brand is trashed now isn't it? OK he wins the leadership, gets a few MPs back on board, simply impossible for him to recover his credibility.
Something to thank the PLP for.
It was always thrashed before he became leader, what we're seeing is the Theresa May honeymoon effect kicking in.
The Corbyn brand is trashed now isn't it? OK he wins the leadership, gets a few MPs back on board, simply impossible for him to recover his credibility.
Something to thank the PLP for.
It was always thrashed before he became leader, what we're seeing is the Theresa May honeymoon effect kicking in.
Crazy to risk an early GE - could easily turn into a re-run of the EU Ref - with UKIP likely to make huge gains as the only party "certain" to take the UK out of the EU.
And if there are any Con supporters who think May is "100% certain" to beat Corbyn - well they shouldn't favour an early GE anyway. Beat him now and Con govern for "certain" until late 2021. Wait until 2020 and beat him then - and Con govern for "certain" until 2025.
Because it's starting to look unlikely that Corbyn will go before a GE.
It's not just equality, identity and gender issues some people are unimpressed by. It is the whole liberal democratic tradition. Islamism is, IMO, best seen as in the tradition of other reactions (reactionary movements) to the growth of Enlightenment-inspired liberalism in the 19th century - such as Communism/Fascism/Nazism (movements with which Islamism has more in common than some might allow). We won over those three - though in a very bloody way. We can defeat the latter. But we need to do so sooner rather than later, if we are to avoid the same sort of sanguinary confrontation that so disfigured the 20th century.
I wish I had answers. I have suggestions. But I do think that if we are to avoid literal fighting we need to fight an ideological battle and not simply rely on security measures / criminal law measures. Bad ideas are defeated by better ideas. And the first bad idea we need to get rid of is, as you say, our cringing cultural relativism - a veritable trahison des clercs. We do have better ideas and we need to stand up for them. They are our ideas and here in the West they are the ones which should prevail.
I don't think cultural relativism is all bad. If it were, Western Civilization would have to be held to account for its wholesale destruction of the environment in relation to, say, Native American Indians' philosophy of only taking from it what you need. We are by no means perfect nor better than all other cultures in all respects. But overall, ours is a pretty good culture.
That said, we do have to recognize some memes as bad. And that is where the PC interpretation of cultural relativism fails, but treating all cultures as equally valid. They are not. Just as the truth does not lie somewhere between the truth and a lie, as the BBC would have us believe much of the time, so we have to have the will and confidence to call out other religions and cultures when they promote unacceptable ideas and actions.
How do you deal with it when there are millions of Muslims and a few dozen terrorists? Might Christian Westerners have done something in the last fourteen years that led to the killings of Christians in Iraq?
1) There are a more than a few dozen terrorists 2) There is a an alarmingly large pool of sympathizer muslims embedded in the west. Before you ask for a source consider how many hundreds have travelled from europe to syria 3) Why is it we are always told we shouldn't blame all muslims for terrorist atrocities yet you seem fine justifying the killing of iraqi christians because of what some other christians did
You sir are part of the problem
This is what I put in response to EPG on the previous thread:-
"Blaming the victims I see. Are Muslims not moral agents? Do they bear no responsibility for what they do?
What did Pakistani Christians do to justify attacks on them and their churches? Or Copts in Egypt? Or Christians in Nigeria or in Sudan?
Do you think that Islamism started only 14 years ago? It has been around for decades and long before the second Iraq war. It is a peculiar form of European egocentricity that seems to believe even the actions of Islamist terrorists and the Islamic state and other Islamist organisations are the fault of Europeans, as if even when we are being attacked it can only really be about us, as if we have to be the centre of attention. Islamists are not children: they have a choice. And if they choose to do evil rather than good then I for one refuse to accept that it is my fault that they made a choice that others, including Muslims themselves, chose not to make. We do a disservice to all those Muslims who are not terrorists, who abhor what these people are doing, who choose good over evil by refusing to accept the moral agency of the bad guys."
I watched a documentary called The Sword of Islam when it was aired back in the 1980's. I have often been reminded of that documentary as subsequent events have unfolded in the Middle East throughout the next turbulent three decades that have followed.
How do you deal with it when there are millions of Muslims and a few dozen terrorists? Might Christian Westerners have done something in the last fourteen years that led to the killings of Christians in Iraq?
1) There are a more than a few dozen terrorists 2) There is a an alarmingly large pool of sympathizer muslims embedded in the west. Before you ask for a source consider how many hundreds have travelled from europe to syria 3) Why is it we are always told we shouldn't blame all muslims for terrorist atrocities yet you seem fine justifying the killing of iraqi christians because of what some other christians did
You sir are part of the problem
This is what I put in response to EPG on the previous thread:-
"Blaming the victims I see. Are Muslims not moral agents? Do they bear no responsibility for what they do?
What did Pakistani Christians do to justify attacks on them and their churches? Or Copts in Egypt? Or Christians in Nigeria or in Sudan?
