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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961

    Eddie Howe is 33/1 to be the next Everton manager with publicity shy Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-specials/manager-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=1233867

    A first entry for Eagles in the PB 16-17 tax year TOTY compo.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLqxJy9uuaF3LdmQfFLUGxbnD9m0H8hoDyrAGm16aaE/edit#gid=0
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    Can I suggesy you engage snipers to shoot pedestrians gawping at their mobile phones in central London WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY ARE WALKING?
    We could have a whole thread on who needs be among the first against the wall when you become dictator. The George Carlin youtube skit on people who need to be killed is a good start and very very funny.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Pulpstar said:

    Eddie Howe is 33/1 to be the next Everton manager with publicity shy Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-specials/manager-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=1233867

    A first entry for Eagles in the PB 16-17 tax year TOTY compo.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLqxJy9uuaF3LdmQfFLUGxbnD9m0H8hoDyrAGm16aaE/edit#gid=0
    Jesus I thought you were joking with the tip list.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2016
    Oh, and I forgot: twenty lashes for people who stand on the platform in the way when you're trying to get off a tube or train.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Everton sack Roberto Martinez

    Van de Van de Boer de Ajax man incoming I assume.
    I've heard rumours that they might go for Eddie Howe.
    No way he leaves Bournemouth.

    He's an Everton fan. The new Everton shareholder has money that does make Everton a bit more attractive.
    Look into his history. He basically IS AFCB.

    I suppose. Plus nobody wants to work in Jürgen Klopp's shadow.

    I should charge for those comments of mine which tee up your slam dunks.
    For the first time in years, I'm actually feeling quiet confident about next season.

    Upgraded stadium, Klopp's stellar quality, hopefully champions league football and FSG supporting Klopp in the transfer market, I can feel it in my waters.
    I'm confident of the next season - after a bad start we'll struggle until December, sack Sam Allardyce hire another manager and survive on the last or penultimate day of the season.

    After all - it's worked for the last 4 years.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221
    taffys said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Speaking as a pure amateur on this topic, the trouble with any pensions system is three-fold:-

    1. It's long-term. People are not encouraged to think of the future. Everything is "now, now, now".

    2. Politicians will insist on meddling and changing the rules all the time. Most unfair. Punishes the sensible. Encourages cynicism and disincentivises long-term behaviour.

    3. People hugely underestimate how much they should be saving at every stage of their lives, even where they have money to save.

    No idea how to change this. The whole economy sometimes seems to be based around people spending money on tat rather than saving sensibly and only buying stuff they need and good stuff at that. Never mind the government: a period of sober austerity by people would be welcome IMO. They could spend a bit more money properly looking after their homes (a walk round many London streets will show the most awful neglect outside with some big F*** Off telly inside) and less on buying rags from Primark.

    And since I'm in a Victor Meldrew-ish mood, people really should take a bit of care over their front gardens. Greening and tidying them up a bit would do wonders for the environment and the rest of us wouldn't have to stare at eyesores.

    When I am Dictatoresse people will be expected to dress nicely in public ..... and not do their toilette on the tube, either.

    Can I suggesy you engage snipers to shoot pedestrians gawping at their mobile phones in central London WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY ARE WALKING?
    Yes, that too. And people taking pictures of everything instead of actually bloody well looking at the place they've got to and enjoying being there. People eating on the tube: a disgusting habit. Those stupid ballerina-style shoes some women (usually those with fat legs) insist on wearing and which makes them look as if they've gone out in their slippers. Oh - and those daft men's suits (skinny ones where the jacket doesn't fit and the man looks like a Victorian bank clerk wearing a suit that is too small) and trousers which are too short. Honestly, it ought to be made compulsory for people to look in a mirror before they leave the house, a rear view one in some people's cases.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Patrick said:

    Well said Cyclefree. The problem is that to encourage saving and a responsible attitude to providing for one's future requires the government to ensure savers get some return. Today they don't. Pensions and annuities are woeful because there is no return. There is no return because we are woefully overborrowed and can't let interest rates rise. It is moral hazard. To avoid systemic collapse we must protect the profligate and punish the thrifty. The whole basis of our economic model has been traduced. It won't end well.

    Excellent post.

    Imagine the ECB's negative interest rate policy. It isn't just discouraging sensible behaviour, it is destroying it.
    And the profligacy it is rewarding is coming home to roost. Banks are blowing money on all sorts of dodgy loans because keeping money on deposit is kryptonite.

