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edited May 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » For millions the referendum will be over next weekend. Postal voting starts next Saturday

Anything upto a quarter of the votes cast in the referendum will be by post and the time-table stipulated by the Electoral Commission states that ballot packs to postal voters should start to go out on Monday. Initially those who currently live overseas will be mailed but the plan is that UK-based postal voters will start getting their ballots by the weekend.

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited May 2016
    Let the battle commence. I will post my vote by the end of the month.

    Oh, and first like REMAIN.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    Second like REMAIN
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Like counting down to christmas waiting for the vote to show up :D
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    Received my poll card for EUref today
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Spoke to Daniel Hannan on the Vote Leave stall in Manchester City Centre earlier. A very charming man.

    I'm not sure Manchester City Centre is the best place to be on a Saturday, it's a mad place at the moment, with massive building works and road closures etc. Also the weather today is absolutely atrocious.

    I shall be WALKING to my local Polling Station on 23rd June to VOTE LEAVE.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    The NRA has endorsed the Donald ;)
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    The NRA has endorsed the Donald ;)

    I was on tenterhooks !
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    Pulpstar said:

    The NRA has endorsed the Donald ;)

    "Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are!"
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Run by Virgin Trains currently (same company wot run the West Coast).
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Run by Virgin Trains currently (same company wot run the West Coast).
    I travel on it quite regularly (to Leeds and to Newark) and I have no complaints at all. The staff are wonderful, I have never been on a train that is late and they dish out free whisky in liberal but not stupid quantities. Their fares, providing you book in advance, are more than reasonable (£32 First Class from Hassocks to Newark, with a free lunch and refreshments thrown in).

    An excellent railway.
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    A few facts from GE 2015 on postal voting a year ago.
    Across England, Scotland and Wales, the proportion of electors who chose to vote by post was 16.9%.
    86.0% of people who were sent a postal ballot pack voted, compared with 63.5% of those who were entitled to vote at a polling station.
    A total of 46.4 million people were registered to vote in the UK Parliamentary elections on 7 May 2015. Some 30.8 million votes were included in the count, representing an overall turnout of 66.4%.
    Electoral Commission Report on the administration of the 7 May 2015 elections
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Run by Virgin Trains currently (same company wot run the West Coast).
    I travel on it quite regularly (to Leeds and to Newark) and I have no complaints at all. The staff are wonderful, I have never been on a train that is late and they dish out free whisky in liberal but not stupid quantities. Their fares, providing you book in advance, are more than reasonable (£32 First Class from Hassocks to Newark, with a free lunch and refreshments thrown in).

    An excellent railway.
    Virign is fine. The worry comes for people who oft use the railways when First are the chosen franchise winners !
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Run by Virgin Trains currently (same company wot run the West Coast).
    That's how competition works.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Run by Virgin Trains currently (same company wot run the West Coast).
    That's how competition works.
    Different set of destinations (although both serve Edinburgh, but via different routes).
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    For cricket fans - sun now shining in the centre of Leeds. I'm just about to risk heading outside.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Run by Virgin Trains currently (same company wot run the West Coast).
    That's how competition works.
    Different set of destinations (although both serve Edinburgh, but via different routes).
    But only one operator between London and Scotland despite there being two routes.

    There should be a rule to stop this. Likewise with the two routes from Birmingham to London or Exeter to London.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,724
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Yes and it was very well liked by my friend who used it at that time.
    "Directly Operated Railways took over the East Coast line four years ago, when National Express controversially handed it back to the Government. Its turnover for the year to April rose 4.2% to £693.8 million, as ticket sales, catering and parking fees ticked up, generating that £208.7 million profit."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalised-east-coast-rail-line-returns-209m-to-taxpayers-8866157.html
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    I voted by post for the first time in Londons mayoral elections. Just shoved the envelope into a post box and danced away. I can't say that it was a satisfactory way to vote, though. No frisson of excitement or sense of achievement. Nothing, nada, bugger all!

    Oh well, next time I'll send my personal robot with my card. Gotta make them see I mean business.
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    Anyone know what the latest stats are on Voter Registration are?

    The Govt site indicates that currently registration is running at 60,000 a day - but does that include local govt registartions?

    Last week a quote from Elect Commission on radio was that 7.5m were not yet registered and that was 15% of the electorate. Which would indicate an electorate of 50m.

