"Find me a quote by David Cameron saying Brexit leads to World War III."
Callaghan never said "Crisis? What crisis?" Fat lot of good that did him - it's what he meant. I can give you some other examples too, but you will know them already.
That's Dave's petard, so he may as well give us a wave from the top.
I've got some feedback for you on Dewsbury. Looking grim in some parts for Remain, very positive in other parts.
The Asian community aren't as enthusiastic for Remain as you would think.
Is one of those areas, LabourIN are working hard am told.
Well that much was obvious. As someone of Asian descent you should know how badly the EU migration policy plays among Asians. It's discriminatory towards Asian countries where highly skilled family members regularly get rejected for work visas and then they are served coffee in Starbucks by an unskilled EU migrant.
Also, just to add that my cousin just got rejected for a work visa and he's an honours graduate from Pune university in pharmacology. He would walk into any major pharmaceutical company in the and had a highly paid job lined up, but his application was recently rejected.
That's the UK government's immigration policy, isn't it?
Dictated by the inability to block unskilled migration from the EU. As I said earlier I would favour free movement of highly skilled labour to the UK globally rather than free movement unskilled, semi-skilled and highly skilled workers from Europe.
Dictated by political expediency and the desire for positive headlines. The truth is that your cousin could be here now. Our elected government decided that he can't be.
It's very notable canvassing that middle class people are much readier to be rude to you on the doorstep than WWC. I guess that's because middle class liberals just know that they are right about everything, so why treat an opponent with any respect at all?
"Find me a quote by David Cameron saying Brexit leads to World War III."
Callaghan never said "Crisis? What crisis?" Fat lot of good that did him - it's what he meant. I can give you some other examples too, but you will know them already.
That's Dave's petard, so he may as well give us a wave from the top.
I've got some feedback for you on Dewsbury. Looking grim in some parts for Remain, very positive in other parts.
The Asian community aren't as enthusiastic for Remain as you would think.
Is one of those areas, LabourIN are working hard am told.
Well that much was obvious. As someone of Asian descent you should know how badly the EU migration policy plays among Asians. It's discriminatory towards Asian countries where highly skilled family members regularly get rejected for work visas and then they are served coffee in Starbucks by an unskilled EU migrant.
Also, just to add that my cousin just got rejected for a work visa and he's an honours graduate from Pune university in pharmacology. He would walk into any major pharmaceutical company in the and had a highly paid job lined up, but his application was recently rejected.
That's the UK government's immigration policy, isn't it?
Dictated by the inability to block unskilled migration from the EU. As I said earlier I would favour free movement of highly skilled labour to the UK globally rather than free movement unskilled, semi-skilled and highly skilled workers from Europe.
Dictated by political expediency and the desire for positive headlines. The truth is that your cousin could be here now. Our elected government decided that he can't be.
In what way were the 330k net migration figures a positive headline, as you have said on many occasions, it is the single headline than has hurt the remain camp the most. Eliminating 100k worth of unskilled migration from Europe, removing students from the figures (most of them go back, count them if they stay) and removing restrictions from highly skilled migrants from non-EU locations would still result in a fall in net migration to politically acceptable levels while not hurting the economy, either on an absolute or per capita basis.
If we need to leave the EU to achieve that goal then so be it.
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
It's very notable canvassing that middle class people are much readier to be rude to you on the doorstep than WWC. I guess that's because middle class liberals just know that they are right about everything, so why treat an opponent with any respect at all?
I have also experienced this.
With respect....try telling a group of pensioners that Remain is even an option and listen to the abuse you get.
Yes. He said every time Britain withdraws from Europe there is a war and we have to go back in to sort it out. After naming several wars including WW2, simple arithmetic gets us to 3.
sod it
if the Germans invade Belgium again they can keep it. The Belgians will be happier that way too.
More serious is the potential repercussions in Northern Ireland. Would British voters support sending in the troops again if there was serious unrest? I'm not sure.
I'd give them a referendum with consequences. Everyone votes in public (i.e. we know how everyone votes) and in the case of the North voting to unify with the Republic, those who voted to join the Republic lose their British citizenship and rights to benefits and all the rest of it. Those who opted to stay with us will have the option to relocate to Britain.
I'd imagine the vast majority of those voting for unification wouldn't have British citizenship.
Re Dewsbury: Thanks for the info. Interesting. So the main division is between the posh and the plebs, as in the rest of country.
Unfortunately, that's the sort of division that's worst. Hope post-referendum, it doesn't get even worse.
That's what I'm finding too. I think project fear has worked with the middle classes. I think Leave have helped on that front. 'There'll be a hit, but only short term, so what, FREEDOM'
Dave as the greatest One Nation PM ever will reunite the country after the referendum
He will have difficulty reuniting the party let alone the country if Remain scrapes home, I think if that is the result UKIP will eat into the white working class Labour vote and the lower middle class Tory vote
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
I've had this too. Reminds me of 'No' in Scotland.
