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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    An epiphany is not the same as a delusion.

    Keep taking the tablets.
    Not sure it helps, but you're very definitely in the "idiot, careerist c*nt" bracket.

    Does that actually help? I'm never entirely sure, when handing out this advice, but I live to serve.


    Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

    This medical advice comes free of charge.
    SeanT is neither fat nor stupid. Crude insults of low cunning, expected nothing less from a Remainer.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Cameron is a lying cnut,I'm sure Mr Smithson can't argue with that.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,396

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    An epiphany is not the same as a delusion.

    Keep taking the tablets.
    Not sure it helps, but you're very definitely in the "idiot, careerist c*nt" bracket.

    Does that actually help? I'm never entirely sure, when handing out this advice, but I live to serve.


    Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

    This medical advice comes free of charge.
    One of my favourite 'Animal House' quotes. Unfortunately having watched it at the age of 14 I now seem to have taken the flip side of that quote as a guiding principle for my life.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,917

    Cameron is a lying cnut,I'm sure Mr Smithson can't argue with that.
    Sadly it says more about the British electorate than it does about David Cameron. We have had an election in between with no particular change in immigration figures.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    Cameron is a lying cnut,I'm sure Mr Smithson can't argue with that.
    In Japan today he said high immigration was a price worth paying, its difficult to disagree with your description.
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    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 29s29 seconds ago
    Exc: George Osborne (finally) to go head 2 head with Andrew Neil @afneil in #euref prime time. 7.30 BBC1 June 8 First face off as Chancellor
    Popcorn.

    Andrew Neil will destroy the little creep.
    Osborne will do OK but your comment about him "being a creep" says more about you than him.
    I have a very low opinion of George Osborne.
    What? George has 2% of the voters thinking of him as a natural Leader.....
    Charismatic? Also 2%.

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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:

    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.

    Oh, right.

    Athens?
    Problem there is an athlete could easily be duped into buying the country when he thought he was buying a coffee.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    An epiphany is not the same as a delusion.

    Keep taking the tablets.
    Not sure it helps, but you're very definitely in the "idiot, careerist c*nt" bracket.

    Does that actually help? I'm never entirely sure, when handing out this advice, but I live to serve.


    Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

    This medical advice comes free of charge.
    One of my favourite 'Animal House' quotes. Unfortunately having watched it at the age of 14 I now seem to have taken the flip side of that quote as a guiding principle for my life.
    Well spotted!

    https://youtu.be/iKS0GVvoE9I
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    GIN I am so pissed off with Osborne and Cameron who are utter ****s who.don't look after working class people, I am now voting Out!

    I didn't vote conservative for these people built on mummy and daddy money to put up my taxes to pay for spongers and benefits!!!!
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TOPPING said:

    Cameron is a lying cnut,I'm sure Mr Smithson can't argue with that.
    Sadly it says more about the British electorate than it does about David Cameron. We have had an election in between with no particular change in immigration figures.
    And Cameron again banging on about cutting immigration at the GE.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,294
    Ave_it said:

    GIN I am so pissed off with Osborne and Cameron who are utter ****s who.don't look after working class people, I am now voting Out!

    I didn't vote conservative for these people built on mummy and daddy money to put up my taxes to pay for spongers and benefits!!!!

    Ave it!!!!!

    True British hero ;-)
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    saddened said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    An epiphany is not the same as a delusion.

    Keep taking the tablets.
    Not sure it helps, but you're very definitely in the "idiot, careerist c*nt" bracket.

    Does that actually help? I'm never entirely sure, when handing out this advice, but I live to serve.
    Sean, you appear to be in need of cheering up. So in case you missed it have a look at this


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3612784/Captured-laughing-rapist-bragged-buying-blue-eyed-Yazidi-girls-500-ISIS-militant-taken-prisoner-Iraqi-forces-filmed-sex-slave-market.html

    I believe it was you who had a major role in highlighting this tragedy.

    Looks like he will "have a nice day".
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MaxPB said:

    Tim_B said:

    Donald Trump announced today in Fresno that he will no longer be using the phrase "Lyin' Ted" and will be reassigning the term "Lyin'". I wonder to whom?

    He's been systematically attacking Warren on the Fauxcohantus stuff for the last week or so. My guess is "Lyin' Liz".
    Do try and keep up - Elizabeth Warren is either Pocahontas or Goofy. After the IG's report it has to be Hillary.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 29s29 seconds ago
    Exc: George Osborne (finally) to go head 2 head with Andrew Neil @afneil in #euref prime time. 7.30 BBC1 June 8 First face off as Chancellor
    Popcorn.