    At least one huge european bank is struggling, if its latest bond issues are anything to go by.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961
    edited May 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    Eddie Howe is 33/1 to be the next Everton manager with publicity shy Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-specials/manager-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=1233867

    A first entry for Eagles in the PB 16-17 tax year TOTY compo.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLqxJy9uuaF3LdmQfFLUGxbnD9m0H8hoDyrAGm16aaE/edit#gid=0
    Jesus I thought you were joking with the tip list.
    I'm hoping to colour your entries green ^^;

    Or it could get ... expensive :p
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221

    Cyclefree said:

    And since I'm in a Victor Meldrew-ish mood, people really should take a bit of care over their front gardens. Greening and tidying them up a bit would do wonders for the environment and the rest of us wouldn't have to stare at eyesores.

    .

    Mum won Redbridge in Bloom last year for her front garden :)

    (I chipped in with some watering...occasionally :)
    Good for her!

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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited May 2016
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Cyclefree said:

    taffys said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Speaking as a pure amateur on this topic, the trouble with any pensions system is three-fold:-

    1. It's long-term. People are not encouraged to think of the future. Everything is "now, now, now".

    2. Politicians will insist on meddling and changing the rules all the time. Most unfair. Punishes the sensible. Encourages cynicism and disincentivises long-term behaviour.

    3. People hugely underestimate how much they should be saving at every stage of their lives, even where they have money to save.

    No idea how to change this. The whole economy sometimes seems to be based around people spending money on tat rather than saving sensibly and only buying stuff they need and good stuff at that. Never mind the government: a period of sober austerity by people would be welcome IMO. They could spend a bit more money properly looking after their homes (a walk round many London streets will show the most awful neglect outside with some big F*** Off telly inside) and less on buying rags from Primark.

    And since I'm in a Victor Meldrew-ish mood, people really should take a bit of care over their front gardens. Greening and tidying them up a bit would do wonders for the environment and the rest of us wouldn't have to stare at eyesores.

    When I am Dictatoresse people will be expected to dress nicely in public ..... and not do their toilette on the tube, either.

    Can I suggesy you engage snipers to shoot pedestrians gawping at their mobile phones in central London WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY ARE WALKING?
    Yes, that too. And people taking pictures of everything instead of actually bloody well looking at the place they've got to and enjoying being there. People eating on the tube: a disgusting habit. Those stupid ballerina-style shoes some women (usually those with fat legs) insist on wearing and which makes them look as if they've gone out in their slippers. Oh - and those daft men's suits (skinny ones where the jacket doesn't fit and the man looks like a Victorian bank clerk wearing a suit that is too small) and trousers which are too short. Honestly, it ought to be made compulsory for people to look in a mirror before they leave the house, a rear view one in some people's cases.
    If you can add neck level razor wire that pops up to decapitate speeding cyclists running red lights, you've got my vote.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457

    taffys said:

    Can I suggesy you engage snipers to shoot pedestrians gawping at their mobile phones in central London WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY ARE WALKING?

    And I'd like to put in a request for banning of tattoos on women, the banning of piercings on everyone, and a mandatory death-sentence for cyclists who jump lights when pedestrians are crossing.

    Now, for Generalissima Cyclefree's second week...
    Capital punishment for wilful littering too.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537
    edited May 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Eddie Howe is 33/1 to be the next Everton manager with publicity shy Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-specials/manager-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=1233867

    A first entry for Eagles in the PB 16-17 tax year TOTY compo.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLqxJy9uuaF3LdmQfFLUGxbnD9m0H8hoDyrAGm16aaE/edit#gid=0
    I see Mr Meeks is the only winning tipster on that sheet, with a nice 10/1 winner.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961

    Pulpstar said:

    Eddie Howe is 33/1 to be the next Everton manager with publicity shy Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-specials/manager-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=1233867

    A first entry for Eagles in the PB 16-17 tax year TOTY compo.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLqxJy9uuaF3LdmQfFLUGxbnD9m0H8hoDyrAGm16aaE/edit#gid=0
    I see Mr Meeks is the only winning tipster on that sheet, with a nice 10/1 winner.
    So far :)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    Who knew there were some many of Lefty feminist islamophobes out there.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    I think that's 392 who put Britain First gave their second preference to WEP...
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    taffys said:

    Can I suggesy you engage snipers to shoot pedestrians gawping at their mobile phones in central London WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY ARE WALKING?

    And I'd like to put in a request for banning of tattoos on women, the banning of piercings on everyone, and a mandatory death-sentence for cyclists who jump lights when pedestrians are crossing.

