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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,015

    On topic, it's not over until the Fat Lady sings.

    Which may not occur even once the result is known if Scotland is anything to go by!
  • RobbieBoxRobbieBox Posts: 28

    SeanT said:

    Technical question: I am registered for a postal vote. But I'd like to vote in person for LEAVE. To make my tiny mark, to register my protest against the TRAITORS who seem destined to win (even if they will lose the aftermath, horribly)

    Is it too late for me to ask for an on-the-day vote? Grateful for advice.

    Iirc You can take your postal vote and put it in the ballot box on the day.
    Yes, take your paperwork to any polling station in your local council area, show the staff there that you have a postal vote, show them the ballot paper with the official mark. Then go to the booth put your cross against your choice and put your ballot paper in the box in the usual way.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    stjohn said:

    Just two hours to go before Mourinho is appointed as Man Utd manager, supposedly.

    Hello top four finish, probably top two. Goodbye attacking, entertaining football.

    I give him two years maximum in the job, assuming the rumours are correct and he gets it.

    Peter,

    Do you think Man Utd are value for the Premiership at 15/2?
    PS Thanks for asking the question .... you've spurred me on to back them myself at 15/2 with SkyBET.
    Not one for me.

    ManU are more than a one season project.

    Chelsea or Man City in my opinion. I think Leicester (25/1) and West Ham (66/1) are both worth an ew on Skybet.
    Some might have said the same about Leicester. I think Chelsea will struggle to make the top three. Both Leicester and West Ham to finish between 6th and 10th imo.
    Leicester won the league by 10 points, and have rich owners with Champions League to offer signings. West Ham had a strong finish to the season too. Neither are nailed on but both offer value on these odds ew.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,098

    On topic, it's not over until the Fat Lady sings.

    It's not over until the Fat Liverpool Fan sings :lol:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,923
    You don't get Katherine Jenkins to do the National Anthem and looks what happens...tut tut...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36350092
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,089
    edited May 2016

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,132
    Mike's done a piece for the Observer

    Polls show Tory voters are pushing Britain towards staying in EU

    Latest phone surveys give Remain a comfortable lead, suggesting Conservatives are edging towards David Cameron over Boris Johnson

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-vote-mobile-online-polls-remain-ahead-leave
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,098
    Scott_P said:

    HYUFD said:

    Man U win 2-1

    Well, the fans won't have to travel far to get home...


    The Scottish Football Association has said it was "appalled" by scenes of disorder after Hibs' historic victory over Rangers in the Scottish Cup final.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36350220

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,078
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:



    This is a difficult one to prove one way or the other. I would point out that at around the same time that the railways were privatized the Tories introduced the fuel duty escalator. I read recently that some train operators are a bit worried about oil prices staying low for an extended period. So clearly they think the two could be connected.

    People always miss the most obvious way in which the EU helped screw up rail nationalisation.

    Undoubtedly nationalisation has been good for the railways but it could have been so much better. Each region could have been returned to private hands in the same way they had been run prior to nationalisation with a company responsible for everything including track and infrastructure. That would have removed the idiotic ability of a rail company to blame the infrastructure for their own mistakes.

    But the EU rules on vertical separation prevented that from happening and so led to the daft situation we now have of different companies jointly responsible for services on the same piece of line and blaming each other for failings.
    Do you mean 'nationalisation' or 'privatisation'?
    I meant privatisation but by the time I noticed I had made a mistake it was too late to change.

    A kinder person would of course have ignored my obvious faux pas but you always were a cruel man Robert. :-)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,098
    "He will make an excellent Europhile Drone!"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,046
    HYUFD said:

    @HYFUD - I hug a European every day (my wife).

    Doesn't mean either me or her feel obliged to vote for the legal and constitutional framework of the European Union.

    Perhaps the hug turns to a slap if you say you will be voting Leave!
    Nope. She is seriously considering a Leave vote.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    Scott_P said:

    HYUFD said:

    Man U win 2-1

    Well, the fans won't have to travel far to get home...


    The Scottish Football Association has said it was "appalled" by scenes of disorder after Hibs' historic victory over Rangers in the Scottish Cup final.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36350220

    The novelty here is that it would normally be the fans of one of the Old Firm teams getting shouted at for misbehaviour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,132
    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/733639648124272640
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,046

    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    Everything is brilliant for Remain.

    Everything is terminal for Leave.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,129
    In the Danish referendum, the polls weren't consistently against the pro-euro side till the 26th of November 2015. The referendum took place on the 3rd of December.