    Andrew Neil will destroy the little creep.
    Osborne will do OK but your comment about him "being a creep" says more about you than him.
    I have a very low opinion of George Osborne.
    What? George has 2% of the voters thinking of him as a natural Leader.....
    Charismatic? Also 2%.

    It's amazing isn't it. The statistical chance of polling both his wife and his mum...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,079
    Ave_it said:

    GIN I am so pissed off with Osborne and Cameron who are utter ****s who.don't look after working class people, I am now voting Out!

    I didn't vote conservative for these people built on mummy and daddy money to put up my taxes to pay for spongers and benefits!!!!

    Ave_it 4 PM!!!
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

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    dr_spyn said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 29s29 seconds ago
    Exc: George Osborne (finally) to go head 2 head with Andrew Neil @afneil in #euref prime time. 7.30 BBC1 June 8 First face off as Chancellor
    Popcorn.

    Crikey
    That's a shit or bust strategy
    Wow, easy to read too much into this but the private polling must be dire, if they were comfortably ahead Osborne would smugly wave it away. Massive gamble.
    Rather than seeing this as being a massive gamble by Osborne, I think it is more a case of him having an incredibly high opinion of his own intellect and thereby possessing a total and irrefutable grasp of all the issues relating to REMAIN being right as regards the EU referendum.
    He probably imagines in his own mind that he can gobble up anything Andrew Neil can throw at him and spit it out .... he may yet prove to be very mistaken.
    I agree. I am looking forward to it. Either way, Osborne will have to spend hours in preparation. All this Treasury shite will be dissected by Neil.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,294
    TOPPING said:

    Cameron is a lying cnut,I'm sure Mr Smithson can't argue with that.
    Sadly it says more about the British electorate than it does about David Cameron. We have had an election in between with no particular change in immigration figures.
    Credit where credit is due (feeling generous tonight) we wouldn't have had a referendum with Ed Miliband, and he'd have had a far more naive approach to the migration crisis too.

    But, that doesn't mean the British public were happy to vote for high net immigration.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Problem there is an athlete could easily be duped into buying the country when he thought he was buying a coffee.

    Good point.

    Berlin?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191
    Ave_it said:

    GIN I am so pissed off with Osborne and Cameron who are utter ****s who.don't look after working class people, I am now voting Out!

    I didn't vote conservative for these people built on mummy and daddy money to put up my taxes to pay for spongers and benefits!!!!

    Cameron and Osborne really can Ave It - Right on the nose! :smiley:
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    #sunil

    Believe in Britain

    Be-LEAVE!

    Osborne has to be the biggest moron ever

    All about putting up taxes on earned income to pay for bigger tax relief on inheritance from mummy and daddy money. C#?t.

    Sorry mike but at least it is different symbols :-)


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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686

    dr_spyn said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 29s29 seconds ago
    Exc: George Osborne (finally) to go head 2 head with Andrew Neil @afneil in #euref prime time. 7.30 BBC1 June 8 First face off as Chancellor
    Popcorn.

    Crikey
    That's a shit or bust strategy
    Wow, easy to read too much into this but the private polling must be dire, if they were comfortably ahead Osborne would smugly wave it away. Massive gamble.
    Rather than seeing this as being a massive gamble by Osborne, I think it is more a case of him having an incredibly high opinion of his own intellect and thereby possessing a total and irrefutable grasp of all the issues relating to REMAIN being right as regards the EU referendum.
    He probably imagines in his own mind that he can gobble up anything Andrew Neil can throw at him and spit it out .... he may yet prove to be very mistaken.
    I agree. I am looking forward to it. Either way, Osborne will have to spend hours in preparation. All this Treasury shite will be dissected by Neil.
    A similar gravity model would show incontrovertible gains from the UK joining the Euro. I expect it will be brought up.
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    Playing back the Newsnight politics parts. Rees Mogg usual polite brilliance - I wonder how he is regarded by most voters? Chris Patten came across (to me) as just a nasty slug in the earlier interview.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:

    Problem there is an athlete could easily be duped into buying the country when he thought he was buying a coffee.

    Good point.

    Berlin?
    What happened after the last Berlin Olympics? Didn't end well did it?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Osborne is a *.

    I have never taken benefits in my life but I paid £70,000 tax last year to pay for his spongers

    *
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    SeanT said:

    saddened said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    An epiphany is not the same as a delusion.

    Keep taking the tablets.
    Not sure it helps, but you're very definitely in the "idiot, careerist c*nt" bracket.

    Does that actually help? I'm never entirely sure, when handing out this advice, but I live to serve.
    Sean, you appear to be in need of cheering up. So in case you missed it have a look at this


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3612784/Captured-laughing-rapist-bragged-buying-blue-eyed-Yazidi-girls-500-ISIS-militant-taken-prisoner-Iraqi-forces-filmed-sex-slave-market.html

    I believe it was you who had a major role in highlighting this tragedy.