    At GE15 there were 46.4m registered but since then we have had the new registration per person fully deployed.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Yes and it was very well liked by my friend who used it at that time.
    "Directly Operated Railways took over the East Coast line four years ago, when National Express controversially handed it back to the Government. Its turnover for the year to April rose 4.2% to £693.8 million, as ticket sales, catering and parking fees ticked up, generating that £208.7 million profit."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalised-east-coast-rail-line-returns-209m-to-taxpayers-8866157.html
    I thought so. But Sunil avoided answering the question.
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    On June 7th (deadline for reg) could we have 1million fewer voters registered than GE15 , due to the new registration by individual voter rules etc?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    On June 7th (deadline for reg) could we have 1million fewer voters registered than GE15 , due to the new registration by individual voter rules etc?

    Good! That will shake the lazy buggers up to register and participate.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Yes and it was very well liked by my friend who used it at that time.
    "Directly Operated Railways took over the East Coast line four years ago, when National Express controversially handed it back to the Government. Its turnover for the year to April rose 4.2% to £693.8 million, as ticket sales, catering and parking fees ticked up, generating that £208.7 million profit."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalised-east-coast-rail-line-returns-209m-to-taxpayers-8866157.html
    Does your friend dislike the service now, Mr. Song? If so why? Personally I can't fault it.

    Mind you I can remember the days of the dining car under BR, real kippers for breakfast served by a chap in a white jacket, and brown Windsor Soup followed by roast lamb with all the trimmings for lunch and, on some services, a separate wine waiter. ut those days are never coming back.
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    How important could Postal votes be?
    If electorate down to 45.4m and turnout overall 59% but same number of postal voters (5.25m) vote in referendum then the PVs would be 19.4% of the votes cast.
    On same basis if turnout 54% then PVs = 21.2% of votes cast.
    So PVs will be important but may be not massively so unless turnout drops in the level of Council or European elections.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Two pieces:
    1.
    https://twitter.com/politico/status/734024715849846784
    Trump Rising.
    Hillary sinking.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I still think postal votes should be far harder to get, but there we are.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Good afternoon from headingley! Weather please behave!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    F1: Renault have only two upgraded engines for Monaco, only one per team (one each for Renault and Red Bull).

    I'd guess Magnussen will get the Renault one. Probably Ricciardo (if only on seniority) but if Verstappen gets it, the Aussie won't be happy.

    Outside chance of Red Bull winning in Monaco (though the odds don't tempt me).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    edited May 2016
    MikeK said:

    Two pieces:
    1.
    https://twitter.com/politico/status/734024715849846784
    Trump Rising.
    Hillary sinking.

    Hillary still ahead overall for now though. The RCP average this afternoon has it Hillary 45.8 Trump 42.7 and Hillary 227 Trump 143 in the EC
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
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    My polling card has come through too.
    I will walk round to the polling station when I get home from work on the 23rd and vote LEAVE.
    Then I will start digging an air raid shelter in case Brexit wins.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Golden Arm Ali got a wicket...bowls an absolute pie and the batsman manages to chop it onto his own stumps.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Mr. Pubgoer, surely a nuclear bunker is the minimum requirement?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    Didn't we nationalise the East Coast network ?
    Yes and it was very well liked by my friend who used it at that time.
    "Directly Operated Railways took over the East Coast line four years ago, when National Express controversially handed it back to the Government. Its turnover for the year to April rose 4.2% to £693.8 million, as ticket sales, catering and parking fees ticked up, generating that £208.7 million profit."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nationalised-east-coast-rail-line-returns-209m-to-taxpayers-8866157.html
    Does your friend dislike the service now, Mr. Song? If so why? Personally I can't fault it.

    Mind you I can remember the days of the dining car under BR, real kippers for breakfast served by a chap in a white jacket, and brown Windsor Soup followed by roast lamb with all the trimmings for lunch and, on some services, a separate wine waiter. ut those days are never coming back.
    Were you on an expense account in those days HL ?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Mr. Pubgoer, surely a nuclear bunker is the minimum requirement?

    And must-have C Rations - Where can I buy c-rations or k-rations? http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=40339
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    Four down!
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    Mr. Pubgoer, surely a nuclear bunker is the minimum requirement?

    I'd better dig for a bit longer then.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127
    When was the last time George Osborne pretended to do the job he's getting paid for ?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Mr. Pubgoer, indeed, comrade.

    Miss Plato, some say Fallout 4 is also known as Brexit Simulator 2016 :p

    Mind you, if The 100 is right, I for one welcome our frisky lesbian overlords. Overladies?

    [Title reminds me The Ten Thousand].
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127

    Mr. Pubgoer, surely a nuclear bunker is the minimum requirement?

