Oh come on! My 10-year-old could do all that in considerably less than an hour - and still have time for a couple of rounds of Top Trumps.
Would love to score Tory MPs like on Top Trumps. What categories would we have? CONSERVATISM INTELLIGENCE BRAVERY INSANITY RATING EUROPHOBIA SKIN THICKNESS etc
Who'd be the Wankel Rotary Engine? I loved Top Trumps
It is now abundantly clear that the Brexiteers had no intention of winning this referendum, and now they have they expect sensible Remainers to clear up their sorry mess.
@tnewtondunn: So; banks' capital reserves to be spent, deficit to go up back, AAA credit rating lost. Six years of economics reversed in 12 days #Brexit
I think history will be more kind to those who warned that this would be an epic fuckup than those who wished on a rainbow...
Nah - they utterly failed - they started this and they cocked it up - bigstyle.
"There is evidence that some risks have begun to crystallise. The current outlook for UK financial stability is challenging."
WTF is the CoTE doing then ?
Trying to get the Foreign Office in May's Cabinet!
DC and GO should be charged with dereliction of duty.
Idiot post of the day.
Chose to have a referendum Bungled the renegotiation Were found to be totally out of touch with the voters Chose useless pollsters Ran an inept campaign Lost the referendum Spat out their dummies and hid in their bunkers.
@tnewtondunn: So; banks' capital reserves to be spent, deficit to go up back, AAA credit rating lost. Six years of economics reversed in 12 days #Brexit
I think history will be more kind to those who warned that this would be an epic fuckup than those who wished on a rainbow...
I don't mind people complaining about the economy. But I hate this sort of pathetic point scoring that Twitter does. The UK lost its AAA rating with two of the three ratings agencies in 2013. There's no correlation with actual lending rates since 2008.
The EU lost its AAA rating in 2013 as well.
We're certainly going to have tough times. Only an idiot would think otherwise. But wanking over rating agencies is just sad.
The fundamental issue that the country has to address is our current account deficit. That's being paid for by FDI and equity investment inflows.
Oh come on! My 10-year-old could do all that in considerably less than an hour - and still have time for a couple of rounds of Top Trumps.
Would love to score Tory MPs like on Top Trumps. What categories would we have? CONSERVATISM INTELLIGENCE BRAVERY INSANITY RATING EUROPHOBIA SKIN THICKNESS etc
In fairness you yourself would score highly on a number of those categories.
@patrickwintour: Dougan to Treas Sel Comm. French legal service has told French govt is that it would be possible for UK to trigger Art 50, and then revoke.
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
"Cameron gambled everything on the European referendum because he thought the centre was secure. He and George Osborne believed, as one of their cabinet allies told me: “It will be about jobs and the economy and it won’t even be close.”
My favourite comment is from FordPrefect100 "In reality, the pro-EU arguments were supported by an overwhelming majority of economists, thinktanks, business leaders, diplomats and other professional bodies"
The problem was, and still is, that none of those "experts" are expert about what life is like for someone who lives on a council estate in Peterborough or Bolton, or who is an unemployed fisherman in Aberdeen.
And the people whose job it is to know - Labour MPs - don't know either, and don't care."
It's amazing that those who are trying to bring about a split in the Labour party, with the intention of forming a new Centre-Left grouping to appeal to the 48% Remainers are forgetting one key fact which is that 70% of Labour held constituencies voted for Leave The simple but inescapable fact is that Labour won it for Leave! Perhaps someone should explain this to the likes of the foul-mouthed Charlotte Church and her fellow rebels.
Oh come on! My 10-year-old could do all that in considerably less than an hour - and still have time for a couple of rounds of Top Trumps.
Would love to score Tory MPs like on Top Trumps. What categories would we have? CONSERVATISM INTELLIGENCE BRAVERY INSANITY RATING EUROPHOBIA SKIN THICKNESS etc
I thought of something like that as I was writing about Top Trumps. A set of MP or Politician "Top Trumps" could make a nice little stocking-filler for certain political obsessives. I wouldn't mind one myself.
"There is evidence that some risks have begun to crystallise. The current outlook for UK financial stability is challenging."
WTF is the CoTE doing then ?
Trying to get the Foreign Office in May's Cabinet!
DC and GO should be charged with dereliction of duty.
Idiot post of the day.
Chose to have a referendum Bungled the renegotiation Were found to be totally out of touch with the voters Chose useless pollsters Ran an inept campaign Lost the referendum Spat out their dummies and hid in their bunkers.
History wont be kind...