    Looks like he will "have a nice day".
    How utterly splendid. I hope they very very very slowly torture him to death. Over decades.
    They may not be that kind.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,511

    Scott_P said:

    Problem there is an athlete could easily be duped into buying the country when he thought he was buying a coffee.

    Good point.

    Berlin?
    What happened after the last Berlin Olympics? Didn't end well did it?
    Not sure you can blame the Olympics for that.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    This is just the beginning - there's plenty more to come. The FBI investigating VA. Gov. Terry McAuliffe for his time at Clinton Global Initiative, and the fact that more than 100 contributors gave both to the Foundation and his campaign fund, (the FBI investigating which started at the same time as the Clinton investigation), the Inspector General's report - there is plenty more.

    Hillary has been saying she'll talk to anyone any time about her emails to clear it up - she and her senior assistants refused to cooperate with the IG's investigation into her department during her time there. Every other S of S cooperated.

    Almost a salivation situation.

    Mika Brzezinski (tough to spell, I couldn't even begin to spell her dad's name Zbigniew), host of Morning Joe and ardent Hillary supporter said on the show yesterday that it looked like Hillary had straight lied all the way through.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    What happened after the last Berlin Olympics? Didn't end well did it?

    Running out of options here.

    Ok, we need to get away from Brazil to avoid sub-tropical mosquitoes.

    Doh, it's so obvious.

    Mexico City
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,294

    Playing back the Newsnight politics parts. Rees Mogg usual polite brilliance - I wonder how he is regarded by most voters? Chris Patten came across (to me) as just a nasty slug in the earlier interview.

    Are there any non-sluggish europhile grandees?

    Heath, Pym, Prior, Heseltine, Clarke, Patton, Mandelson, Blai..

    No, clearly not.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686
    SeanT said:

    saddened said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    An epiphany is not the same as a delusion.

    Keep taking the tablets.
    Not sure it helps, but you're very definitely in the "idiot, careerist c*nt" bracket.

    Does that actually help? I'm never entirely sure, when handing out this advice, but I live to serve.
    Sean, you appear to be in need of cheering up. So in case you missed it have a look at this


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3612784/Captured-laughing-rapist-bragged-buying-blue-eyed-Yazidi-girls-500-ISIS-militant-taken-prisoner-Iraqi-forces-filmed-sex-slave-market.html

    I believe it was you who had a major role in highlighting this tragedy.

    Looks like he will "have a nice day".
    How utterly splendid. I hope they very very very slowly torture him to death. Over decades.
    There's a Chinese torture method which kills someone by growing bamboo underneath a bed where they are tied down. That's still too good for these scumbags.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783

    dr_spyn said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 29s29 seconds ago
    Exc: George Osborne (finally) to go head 2 head with Andrew Neil @afneil in #euref prime time. 7.30 BBC1 June 8 First face off as Chancellor

    Popcorn.

    Crikey

    That's a shit or bust strategy
    Wow, easy to read too much into this but the private polling must be dire, if they were comfortably ahead Osborne would smugly wave it away. Massive gamble.
    Given Osborne's awful polling he means hasn't got a choice. If he does better than expected (low expectations) he'll be in a better place if there is a solid Remain win. If not, he can't really sink any further than 2%.

    He has nothing to lose.
    Agreed, this is about his personal ambitions rather than about the EU.

    I wonder if Cameron has told him that he plans to step down before year end.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Scott_P said:

    Problem there is an athlete could easily be duped into buying the country when he thought he was buying a coffee.

    Good point.

    Berlin?
    What happened after the last Berlin Olympics? Didn't end well did it?
    Not sure you can blame the Olympics for that.
    I'm sure I can if I want to! ;)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191
    edited May 2016
    Quite a good piece from David Davis

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/27/britain-is-not-like-other-countries--even-the-sclerotic-eu-will/


    "We are the world’s fifth biggest economy. We are a permanent member of the UN Security Council. We are a leading member of Nato, of the Commonwealth, and of the G7. We are a member of the powerful Five Eyes intelligence network. We owe none of these things to the EU. We are the nation of Shakespeare and Newton, of Faraday and Rutherford, of Gladstone and Churchill. Our language is spoken by 1.5 billion people and is the international standard for science, engineering, medicine, on the internet, in modern film and media, in commerce and law. We have more reach and reputation and influence than any country of 60 million has a right to expect. And the Remain team want us to choose between being Norway and Switzerland?"

    Makes a change to hear from a politician that doesn't think the UK is just a complete and utter waste of space...
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    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 29s29 seconds ago
    Exc: George Osborne (finally) to go head 2 head with Andrew Neil @afneil in #euref prime time. 7.30 BBC1 June 8 First face off as Chancellor
    Popcorn.

