London Mayoral race "too close to call" sources say.
Wow if Zac does it.
He wont but it will be reasonably close. The pollsters will have to come up with another system for looking at londoners based on differential turnout.
London Mayoral race "too close to call" sources say.
Wow if Zac does it.
We wouldn't have to see Katie Hopkins arse, come on Zac
Ah come on it'll be fun.
Is the sausage being clenched or inserted? And what kind of sausage? CHipolata? Bratwurst? Come on Katie you talk endless shite so tell us this WE NEED TO KNOW!!!!
However, if he did, what does that do for Corbyn's political life expectancy?
Significant damage I'd say. It's the difference between Corbyn performing broadly as you would expect Labour to (bit better in England, bit worse in Wales, as expected in Scotland/safe by-elections) and him showing some negative drag. It would tip me toward thinking the leadership question should be reopened.
@Polruan - of course, you are right. You have to make a judgement on whether the country will vote for a party led by a member of the hard left who has spent 30 years cosying up to anti-Semites and other low-life because, like him, they also hate America, or not. My judgment is that the country will decisively reject such a party and there is nothing in the results we have seen so far to make me reconsider. Alternatively, you could come to the conclusion that the country will put all that to one side, or not think it is important, and vote for a left-wing economic agenda. Again, I guess that outside of the results in Scotland, Wales and Middle England you could look at things and conclude that is still a possibility. My guess, though, is that actually a third scenario is the likeliest: most Labour members do not actually believe that a Labour government is the priority; instead, their focus is on defeating "Blairites". But it is only a judgement. I have no empirical evidence to back that up.
London Mayoral race "too close to call" sources say.
Too close to call, yet one candidate is 1/18 and the other 15/1.
Yesterday NOM in Scotland was 8/1 and last year after the exit poll came out the a Tory maj was 10/1.
That said I fully expect Khan to be Mayor of London
Both very true. I admit to piling on the 1/8 NOM last year on Election Day morning, before rapidly (and drunkenly) having to unwind it after the Nuneaton result.
I'm wondering if the SNP is better off in the long term despite losing their majority. The Cons have done well but surely have a maximum ceiling of 40 seats due to their weakness in Glasgow, Dundee, Fife and Lanarkshire. Labour look miles away from recovering. Also the LDs who are the only realistic coalition for Con and Lab have not recovered.
We may start to see Scotland settle down now with the SNP in permanent power, either as majority, minority or coalition due to the fact that SLAB and SCON won't work together in a similar way to Wales where Labour are in permanent power as Plaid won't work with the Cons (and presumably UKIP)
Tory comeback is right. I keep having to remind people that their suggestion Scotland=Labour is nonsense. Not that long ago that there were a lot of Tory MPs north of the border...
To be fair there were a lot of Conservative and Unionist MPs - the "Tories" were forever English - and SLAB dug their own grave when the SNP trumped their "Not the Tories" schtick with "and not English either".
The Barnet result should be challenged in the Courts. The Council have failed to learn from management training courses, failed to deliver electoral lists to the right places at the right time. Too many excuses from them and EC for poor administration.
Not good enough to have the lessons will be learned excuses trotted out once again..
Labour currently ahead in Barnet and Camden.....but Zac ahead for mayor.
Given the Holborn & St Pancras result last year I'd be surprised if Camden did not stay Labour; though there will probably be a swing to the Tories in Hampstead.
Tory comeback is right. I keep having to remind people that their suggestion Scotland=Labour is nonsense. Not that long ago that there were a lot of Tory MPs north of the border...
To be fair there were a lot of Conservative and Unionist MPs - the "Tories" were forever English - and SLAB dug their own grave when the SNP trumped their "Not the Tories" schtick with "and not English either".
I wouldn't read too much into the Scottish vote. I rather suspect that it is a Pro Union vote than a pro Tory one - tactically enhanced due to the possibility of Brexit.
Scotland just decided that the Union is more important than the EU - in that it won't countenance another Indy ref on the back of the EU ref, whatever the result.
Labour currently ahead in Barnet and Camden.....but Zac ahead for mayor.
