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  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    It could all be a conspiracy to keep us watching all night of course.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    IanB2 said:

    MP_SE said:

    Can anyone explain Crawley? Leave 60% seems very very high for the area.

    Unlike the rest of Surrey Crawley is quite wwc
    Thanks. I have only driven through a couple of times so don't know a lot about it.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    Crawley is only 72% white British which is why my formula was giving a relatively good figure for Remain but maybe EMs in a place like Crawley are more Leave than I expected.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,970
    pbr2013 said:

    What is par for Newcastle?

    Remain has to be ahead. 60% would be good for them, I reckon. 55% would be poor.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,204

    Crawley is, and always has been, in Sussex.

    Geography is a damned fine thing, a damned fine thing indeed.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649

    pbr2013 said:

    What is par for Newcastle?

    55-45 Remain
    Ta
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,813
    IanB2 said:

    MP_SE said:

    Can anyone explain Crawley? Leave 60% seems very very high for the area.

    Unlike the rest of Surrey Crawley is quite wwc
    Technically Crawley is West Sussex - but yeah, it's abnormal for the area - WWC based around Gatwick Airport.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    1.28/4.4 on betfair
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    tlg86 said:

    Starfall said:

    I'll believe Leave have won when the votes are all counted. And the negotiation has occurred. And we actually leave.

    Still think Remain are favourite.

    I still don't believe Leave can win after Jo Cox.
    It may have led to shy leavers.
    More likely than anyone exchanging their votes for tears for someone they'd never heard of...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,475

    Pollsters absolutely destroyed now. They have had no idea.

    No one does :o

    Apart from those counting the votes! (and MI5)
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941

    Lowlander said:

    Pulpstar said:

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Stephen Daisley ‏@JournoStephen 16m16 minutes ago
    Remain campaign tells @STVColin that in Liberton (average middle class area in Edinburgh), so far it's 75% Remain/25% Leave. #EURef

    Edinburgh shd be a par of 73%.
    Liberton is posh Edinburgh. Places like Wester Hailes will be 60%+ Leave.
    Yes, surely that's the highest they're gonna get.
    Places like Central and even though its SNP, North Leith (which is very young) will also be high Remain. But there's enough pockets to vote Leave to bring the total below the par figure.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    45-50 band on betfair better value than the outright Leave, I think
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,475
    Newcastle comes!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,813

    Pollsters absolutely destroyed now. They have had no idea.

    The best estimate is the UKIP vote in a seat, if it was more than the 13% it got nationally it should go leave if 50/50, if less Remain
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,415
    According to Curtice Newcastle should be 62:38 remain
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    here we go
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    murali_s said:

    60% plus for Leave in Sunderland is sensational for Leave.

    It was expected to be 60:40 Leave.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    AndyJS said:

    Anyone have a link to a par spreadsheet? Preferably with don't knows excluded.

    This is my spreadsheet for England only:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCtN3IY76azcr_6OiFPvZI0eXi_8JJqxT7d8vNhW2Do/edit#gid=0
    That's based on an England 50/50, what adjustment would be needed to make it a UK 50/50.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Newcastle incoming
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,463
    IanB2 said:

    MP_SE said:

    Can anyone explain Crawley? Leave 60% seems very very high for the area.

    Unlike the rest of Surrey Crawley is quite wwc
    London overflow.
  • CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    Only we British could make out Hitler from random objects. It's a useful skill - we can spot a fascist lurking at a good distance..
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,541

    FPT

    I didn't exactly "crawl over broken glass" to vote LEAVE today, but expended about 5 hours and a Virgin West Coast return train fare between London and Coventry, and nearly got soaked exiting my local Tube station. Nearly :)

    I wondered if you'd had to swim. D'you remember the ad for Milk Tray?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited June 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Crawley over 60% Leave

    Oh, come on, Mr Hyfud, what use is that post, give us a link at least!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,581
    The octo-lemur wish to remind the site they predicted 52% victory for Leave.