    Andrew Neil will destroy the little creep.
    Osborne will do OK but your comment about him "being a creep" says more about you than him.
    I have a very low opinion of George Osborne.
    What? George has 2% of the voters thinking of him as a natural Leader.....
    Charismatic? Also 2%.

    It's amazing isn't it. The statistical chance of polling both his wife and his mum...
    and all those people he gets to fill in online polls....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783
    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    GIN1138 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 29s29 seconds ago
    Exc: George Osborne (finally) to go head 2 head with Andrew Neil @afneil in #euref prime time. 7.30 BBC1 June 8 First face off as Chancellor
    Popcorn.

    Andrew Neil will destroy the little creep.
    Osborne will do OK but your comment about him "being a creep" says more about you than him.
    I have a very low opinion of George Osborne.
    What? George has 2% of the voters thinking of him as a natural Leader.....
    Charismatic? Also 2%.

    It's amazing isn't it. The statistical chance of polling both his wife and his mum...
    Imagine if they turn out to be the same person!
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:

    What happened after the last Berlin Olympics? Didn't end well did it?

    Running out of options here.

    Ok, we need to get away from Brazil to avoid sub-tropical mosquitoes.

    Doh, it's so obvious.

    Mexico City
    Nah. They'll hold the American athletes hostage just in case Trump gets in.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,511

    Scott_P said:

    I wonder where it could be held? Somewhere where a good Olympics were held?

    Moscow?
    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.
    Paris? They wouldn't need an Olympic cauldron for the flame, they could get a few strikers to set fire to some tyres?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited May 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    Quite a good piece from David Davis

    You had me up until David Davis

    "We are the world’s fifth biggest economy. We are a permanent member of the UN Security Council. We are a leading member of Nato, of the Commonwealth, and of the G7. We are a member of the powerful Five Eyes intelligence network. We owe none of these things to the EU. Being a member of the EU does not diminish any of these things. We are the nation of Shakespeare and Newton, of Faraday and Rutherford, of Gladstone and Churchill. Our language is spoken by 1.5 billion people and is the international standard for science, engineering, medicine, on the internet, in modern film and media, in commerce and law. We have more reach and reputation and influence than any country of 60 million has a right to expect.

    And the Remain LEAVE team want us to choose between being Norway and Switzerland?"
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191
    Ave_it said:



    I have never taken benefits in my life but I paid £70,000 tax last year to pay for his spongers

    *

    As a percentage to earnings you probably paid more tax than Amazon, Google, Facebook and the rest of the corporations Cameron/Osborne and the EU are so in love with....
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    Maybe he'll just dismantle OTAN, to get rid of the French. Who could object to that?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686
    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    I think Trump is playing a smarter game on defence. He sees how much of a fiscal black hole it is for the US and wants NATO countries to stop free-riding on US defence capability. The same is true for a lot of the overseas bases, I expect that the Japanese and Korean governments are going to get a fairly hefty annual invoice for being their first line of defence against Chinese aggression.
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    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    That's bad.

    They are c*nts. But it's worse for you. You are ruled by c*nts.
    Indubitably true. Albeit ripped off from *trainspotting*

    It is weird tho, how, when you drill down, all the most committed REMAINIACS are total shits, c*nts and hypocrites. It's like a job requirement.
    It reminded me of this.
    Long stock and two shooting barrels - scene by Vinnie Jones. About 1 miniute in.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkKduNT684
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Scott_P said:

    I wonder where it could be held? Somewhere where a good Olympics were held?

    Moscow?
    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.

    Paris? They wouldn't need an Olympic cauldron for the flame, they could get a few strikers to set fire to some tyres?
    Possibly a goer but the athletes will have to fly in to Brussels and then walk as they will have run out of fuel by then.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Scott_P said:

    I wonder where it could be held? Somewhere where a good Olympics were held?

    Moscow?
    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.
    Paris? They wouldn't need an Olympic cauldron for the flame, they could get a few strikers to set fire to some tyres?
    Yemen could probably do with a boost to its tourism.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    Just had a weird, epiphanic insight.

    Everyone who supports REMAIN is a c*nt, as well as a traitor, with the possible - just POSSIBLE exception of Southam Observer. They are either old, bitter c*nts, or young, clueless c*nts, or maybe idiot careerist c*nts - but they are still c*nts.

    Once you realise that, it all falls into place.

    That's bad.