    Now, for Generalissima Cyclefree's second week...
    Capital punishment for wilful littering too.
    At a public meeting I said I would ban umbrellas, nobody ever died of rain but every year thousands are pushed in front of buses or have their eyes gouged out as people put umbrellas up.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Round 1 of Scottish Parliament Presiding Officer election

    MacIntosh 58
    Fraser 23
    Lamont 23
    Scott 17
    Smith 7


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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Surprisingly, the BBC talking about their favourite subject, the BBC.

    I see Maria Eagle is just as charmless as her sister.

    I'm tuning out of the EU referendum now because it's becoming so tedious but I do think Labour are getting away with far less scrutiny than they should. Alan Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn are virtually invisible and this referendum is going to depend on the "lazy" Labour vote turning out.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537
    Looking at the Eurovision markets France at 9/1 might be worth backing, probably £20 max.

    I don't expect Le Royaume-Uni to get a please don't go Brexit boost, so laying us should be profitable.

    Tonight's the second semi final, if Belarus make it to the final, their odds of 930/1 on Betfair should tumble.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Even just a breath of Brexit will cause holes to open up overnight in our streets.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36273548
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    taffys said:

    Patrick said:

    Well said Cyclefree. The problem is that to encourage saving and a responsible attitude to providing for one's future requires the government to ensure savers get some return. Today they don't. Pensions and annuities are woeful because there is no return. There is no return because we are woefully overborrowed and can't let interest rates rise. It is moral hazard. To avoid systemic collapse we must protect the profligate and punish the thrifty. The whole basis of our economic model has been traduced. It won't end well.

    Excellent post.

    Imagine the ECB's negative interest rate policy. It isn't just discouraging sensible behaviour, it is destroying it.
    And the profligacy it is rewarding is coming home to roost. Banks are blowing money on all sorts of dodgy loans because keeping money on deposit is kryptonite.

    At least one huge european bank is struggling, if its latest bond issues are anything to go by.
    The problem is that there are only two ways out of a debt crisis.

    One is inflation - we allow the real value of money to depreciate so that the nominal incomes of debtors rise and they are more easily able to service their debts.

    The other is default - debtors are made bankrupt and creditors are forced to write off their money.

    In recent history inflation has been the preferred option - the UK's national debt reduced markedly between 1945 and 1980 largely because nominal GDP rose by about 7% per year, most of which was due to inflation.

    But it is politically impossible to advocate either inflation or default. So we stagger on with QE (itself a form of inflation) which just kicks the can down the road.

    What we need now is a rerun of the inflation of the 1970s, but somehow I can't see anyone in politics adopting that as a policy anytime soon!



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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    Blimey, who knew so many feminists were in tune with the far right.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    Did the ballot design allow for that ?
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited May 2016
    Any pension fund shortfall is firstly the responsibility of the Pension Fund Trustees to resolve.

    With such low interest rates on government bonds, many pension funds have big shortfalls that may disappear once interest rates revert to normal. However, trustees can not assume that the company will continue in existence until the shortfall is closed by a rise in interest rates. So what should they do?

    Requiring a company to fill the pension fund gap from current resources is likely to bankrupt most companies in that position - which does not help the pensioners. What Lloyds Bank trustees have done is to take security on some of the company's assets. So in the event that the company goes bust before the pension fund shorfall is closed over time, then the pension fund can call on the security ahead of other creditors.

    The Lloyds Bank arrangement avoids bankrupting the company by claiming immediate payments to meet the shortfall but provides assurance that the shortfall could be closed if the company were to go bust before the long term arrangement to make good the shortfall is completed.

    This is what the BHS pension fund trustees should have done.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited May 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    Did the ballot design allow for that ?
    Wasn't it "put an X in the left column and an x in the right"?
    http://beta.getoutandvote.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/howtovote.jpg
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961

    Any pension fund shortfall is firstly the responsibility of the Pension Fund Trustees to resolve.

    With such low interest rates on government bonds, many pension funds have big shortfalls that may disappear once interest rates revert to normal. However, trustees can not assume that the company will continue in existence until the shortfall is closed by a rise in interest rates. So what should they do?

    Requiring a company to fill the pension fund gap from current resources is likely to bankrupt most companies in that position - which does not help the pensioners. What Lloyds Bank trustees have done is to take security on some of the company's assets. So in the event that the company goes bust before the pension fund shorfall is closed over time, then the pension fund can call on the security ahead of other creditors.