It's never a good idea to hold a referendum when one of the choices is not viable*. People often choose the non-viable option.
* By viable I am talking degrees in this case. Our job now is to make the people's choice sort of work
Does The Times poll not suggest that Tory members (who by definition have not over the past years jumped ship and joined UKIP) are not all a bunch of frothing UKIPpers?
Leadsom does have a good chance of becoming party leader. But the party is UKIP, and there is a vacancy.
I am buoyed and reassured by The Times poll.
UKIP have performed a very useful function for the Tory Party, and by extension the country. If only the Socialist Workers Party had been as effective on the left.
"Cameron gambled everything on the European referendum because he thought the centre was secure. He and George Osborne believed, as one of their cabinet allies told me: “It will be about jobs and the economy and it won’t even be close.”
My favourite comment is from FordPrefect100 "In reality, the pro-EU arguments were supported by an overwhelming majority of economists, thinktanks, business leaders, diplomats and other professional bodies"
The problem was, and still is, that none of those "experts" are expert about what life is like for someone who lives on a council estate in Peterborough or Bolton, or who is an unemployed fisherman in Aberdeen.
And the people whose job it is to know - Labour MPs - don't know either, and don't care."
It's amazing that those who are trying to bring about a split in the Labour party, with the intention of forming a new Centre-Left grouping to appeal to the 48% Remainers are forgetting one key fact which is that 70% of Labour held constituencies voted for Leave The simple but inescapable fact is that Labour won it for Leave! Perhaps someone should explain this to the likes of the foul-mouthed Charlotte Church and her fellow rebels.
This also explains Corbyn.
"No one on the remain side fully anticipated an emotional groundswell of contempt for the very idea of political authority as dispensed from a liberal citadel in Westminster. The remain politicians found themselves besieged by an angry insurrection, channelling grievances that were well known. They stood for a cause that became emblematic of a system that was alien, arrogant and remote – and they had no answer."
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
What is your threshold for abandoning Brexit? What level of poor creditworthiness, mass unemployment, Sterling crash and international uncompetitiveness would you accept before folding your cards? They say every man has his price, what is yours?
We're certainly going to have tough times. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Andrea Leadsom...
I'm voting for May . I think Leadsom is far too hopey-changey. She's the Brexit Obama. She needs a good five years of cabinet experience and a better track record before I'd even consider her. Mind you, I won't get a vote next time.
May is not an ideal candidate by any means. Even without being a Remainer (albeit largely a silent one) her record at the Home Office seems to rest on her longevity in this political graveyard slot, rather than actually getting on top of any of the issues facing our borders and those who can pass through them.
Against this, the naysayers blame her for not reducing immigration. But no-one ever says what she is supposed to have done or not done in this respect.
I have a memory from the halcyon days of the Coalition, of report of a Cabinet meeting where Immigration was discussed and Cameron said in exasperation that only May and him seemed serious about trying to meet the net migration target. Can't find it now but given the opposition of the LDs to many of the anti-immigration proposals made between 2010-2015 its not surprising that the migration figures have gone the wrong way - especially when they seemed to be going the right way for the first 2 years of the Coalition.
It is now abundantly clear that the Brexiteers had no intention of winning this referendum, and now they have they expect sensible Remainers to clear up their sorry mess.
Happy to oblige.
Strategy to clear mess is simple: abandon Brexit.
Or, better still - use the threat of carrying it out to negotiate a bloody good deal with the other 27 nations, that is in the UK's interests and that most of us can be happy with. Probably means a bespoke UK "EEAplus" arrangement, in order to not ride roughshod over the will of a narrow majority of the public or force us to go through it all again, but "in, in all but name" feels like my favoured option, and probably Theresa's.
"Cameron gambled everything on the European referendum because he thought the centre was secure. He and George Osborne believed, as one of their cabinet allies told me: “It will be about jobs and the economy and it won’t even be close.”
My favourite comment is from FordPrefect100 "In reality, the pro-EU arguments were supported by an overwhelming majority of economists, thinktanks, business leaders, diplomats and other professional bodies"
The problem was, and still is, that none of those "experts" are expert about what life is like for someone who lives on a council estate in Peterborough or Bolton, or who is an unemployed fisherman in Aberdeen.
And the people whose job it is to know - Labour MPs - don't know either, and don't care."
It's amazing that those who are trying to bring about a split in the Labour party, with the intention of forming a new Centre-Left grouping to appeal to the 48% Remainers are forgetting one key fact which is that 70% of Labour held constituencies voted for Leave The simple but inescapable fact is that Labour won it for Leave! Perhaps someone should explain this to the likes of the foul-mouthed Charlotte Church and her fellow rebels.