    They are c*nts. But it's worse for you. You are ruled by c*nts.
    Indubitably true. Albeit ripped off from *trainspotting*

    It is weird tho, how, when you drill down, all the most committed REMAINIACS are total shits, c*nts and hypocrites. It's like a job requirement.
    It reminded me of this.
    Long stock and two shooting barrels - scene by Vinnie Jones. About 1 miniute in.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkKduNT684
    That's Snatch.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783

    Playing back the Newsnight politics parts. Rees Mogg usual polite brilliance - I wonder how he is regarded by most voters? Chris Patten came across (to me) as just a nasty slug in the earlier interview.

    Are there any non-sluggish europhile grandees?

    Heath, Pym, Prior, Heseltine, Clarke, Patton, Mandelson, Blai..

    No, clearly not.
    Aren't some of those people dead.
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    Playing back the Newsnight politics parts. Rees Mogg usual polite brilliance - I wonder how he is regarded by most voters? Chris Patten came across (to me) as just a nasty slug in the earlier interview.

    Are there any non-sluggish europhile grandees?

    Heath, Pym, Prior, Heseltine, Clarke, Patton, Mandelson, Blai..

    No, clearly not.
    Amazing how full of personal bile they all are. We have had Heseltine's splenetic attack on Boris and now fatty patty's. Just playing the man and not the ball.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited May 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    Just looking at your Avi and thought about this, Mitt Romney was right about Putin and having more troops in Iraq (preventing the rise of Islamic State:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwQqNdkyZZo
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Osborne is a #

    Anyway I don't like all this swearing on this site so am going back to guido!

    :lol:
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    I think Trump is playing a smarter game on defence. He sees how much of a fiscal black hole it is for the US and wants NATO countries to stop free-riding on US defence capability. The same is true for a lot of the overseas bases, I expect that the Japanese and Korean governments are going to get a fairly hefty annual invoice for being their first line of defence against Chinese aggression.
    But he's also said he wants to spend more on defence, a lot more. How much would be like from us and our European neighbours?

    If we were faced with a bill of 1% of GDP for being a member of NATO and having American protection, there would be a lot of people who wouldn't like that. And it would fly even less well in Germany and France. Even Italy and Spain would object.

    Donald Trump may well end up driving the European nations together.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,191
    Ave_it said:

    Osborne is a #

    Anyway I don't like all this swearing on this site so am going back to guido!

    :lol:

    Have fun! :smiley:
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783

    Playing back the Newsnight politics parts. Rees Mogg usual polite brilliance - I wonder how he is regarded by most voters? Chris Patten came across (to me) as just a nasty slug in the earlier interview.

    Are there any non-sluggish europhile grandees?

    Heath, Pym, Prior, Heseltine, Clarke, Patton, Mandelson, Blai..

    No, clearly not.
    Amazing how full of personal bile they all are. We have had Heseltine's splenetic attack on Boris and now fatty patty's. Just playing the man and not the ball.
    As opposed to this site, where no one ever does that :lol:
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    I wonder where it could be held? Somewhere where a good Olympics were held?

    Moscow?
    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.
    Paris? They wouldn't need an Olympic cauldron for the flame, they could get a few strikers to set fire to some tyres?
    Yemen could probably do with a boost to its tourism.
    That'd make the 100 meters exciting!
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    gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 493
    rcs1000 said:

    Playing back the Newsnight politics parts. Rees Mogg usual polite brilliance - I wonder how he is regarded by most voters? Chris Patten came across (to me) as just a nasty slug in the earlier interview.

    Are there any non-sluggish europhile grandees?

    Heath, Pym, Prior, Heseltine, Clarke, Patton, Mandelson, Blai..

    No, clearly not.
    Aren't some of those people dead.
    That would explain the sluggishness
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited May 2016
    I notice Trump mentioned problems with TSA at the end of his speech.

    Who was forensically probing this question two days ago?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrCyda5A7w
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,200
    Ave_it said:

    Believe in Britain

    Be-LEAVE!

    For some reason this works with Ave_it does it. It's some mysterious subtlety of the spacing and punctuation.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,200
    Did the voters remember to sign their copy and send it back to the Conservative Party? If not, there was never a deal.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,200
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    I think Trump is playing a smarter game on defence. He sees how much of a fiscal black hole it is for the US and wants NATO countries to stop free-riding on US defence capability. The same is true for a lot of the overseas bases, I expect that the Japanese and Korean governments are going to get a fairly hefty annual invoice for being their first line of defence against Chinese aggression.
    This is the amazing thing about Trump, he can just pull whatever thinks will impress the crowd at any given moment out of his arse and people will construct a complete well-thought-out strategy around it and say that's what he meant.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,414
    RodCrosby said:

    I notice Trump mentioned problems with TSA at the end of his speech.