Given the Holborn & St Pancras result last year I'd be surprised if Camden did not stay Labour; though there will probably be a swing to the Tories in Hampstead.
Stupid me. I had forgotten it was one constituency. Given Nick tells us that Corbyn is a net positive for Labour in London it is inconceivable Labour will not hold that seat easily - should increase the majority :-)
London Mayoral race "too close to call" sources say.
Too close to call, yet one candidate is 1/18 and the other 15/1.
Yesterday NOM in Scotland was 8/1 and last year after the exit poll came out the a Tory maj was 10/1.
That said I fully expect Khan to be Mayor of London
Both very true. I admit to piling on the 1/8 NOM last year on Election Day morning, before rapidly (and drunkenly) having to unwind it after the Nuneaton result.
As far as the Tories are concerned story so far seems to be sensible and down to earth Ruth Davidson doing well while the Posh Boys under perform across the rest of the country?
London Mayoral race "too close to call" sources say.
Too close to call, yet one candidate is 1/18 and the other 15/1.
Yesterday NOM in Scotland was 8/1 and last year after the exit poll came out the a Tory maj was 10/1.
That said I fully expect Khan to be Mayor of London
Both very true. I admit to piling on the 1/8 NOM last year on Election Day morning, before rapidly (and drunkenly) having to unwind it after the Nuneaton result.
Who here got on the NOM in Scotland?
I got on it at 7/1 back in December (when Alastair first tipped it). I looked at it yesterday and thought it was money pissed away so very pleasantly surprised.
Looks like we're shaping up for a "Super Thursday" that everyone can claim some comfort from.
As a Tory voter, bit early to say with barely half of English council results in and what looks like a bit of a disappointment in Wales, but I'm really pleased for Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Tories, that's a stunning result for them, making "proper" gains of actual constituency seats and Ruth Davidson herself pulling off what must be a wholly unexpected personal triumph in Edinburgh Central. I am sure she will be a very effective Official Opposition leader in Scotland and endear herself further.
Is she the New Boris - a leading Tory who outperforms the party and has personal charisma and appeal? With Boris's star on the wane after his Euro mess-ups, and with nobody else in the Cabinet having anything remotely close to the voter appeal of Cameron, I can't help feeling she is the obvious, yet of course totally inconceivable, replacement for Dave.
The idea of the Tories having a second female leader - and gay too - before Labour has even had its first is just too delicious. Labour would look even more the party of backwoodsmen...
London Mayoral race "too close to call" sources say.
Too close to call, yet one candidate is 1/18 and the other 15/1.
Yesterday NOM in Scotland was 8/1 and last year after the exit poll came out the a Tory maj was 10/1.
That said I fully expect Khan to be Mayor of London
Both very true. I admit to piling on the 1/8 NOM last year on Election Day morning, before rapidly (and drunkenly) having to unwind it after the Nuneaton result.
Who here got on the NOM in Scotland?
I did, and Con as second place too.
AntiFrank is a pretty good tipster.
I was on that 8/1 as well - nice to have some decent tips after a long famine period on here.
As far as the Tories are concerned story so far seems to be sensible and down to earth Ruth Davidson doing well while the Posh Boys under perform across the rest of the country?
So the ship will be RSS Sir David Attenborough and the sub will be Boaty McBoatface.
Don't see why it cannot have an official name and yet everyone calls it Boaty McBoatface anyway - never stopped people called 30 St Mary Axe or whatever it is The Gherkin.
Corbyn did "as expected" in Scotland??? You were beaten into THIRD for the first time in the history of Holyrood, and you recorded your worst voting performance, north of the border, since 1910.
However, if he did, what does that do for Corbyn's political life expectancy?
Significant damage I'd say. It's the difference between Corbyn performing broadly as you would expect Labour to (bit better in England, bit worse in Wales, as expected in Scotland/safe by-elections) and him showing some negative drag. It would tip me toward thinking the leadership question should be reopened.
Corbyn did "as expected" in Scotland??? You were beaten into THIRD for the first time in the history of Holyrood, and you recorded your worst voting performance, north of the border, since 1910.