    More importantly, kudos to Mr. Putney. His double digit (12/1, I think) tip on the margin being within 1% is looking promising.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,813
    edited June 2016
    Newcastle

    Remain 65,404 Leave 63,598
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    BARELY 50% for Remain in Newcastle.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,641
    THIS IS ON!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,970
    nwcasrle

    r 65,404
    l 63,598
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,475
    Close! No idea what it means though!!!!
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    ooooooo
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,204
    BOOOM
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Oh wow thats not good for remain
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    Newcastle:

    Remain: 65,404 (50.7%)
    Leave: 63,598 (49.3%)

    Relatively good result for Leave. I was expecting 56% Remain.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,265
    Good result for leave there.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,415
    Leave have won or Curtice is miles out.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Newcastle more or less as expected
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Whoa geordies
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Leave now 3.7.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    I was just off to bed - are we now thinking leave has a chance?
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    WOW.

    JUST WOW at the Newcastle result. Will be amazing if Sunderland backs it up with something like 60-40
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,918
    FUCK!!!!!!!!!!
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Sterling down to nearly 1.48!!!!

    PANIC! PANIC!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Just about 2k in it!! :open_mouth:
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 739
    This is absolutely fascinating! Is the NE an outlier, or...?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    KABOOOOOM
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,263

    Only we British could make out Hitler from random objects. It's a useful skill - we can spot a fascist lurking at a good distance..
    It will be called the Farage door shortly I am sure.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2016
    DavidL said:

    Leave have won or Curtice is miles out.

    Remain's only hope now is that the middle-class Home County Tory voters have gone heavily Remain - to compensate for Labour voters going much more heavily Leave than expected.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,303
    Does Newcastle mean REMAIN have walked this?
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255

    DanSmith said:

    weejonnie said:

    DanSmith said:

    HYUFD said:

    Crawley over 60% Leave

    What is par score for Crawley?
    51.62
    Lets say it, Leave looks to be miles ahead of where it needs to be to win. This isn't even close at the moment.
    Early days, early days
    This is a very strange and unfamiliar feeling. Very little, but potentially hugely significant little groups of information - or not. It's almost like relying on soothsayers or witches, who might suddenly turn out to be shockingly right- or triumphantly making fools of all . I prefer election nights.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Game on? This is going to very very interesting!!!!!
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    50.7/49.3
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited June 2016
    Newcastle 10% more leave than Hanretty.

    Outside the 90% CI

    !
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,265
    Floater said:

    I was just off to bed - are we now thinking leave has a chance?

    Yes.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,204

    Only we British could make out Hitler from random objects. It's a useful skill - we can spot a fascist lurking at a good distance..
    That is a GREAT tweet.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,936
    Yes great result for LEAVE in Newcastle

    LAB Leave vote solid
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    surbiton said:

    Newcastle more or less as expected

    Leave have won this. Just as expected.

  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Betfair is coming in for a reason
    This is far from over!!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,970

    Does Newcastle mean REMAIN have walked this?

    No.

    This is a good number for Leave. Not amazing. But good.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,263
    At this rate SO might be crucial!!!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,581
    edited June 2016
    Mr. VW, worth noting the NE was a good area for UKIP in the General Election. If there's high turnout in London, that could counterbalance this.

    Edited extra bit: Dr. Prasannan, I think you're confusing Sunderland/Newcastle. Former should be 54% Leave for parity. Roughly the reverse, I think, for Newcastle.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,265
    Wow
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Have any Geordies on PB voted Remain?
  • Newcastle result is a horror show for Remain in the North.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    surbiton said:

    Newcastle more or less as expected

    Leave have won this. Just as expected.

    Remain need huge wins in London, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Home Counties.
  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 78
    I am with Richard Nabavi. We can not read too much into two very working class areas at one end of the country.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,358
    I just can't get over the Newcastle result. The residential areas within the city boundaries are affluent and full of students. I've seen nothing but remain literature within the city centre.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Curtice says "some concern" for Remain. And turnout.
  • Danny565 said:

    DavidL said:

    Leave have won or Curtice is miles out.

    Remain's only hope now is that the middle-class Home County Tory voters have gone heavily Remain - to compensate for Labour voters going much more heavily Leave than expected.
    We need Wandsworth
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,713

    Does Newcastle mean REMAIN have walked this?