But, looking ahead, many Leavers may change their minds when it becomes clear that Project Fear was just Project Reality. Who knows, but so far things haven't been going well.
"Cameron gambled everything on the European referendum because he thought the centre was secure. He and George Osborne believed, as one of their cabinet allies told me: “It will be about jobs and the economy and it won’t even be close.”
My favourite comment is from FordPrefect100 "In reality, the pro-EU arguments were supported by an overwhelming majority of economists, thinktanks, business leaders, diplomats and other professional bodies"
The problem was, and still is, that none of those "experts" are expert about what life is like for someone who lives on a council estate in Peterborough or Bolton, or who is an unemployed fisherman in Aberdeen.
And the people whose job it is to know - Labour MPs - don't know either, and don't care."
It's amazing that those who are trying to bring about a split in the Labour party, with the intention of forming a new Centre-Left grouping to appeal to the 48% Remainers are forgetting one key fact which is that 70% of Labour held constituencies voted for Leave The simple but inescapable fact is that Labour won it for Leave! Perhaps someone should explain this to the likes of the foul-mouthed Charlotte Church and her fellow rebels.
63% of Labour voters voted for Remain. That figure would have been higher had the party a decent europhile leader rather than a dismal marxist eurosceptic who did the square root of f all to help the Remain cause.
It's all going to come down to whether Conservative members are looking to select the person who is most fit in the round to be Prime Minister or the person who is most sound on the subject of the EU. That the second is even potentially relevant shows just how crazed the electorate is.
Leadsom = IDS but this time as Prime Minister.
That's very unfair on IDS. He'd spent four years as a shadow Cabinet minister before standing for Leader of the Opposition.
Whereas poor inexperienced Andrea was just heading up bank departments aged 30.
Was that at her brother-in-law's firm?
Sajid Javid was a Vice President at his bank in his 20s - youngest ever if I recall - I guess we should all be voting for him and Crabb then.
It is title inflation.
Of course it is. No need to get over excited about Leadsom's rather average career therefor.
Yes I think the order is, Junior VP, Executive VP, Senior VP and VP.
Is a senior VP higher than a VP?
I thought she was Chief Investment Officer for 10 years at Invesco?
It is now abundantly clear that the Brexiteers had no intention of winning this referendum, and now they have they expect sensible Remainers to clear up their sorry mess.
Happy to oblige.
Strategy to clear mess is simple: abandon Brexit.
Or, better still - use the threat of carrying it out to negotiate a bloody good deal with the other 27 nations, that is in the UK's interests and that most of us can be happy with. Probably means a bespoke UK "EEAplus" arrangement, in order to not ride roughshod over the will of a narrow majority of the public or force us to go through it all again, but "in, in all but name" feels like my favoured option, and probably Theresa's.
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
What is your threshold for abandoning Brexit? What level of poor creditworthiness, mass unemployment, Sterling crash and international uncompetitiveness would you accept before folding your cards? They say every man has his price, what is yours?
Counter offer. Show me one reputable model that forecasts any of those, and I'll change my mind.
By reputable I mean any of the models aggregated by the IFS (so you have a choice of 13), the IMF and (only a summary) Standard & Poors. That's just fifteen I know of. I'm sure there maybe more.
@patrickwintour: Dougan: To secure an EEA agreement, UK must avoid a veto by Swiss, 3 EFTA countries, 27 EU countries and European Parliament. 32 vetoes.
As was briefly mooted at the weekend, I do wonder whether IF May gets a convincing vote and indeed the majority of MPs, there will be intense pressure on Leadsom (if she is second) to stand down in favour of a top job in a May Cabinet.
There was a lot of "we need to get this over with" talk from some but how would the Conservative membership to being excluded from the process ? I do agree with OGH that a protracted campaign (apart from helping the sales of popcorn among those of us enjoying the Conservative dinosaurs tearing lumps out of each other) gives Leadsom a chance as it would allow people to scrutinise May more carefully.
The pro-EU dissidents and the Cameroons are rushing to back May - rather like overthrowing a Communist dictator and electing a Communist as your new leader.
That didn't happen anywhere, did it ?
Call me a dinosaur but I happen to think the scrutinisation process is very important. If May is all she's cracked up to be and Leadsom is the duffer the Tory establishment dissemblers make out (hello TSE, Scott, Carlotta etc) May will emerge with flying colours and romp home. The one thing that will piss off members like myself is a ministerial/MP led stitch-up in respect of the candidates who appear on the ballor paper. Gove was a naughty boy but could be forgiven.