    Who was forensically probing this question two days ago?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrCyda5A7w

    This can't be right. It is only hours since I bet on Ernst.
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    Migration only mentioned 74 times on previous thread ....
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    Alistair said:

    That's why I am so puzzled by playing the pension card so early by Cameron, loads of time for rebuttal
    The EU give, I believe, very good pensions which are impossible to harm
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Alistair said:

    That's why I am so puzzled by playing the pension card so early by Cameron, loads of time for rebuttal
    The EU give, I believe, very good pensions which are impossible to harm
    Yes, perhaps Osbourne should point out that UK pensioners could get a cast iron pension... by becoming an EU commissioner.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,667

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    I wonder where it could be held? Somewhere where a good Olympics were held?

    Moscow?
    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.
    Paris? They wouldn't need an Olympic cauldron for the flame, they could get a few strikers to set fire to some tyres?
    Yemen could probably do with a boost to its tourism.
    That'd make the 100 meters exciting!
    When I used to go to Yemen - back 20 years ago - it was said the only people who ran in that country were those who had just planted a bomb....

    And yes, it was a country worthy of tourism. Sad.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    With Cameron now admitting that uk could thrive outside EU (see express front page tomorrow) does make you wonder if he is preparing the ground for losing. Private polling must not be good
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,214
    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    Which threat is NATO currently protecting us from?

    I think you'd be amazed how quickly relations between the EU and Russia would be transformed (for the better) by the dissolution of NATO.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,414
    Oh...

    "Ed Miliband is considering a role in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet, the Telegraph understands."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/27/ed-miliband-is-considering-a-return-to-labours-shadow-cabinet/

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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    I notice Trump mentioned problems with TSA at the end of his speech.

    Who was forensically probing this question two days ago?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrCyda5A7w

    This can't be right. It is only hours since I bet on Ernst.
    There are a lot of dots joining up that Trump is mentioning in his recent speeches...

    Planes being serviced from scrapyards. (A10s for example)
    Border Security (who is the Chair of Border and Maritime Security Subcommittee?)
    The lawyer who vetted Palin - now tasked with vetting Trump's Veep - regretting Palin had no military or foreign policy experience.
    Women Pilots, and Veterans (Who has just won a battle to permit women WW2 veterans to be buried in Arlington? The first US woman fighter-pilot combat veteran, McSally)
    TSA (see below)

    What better masterstroke could Trump play than:-

    "OK, here's the story. Forget Crooked Hillary. Let me introduce to you, the woman who I hope and pray will one day be your first woman president. It's my privilege to introduce to you, my running mate, Martha McSally..."
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783
    kjohnw said:

    With Cameron now admitting that uk could thrive outside EU (see express front page tomorrow) does make you wonder if he is preparing the ground for losing. Private polling must not be good

    Is there any evidence that private polls are any more accurate than public ones? The SNP's private polling told them they were going to win the referendum, for example.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    I wonder where it could be held? Somewhere where a good Olympics were held?

    Moscow?
    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.
    Paris? They wouldn't need an Olympic cauldron for the flame, they could get a few strikers to set fire to some tyres?
    Yemen could probably do with a boost to its tourism.
    That'd make the 100 meters exciting!
    When I used to go to Yemen - back 20 years ago - it was said the only people who ran in that country were those who had just planted a bomb....

    And yes, it was a country worthy of tourism. Sad.
    Absolutely. It has some amazingly tall ancient buildings still in use for a start.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,396
    Scott_P said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Quite a good piece from David Davis

    You had me up until David Davis

    "We are the world’s fifth biggest economy. We are a permanent member of the UN Security Council. We are a leading member of Nato, of the Commonwealth, and of the G7. We are a member of the powerful Five Eyes intelligence network. We owe none of these things to the EU. Being a member of the EU does not diminish any of these things. We are the nation of Shakespeare and Newton, of Faraday and Rutherford, of Gladstone and Churchill. Our language is spoken by 1.5 billion people and is the international standard for science, engineering, medicine, on the internet, in modern film and media, in commerce and law. We have more reach and reputation and influence than any country of 60 million has a right to expect.

    And the Remain LEAVE team want us to choose between being Norway and Switzerland?"
    Nah. The original piece worked well. Yours is just incoherent garbage.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I notice Trump mentioned problems with TSA at the end of his speech.

    Who was forensically probing this question two days ago?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrCyda5A7w

    This can't be right. It is only hours since I bet on Ernst.
    There are a lot of dots joining up that Trump is mentioning in his recent speeches...