Yes. He said every time Britain withdraws from Europe there is a war and we have to go back in to sort it out. After naming several wars including WW2, simple arithmetic gets us to 3.
sod it
if the Germans invade Belgium again they can keep it. The Belgians will be happier that way too.
More serious is the potential repercussions in Northern Ireland. Would British voters support sending in the troops again if there was serious unrest? I'm not sure.
For a backwater which has effectively been ignored for the last 30 years, suddenly NI of huge interest to people who have shown no interest in it before.
It's very notable canvassing that middle class people are much readier to be rude to you on the doorstep than WWC. I guess that's because middle class liberals just know that they are right about everything, so why treat an opponent with any respect at all?
I have also experienced this.
The rudest I ever met were SDPers. Then LDs. Never had much from Labour at all - more No Chance smiles and handing leaflets back.
When you're explaining ... you know the rest. Cameron knew what he wanted to do - to worry people unnecessarily, but he went a little too far and is being mocked. Sorry, Dave, sometimes you're not very good at politics. He's wisely moved on and is in the process of saying very little for a while.
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
"Remain" are in desperate trouble if that is the way flipping Newham is swinging.
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
And the same person canvassed by someone from the Remain campaign would whisper they were too .
Yes. He said every time Britain withdraws from Europe there is a war and we have to go back in to sort it out. After naming several wars including WW2, simple arithmetic gets us to 3.
sod it
if the Germans invade Belgium again they can keep it. The Belgians will be happier that way too.
More serious is the potential repercussions in Northern Ireland. Would British voters support sending in the troops again if there was serious unrest? I'm not sure.
For a backwater which has effectively been ignored for the last 30 years, suddenly NI of huge interest to people who have shown no interest in it before.
#politicalfootball
The real answer is it's not going to make much difference in Northern Ireland. If there were a border poll, we know pretty much what the outcome would be.
The Swingback theory worked in GE 2015 and will work again as the status quo becomes a safe haven away from market and currency turbulence.Swingback will be in full swing by the weekend so Remain could get to a backable price due to short-term sentiment.
I'd give them a referendum with consequences. Everyone votes in public (i.e. we know how everyone votes) and in the case of the North voting to unify with the Republic, those who voted to join the Republic lose their British citizenship and rights to benefits and all the rest of it. Those who opted to stay with us will have the option to relocate to Britain.
I'd imagine the vast majority of those voting for unification wouldn't have British citizenship.
What do you mean - are there that many people living in Northern Ireland who aren't British - and would they get a vote?
It's very notable canvassing that middle class people are much readier to be rude to you on the doorstep than WWC. I guess that's because middle class liberals just know that they are right about everything, so why treat an opponent with any respect at all?
I have also experienced this.
The rudest I ever met were SDPers. Then LDs. Never had much from Labour at all - more No Chance smiles and handing leaflets back.
Yes. That sense of being morally superior because they were not Con or Lab.
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
I would be very sceptical of this shy leaver talk. The fact is people love to please.
Either that or tell you they agree just so you leave...
Yes. He said every time Britain withdraws from Europe there is a war and we have to go back in to sort it out. After naming several wars including WW2, simple arithmetic gets us to 3.
sod it
if the Germans invade Belgium again they can keep it. The Belgians will be happier that way too.
More serious is the potential repercussions in Northern Ireland. Would British voters support sending in the troops again if there was serious unrest? I'm not sure.
For a backwater which has effectively been ignored for the last 30 years, suddenly NI of huge interest to people who have shown no interest in it before.
#politicalfootball
I'm not saying I am that interested in it. But I certainly wouldn't want to see British troops risking their lives to satisfy Boris' vanity and hedge fund managers who want to avoid EU regulations.
Yes. He said every time Britain withdraws from Europe there is a war and we have to go back in to sort it out. After naming several wars including WW2, simple arithmetic gets us to 3.
sod it
if the Germans invade Belgium again they can keep it. The Belgians will be happier that way too.
More serious is the potential repercussions in Northern Ireland. Would British voters support sending in the troops again if there was serious unrest? I'm not sure.
I'd give them a referendum with consequences. Everyone votes in public (i.e. we know how everyone votes) and in the case of the North voting to unify with the Republic, those who voted to join the Republic lose their British citizenship and rights to benefits and all the rest of it. Those who opted to stay with us will have the option to relocate to Britain.
I'd imagine the vast majority of those voting for unification wouldn't have British citizenship.
It's very notable canvassing that middle class people are much readier to be rude to you on the doorstep than WWC. I guess that's because middle class liberals just know that they are right about everything, so why treat an opponent with any respect at all?
I have also experienced this.
With respect....try telling a group of pensioners that Remain is even an option and listen to the abuse you get.
The worst haranguing I had was from a pro-Remain pensioner
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
Again, these are people who have had family and friends rejected for work (or even visitor) visas and they blame the EU. @SouthamObserver can blame the government all he likes and while that may be technically correct, the perception among Asian (and West Indian) migrants is that the EU is to blame because we have to take in a bunch of sponging gypsies from Romania.