    The Lloyds Bank arrangement avoids bankrupting the company by claiming immediate payments to meet the shortfall but provides assurance that the shortfall could be closed if the company were to go bust before the long term arrangement to make good the shortfall is completed.

    This is what the BHS pension fund trustees should have done.

    That is a very sensible solution.

    That would indeed guarantee all pensions are paid in full. This was a proposal touted by the European pensions regulator, which it has only backtracked on in the last month. That would, however, require British industry to inject something like £250 billion into their pension schemes straight away (for comparison purposes, that’s more than three times the British government’s annual deficit).

    How many big companies would have sufficient assets for that though ?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Pulpstar said:

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    Did the ballot design allow for that ?
    Wasn't it "put an X in the left column and an x in the right"?
    http://beta.getoutandvote.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/howtovote.jpg

    You can easily imagine some* people putting the same entry in both columns to emphasise their vote.

    * The tiny few who don't understand AV.

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Pulpstar said:

    Any pension fund shortfall is firstly the responsibility of the Pension Fund Trustees to resolve.

    With such low interest rates on government bonds, many pension funds have big shortfalls that may disappear once interest rates revert to normal. However, trustees can not assume that the company will continue in existence until the shortfall is closed by a rise in interest rates. So what should they do?

    Requiring a company to fill the pension fund gap from current resources is likely to bankrupt most companies in that position - which does not help the pensioners. What Lloyds Bank trustees have done is to take security on some of the company's assets. So in the event that the company goes bust before the pension fund shorfall is closed over time, then the pension fund can call on the security ahead of other creditors.

    The Lloyds Bank arrangement avoids bankrupting the company by claiming immediate payments to meet the shortfall but provides assurance that the shortfall could be closed if the company were to go bust before the long term arrangement to make good the shortfall is completed.

    This is what the BHS pension fund trustees should have done.

    That is a very sensible solution.

    That would indeed guarantee all pensions are paid in full. This was a proposal touted by the European pensions regulator, which it has only backtracked on in the last month. That would, however, require British industry to inject something like £250 billion into their pension schemes straight away (for comparison purposes, that’s more than three times the British government’s annual deficit).

    How many big companies would have sufficient assets for that though ?
    You want a pension fund to be a fixed charge holder?
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    weejonnie said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Everton sack Roberto Martinez

    Van de Van de Boer de Ajax man incoming I assume.
    I've heard rumours that they might go for Eddie Howe.
    No way he leaves Bournemouth.

    He's an Everton fan. The new Everton shareholder has money that does make Everton a bit more attractive.
    Look into his history. He basically IS AFCB.

    I suppose. Plus nobody wants to work in Jürgen Klopp's shadow.

    I should charge for those comments of mine which tee up your slam dunks.
    For the first time in years, I'm actually feeling quiet confident about next season.

    Upgraded stadium, Klopp's stellar quality, hopefully champions league football and FSG supporting Klopp in the transfer market, I can feel it in my waters.
    I'm confident of the next season - after a bad start we'll struggle until December, sack Sam Allardyce hire another manager and survive on the last or penultimate day of the season.

    After all - it's worked for the last 4 years.
    I tip Sunderland to do a Leicester next season and win the League with Sam Allerdyce (pronounced alerdichi) as manager.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    So, how many Britain First voters gave Khan their second preference?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited May 2016
    The DB buy out scheme solution is booming - just look at where Just Retirement has moved in to whilst individual annuity business has fallen back (but not died please note)
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951

    Pulpstar said:

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    Did the ballot design allow for that ?
    Wasn't it "put an X in the left column and an x in the right"?
    http://beta.getoutandvote.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/howtovote.jpg

    You can easily imagine some* people putting the same entry in both columns to emphasise their vote.

    * The tiny few who don't understand AV.

    Compulsory AV re-education from TSE?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537
    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    It's why revenge porn has become a crime.
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    gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 477
    I am sick of this nonsense about how many immigrants stay or not. If they obtain a national insurance number then if they pay national insurance they probably are staying. If they don't then probably they have gone back of course there are a few that obtain a number then work in the black market so maybe add 10% for that. Surely it cannot be that hard to extract the information from the national insurance computer in Newcastle. Or is it bogged down updating to windows 10?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    I've never had this pleasure.

    Last time I dated was 2010 (married now) and that was exchanging, at best, suggestive innuendos over Facebook.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    SeanT said:

    Vapid Bilge = Give Bad Lip

    Hah

    I think we have a new pb meme. VAPID BILGE.