    Planes being serviced from scrapyards. (A10s for example)
    Border Security (who is the Chair of Border and Maritime Security Subcommittee?)
    The lawyer who vetted Palin - now tasked with vetting Trump's Veep - regretting Palin had no military or foreign policy experience.
    Women Pilots, and Veterans (Who has just won a battle to permit women WW2 veterans to be buried in Arlington? The first US woman fighter-pilot combat veteran, McSally)
    TSA (see below)

    What better masterstroke could Trump play than:-

    "OK, here's the story. Forget Crooked Hillary. Let me introduce to you, the woman who I hope and pray will one day be your first woman president. It's my privilege to introduce to you, my running mate, Martha McSally..."
    It is worth remembering that - while border security and the wall get all the press - the vast majority of illegal aliens in the US are there by the simple expedient of overstaying their tourist visa.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    Oh...

    "Ed Miliband is considering a role in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet, the Telegraph understands."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/27/ed-miliband-is-considering-a-return-to-labours-shadow-cabinet/

    That will restore Labours fortunes then! Lol
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    kjohnw said:

    With Cameron now admitting that uk could thrive outside EU (see express front page tomorrow) does make you wonder if he is preparing the ground for losing. Private polling must not be good

    I have no idea what game he is playing.

    Perhaps he wants out but thinks that he had to fight a hard fight to make it look like he wanted to remain so that it would be easier to negotiate an exit.

    Perhaps he thinks he's gone to far on the doom?

    Who knows what he believes today.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,414
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I notice Trump mentioned problems with TSA at the end of his speech.

    Who was forensically probing this question two days ago?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrCyda5A7w

    This can't be right. It is only hours since I bet on Ernst.
    There are a lot of dots joining up that Trump is mentioning in his recent speeches...

    Planes being serviced from scrapyards. (A10s for example)
    Border Security (who is the Chair of Border and Maritime Security Subcommittee?)
    The lawyer who vetted Palin - now tasked with vetting Trump's Veep - regretting Palin had no military or foreign policy experience.
    Women Pilots, and Veterans (Who has just won a battle to permit women WW2 veterans to be buried in Arlington? The first US woman fighter-pilot combat veteran, McSally)
    TSA (see below)

    What better masterstroke could Trump play than:-

    "OK, here's the story. Forget Crooked Hillary. Let me introduce to you, the woman who I hope and pray will one day be your first woman president. It's my privilege to introduce to you, my running mate, Martha McSally..."
    Hmm. I'm looking at the BF odds now.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,214
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I notice Trump mentioned problems with TSA at the end of his speech.

    Who was forensically probing this question two days ago?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrCyda5A7w

    This can't be right. It is only hours since I bet on Ernst.
    There are a lot of dots joining up that Trump is mentioning in his recent speeches...
    Very good points. She's got to be in his top two based on that.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,414

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    I notice Trump mentioned problems with TSA at the end of his speech.

    Who was forensically probing this question two days ago?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrCyda5A7w

    This can't be right. It is only hours since I bet on Ernst.
    There are a lot of dots joining up that Trump is mentioning in his recent speeches...
    Very good points. She's got to be in his top two based on that.
    Still you can't beat Jeb Bush at 560/1.

    On that note, I'm away to bed.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    McSally is also playing hard to get. "I want to see what kind of a man he is first."

    If that isn't a red-rag to a man like Trump to go into charm overdrive to win her, well I'm a Dutchman...
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    David Davis
    To read the full transcript of my speech setting out the economic case for #Brexit, see: https://t.co/fMLIZ29dYh
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306
    Quiet tonight! One presumes everyone is out on the lash ;)
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    Scott_P said:

    I wonder where it could be held? Somewhere where a good Olympics were held?

    Moscow?
    Can you think of another? Moscow could be a tad embarrassing given that there will be no home competitors.
    Paris? They wouldn't need an Olympic cauldron for the flame, they could get a few strikers to set fire to some tyres?
    Yemen could probably do with a boost to its tourism.
    That'd make the 100 meters exciting!
    When I used to go to Yemen - back 20 years ago - it was said the only people who ran in that country were those who had just planted a bomb....

    And yes, it was a country worthy of tourism. Sad.
    Absolutely. It has some amazingly tall ancient buildings still in use for a start.
    The mud skyscrapers are fun, but the truly cool stuff is at the Sabean sites. Mareb is well known, but the Wadi Jawf holds astonishing surprises, such as Baraqish.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Playing back the Newsnight politics parts. Rees Mogg usual polite brilliance - I wonder how he is regarded by most voters? Chris Patten came across (to me) as just a nasty slug in the earlier interview.

    Are there any non-sluggish europhile grandees?

    Heath, Pym, Prior, Heseltine, Clarke, Patton, Mandelson, Blai..

    No, clearly not.
    Amazing how full of personal bile they all are. We have had Heseltine's splenetic attack on Boris and now fatty patty's. Just playing the man and not the ball.
    As opposed to this site, where no one ever does that :lol:
    There has been a lot of that from REMAINers on here VS just one, SeanT, on the LEAVE side. But SeanT's speeches are a long standing tradition on here.
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    RodCrosby said:

    McSally is also playing hard to get. "I want to see what kind of a man he is first."