The EU is made on weak foundations, and it's a nonsensical arrangement doomed to failure. They'll integrate more for ideological purposes but strategic considerations of culture, economy and politics will pull it apart.
The longer it is exists, and the longer we're a member of it, the greater the pain of the unravelling. Better to take lesser pain now (and regain the ability to make our own way in the world) that let the rot fester and make the pain worse down the line.
I suspect we'll see widespread civil disorder in Europe during the course of my lifetime (assuming I don't pop my clogs early). The chance of a significant war is small, but grows as the EU's empire-building goes on.
I can't believe that so many of the vociferous PB remainers are still in denial! We are leaving the EU, get over it.
Were the result reversed the eurosceptics would never have rolled over. Indeed Farage himself said a tight result should trigger a second referendum.
No way The 48 will rollover while a uneasy coalition of non-voters, bitter xenophobic failures and rightwing frothers sets about wilfully destroying the country and the economy. Sorry to break it to you.
It is now abundantly clear that the Brexiteers had no intention of winning this referendum, and now they have they expect sensible Remainers to clear up their sorry mess.
Happy to oblige.
Strategy to clear mess is simple: abandon Brexit.
That bridge is crossed and burned behind us.
No senior politician has suggested anything other than BREXIT is on the cards - I am in blood Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er.
In a way "Project Fear tell it like it is" helps with BREXIT because no one can reasonably say they weren't warned.
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
What is your threshold for abandoning Brexit? What level of poor creditworthiness, mass unemployment, Sterling crash and international uncompetitiveness would you accept before folding your cards? They say every man has his price, what is yours?
Certainly, nothing that has happened so far, and nothing that has been credibly projected. A reduction in the value of sterling is pretty trivial in the scheme of things.
The EU is made on weak foundations, and it's a nonsensical arrangement doomed to failure. They'll integrate more for ideological purposes but strategic considerations of culture, economy and politics will pull it apart.
The longer it is exists, and the longer we're a member of it, the greater the pain of the unravelling. Better to take lesser pain now (and regain the ability to make our own way in the world) that let the rot fester and make the pain worse down the line.
I suspect we'll see widespread civil disorder in Europe during the course of my lifetime (assuming I don't pop my clogs early). The chance of a significant war is small, but grows as the EU's empire-building goes on.
So what is your threshold? How many people on the dole – hypothetically – do you see as a price worth paying?
It's all going to come down to whether Conservative members are looking to select the person who is most fit in the round to be Prime Minister or the person who is most sound on the subject of the EU. That the second is even potentially relevant shows just how crazed the electorate is.
Leadsom = IDS but this time as Prime Minister.
That's very unfair on IDS. He'd spent four years as a shadow Cabinet minister before standing for Leader of the Opposition.
Whereas poor inexperienced Andrea was just heading up bank departments aged 30.
Was that at her brother-in-law's firm?
Bollocks.
She was a "director" and then a "managing director".
Those titles are thrown around like confetti (to be MD less so) at banks.
But surely never on the basis of mere family relationships?
Private companies can do what they like.
But banks are very much of the confetti mode (heck, a US public company even made me a Director in my 20s...) although they are looking at making the MD role more challenging now.
20yrs ago - I recruited for Amex and everyone seemed to be a VP of something. It equalled a middle manager of a team. It reminded me of sales titles - lots of nice puffing that doesn't equate to other industries.
Perhaps if Remain had campaigned on "if we lose, we will simply give up running the country" rather on threatening punishment budgets they might have polled more votes..
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
What is your threshold for abandoning Brexit? What level of poor creditworthiness, mass unemployment, Sterling crash and international uncompetitiveness would you accept before folding your cards? They say every man has his price, what is yours?
Certainly, nothing that has happened so far, and nothing that has been credibly projected. A reduction in the value of sterling is pretty trivial in the scheme of things.
I can't believe that so many of the vociferous PB remainers are still in denial! We are leaving the EU, get over it.
Were the result reversed the eurosceptics would never have rolled over. Indeed Farage himself said a tight result should trigger a second referendum.
No way The 48 will rollover while a uneasy coalition of non-voters, bitter xenophobic failures and rightwing frothers sets about wilfully destroying the country and the economy. Sorry to break it to you.
I'm sure that Brexit supporters would still have campaigned to leave the EU if the result had been 52/48 the other way, but it's very unlikely that the current government would have given us a second referendum.
"Cameron gambled everything on the European referendum because he thought the centre was secure. He and George Osborne believed, as one of their cabinet allies told me: “It will be about jobs and the economy and it won’t even be close.”