    How long before it gets applied to everything and shortened to VB and newcomers to the site are totally bewildered.
    What about Solar Plexus, for a "gamechanging" poll?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    SeanT said:

    Vapid Bilge = Give Bad Lip

    Hah

    I think we have a new pb meme. VAPID BILGE.

    How long before it gets applied to everything and shortened to VB and newcomers to the site are totally bewildered.
    What about Solar Plexus, for a "gamechanging" poll?
    compouter for Basil is probably my favourite one.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    I think we overestimate just how politically logical most people's votes are.

    Just because we're politically consistent it doesn't mean everyone else is.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961
    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    9 out of 10 - a cracking thinly disguised brag :D
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537

    The DB buy out scheme solution is booming - just look at where Just Retirement has moved in to whilst individual annuity business has fallen back (but not died please note)

    What's going on in the fantasy football? You might actually do it.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited May 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    Any pension fund shortfall is firstly the responsibility of the Pension Fund Trustees to resolve.

    With such low interest rates on government bonds, many pension funds have big shortfalls that may disappear once interest rates revert to normal. However, trustees can not assume that the company will continue in existence until the shortfall is closed by a rise in interest rates. So what should they do?

    Requiring a company to fill the pension fund gap from current resources is likely to bankrupt most companies in that position - which does not help the pensioners. What Lloyds Bank trustees have done is to take security on some of the company's assets. So in the event that the company goes bust before the pension fund shorfall is closed over time, then the pension fund can call on the security ahead of other creditors.

    The Lloyds Bank arrangement avoids bankrupting the company by claiming immediate payments to meet the shortfall but provides assurance that the shortfall could be closed if the company were to go bust before the long term arrangement to make good the shortfall is completed.

    This is what the BHS pension fund trustees should have done.

    That is a very sensible solution.

    That would indeed guarantee all pensions are paid in full. This was a proposal touted by the European pensions regulator, which it has only backtracked on in the last month. That would, however, require British industry to inject something like £250 billion into their pension schemes straight away (for comparison purposes, that’s more than three times the British government’s annual deficit).

    How many big companies would have sufficient assets for that though ?
    You want a pension fund to be a fixed charge holder?
    Yes. That is what the lloyds Pension Fund Trustees arranged in exchange for the company making good the pension shortfall over a ten year period. The bank is able to maintain a sound capital ratio and continue trading and the pension fund has security in the event it goes bust before making good the shortfall.

    Five years ago BHS probably had some retail premises the pension fund trustees could have taken a first charge over as security for non payment of the shortfall. It seems they did not do this.

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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    FPT @Innocent_Abroad



    This place often feels like a panel of Tories debating Labour...

    Is it those times when you hear the voices that want to make socialism illegal?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951

    FPT @Innocent_Abroad



    This place often feels like a panel of Tories debating Labour...

    Is it those times when you hear the voices that want to make socialism illegal?
    Post of the day.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    9 out of 10 - a cracking thinly disguised brag :D
    Dunno. I'd say 7/10.

    Suggests Sean has had a few dicpics as well.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    I think we overestimate just how politically logical most people's votes are.

    Just because we're politically consistent it doesn't mean everyone else is.
    My point here is that the greyed figures are probably not the number of people who didn't give a first preference - they are the number of people who gave the same first and second preference.

    If you're there and you think only one candidate fits the bill, why not put both xes for them if you're even 10% uncertain about how it works.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    Yes, having transcribed the numbers into my own sheet I rather fear that those numbers are x-x ballots, since the row totals don't match the 1st preferences.

    Which allows me to create a stupidity index:

    Labour 11.8%
    Ind 8.4%
    BNP 8.1%
    One Love 7.4%
    UKIP 7.0%
    Conserv 6.7%
    Respect 6.1%
    CISTA 5.7%
    Brit First 5.6%
    Lib Dem 3.3%
    Green 2.5%
    WEP 2.2%
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    Yes, having transcribed the numbers into my own sheet I rather fear that those numbers are x-x ballots, since the row totals don't match the 1st preferences.

    Which allows me to create a stupidity index:

    Labour 11.8%
    Ind 8.4%
    BNP 8.1%
    One Love 7.4%
    UKIP 7.0%
    Conserv 6.7%
    Respect 6.1%
    CISTA 5.7%
    Brit First 5.6%
    Lib Dem 3.3%
    Green 2.5%
    WEP 2.2%

    Vote Early. Vote Twice.