    If that isn't a red-rag to a man like Trump to go into charm overdrive to win her, well I'm a Dutchman...

    It's difficult to deny Rod Crosby's logic but rather surprisingly, even at this relatively late stage, the Betfair Exchange is the only place where it's possible to back Col. McSally, despite the various bookies offering any number of seemingly total no-hopers.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Alistair said:

    That's why I am so puzzled by playing the pension card so early by Cameron, loads of time for rebuttal
    They probably wanted to use the "independent" analysis from the treasury
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Best price for IN 1/6 , interestingly you can back it at 2/9 on betfair for £76k, somebody is very happy to lay at that price. Very strange market, completely at odds with the polls which favour Remain but are inconsistent. The behaviour in the Remain camp suggests concern.

    Egg on an awful lot of faces regardless of the outcome.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,200
    RobD said:

    Quiet tonight! One presumes everyone is out on the lash ;)

    The leave supporters are busy answering online polls.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,182
    I suspect Osborne going up against Andrew Neil is less about the EU referendum and more about the Tory leadership contest to come. It contrasts with Boris not going up against Andrew Neil.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,182
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    I think Trump is playing a smarter game on defence. He sees how much of a fiscal black hole it is for the US and wants NATO countries to stop free-riding on US defence capability. The same is true for a lot of the overseas bases, I expect that the Japanese and Korean governments are going to get a fairly hefty annual invoice for being their first line of defence against Chinese aggression.

    That's not very smart all, though. The US is not in Japan, Korea or elsewhere to protect local interests, but to protect US ones.

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Best price for IN 1/6 , interestingly you can back it at 2/9 on betfair for £76k, somebody is very happy to lay at that price. Very strange market, completely at odds with the polls which favour Remain but are inconsistent. The behaviour in the Remain camp suggests concern.

    Egg on an awful lot of faces regardless of the outcome.

    The price is pretty easy to understand regardless of whether you believe the phone polls or the online polls are correct.

    The trend of both polls is basically static with no movement towards either remain or leave in stark contrast to the Scottish independence referendum where there was a clear trend towards yes.

    If the phone polls are correct then it is a Remain blowout absolutely no problem if anything the price should be shorter. If the online polls are correct then it requires just a very modest amount of Swing back with the don't knows Breaking for the status quo for a firm Remain win.
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    david_kendrick1david_kendrick1 Posts: 325
    edited May 2016
    Brexit supporters make some 'best guesses' about what they think will be the nett effect of leaving will be in 5 or 10 years time.

    Have you ever heard a 'Remainer' describing the sunny uplands that the EU will be representing over the next 10 years?
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    I think Trump is playing a smarter game on defence. He sees how much of a fiscal black hole it is for the US and wants NATO countries to stop free-riding on US defence capability. The same is true for a lot of the overseas bases, I expect that the Japanese and Korean governments are going to get a fairly hefty annual invoice for being their first line of defence against Chinese aggression.

    That's not very smart all, though. The US is not in Japan, Korea or elsewhere to protect local interests, but to protect US ones.

    But they also protect Japanese, Korean and elsewhere interests in passing, why should they get it for free without contributing to the cost ?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ave_it said:

    #trump

    We need him here.

    A man of the people

    Decent values for decent people

    Sadly, I think Trump is likely to dismantle NATO, so he's probably more of a threat to the UK than the EU right now.
    I think Trump is playing a smarter game on defence. He sees how much of a fiscal black hole it is for the US and wants NATO countries to stop free-riding on US defence capability. The same is true for a lot of the overseas bases, I expect that the Japanese and Korean governments are going to get a fairly hefty annual invoice for being their first line of defence against Chinese aggression.

    That's not very smart all, though. The US is not in Japan, Korea or elsewhere to protect local interests, but to protect US ones.

    Yes, and the attraction of US-provided defence is precisely that it is cheap. If Trump makes it expensive there's no reason why those countries, and those in Europe, won't just spend the extra money on their own forces. Which will lead to greatly diminished US influence.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Alistair said:

    If the phone polls are correct then it is a Remain blowout absolutely no problem if anything the price should be shorter. If the online polls are correct then it requires just a very modest amount of Swing back with the don't knows Breaking for the status quo for a firm Remain win.

    I dont think we can even say that, with differential turnout being so critical. Even if the phone polls are right, but on the day the far more zealous Leavers turn out 2:1 compared to the apathetic Remainers, the polls will have been right, but looking (once more) at the wrong sample.

    I am yet to be convinced that either Phone or Online polls are in any way representative of the sample that matters, ie. those that ACTUALLY turn out on the day, and vote.

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