Mr T pointed out something on the last thread that is important. Cameron lied brazenly about being open to persuasion if he didn't get a reasonable re-negotiation. Politicians lie, that isn't the problem. It's the fact that he believes the British public are so gullible they can be fed any bullshit and will believe it.
That's the real insult. World War Three can only be averted by Herr Juncker. The Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 was defused by the EU ... oops. the Common Market as it was then ... not by the Septics.
You'll all lose £4300 by 2030 even when we can't accurately forecast the Deficit a year ahead. It's all guff but the public don't have the brain cells of we Old Etonians. I'd be rather good at politics, even if I say so myself I say so myself, which I do.
I forgive the Scotts of this world and many of the LDs - they are believers in a United States of Europe, and any means of achieving this is fine (but don't mention that fact if you can avoid it).
Let's be honest, what the Establishment wants, the Establishment gets generally, and the Establishment believes in the Euro dream. That's why I've always thought that Remain will win.
Accept defeat if it happens, and don't whinge when the EU rushes on towards full union, which it will. Life isn't always fair. If Remain win, I'll watch quietly and make the best of it. Voting at GEs was a drag anyway so why not leave it all to our European betters and masters?
And if you are for Leave and told you are (a) racist, (b) stupid, or (c) hurting others - possibly all 3. Why would you tell anyone?
Difference is: While in the media or in interviews Remain may broadcast messages that are hyperbolic, actually on the whole they haven't been shouting a) b) or c) at individuals they encounter on the doorstep or in the street. While Leave campaigners are, how shall I put in, far less diffident in person.
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Mr T pointed out something on the last thread that is important. Cameron lied brazenly about being open to persuasion if he didn't get a reasonable re-negotiation. Politicians lie, that isn't the problem. It's the fact that he believes the British public are so gullible they can be fed any bullshit and will believe it.
That's the real insult. World War Three can only be averted by Herr Juncker. The Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 was defused by the EU ... oops. the Common Market as it was then ... not by the Septics.
You'll all lose £4300 by 2030 even when we can't accurately forecast the Deficit a year ahead. It's all guff but the public don't have the brain cells of we Old Etonians. I'd be rather good at politics, even if I say so myself I say so myself, which I do.
I forgive the Scotts of this world and many of the LDs - they are believers in a United States of Europe, and any means of achieving this is fine (but don't mention that fact if you can avoid it).
Let's be honest, what the Establishment wants, the Establishment gets generally, and the Establishment believes in the Euro dream. That's why I've always thought that Remain will win.
Accept defeat if it happens, and don't whinge when the EU rushes on towards full union, which it will. Life isn't always fair. If Remain win, I'll watch quietly and make the best of it. Voting at GEs was a drag anyway so why not leave it all to our European betters and masters?
And if you are for Leave and told you are (a) racist, (b) stupid, or (c) hurting others - possibly all 3. Why would you tell anyone?
Difference is: While in the media or in interviews Remain may broadcast messages that are hyperbolic, actually on the whole they haven't been shouting a) b) or c) at individuals they encounter on the doorstep or in the street. While Leave campaigners are, how shall I put in, far less diffident in person.