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    If you sent a "naughty" selfie, would that be flacid bilge ?!? .... :smile:
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    The DB buy out scheme solution is booming - just look at where Just Retirement has moved in to whilst individual annuity business has fallen back (but not died please note)

    What's going on in the fantasy football? You might actually do it.
    Norwich may be relegated but I'm in no mood to give up the fantasy football #1 slot.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    So, how many Britain First voters gave Khan their second preference?

    2741. Inclusive racism.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    9 out of 10 - a cracking thinly disguised brag :D
    Clearly young people are much more relaxed about dating someone old enough to be their father, too...

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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    If you sent a "naughty" selfie, would that be flacid bilge ?!? .... :smile:
    Mine would be 'massive bilge' in that situation.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,389

    So, how many Britain First voters gave Khan their second preference?

    2741. Inclusive racism.
    No one ever went broke....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537

    Interesting breakdown of all 2nd preferences in London - useful for considering tactical voting elsewhere.

    https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/730753572686680064

    Am I reading that right?

    392 people who voted for the Women's Equality Party gave their second preference to Britain First?
    No - first pref on left (row headers), second pref on top (column headers).

    So it's actually worse: there were 832 WEP-Britain First ballots.

    The 392 is a BNP-WEP ballot.

    I'm assuming the figs in grey are no 2nd preference, rather than a Lab-Lab ballot.
    There must be >0 people who voted Lab/Lab though.
    Yes, having transcribed the numbers into my own sheet I rather fear that those numbers are x-x ballots, since the row totals don't match the 1st preferences.

    Which allows me to create a stupidity index:

    Labour 11.8%
    Ind 8.4%
    BNP 8.1%
    One Love 7.4%
    UKIP 7.0%
    Conserv 6.7%
    Respect 6.1%
    CISTA 5.7%
    Brit First 5.6%
    Lib Dem 3.3%
    Green 2.5%
    WEP 2.2%
    So many voters in London who are in need of me educating them in electoral voting systems.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited May 2016
    SeanT said:

    Vapid Bilge = Give Bad Lip

    Hah

    I think we have a new pb meme. VAPID BILGE.

    How long before it gets applied to everything and shortened to VB and newcomers to the site are totally bewildered.
    What is a meme? :o
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961

    So, how many Britain First voters gave Khan their second preference?

    2741. Inclusive racism.
    "The Ken Livingstone fan club"
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578

    Any pension fund shortfall is firstly the responsibility of the Pension Fund Trustees to resolve.

    With such low interest rates on government bonds, many pension funds have big shortfalls that may disappear once interest rates revert to normal.

    But 0.5% is the norm now. Rates have been at that level for 7 years. And the economy is slowing down. There is no likelihood of a rise in the forseeable future.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    If you sent a "naughty" selfie, would that be flacid bilge ?!? .... :smile:
    Mine would be 'massive bilge' in that situation.
    I'm sure there a creams or ointments for that .... :sunglasses:
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,537

    So, how many Britain First voters gave Khan their second preference?

    2741. Inclusive racism.
    They must be like the Nazis for Zionism.
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    PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    People buy tat because everything else is completely out of reach. There is no point in saving if you can't buy a house. There is no point in a pension if you can only manage a pension pot of a few thousand. There was a BBC snippet about a rubbish dump in Japan, littered with last year's sound systems - the commentator thought it showed affluence - but it really showed poverty.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,364

    SeanT said:

    Vapid Bilge = Give Bad Lip

    Hah

    I think we have a new pb meme. VAPID BILGE.

    How long before it gets applied to everything and shortened to VB and newcomers to the site are totally bewildered.
    What is a meme? :o
    The Meme Valley Railway runs westwards from Peterborough
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Dear Dictatoresse @Cyclefree

    Please could you arrange for all teenage girls who publish ‘fish faces’ on Facebook to be slapped with a Wiff-Waff bat with a picture of Emily Pankhurst on it? :lol:
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I think we have a new pb meme. VAPID BILGE.

    How long before it gets applied to everything and shortened to VB and newcomers to the site are totally bewildered.''

    With an avatar of Fiona Bruce presenting antiques roadshow? or anything else for that matter.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    SeanT said:

    Vapid Bilge = Give Bad Lip

    Hah

    I think we have a new pb meme. VAPID BILGE.