What WOULD you call "unexpectedly" bad? Every single Labour candidate committing ritual seppuku beneath Stirling Castle?
Corbyn specifically stated when elected leader that he was going to prioritise a Labour fightback in Scotland.
So the ship will be RSS Sir David Attenborough and the sub will be Boaty McBoatface.
Why? OK I can see why Boaty McBoatface is not a good name for the ship but it looks like the minister has just gone for the bloke off the telly. Attenborough is not a polar researcher. The minister's populism is surely no more admirable than the viral joke it overrides.
It's also worth remembering that the benchmark in England for the Tories here are the post-omnishambles results. Labour may be unelectable, but the Tories are not popular. They are very lucky to be up against such a desperately poor alternative.
However, if he did, what does that do for Corbyn's political life expectancy?
Significant damage I'd say. It's the difference between Corbyn performing broadly as you would expect Labour to (bit better in England, bit worse in Wales, as expected in Scotland/safe by-elections) and him showing some negative drag. It would tip me toward thinking the leadership question should be reopened.
Corbyn did "as expected" in Scotland??? You were beaten into THIRD for the first time in the history of Holyrood, and you recorded your worst voting performance, north of the border, since 1910.
What WOULD you call "unexpectedly" bad? Every single Labour candidate committing ritual seppuku beneath Stirling Castle?
Corbyn specifically stated when elected leader that he was going to prioritise a Labour fightback in Scotland.
It says he wanted to shake up the establishment in scotland. Job done. (In fairness I doubt last night had much to do with him, even if he could not prevent it)
Labour's apocalypse in Scotland was expected though. And its not as a result of Corbyn or anything from the last year its from losing the party of Scotland tag to the SNP. ANd until their bubble bursts we stand no chance at all.
What is encouraging is that Nicola has lost her majority. So perhaps the SNP have hit apogee, in which case we can start to rebuild in future elections.
Just realised that Edinburgh central was Marco Biagi's seat and he was stepping down so no first time incumbency boost for the SNP there.
The notion that Ruth could win anywhere in Scotland is a joke. Do people really think she would win in Glasgow East?
I've no idea. But many people said she would not win in Edinburgh Central and some were outright mocking at the idea, and were wrong. In the immediate aftermath people will naturally therefore perhaps oversell the unexpected victor. But a grace period for that seems reasonable given the contemptuous dismissal of some of the possibility which has now occurred.
Looks like Labour ahead in 11 out of 14 GLA counts.
That doesn't sound too close to call.
Too close to call could mean many things - it seems to be used very early in counts, where literally any current figures are too close to call simply because there's no way to be sure it's representative.
However, if he did, what does that do for Corbyn's political life expectancy?
Significant damage I'd say. It's the difference between Corbyn performing broadly as you would expect Labour to (bit better in England, bit worse in Wales, as expected in Scotland/safe by-elections) and him showing some negative drag. It would tip me toward thinking the leadership question should be reopened.
Corbyn did "as expected" in Scotland??? You were beaten into THIRD for the first time in the history of Holyrood, and you recorded your worst voting performance, north of the border, since 1910.
What WOULD you call "unexpectedly" bad? Every single Labour candidate committing ritual seppuku beneath Stirling Castle?
I'd say this was pretty much what looked likely in the aftermath of GE15. Corbyn hasn't made it any better but I don't see the Labour party being awash with good ideas about how to solve the problem which you identified pretty accurately
There's a difference between meeting actual expectations and being good enough, obviously.
So the ship will be RSS Sir David Attenborough and the sub will be Boaty McBoatface.
Why? OK I can see why Boaty McBoatface is not a good name for the ship but it looks like the minister has just gone for the bloke off the telly. Attenborough is not a polar researcher. The minister's populism is surely no more admirable than the viral joke it overrides.
I quite agree about Attenborough, totally inappropriate.
So the ship will be RSS Sir David Attenborough and the sub will be Boaty McBoatface.