My favourite comment is from FordPrefect100 "In reality, the pro-EU arguments were supported by an overwhelming majority of economists, thinktanks, business leaders, diplomats and other professional bodies"
The problem was, and still is, that none of those "experts" are expert about what life is like for someone who lives on a council estate in Peterborough or Bolton, or who is an unemployed fisherman in Aberdeen.
And the people whose job it is to know - Labour MPs - don't know either, and don't care."
What a ridiculous comment. The best way to improve the lives of people at the bottom of the pile is to make sure that the economy is as robust and as strong as possible. That's how you create wealth and get to redistribute it. And for Remainers the best way to do that was to stay an EU member state. Hopefully, the Remainers were wrong.
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
What is your threshold for abandoning Brexit? What level of poor creditworthiness, mass unemployment, Sterling crash and international uncompetitiveness would you accept before folding your cards? They say every man has his price, what is yours?
Certainly, nothing that has happened so far, and nothing that has been credibly projected. A reduction in the value of sterling is pretty trivial in the scheme of things.
It's been 12 days.
What's your threshold?
If the world were plunged into something like the Depression of 1930-33 as a result of Brexit, I'd concede it had been a mistake.
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
Following the lower credit rating the Uk has been able to borrow at a new all time low interest rate. So it has no practical affect.
"Cameron gambled everything on the European referendum because he thought the centre was secure. He and George Osborne believed, as one of their cabinet allies told me: “It will be about jobs and the economy and it won’t even be close.”
My favourite comment is from FordPrefect100 "In reality, the pro-EU arguments were supported by an overwhelming majority of economists, thinktanks, business leaders, diplomats and other professional bodies"
The problem was, and still is, that none of those "experts" are expert about what life is like for someone who lives on a council estate in Peterborough or Bolton, or who is an unemployed fisherman in Aberdeen.
And the people whose job it is to know - Labour MPs - don't know either, and don't care."
What a ridiculous comment. The best way to improve the lives of people at the bottom of the pile is to make sure that the economy is as robust and as strong as possible. That's how you create wealth and get to redistribute it. And for Remainers the best way to do that was to stay an EU member state. Hopefully, the Remainers were wrong.
But you only get to implement a strong economy if you can convince enough people to vote for you - not rocket science.
"There is evidence that some risks have begun to crystallise. The current outlook for UK financial stability is challenging."
WTF is the CoTE doing then ?
Trying to get the Foreign Office in May's Cabinet!
DC and GO should be charged with dereliction of duty.
Idiot post of the day.
Chose to have a referendum Bungled the renegotiation Were found to be totally out of touch with the voters Chose useless pollsters Ran an inept campaign Lost the referendum Spat out their dummies and hid in their bunkers.
I can't believe that so many of the vociferous PB remainers are still in denial! We are leaving the EU, get over it.
Were the result reversed the eurosceptics would never have rolled over. Indeed Farage himself said a tight result should trigger a second referendum.
No way The 48 will rollover while a uneasy coalition of non-voters, bitter xenophobic failures and rightwing frothers sets about wilfully destroying the country and the economy. Sorry to break it to you.
I'm sure that Brexit supporters would still have campaigned to leave the EU if the result had been 52/48 the other way, but it's very unlikely that the current government would have given us a second referendum.
It's very unlikely we will get a second referendum either.
But the idea that The 48 should just now rollover is bollocks, and would not have been the outcome were the result reversed.
It is now abundantly clear that the Brexiteers had no intention of winning this referendum, and now they have they expect sensible Remainers to clear up their sorry mess.
Happy to oblige.
Strategy to clear mess is simple: abandon Brexit.
That bridge is crossed and burned behind us.
No senior politician has suggested anything other than BREXIT is on the cards - I am in blood Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er.
In a way "Project Fear tell it like it is" helps with BREXIT because no one can reasonably say they weren't warned.
We are still in the EU. We are a member of the European Union.
Perhaps if Remain had campaigned on "if we lose, we will simply give up running the country" rather on threatening punishment budgets they might have polled more votes..
Yawn....and if Leave had campaigned on "if we win we won't have a clue what to do" rather than picking random numbers and pledging them to the NHS they'd probably have lost.
Mr. Bob, the credit rating is neither here nor there. Short term choppy waters are to be expected, the question is whether this is in our long term interests.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
What is your threshold for abandoning Brexit? What level of poor creditworthiness, mass unemployment, Sterling crash and international uncompetitiveness would you accept before folding your cards? They say every man has his price, what is yours?