    I'm not saying this means Leave will win - the Remains leads may lengthen and become more consistent over time. But I don't think we can tell much from current polling.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/733639648124272640

    It's interesting that they are using BoJo as the face of out rather than Michael Gove who I imagine is more toxic to Labour ( and ironically probably less toxic to centrist Tories than BoJo)

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,132
    JonathanD said:

    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/733639648124272640

    It's interesting that they are using BoJo as the face of out rather than Michael Gove who I imagine is more toxic to Labour ( and ironically probably less toxic to centrist Tories than BoJo)

    I suspect people think Boris is more likely to be Tory Leader than Gove.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,046

    In the Danish referendum, the polls weren't consistently against the pro-euro side till the 26th of November 2015. The referendum took place on the 3rd of December.

    I'm not saying this means Leave will win - the Remains leads may lengthen and become more consistent over time. But I don't think we can tell much from current polling.

    Sssht. There's only one kind of narrative allowed on here.

    And that's a Remain slam-dunk.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Surely the massive increase in public investment in the railways that coincided with privatisation must be taken into account?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,747

    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/733639648124272640
    Ironic really as that's roughly what Watson did to the last three Labour leaders. It's just, because he's (1) utterly incompetent and (2) a complete knob, it's never quite happened for him. The best he's managed is being Jeremy Corbyn's stooge. I do hope he's enjoying it as much as such a loathsome person as he is deserves.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,015

    HYUFD said:

    @HYFUD - I hug a European every day (my wife).

    Doesn't mean either me or her feel obliged to vote for the legal and constitutional framework of the European Union.

    Perhaps the hug turns to a slap if you say you will be voting Leave!
    Nope. She is seriously considering a Leave vote.
    Sorry, I was talking about the campaigners this afternoon not your good lady!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,132
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/733639648124272640
    Ironic really as that's roughly what Watson did to the last three Labour leaders. It's just, because he's (1) utterly incompetent and (2) a complete knob, it's never quite happened for him. The best he's managed is being Jeremy Corbyn's stooge. I do hope he's enjoying it as much as such a loathsome person as he is deserves.
    Don't hold back, tell us what you really think about Tom Watson
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,015
    edited May 2016
    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    Polls tend to show 2015 Tory voters slightly more likely to vote Leave than present Tory voters, probably as a few of them have now shifted to UKIP. However I have long held the view Tory voters, not Labour voters, are the key to the referendum, Leave needs a clear majority of Tory voters to back Leave to win, if it is close or Remain slightly ahead, as with Opinium tonight, Remain should edge it
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,089
    edited May 2016

    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/733639648124272640
    A good ad. I wonder who did it?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,747

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    David Cameron’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU appears to be working as Conservative voters switch to the remain camp, the latest Opinium/Observer referendum poll suggests.

    With a month to go before voters decide whether Britain should stay in or leave the EU, Opinium puts remain four points ahead on 44%, with leave on 40% and 14% undecided. At the beginning of April, leave had a four-point lead.

    Remain now has a substantial lead among Conservative voters with 48% of Tory backers saying they want to stay in the EU, compared with 41% who want to leave.

    This is a considerable turnaround since the first Opinium/Observer referendum poll in early April, which showed 44% of Conservative voters in favour of leaving against 39% who backed staying in.

    Adam Drummond, of Opinium Research, which carried out an online poll of 2,008 adults between 17 and 19 May, said: “There does seem to have been some move towards staying in the EU, particularly given that ours is an online methodology which typically shows a closer race than polls conducted on the phone. The change comes mainly from Conservative voters who have moved from narrowly backing Brexit at the end of April to a large lead for remain.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/21/tory-eu-referendum-voters-switching-remain-opinium-observer-poll

    I imagine the reality that hit Paul Mason has finally hit Tory voters. If 'Leave' win the centrist leadership of Cameron & co will be replaced by the Tories now leading the OUT campaign and I suspect that's a deal breaker
    The very top of the Labour Party have been sharing this

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/733639648124272640
    Ironic really as that's roughly what Watson did to the last three Labour leaders. It's just, because he's (1) utterly incompetent and (2) a complete knob, it's never quite happened for him. The best he's managed is being Jeremy Corbyn's stooge. I do hope he's enjoying it as much as such a loathsome person as he is deserves.
    Don't hold back, tell us what you really think about Tom Watson
    I did try, but the keyboard melted :smiley:
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