Yes. He said every time Britain withdraws from Europe there is a war and we have to go back in to sort it out. After naming several wars including WW2, simple arithmetic gets us to 3.
sod it
if the Germans invade Belgium again they can keep it. The Belgians will be happier that way too.
More serious is the potential repercussions in Northern Ireland. Would British voters support sending in the troops again if there was serious unrest? I'm not sure.
For a backwater which has effectively been ignored for the last 30 years, suddenly NI of huge interest to people who have shown no interest in it before.
#politicalfootball
I'm not saying I am that interested in it. But I certainly wouldn't want to see British troops risking their lives to satisfy Boris' vanity and hedge fund managers who want to avoid EU regulations.
But you're quite happy to risk them in an EU army for disputes that have nothing to do with us.
Apparently the Russian FSB have banned many of the worst hooligans travelling to France ...I can't see there being any problems when the world cup is held in Russia, when the hooligans have home advantage & are at full strength.
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
I've had this too. Reminds me of 'No' in Scotland.
Some people will tell canvassers what they want to hear and most polls show the undecideds lean Remain. Leave are the nationalists like Yes in Scotland, Remain like No for the status quo
Utter rubbish from Gove. Later he says "Ultimately, the numbers who would come in the future would be decided by the Westminster parliament and the Holyrood parliament working together."
It's all smoke up your arse.
Note that the SNP wants more immigration to Scotland, not less. Lots of cheap labour for employers willing to donate to their party, and lots of lovely rural grants.
I wouldn't be surprised if Leave does even better in Scotland than in England and Wales.
Yes. He said every time Britain withdraws from Europe there is a war and we have to go back in to sort it out. After naming several wars including WW2, simple arithmetic gets us to 3.
sod it
if the Germans invade Belgium again they can keep it. The Belgians will be happier that way too.
More serious is the potential repercussions in Northern Ireland. Would British voters support sending in the troops again if there was serious unrest? I'm not sure.
For a backwater which has effectively been ignored for the last 30 years, suddenly NI of huge interest to people who have shown no interest in it before.
#politicalfootball
I'm not saying I am that interested in it. But I certainly wouldn't want to see British troops risking their lives to satisfy Boris' vanity and hedge fund managers who want to avoid EU regulations.
But you're quite happy to risk them in an EU army for disputes that have nothing to do with us.
What EU Army? British troops aren't ever committed to conflict without the say so of the British government.
So BT think it is a smart move for their brand to associate with REMAIN? The next time a customer (who is LEAVE such as I), has to choose their tv/broadband/mobile/telephone/etc supplier, some will remember and look harder for an alternative. After all it is widely known that LEAVErs are more passionate about the issue than REMAINers.
On a side note I have to say that BT is really only successful/survives in the UK. A quick look at their 2015 Report has the misnamed "Global Services" division really getting less than 60% of its revenues from outside the UK. GS represents under 20% of EBITDA - so take out the 40% UK part and it non-UK earnings are probably under 10% of all EBITDA of BT.... Why?
What Mr Rake and the other folk running BT should be focused on is improving their global performance and breaking out of their UK monopolies. Heck they have the EU - what is holding them back? Time they acted before Openreach goes.
Boom! And we are now into the lets boycott business's that hold an opposing view in the Referendum. I have lost count of the amount of business's the Cybernats wanted boycotted.
@TSE I hadn't realised that Florida was in the EU.
Yup, there is that. won't stop some Leavers trying to weaponise Orlando.
They don't have to do anything.
The fact is that a Muslim nutter murdered innocent people who believe in western values. If you think that helps play into Remain's position, you're welcome.
I don't think that a homegrown terrorist plays into the hands of either group. Free movement of people across the EU has nothing to do with terrorism in the US commited by a US citizen.
The issue is that the US terrorist was a muslim who seems to have mudered 50 people on the grounds that that they did not conform to Islam ideology.
The combination of millions of muslim migrants now entering the EU and their free movement within the EU after a number of qualifying years, could be a timebomb.
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If we need to leave the EU to achieve that goal then so be it.
From the report by the conhome canvasser in Newham:
"Not a canvass session goes by when I do not encounter someone who claims to be undecided, then asks which way I am campaigning before ‘fessing up’ that they too are voting leave. This seems to be more prevalent among ethnic minority residents in my experience. Every new member of our canvassing teams gets excited by shy leavers “they said they didn’t know but when I told them I was for leave, they whispered and said they were too!”
#politicalfootball
When you're explaining ... you know the rest. Cameron knew what he wanted to do - to worry people unnecessarily, but he went a little too far and is being mocked. Sorry, Dave, sometimes you're not very good at politics. He's wisely moved on and is in the process of saying very little for a while.
NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
Either that or tell you they agree just so you leave...
I've still got £50 here at evens that Scotland will vote remain by >2% than the national vote share. Do you want to take that action?
Odd.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/13/brexit-will-not-mean-big-drop-in-immigration-hilary-benn-says
The combination of millions of muslim migrants now entering the EU and their free movement within the EU after a number of qualifying years, could be a timebomb.