    I'd better dig for a bit longer then.
    Are you the first born in your family ?

    If so then nothing can save you from Brexit.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Is Virgin the Dutch or French national railway?
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    And German State Railways: Arriva Trains & Buses, Chiltern Railways, English-Welsh- Scottish Railways (UK rail freight monopoly), joint operator of London Overground.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Is Virgin the Dutch or French national railway?
    No.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    I'm tempted to do what that Montgomeryshire voter did and draw a penis in the right box.

    That way I can vote remain and let them know how awful I think their campaign and general behaviour has been at the same time.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    perdix said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    And German State Railways: Arriva Trains & Buses, Chiltern Railways, English-Welsh- Scottish Railways (UK rail freight monopoly), joint operator of London Overground.

    Actually freight is the one area where there is some real competition. Freightliner (American owned), GBRf and various other operators are also involved. All a bit buggered by the coal fired power stations shutting down mind.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    edited May 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    Congratulations on creating the argument for Leave most likely to to convince people to vote Remain.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    edited May 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Is Virgin the Dutch or French national railway?
    Not many virgins in either of those countries if national stereotypes are to be believed :wink:
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Attention all swivel eyed Brexiters. TTIP poses no threat to the NHS.
    http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/theres-no-basis-claims-nhs-threat-ttip/
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    rcs1000 said:

    Four down!

    Keep up....5 down...
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Is Virgin the Dutch or French national railway?
    No.
    It was a rhetorical question ...
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    Congratulations on creating the argument for Leave most likely to to convince people to vote Remain.
    I've still got renationalisation of the electricity industry to throw into the mix too.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 710
    Paddy Power now offering 4/1 against Brexit. I've had a cheeky tenner on that.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    Sri Lanka batting almost as badly second time around. This is surely the worst batting performance at Headingley since West Indies in 2000, and at least they had the excuse that Andrew Caddick was in one of his funny moods. It's even worse than England 2009.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    edited May 2016
    Miss Plato, there's an anecdote of Portillo when campaigning some years ago. He wandered through some wet cement in front of the house by mistake, and when the homeowner answered he asked them to vote Labour, then ran off.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196
    Worth noting that the two Virgin franchises are in partnership with Stagecoach. Virgin owns 51% of the West Coast franchise but only 10% of the East Coast franchise.

    I personally think the franchising model works quite well.The problem on the East Coast is that the DfT took the biggest offer on premiums and on two occasions the operator went bust. I think there are new rules in place that stop companies walking away when they've overstretched themeelves. Personally, I think National Express should have been stripped of their other franchise (c2c) when they walked away from East Coast.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    Gordon Brown gave a key speech today arguing the Labour case for Remain. The BBC website seems to have ignored it.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127
    NeilVW said:

    Paddy Power now offering 4/1 against Brexit. I've had a cheeky tenner on that.

    ' Paddy Power Plc “paid out five figures” in winnings to gamblers who bet that Greece will back a July 5 austerity referendum that may seal the nation’s future as part of the euro region.

    “Despite some polls suggesting it’s neck and neck, over the last few days we’ve seen enough to be convinced,” Paddy Power, Ireland’s largest bookmaker, said in an e-mail in Dublin on Wednesday. ‘‘In a race with two potential outcomes we’ve seen over 85 percent of money go one way and that’s massive.’’ '

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/198777/article/ekathimerini/news/paddy-power-pays-out-early-on-greece-voting-yes-in-referendum

    Actual result:

    Yes 39%
    No 61%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_bailout_referendum,_2015

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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,420
    ydoethur said:

    Sri Lanka batting almost as badly second time around. This is surely the worst batting performance at Headingley since West Indies in 2000, and at least they had the excuse that Andrew Caddick was in one of his funny moods. It's even worse than England 2009.

    To be fair, atmospheric conditions are extremely bowler-friendly, particularly when you have someone like Anderson in your team.

    Absent Bairstow and Hales, it's not as if England's other nine did all that well.
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    Mr. Pubgoer, surely a nuclear bunker is the minimum requirement?

    I'd better dig for a bit longer then.
    Are you the first born in your family ?

    If so then nothing can save you from Brexit.
    No, I'm the youngest of the 3 siblings.
    The other two will I guess be firm Remainers.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,420

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    Sometimes private rail operators are OK...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36349484
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    edited May 2016

    Gordon Brown gave a key speech today arguing the Labour case for Remain. The BBC website seems to have ignored it.