Do you think that Islamism started only 14 years ago? It has been around for decades and long before the second Iraq war. It is a peculiar form of European egocentricity that seems to believe even the actions of Islamist terrorists and the Islamic state and other Islamist organisations are the fault of Europeans, as if even when we are being attacked it can only really be about us, as if we have to be the centre of attention. Islamists are not children: they have a choice. And if they choose to do evil rather than good then I for one refuse to accept that it is my fault that they made a choice that others, including Muslims themselves, chose not to make. We do a disservice to all those Muslims who are not terrorists, who abhor what these people are doing, who choose good over evil by refusing to accept the moral agency of the bad guys."
I watched a documentary called The Sword of Islam when it was aired back in the 1980's. I have often been reminded of that documentary as subsequent events have unfolded in the Middle East throughout the next turbulent three decades that have followed.
And of course Samuel Huntington was supposed to have got it embarrassingly wrong.
Seems the priest killed in France was only conducting the ceremony as the usual Father was on holiday. How awful
Yes, absolutely awful, there are no words. I see the priest killed was 86, and he was most probable enjoying a semi retirement that saw him occasionally standing in and doing holiday cover for the priest assigned to that parish.
Seems the priest killed in France was only conducting the ceremony as the usual Father was on holiday. How awful
Yes, absolutely awful, there are no words. I see the priest killed was 86, and he was most probable enjoying a semi retirement that saw him occasionally standing in and doing holiday cover for the priest assigned to that parish.
An unoriginal phrase, but what is the world coming to?
Conflict News SUMMARY: What we know about the execution of a priest in Normandy, France today. https://t.co/ylbf8uV8dU
From that summary / brother connection, the second attacker likely to have been well known to the authorities. I wonder why they are only naming one of them publicly? I am presuming there is a particular reason in this case.
Conflict News GERMANY: IS claim that Ansbach bomber joined ISI (Islamic State of Iraq) before 2011, then returned to Aleppo in #Syria. - @jenanmoussa
I would think we have to take that with a huge pinch of salt as it is coming from IS.
I said last night it wouldnt read well and that he didnt come to Germany clean. He had some form.
As understand it California is rather hand tied in what it can do because things like changes to main tax raising avenues all require a public referendum, which they know they will never pass.
Image if the CoE here couldn't alter VAT or income tax or any thresholds in the budget without a public vote each year.
Democracy gone too far?
Californian public loves passing referendums to spend money on things but hates passing referendums to raise the taxes to pay for those things. Why they don't bundle the tax-and-spend together in a single proposition elludes me.
Californians vote for propositions which limit taxation viz: prop 13 limiting real estate taxes. The problem is that the politicians don't reduce expenditures to match the reduced income. In particular state employees are often overpaid and have excessive pension rights.
How do you deal with it when there are millions of Muslims and a few dozen terrorists? Might Christian Westerners have done something in the last fourteen years that led to the killings of Christians in Iraq?
1) There are a more than a few dozen terrorists 2) There is a an alarmingly large pool of sympathizer muslims embedded in the west. Before you ask for a source consider how many hundreds have travelled from europe to syria 3) Why is it we are always told we shouldn't blame all muslims for terrorist atrocities yet you seem fine justifying the killing of iraqi christians because of what some other christians did
You sir are part of the problem
This is what I put in response to EPG on the previous thread:-
"Blaming the victims I see. Are Muslims not moral agents? Do they bear no responsibility for what they do?
What did Pakistani Christians do to justify attacks on them and their churches? Or Copts in Egypt? Or Christians in Nigeria or in Sudan?
Do you think that Islamism started only 14 years ago? It has been around for decades and long before the second Iraq war. It is a peculiar form of European egocentricity that seems to believe even the actions of Islamist terrorists and the Islamic state and other Islamist organisations are the fault of Europeans, as if even when we are being attacked it can only really be about us, as if we have to be the centre of attention. Islamists are not children: they have a choice. And if they choose to do evil rather than good then I for one refuse to accept that it is my fault that they made a choice that others, including Muslims themselves, chose not to make. We do a disservice to all those Muslims who are not terrorists, who abhor what these people are doing, who choose good over evil by refusing to accept the moral agency of the bad guys."
I watched a documentary called The Sword of Islam when it was aired back in the 1980's. I have often been reminded of that documentary as subsequent events have unfolded in the Middle East throughout the next turbulent three decades that have followed.
And of course Samuel Huntington was supposed to have got it embarrassingly wrong.
How do you deal with it when there are millions of Muslims and a few dozen terrorists? Might Christian Westerners have done something in the last fourteen years that led to the killings of Christians in Iraq?
1) There are a more than a few dozen terrorists 2) There is a an alarmingly large pool of sympathizer muslims embedded in the west. Before you ask for a source consider how many hundreds have travelled from europe to syria 3) Why is it we are always told we shouldn't blame all muslims for terrorist atrocities yet you seem fine justifying the killing of iraqi christians because of what some other christians did
You sir are part of the problem
This is what I put in response to EPG on the previous thread:-
"Blaming the victims I see. Are Muslims not moral agents? Do they bear no responsibility for what they do?