    Hadaway 'n shite, man
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Polling Disaster Alert....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,813
    Orkney 63% Remain 37% Leave
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523
    I've greened up, which was probably a poor move.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,303
    Orkney REMAIN 63/37
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    I'm feeling like £700 is in my back pocket and I didn't put a single bet on till I backed Leave today. Plus a much higher chance of Indyref 2. Christmas in June.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,265
    Starfall said:

    I am with Richard Nabavi. We can not read too much into two very working class areas at one end of the country.

    This, some places in the south will be much more remain than predicted.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,263
    Question....how do we think (if at all) a very divided England on this issue, North vs south, will have on normal party politics?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,970
    HYUFD said:

    Orkney 63% Remain 37% Leave

    Reasonable result for Remain.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,415

    The octo-lemur wish to remind the site they predicted 52% victory for Leave.

    More importantly, kudos to Mr. Putney. His double digit (12/1, I think) tip on the margin being within 1% is looking promising.

    Ahem, not just the octo-lemur. WHy is that not being reported as a disaster for Remain? They can still win it back in London but there is going to be some very heavy lifting there on this result.

    Orkney supposed to be 58:42 remain.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    London weather and floods may turn out to be crucial
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Danny565 said:

    DavidL said:

    Leave have won or Curtice is miles out.

    Remain's only hope now is that the middle-class Home County Tory voters have gone heavily Remain - to compensate for Labour voters going much more heavily Leave than expected.
    A lot also depends on London, of course.
  • CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    BBC woman reporting from Sunderland looks close to tears. Expecting a great LEAVE result then!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    I just can't get over the Newcastle result. The residential areas within the city boundaries are affluent and full of students. I've seen nothing but remain literature within the city centre.

    Even if TeamLeave loses - I'm very proud of my fellow Geordies right now.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,204
    RodCrosby said:

    Polling Disaster Alert....

    Its a terrrrrrrible night for the Tories......


    right?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523
    But 3.4 seems to be a nice low :)
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,265
    AndyJS said:

    surbiton said:

    Newcastle more or less as expected

    Leave have won this. Just as expected.

    Remain need huge wins in London, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Home Counties.
    Do you have a link to your spreadsheet?
  • Dont panic

    that splashing sound is Dave and Georges bowls evacuating
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Is it just me, or are these BBC reporters at the counts getting progressively more grim-faced as the night goes on.
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    Orkney result slightly better for leave than on the model.

    Hmmmmm...
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 739
    RodCrosby said:

    Polling Disaster Alert....

    Kellner looks to have been way off...again. But who knows...
  • CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    Danny565 said:

    Is it just me, or are these BBC reporters at the counts getting progressively more grim-faced as the night goes on.

    Snap lol
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    BBC woman reporting from Sunderland looks close to tears. Expecting a great LEAVE result then!

    Absolutely. Her face was like THUNDER!!!!!!!
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    BBC live in Remain HQ and very, very quiet now.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Danny565 said:

    Is it just me, or are these BBC reporters at the counts getting progressively more grim-faced as the night goes on.

    No, it's not just you.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    Does Newcastle mean REMAIN have walked this?

    Re: previous thread. The Channel Islands aren't part of the EU, but some of them that migrated at the full moon during the year of the mackerel are eligible to vote.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,813
    Given what we've seen so far as well as comments - I wonder if this is splitting more on Class lines than expected. If Remain win - it looks like they will need stronger than expected performance in the true blue home counties / tory shires. The first of which expected to declare is Hart by my spreadsheet. (Hanratty hs 50/50, Andy has 52/48 in favour of Remain)
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Newcastle! NO! NO! NO! I can't handle this!
    I can handle the despair - it's the hope that i can't handle.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,263
    Just a point of warning...Remember 2010 when early results showed Tories doing better than expected in places like the NE, but ended up doing worse elsewhere.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    Orkney:

    Remain: 7,189 (63.2%)
    Leave: 4,193 (36.8%)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    AndyJS said:

    surbiton said:

    Newcastle more or less as expected

    Leave have won this. Just as expected.

    Remain need huge wins in London, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Home Counties.

    London will be big for Remain. The rest less so. This is Leave's night.

  • Mortimer said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Polling Disaster Alert....

    Its a terrrrrrrible night for the Tories......


    right?
    Disaster for Scottish Labour.
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