Certainly, nothing that has happened so far, and nothing that has been credibly projected. A reduction in the value of sterling is pretty trivial in the scheme of things.
It's been 12 days.
What's your threshold?
If the world were plunged into something like the Depression of 1930-33 as a result of Brexit, I'd concede it had been a mistake.
It is now abundantly clear that the Brexiteers had no intention of winning this referendum, and now they have they expect sensible Remainers to clear up their sorry mess.
Happy to oblige.
Strategy to clear mess is simple: abandon Brexit.
That bridge is crossed and burned behind us.
No senior politician has suggested anything other than BREXIT is on the cards - I am in blood Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er.
In a way "Project Fear tell it like it is" helps with BREXIT because no one can reasonably say they weren't warned.
We are still in the EU. We are a member of the European Union.
I'm sure that Brexit supporters would still have campaigned to leave the EU if the result had been 52/48 the other way, but it's very unlikely that the current government would have given us a second referendum.
Precisely. The decision has been taken, Brexit means Brexit. We need to move on to making the best of it. The way to do that is not to stick our heads in the sand and deny that we are seeing severe economic damage. That should be a position that people can unite around.
Mr. Bob, you're very insistent and angry. Have you considered reading The Adventures of Sir Edric, a wonderful comedy guaranteed to relax your spirit and soothe your worries?
Nothing that's happened so far is dreadful. We need to wait and see what the new PM's approach is.
Perhaps if Remain had campaigned on "if we lose, we will simply give up running the country" rather on threatening punishment budgets they might have polled more votes..
Yawn....and if Leave had campaigned on "if we win we won't have a clue what to do" rather than picking random numbers and pledging them to the NHS they'd probably have lost.
The referendum was called by the PM and the CoTE - they are responsible for everything afterwards.
Mr. Bob, you're very insistent and angry. Have you considered reading The Adventures of Sir Edric, a wonderful comedy guaranteed to relax your spirit and soothe your worries?
Nothing that's happened so far is dreadful. We need to wait and see what the new PM's approach is.
"The FPC’s report confirmed that our economy is now in serious danger as business confidence evaporates. Every single job lost, every deal cancelled and every home foreclosed will be on the hands of those who promised the earth but offer no clear picture for our future relationship with Europe."
It is now abundantly clear that the Brexiteers had no intention of winning this referendum, and now they have they expect sensible Remainers to clear up their sorry mess.
Happy to oblige.
Strategy to clear mess is simple: abandon Brexit.
That bridge is crossed and burned behind us.
No senior politician has suggested anything other than BREXIT is on the cards - I am in blood Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o'er.
In a way "Project Fear tell it like it is" helps with BREXIT because no one can reasonably say they weren't warned.
We are still in the EU. We are a member of the European Union.
No bridge has yet been crossed!
Polititically it has.
Yes, that I concede. So we need May to somehow get us EU in all but name and then we can get on with our lives.
I can't believe that so many of the vociferous PB remainers are still in denial! We are leaving the EU, get over it.
It's hilarious. Most of the country are moving on and looking to the future and a few on PB are stamping their feet like toddlers predicting the end of the world.
It's all going to come down to whether Conservative members are looking to select the person who is most fit in the round to be Prime Minister or the person who is most sound on the subject of the EU. That the second is even potentially relevant shows just how crazed the electorate is.
Leadsom = IDS but this time as Prime Minister.
That's very unfair on IDS. He'd spent four years as a shadow Cabinet minister before standing for Leader of the Opposition.
Whereas poor inexperienced Andrea was just heading up bank departments aged 30.
Was that at her brother-in-law's firm?
Sajid Javid was a Vice President at his bank in his 20s - youngest ever if I recall - I guess we should all be voting for him and Crabb then.
It is title inflation.
Of course it is. No need to get over excited about Leadsom's rather average career therefor.
Yes I think the order is, Junior VP, Executive VP, Senior VP and VP.
I thought she was Chief Investment Officer for 10 years at Invesco?
Senior Investment Officer, which is lower than Chief IO.
It's all going to come down to whether Conservative members are looking to select the person who is most fit in the round to be Prime Minister or the person who is most sound on the subject of the EU. That the second is even potentially relevant shows just how crazed the electorate is.
Leadsom = IDS but this time as Prime Minister.
That's very unfair on IDS. He'd spent four years as a shadow Cabinet minister before standing for Leader of the Opposition.
Whereas poor inexperienced Andrea was just heading up bank departments aged 30.
Was that at her brother-in-law's firm?
Bollocks.
She was a "director" and then a "managing director".