    The BBC's efforts to help remain win leaves no depths unplumbed!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Mr. Pubgoer, they do say younger brothers tend to be more intelligent.
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    Mr. Pubgoer, surely a nuclear bunker is the minimum requirement?

    And must-have C Rations - Where can I buy c-rations or k-rations? http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=40339
    I've been stocking up on Fray Bentos pies instead.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Mr. Doethur, are you saying the prospect of making Gordon Brown smile if we Remain may prompt people to vote Leave? :p
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    When was the last time George Osborne pretended to do the job he's getting paid for ?
    2001?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
    I get the feeling, from what I've read, that things were OK in London and on long distance intercity lines in the time of the Bob Reids. Which is all most journalists, e.g. Wolmar and even Wragg, would know much about.

    For 90% of us who didn't use these services and had to contend with Sprinters, rail buses, random cancellations, damaged and dirty seats, mouldy sandwiches and cold coffee and tea, privatised railways are a great improvement.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196

    Sometimes private rail operators are OK...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36349484

    So long as they don't tamper with the TPWS and AWS!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    Mr. Doethur, are you saying the prospect of making Gordon Brown smile if we Remain may prompt people to vote Leave? :p

    Well, it's one thought. It would be something that might sway me :wink:

    I was thinking more though of his brilliant record in destroying everything he touched...a kind of opposite of Midas.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
    Correlation does not prove causation. It's likely that much of that increase would have happened anyway. The change in work patterns means that a lot of people commute to work by train. Furthermore, a lot of the rolling stock upgrades would have happened anyway, partly because of EU regulations on slam door stock. So, while I don't pine for the days of British Rail, I don't think the growth in usage can be entirely attributed to privatization.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
    I get the feeling, from what I've read, that things were OK in London and on long distance intercity lines in the time of the Bob Reids. Which is all most journalists, e.g. Wolmar and even Wragg, would know much about.

    For 90% of us who didn't use these services and had to contend with Sprinters, rail buses, random cancellations, damaged and dirty seats, mouldy sandwiches and cold coffee and tea, privatised railways are a great improvement.
    On Northern we've still got Sprinters and rail buses! After how many years of privatisation?

    And the 125s introduced by BR in the 70s are still operating plenty of intercity services.

    Every time they get a new colour scheme mug passengers think they are on a brand new train.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    And Nelson strikes again. 111-7.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MikeK said:

    I voted by post for the first time in Londons mayoral elections. Just shoved the envelope into a post box and danced away. I can't say that it was a satisfactory way to vote, though. No frisson of excitement or sense of achievement. Nothing, nada, bugger all!

    Oh well, next time I'll send my personal robot with my card. Gotta make them see I mean business.

    I am in complete agreement, I voted by post for the Holyrood election and it was crap - felt nothing like voting properly.

    Postal voting should be banned, if old people want to vote they can get off their arse and go to the Polling station like a young person.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    edited May 2016

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
    I get the feeling, from what I've read, that things were OK in London and on long distance intercity lines in the time of the Bob Reids. Which is all most journalists, e.g. Wolmar and even Wragg, would know much about.

    For 90% of us who didn't use these services and had to contend with Sprinters, rail buses, random cancellations, damaged and dirty seats, mouldy sandwiches and cold coffee and tea, privatised railways are a great improvement.
    On Northern we've still got Sprinters and rail buses! After how many years of privatisation?

    And the 125s introduced by BR in the 70s are still operating plenty of intercity services.

    Every time they get a new colour scheme mug passengers think they are on a brand new train.
    I travelled on some of that old stock from Inverness to Newcastle last year. Quite funny to see how few people knew how to operate slam doors.

    I didn't realise anywhere still used Sprinters. I though they'd been replaced by 158s. Do the Isle of Wight still use those 1930s underground stock?

    I also thought railbuses had been condemned. If not, that's pretty poor given their known dangers.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,676
    Alistair said:

    MikeK said:

    I voted by post for the first time in Londons mayoral elections. Just shoved the envelope into a post box and danced away. I can't say that it was a satisfactory way to vote, though. No frisson of excitement or sense of achievement. Nothing, nada, bugger all!

    Oh well, next time I'll send my personal robot with my card. Gotta make them see I mean business.

    I am in complete agreement, I voted by post for the Holyrood election and it was crap - felt nothing like voting properly.

    Postal voting should be banned, if old people want to vote they can get off their arse and go to the Polling station like a young person.
    Yes, but what about dead people and those who don't really exist? How will they be able to vote?
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Voting should be as easy as possible. People should be able to vote online or from their phone if they want as long as it can be made secure. And it would be hard to make it more insecure than the current system.
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    VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
    I'd advise they look up old episodes of Not the Nine O'Clock News.