Don't see why it cannot have an official name and yet everyone calls it Boaty McBoatface anyway - never stopped people called 30 St Mary Axe or whatever it is The Gherkin.
Labour have done much better than forecast in Wales. Will they get a majority out of the last 4 seats?
Like the SNP they have gained from a very divided opposition.
Still quite impressive. The Tories have taken more of a hit than Labour in Wales.
Even if the hits are indeed bad, in all honesty they don't look that bad to the layman I suspect, for England and Wales.
Very clever. By calling the sub Boaty McBoatface, it prevents that being used as a nickname for the research ship, and keeps the humourists happy. Someone has done some thinking.
Labour's apocalypse in Scotland was expected though. And its not as a result of Corbyn or anything from the last year its from losing the party of Scotland tag to the SNP. ANd until their bubble bursts we stand no chance at all.
What is encouraging is that Nicola has lost her majority. So perhaps the SNP have hit apogee, in which case we can start to rebuild in future elections.
The SNP got their majority due to crazy good vote efficiency and no vote splitting on the list. The SNPs constituency vote actually increased this time but the split vote on the list killed them.
Just realised that Edinburgh central was Marco Biagi's seat and he was stepping down so no first time incumbency boost for the SNP there.
The notion that Ruth could win anywhere in Scotland is a joke. Do people really think she would win in Glasgow East?
I think it would be a gross insult to Ruth to suggest that she would ever have the attributes required to win in the East of Glasgow.
She's tried Glasgow North East twice for Westminster and Glasgow Kelvin at Holyrood.
She got 5.2, 5.3 and 7.8 respectively.
Indeed - she'd have to be ordained as a bishop, promise to ban the monarchy, give a contract to Brian Dempsey and buy season ticket to Celtic to have a chance.
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Joyce Watson and Eluned Morgan for Labour
Simon Thomas for Plaid Cymru
Neil Hamilton for UKIP
Is the sausage being clenched or inserted? And what kind of sausage? CHipolata? Bratwurst? Come on Katie you talk endless shite so tell us this WE NEED TO KNOW!!!!
That said I fully expect Khan to be Mayor of London
Who here got on the NOM in Scotland?
It's not very scientific, Khan ahead by 1cm
We may start to see Scotland settle down now with the SNP in permanent power, either as majority, minority or coalition due to the fact that SLAB and SCON won't work together in a similar way to Wales where Labour are in permanent power as Plaid won't work with the Cons (and presumably UKIP)
https://londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/election-results/live-count-progress-2016?contest=23
Not great for his longer term prospects.
Not good enough to have the lessons will be learned excuses trotted out once again..
Like the SNP they have gained from a very divided opposition.
PCC turnout in #Barnsley 26.6%
#Rotherham 32%
#Doncaster 20.14%
Waiting on #Sheffield and total turnout
Scotland just decided that the Union is more important than the EU - in that it won't countenance another Indy ref on the back of the EU ref, whatever the result.
And Tories most seats without SNP.
And I bought Tory seats on SPIN at 21
So the ship will be RSS Sir David Attenborough and the sub will be Boaty McBoatface.
AntiFrank is a pretty good tipster.
But I don't think it will arise - at this stage, I don't believe any reports of it being close. I go with my gut!
Need a bit of grit and gravitas.
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The notion that Ruth could win anywhere in Scotland is a joke. Do people really think she would win in Glasgow East?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyns-message-kezia-dugdale-6429817
Con 31 up 4
Lab 14 up 2
LD 7 up 3
Ind 3 down 4
Liberal 3 N/C
UKIP 2 minus 2
Con gain control
Is he still out canvassing for the SNP in Ayrshire?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36225624
What is encouraging is that Nicola has lost her majority. So perhaps the SNP have hit apogee, in which case we can start to rebuild in future elections.
Click on the individual boroughs in the drop bar.
http://tinyurl.com/zx44apw
There's a difference between meeting actual expectations and being good enough, obviously.
She got 5.2, 5.3 and 7.8 respectively.
Goldsmith ahead in Barnet and Camden, Bromley and Bexley, Redbridge and Havering and West Central.