Those titles are thrown around like confetti (to be MD less so) at banks.
But surely never on the basis of mere family relationships?
Private companies can do what they like.
But banks are very much of the confetti mode (heck, a US public company even made me a Director in my 20s...) although they are looking at making the MD role more challenging now.
20yrs ago - I recruited for Amex and everyone seemed to be a VP of something. It equalled a middle manager of a team. It reminded me of sales titles - lots of nice puffing that doesn't equate to other industries.
Bank Ds & MDs are exactly that - sales titles.
When I speak to CEOs and owners of companies it makes a difference that I can call myself a Managing Director.
Perhaps if Remain had campaigned on "if we lose, we will simply give up running the country" rather on threatening punishment budgets they might have polled more votes..
Yawn....and if Leave had campaigned on "if we win we won't have a clue what to do" rather than picking random numbers and pledging them to the NHS they'd probably have lost.
Indeed. And if Leave hadn't run the most mendacious nakedly racist national campaign of outright lies in UK political history they would certainly have lost.
As the leading leavers exit stage right..."I have a bad feeling about this"
Personally have today sold all my pension investments (other than the gold fund) and intend watching from the sidelines until late autumn. Cash is trash as they say but investment risk not for me at the moment. Too much downside risk I fear. I could be the new henchman...gawd help me
I'm sure that Brexit supporters would still have campaigned to leave the EU if the result had been 52/48 the other way, but it's very unlikely that the current government would have given us a second referendum.
Precisely. The decision has been taken, Brexit means Brexit. We need to move on to making the best of it. The way to do that is not to stick our heads in the sand and deny that we are seeing severe economic damage. That should be a position that people can unite around.
It's hilarious. Most of the country are moving on and looking to the future and a few on PB are stamping their feet like toddlers predicting the end of the world.
A few on PB have their heads stuck up their arse in the sand about the realities of Brexit.
@DPJHodges: When you say to Outers "you're going to have to take responsibility for what happens now" they seem to get a little panicky. Instructive.
Perhaps if Remain had campaigned on "if we lose, we will simply give up running the country" rather on threatening punishment budgets they might have polled more votes..
Yawn....and if Leave had campaigned on "if we win we won't have a clue what to do" rather than picking random numbers and pledging them to the NHS they'd probably have lost.
Indeed. And if Leave hadn't run the most mendacious nakedly racist national campaign of outright lies in UK political history they would certainly have lost.
Funny old world.
And maybe you would have won, had you run a competent campaign, or engaged in a serious effort to reform the EU in a direction that would have appealed to people in this country.
Perhaps if Remain had campaigned on "if we lose, we will simply give up running the country" rather on threatening punishment budgets they might have polled more votes..
Yawn....and if Leave had campaigned on "if we win we won't have a clue what to do" rather than picking random numbers and pledging them to the NHS they'd probably have lost.
Indeed. And if Leave hadn't run the most mendacious nakedly racist national campaign of outright lies in UK political history they would certainly have lost.
Funny old world.
anger won't help your situation, maybe politics isn't the right sphere for you if you dont like lies. Never mind, there's always the 2020 general election to cheer you up
I can't believe that so many of the vociferous PB remainers are still in denial! We are leaving the EU, get over it.
It's hilarious. Most of the country are moving on and looking to the future and a few on PB are stamping their feet like toddlers predicting the end of the world.
There is no evidence for that contention. Indeed all surveys and anecdotes suggest quite the opposite – that the two sides are unwilling to back down and the national is utterly, horribly divided.
It's hilarious. Most of the country are moving on and looking to the future and a few on PB are stamping their feet like toddlers predicting the end of the world.
A few on PB have their heads stuck up their arse in the sand about the realities of Brexit.
@DPJHodges: When you say to Outers "you're going to have to take responsibility for what happens now" they seem to get a little panicky. Instructive.
and when you quote Dan Hodges it shows that you have no grasp of what's really happening. It's a shame both sides couldn't win but that is life, you can remain bitter for the rest of your days or maybe try and look positively to the future like the rest of us.
As the leading leavers exit stage right..."I have a bad feeling about this"
Personally have today sold all my pension investments (other than the gold fund) and intend watching from the sidelines until late autumn. Cash is trash as they say but investment risk not for me at the moment. Too much downside risk I fear. I could be the new henchman...gawd help me
Perhaps if Remain had campaigned on "if we lose, we will simply give up running the country" rather on threatening punishment budgets they might have polled more votes..
Yet another idiot post. Maybe you should stop posting here and listen to Mr. Carney for a few minutes.