    How long before it gets applied to everything and shortened to VB and newcomers to the site are totally bewildered.
    What is a meme? :o
    The Meme Valley Railway runs westwards from Peterborough
    Is there a fountain in the Meme Valley which is the font of all knowledge?
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    SeanT said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    9 out of 10 - a cracking thinly disguised brag :D
    It actually wasn't meant as a brag..... but I can see how it probably comes across as one.

    Or I simply can't help myself. Narcissistic to the end.

    On the other hand, the strangely common exchange of erotic photos amongst the young is more interesting than PENSIONS
    It's all about instant gratification nowadays. :(
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457

    Dear Dictatoresse @Cyclefree

    Please could you arrange for all teenage girls who publish ‘fish faces’ on Facebook to be slapped with a Wiff-Waff bat with a picture of Emily Pankhurst on it? :lol:

    And ban 'whoop-whoop'.

    I really don't get the super-pout selfie plague.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr W,

    "If you sent a "naughty" selfie, would that be flacid bilge ?!?"

    In a rather surreal conversation with the daughter of a friend (he was there too), she mentioned the annoyance of having "dick-pics" sent to her.

    I couldn't resist asking (very politely) in what state were they? She seemed rather scornful. "Well, there wouldn't be much point sending flaccid ones. would there?"

    Obviously romance is dead nowadays.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: BREAKING: MSPs elect Ken Macintosh as Holyrood's new Presiding Officer

    @HolyroodJenni: Ken Macintosh says he's welcomed two members of catering staff, a BBC journalist and a special branch officer thinking they were new MSPs
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. StClare, my Latin is minimal at best, but would it be dictatorix? Dictatora?
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Mr. StClare, my Latin is minimal at best, but would it be dictatorix? Dictatora?

    Dictatrix
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    What do u guys think of Plaid etc trying to get Woods elected forst minister? Crazy surely?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961
    nunu said:

    What do u guys think of Plaid etc trying to get Woods elected forst minister? Crazy surely?

    It may seem so, but the numbers and alphabet was there to engineer a perfect result...
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760
    Dave's fits became ever more hissy
    As the voters edged to decree nisi
    for instead of remaining
    the Leavers were gaining
    And Dave pants were smelling quite pissy
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,848
    edited May 2016
    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    In terms of shocking cultural developments - like tattoos and undersized trousers - the one that amazes me is the ease and willingness with which young people will send naughty pictures of themselves, especially young ladies

    If you go online and meet someone under 30, within a couple of days - or hours - there's a fair chance they will have sent you a nude shot, or something topless at the very least. And then they send little movies....

    Young people are just much much more relaxed about sex and nudity than "we" were. It must be the internet.

    Is it a good or a bad thing? Hmm.

    If you sent a "naughty" selfie, would that be flacid bilge ?!? .... :smile:
    Careful you'll have #YewTree descending on Chez Jack with that sort of talk! :open_mouth:
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,364

    Mr. StClare, my Latin is minimal at best, but would it be dictatorix? Dictatora?

    Dictatrix
    I concur:

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dictatrix
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,502
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Pulpstar said:

    nunu said:

    What do u guys think of Plaid etc trying to get Woods elected forst minister? Crazy surely?

    It may seem so, but the numbers and alphabet was there to engineer a perfect result...
    Yes the perfect result for Labour.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,848
    edited May 2016
    Frage is hoping to go on TV and face Dave... And destroy LEAVE in the process, thus ensuring his and UKIP's survival and keeping himself wedded to the EU gravy train.

    Discuss:
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040
    "Vabid Bilge" - the mindless garbage that emanates from the PeeBee Burleys that we have to put up with day after day...
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    gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 477

    taffys said:

    Can I suggesy you engage snipers to shoot pedestrians gawping at their mobile phones in central London WHEN THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY ARE WALKING?

    And I'd like to put in a request for banning of tattoos on women, the banning of piercings on everyone, and a mandatory death-sentence for cyclists who jump lights when pedestrians are crossing.

    Now, for Generalissima Cyclefree's second week...
    Capital punishment for wilful littering too.
    At a public meeting I said I would ban umbrellas, nobody ever died of rain but every year thousands are pushed in front of buses or have their eyes gouged out as people put umbrellas up.
    Agreed but what about the hundreds of thousands who are late for important meetings because pavements are clogged up? People sacked to languish on the dole (or whatever IDS has left of it) for the rest of their lives, weddings cancelled etc.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,848
    murali_s said:

    "Vabid Bilge" - the mindless garbage that emanates from the PeeBee Burleys that we have to put up with day after day...