    Here's a free sample:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-U9nL9Ios
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    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
    Is that because most rail users started using the railways after mid 90s?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196
    ydoethur said:

    Do the Isle of Wight still use those 1930s underground stock?

    I also thought railbuses had been condemned. If not, that's pretty poor given their known dangers.

    They're looking at acquiring better underground stock, but I believe there are gauge limitations that mean that they can't use more regular stock.

    The Pacers should be gone by 2020. There are changes to accessibility regulations that mean all stock needs to have an accessible toilet (if it has a toilet) by then. Which is why the new trains on the Great Western Main Line are needed by then - the HSTs don't meet the new rules.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,886
    I'm going to walk to the polling station on 23rd June... So that I can savor the moment I get to pull the plug on Cameron and Osborne.
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    VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412
    Alistair said:

    MikeK said:

    I voted by post for the first time in Londons mayoral elections. Just shoved the envelope into a post box and danced away. I can't say that it was a satisfactory way to vote, though. No frisson of excitement or sense of achievement. Nothing, nada, bugger all!

    Oh well, next time I'll send my personal robot with my card. Gotta make them see I mean business.

    I am in complete agreement, I voted by post for the Holyrood election and it was crap - felt nothing like voting properly.

    Postal voting should be banned, if old people want to vote they can get off their arse and go to the Polling station like a young person.
    Also, postal voting has effectively ended the secret ballot.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Voting should be as easy as possible. People should be able to vote online or from their phone if they want as long as it can be made secure.

    It can't.
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    Mr. Pubgoer, surely a nuclear bunker is the minimum requirement?

    And must-have C Rations - Where can I buy c-rations or k-rations? http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=40339
    I've been stocking up on Fray Bentos pies instead.
    I remember the panics over the millenium bug. Propagated by tech companies wanting to sell more stuff.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127

    Alistair said:

    MikeK said:

    I voted by post for the first time in Londons mayoral elections. Just shoved the envelope into a post box and danced away. I can't say that it was a satisfactory way to vote, though. No frisson of excitement or sense of achievement. Nothing, nada, bugger all!

    Oh well, next time I'll send my personal robot with my card. Gotta make them see I mean business.

    I am in complete agreement, I voted by post for the Holyrood election and it was crap - felt nothing like voting properly.

    Postal voting should be banned, if old people want to vote they can get off their arse and go to the Polling station like a young person.
    Also, postal voting has effectively ended the secret ballot.
    For which 'community leaders' are very grateful.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Voting should be as easy as possible. People should be able to vote online or from their phone if they want as long as it can be made secure. And it would be hard to make it more insecure than the current system.

    "as long as it can be made secure"

    That would be the problem.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Mr. Gin, you think Leave will win?

    Mr. Betting, forget ye not the swine flu pandemic. Or the plague of bird flu.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Just to the left of there. It's been awesome entertainment all day long!
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,420
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    Second like REMAIN

    Do you think the trains will run better if we left the EU ?
    EU rules prevent us re-nationalising.
    That's not strictly true: what they prevent is us nationalising under the old BR model.
    At the moment we have euro-nationalisation, with our trains operated by the Dutch and French national railways.
    Presumably that would still be the case post-Brexit.
    Yes, until a future Labour government chooses to renationalise the network. Leave would give us the option.
    It's surprising how many people forget just how awful British Rail was. Only half as many passenger-miles were travelled under the Age of the Train as are today, and with good reason.
    I get the feeling, from what I've read, that things were OK in London and on long distance intercity lines in the time of the Bob Reids. Which is all most journalists, e.g. Wolmar and even Wragg, would know much about.

    For 90% of us who didn't use these services and had to contend with Sprinters, rail buses, random cancellations, damaged and dirty seats, mouldy sandwiches and cold coffee and tea, privatised railways are a great improvement.
    I seem to remember that London commuter trains crashed a lot in the 1980s.

    The privatised services are a bit of a mixed bag but customer service is generally hugely better, as are the physical trains (though too many pre-1990 units still exist), as are the stations. By contrast, on-the-day ticket prices for any distance are much higher than they were and ticketing in general is too complex unless you don't care about cost.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,886

    Mr. Gin, you think Leave will win?

    No, but at least I'll be able to hold my head up high and look myself in the mirror knowing I've done my best to boot out the Posh Boys.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,360
    Driest part of the day at Headingly fixed by the arrival of another pint.
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