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Strategy to clear mess is simple: abandon Brexit.
Of Cameron Grundy
The EU lost its AAA rating in 2013 as well.
We're certainly going to have tough times. Only an idiot would think otherwise. But wanking over rating agencies is just sad.
The fundamental issue that the country has to address is our current account deficit. That's being paid for by FDI and equity investment inflows.
The people have spoken. Their decision can be respected, or held in contempt.
The simple but inescapable fact is that Labour won it for Leave! Perhaps someone should explain this to the likes of the foul-mouthed Charlotte Church and her fellow rebels.
Leadsom + Fox + 75% of Gove = 33% of declared Tory MPs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19mKbV0UnIbX_lbiinKiquP0ghiFpsMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?usp=sharing&pref=2&pli=1&sle=true
I really liked the US Army Most Wanted playing cards - a great dual use little tactic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most-wanted_Iraqi_playing_cards
* By viable I am talking degrees in this case. Our job now is to make the people's choice sort of work
"No one on the remain side fully anticipated an emotional groundswell of contempt for the very idea of political authority as dispensed from a liberal citadel in Westminster. The remain politicians found themselves besieged by an angry insurrection, channelling grievances that were well known. They stood for a cause that became emblematic of a system that was alien, arrogant and remote – and they had no answer."
Loony Leadsom wouldn't go for it though.
Is a senior VP higher than a VP?
I thought she was Chief Investment Officer for 10 years at Invesco?
By reputable I mean any of the models aggregated by the IFS (so you have a choice of 13), the IMF and (only a summary) Standard & Poors. That's just fifteen I know of. I'm sure there maybe more.
Oh.
The EU is made on weak foundations, and it's a nonsensical arrangement doomed to failure. They'll integrate more for ideological purposes but strategic considerations of culture, economy and politics will pull it apart.
The longer it is exists, and the longer we're a member of it, the greater the pain of the unravelling. Better to take lesser pain now (and regain the ability to make our own way in the world) that let the rot fester and make the pain worse down the line.
I suspect we'll see widespread civil disorder in Europe during the course of my lifetime (assuming I don't pop my clogs early). The chance of a significant war is small, but grows as the EU's empire-building goes on.
The Uk does not approve of retrospective laws. One reason companies come here.
Were the result reversed the eurosceptics would never have rolled over. Indeed Farage himself said a tight result should trigger a second referendum.
No way The 48 will rollover while a uneasy coalition of non-voters, bitter xenophobic failures and rightwing frothers sets about wilfully destroying the country and the economy. Sorry to break it to you.
No senior politician has suggested anything other than BREXIT is on the cards -
I am in blood
Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o'er.
In a way "Project Fear tell it like it is" helps with BREXIT because no one can reasonably say they weren't warned.
Curious.
What's your threshold?
Oh god the denial stage anger stage schtick.
Change the fucking record.
The true voice of a europhobe.
Nobody cares what Junker says anymore, if they ever did.
But the idea that The 48 should just now rollover is bollocks, and would not have been the outcome were the result reversed.
Mr. Evershed, indeed. The balance of changes have been negative but there have been some upsides (for exporters, for example).
We are still in the EU. We are a member of the European Union.
No bridge has yet been crossed!
Quite – as many of us have said numerous times. Clearly many Leavers cannot read.
Nothing that's happened so far is dreadful. We need to wait and see what the new PM's approach is.
What's your threshold?
"The FPC’s report confirmed that our economy is now in serious danger as business confidence evaporates. Every single job lost, every deal cancelled and every home foreclosed will be on the hands of those who promised the earth but offer no clear picture for our future relationship with Europe."
I place a value on many things. A well functioning successful economy is one of the prime ones.
When I speak to CEOs and owners of companies it makes a difference that I can call myself a Managing Director.
Indeed. And if Leave hadn't run the most mendacious nakedly racist national campaign of outright lies in UK political history they would certainly have lost.
Funny old world.
Personally have today sold all my pension investments (other than the gold fund) and intend watching from the sidelines until late autumn. Cash is trash as they say but investment risk not for me at the moment. Too much downside risk I fear. I could be the new henchman...gawd help me
up their arsein the sand about the realities of Brexit.@DPJHodges: When you say to Outers "you're going to have to take responsibility for what happens now" they seem to get a little panicky. Instructive.
@D_Blanchflower: $1.3187 and falling the experts did warn you this would happen
That's how messed up we are...
There is no evidence for that contention. Indeed all surveys and anecdotes suggest quite the opposite – that the two sides are unwilling to back down and the national is utterly, horribly divided.