    I'll have you know there are people who pay SeanT thousands of pounds for his bilge! :smiley:
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. Jimmy, argh, should've known that from editor becoming editrix.

    Or, for that matter, dominator becoming dominatrix.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited May 2016
    "When I am Dictatoresse people will be expected to dress nicely in public ..... and not do their toilette on the tube, either."

    Bravo, Mrs Free! For a while there we seemed to be getting into a collective re-write of Ko_ko's song, "I have got a little list" and I agreed with most of the categories put forward of people who would not be missed. Much of it, of course, like Gilbert's original is based around people who do not think of the impact their actions have on others - plus ca change.

    Mind you the one category mentioned that I just do not understand is the use of mobile phones to record what is happening in front of us and where we are generally rather than actually enjoying the experience.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457
    GIN1138 said:

    Frage is hoping to go on TV and face Dave... And destroy LEAVE in the process, thus ensuring his and UKIP's survival and keeping himself wedded to the EU gravy train.

    Discuss:

    Farage v. Cameron works for Farage, works for Cameron and works for ITV.

    It doesn't work for Vote Leave.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Eddie Howe is 33/1 to be the next Everton manager with publicity shy Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/football/football-specials/manager-specials?ev_oc_grp_ids=1233867

    A first entry for Eagles in the PB 16-17 tax year TOTY compo.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BLqxJy9uuaF3LdmQfFLUGxbnD9m0H8hoDyrAGm16aaE/edit#gid=0
    I see Mr Meeks is the only winning tipster on that sheet, with a nice 10/1 winner.
    So far :)
    I was a complete idiot and should have plonked down some saver cash on NOM after I started making constituency bets as if my bets were busts then NOM was nailed on.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,364
    murali_s said:

    "Vabid Bilge" - the mindless garbage that emanates from the PeeBee Burleys that we have to put up with day after day...

    Vapid, not Vabid!
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,502
    GIN1138 said:

    Frage is hoping to go on TV and face Dave... And destroy LEAVE in the process, thus ensuring his and UKIP's survival and keeping himself wedded to the EU gravy train.

    Discuss:

    It occurred to me to post this this morning. He wouldn't be human if he wasn't at least slightly aware that a great result would totally undermine his party's financial base (not to mention reason for existing).

    The temptation must be there, not to deliberately throw the debate as such, but to avoid any moderation of tone, in order to play to the gallery. Such as facts about AIDS. Which may be facts, and may even be a valid subject for debate, but don't sit well with wavering voters.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    Dave's fits became ever more hissy
    As the voters edged to decree nisi
    for instead of remaining
    the Leavers were gaining
    And Dave pants were smelling quite pissy

    I think the first pair of lines might have rhymed in Chaucer's time but not today...
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    The DB buy out scheme solution is booming - just look at where Just Retirement has moved in to whilst individual annuity business has fallen back (but not died please note)

    What's going on in the fantasy football? You might actually do it.
    MY triple captain did not activate, I am raging.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,502
    edited May 2016

    GIN1138 said:

    Frage is hoping to go on TV and face Dave... And destroy LEAVE in the process, thus ensuring his and UKIP's survival and keeping himself wedded to the EU gravy train.

    Discuss:

    Farage v. Cameron works for Farage, works for Cameron and works for ITV.

    It doesn't work for Vote Leave.
    Vote Leave doesn't work for Vote Leave. Who knows, keeping them out of this debate may be the best thing for them.
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    GIN1138 said:

    Frage is hoping to go on TV and face Dave... And destroy LEAVE in the process, thus ensuring his and UKIP's survival and keeping himself wedded to the EU gravy train.

    Discuss:

    Farage was always going to say yes if asked. There's a strong argument that we wouldn't even be having this referendum in the first place, were it not for him.
    I don't blame him for accepting the offer from ITV. I just don't think he should have been asked in the first place because he isn't part of the officially designated Leave group.
    He'll do okay financially after a "Leave" vote - I'm sure he will be able to make a fortune from public speaking engagements and the like. Maybe he's hoping for a peerage?

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,457

    murali_s said:

    "Vabid Bilge" - the mindless garbage that emanates from the PeeBee Burleys that we have to put up with day after day...

    Vapid, not Vabid!
    Cameron v. Farage: Rabid Grilldge?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,892
    Three interesting facts are known. (Well two and one that made me laugh.)

    1. His wife Tina is resident in Monaco

    2. He has put all his assets in his wife's name

    3. His wife's daughter is called Stasha
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