What did Pakistani Christians do to justify attacks on them and their churches? Or Copts in Egypt? Or Christians in Nigeria or in Sudan?
Do you think that Islamism started only 14 years ago? It has been around for decades and long before the second Iraq war. It is a peculiar form of European egocentricity that seems to believe even the actions of Islamist terrorists and the Islamic state and other Islamist organisations are the fault of Europeans, as if even when we are being attacked it can only really be about us, as if we have to be the centre of attention. Islamists are not children: they have a choice. And if they choose to do evil rather than good then I for one refuse to accept that it is my fault that they made a choice that others, including Muslims themselves, chose not to make. We do a disservice to all those Muslims who are not terrorists, who abhor what these people are doing, who choose good over evil by refusing to accept the moral agency of the bad guys."
I watched a documentary called The Sword of Islam when it was aired back in the 1980's. I have often been reminded of that documentary as subsequent events have unfolded in the Middle East throughout the next turbulent three decades that have followed.
What happened was that Arab Socialism (of the National variety) conspicuously failed. The opening was there for the next ideology, and between Pakistani intelligence weaponising Islam (their brilliant plan to deal with India's strength) and the Saudi guilt money (be a good chap and prolatise the perfect faith abroad - just don't bother me while I buy another gold plated Rolls)... well, you see what we have.
Conflict News SUMMARY: What we know about the execution of a priest in Normandy, France today. https://t.co/ylbf8uV8dU
From that summary / brother connection, the second attacker likely to have been well known to the authorities. I wonder why they are only naming one of them publicly? I am presuming there is a particular reason in this case.
Conflict News GERMANY: IS claim that Ansbach bomber joined ISI (Islamic State of Iraq) before 2011, then returned to Aleppo in #Syria. - @jenanmoussa
I would think we have to take that with a huge pinch of salt as it is coming from IS.
I said last night it wouldnt read well and that he didnt come to Germany clean. He had some form.
In the official profile of him by IS, they also claim that the police searched this guys place and missed the bomb making stuff. They also claim he bounced around various Islamist groups like Jabhat al Nusra in Syria and that he was in constant contact with ISIS handler.
Today kids Fireman Sam gets into a spot of bother when he is accused of being an islamophobe....he needs all his fire fighting skills to put this blaze out.
Just a bit more collateral damage in the search for ideological purity
Yes very funny
One day total dickwads like you will discover tinyurl.com and stop fucking up us up with I phones reading long addresses that's screws the entire thread
Just a bit more collateral damage in the search for ideological purity
Yes very funny
One day total dickwads like you will discover tinyurl.com and stop fucking up us up with I phones reading long addresses that's screws the entire thread
I suspect there's some short-term value laying trump on betfair at current odds.
In a weeks time, I think it's more likely than not his odds will have lengthened.
Bear in mind that the Green Party will hold its convention on 4-7 August and it's clear who Jill Stein will try to get votes from - and not just votes, but activist support too.
Just a bit more collateral damage in the search for ideological purity
Yes very funny
One day total dickwads like you will discover tinyurl.com and stop fucking up us up with I phones reading long addresses that's screws the entire thread
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Any guesses??
And if there are any Con supporters who think May is "100% certain" to beat Corbyn - well they shouldn't favour an early GE anyway. Beat him now and Con govern for "certain" until late 2021. Wait until 2020 and beat him then - and Con govern for "certain" until 2025.
Because it's starting to look unlikely that Corbyn will go before a GE.
Trump's problem.
That said, we do have to recognize some memes as bad. And that is where the PC interpretation of cultural relativism fails, but treating all cultures as equally valid. They are not. Just as the truth does not lie somewhere between the truth and a lie, as the BBC would have us believe much of the time, so we have to have the will and confidence to call out other religions and cultures when they promote unacceptable ideas and actions.
However he would still be in a very losing position.
East Hants DC Hangers and Forest ward Conservatives just hang on
Con 236 LDem 227 Justice 41 Lab 17
2015 result Con 983 Ind ( now the Justice candidate 257 Lab 184
Go back to your constituencies, and prepare to not really make significant gains in a FPTP system!
As you say, "reads" terribly.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-1983-1987
( ok I will stand corrected if I mis recollected )
If so Jez really has a way to go though....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/26/fireman-sam-producer-apologises-after-showing-character-treading/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_election_opinion_2005-2010.png
Truly was peak Kipper!
One day total dickwads like you will discover tinyurl.com and stop fucking up us up with I phones reading long addresses that's screws the entire thread
EG .... http://tinyurl.com/gtvyshp
Mrs May responded by saying she had "long heard" Labour asking what the Conservative Party does for women.
"It just keeps making us prime minister," she said.
REMAIN 48%
It's just how it comes up on my I phone.
BJN
Get with tinyURL... FFS !!!!