Lisa Nandy. 20%? I don't get it. What has she done to be a contender? You can sort of, maybe, just about, see a case for Starmer or Jarvis. But even then, that's a stretch.
You need a candidate, who has demonstrated in opposition that they can make an impact and ideally land a blow.
Quite. If we're going to return to "moderates" then I'd rather have Harman, Johnson or Benn. I might not agree with everything they've done, but atleast I know roughly what I'd get from them in policy terms, and they've proven themselves to atleast be semi-competent in terms of media performance and general political skills.
I'm sick of the Nandys, Kendalls, Umunnas, Reeveses and Jarvises being put forward before they've done, or even said, anything relevant or interesting. Or shown they have any basic political skills or any sort of proven appeal to the general public, to compensate for the less-than-ideal policy stances.
Has Burnham a chance again after his work on getting the enquiry for Hillsborough ?
I doubt it - and I say that as someone who voted for him last year.
Yes same here , I voted for Burnham, in 2015 and 10. Not a member of the party but got a vote through Union affilation.
I did not use my vote today , in the PCC elections as I do not agree with the concept of politicians running the police.
Politicians don't run the police on a day to day basis. The PCC is the means by which the police are accountable to the people.
I love the BBC live blog on polling day. They have to fill up a day of live updates with virtually nothing other than 'Here's a picture of a politician smiling outside a polling station' followed 15 minutes later by 'Here's another one from a different party' and 'By the way there are elections happening, but that's all we can say'
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Glos police investigating alleged electoral fraud. By election in Cheltenham? I'm hearing Lib Dems set to do well there tonight, so could be very interesting if anything did come out of the investigation. That government majority might yet evaporate before 2020...
According to Guido, it is up for the individual forces to apply for an extension to the time allowed for investigation. The number of forces which apply for this will give us a sense of how realistic this prospect is. I think it is quite unlikely.
Crick's accusation is basically that the battle buses were hanging around in the same place too long for them to be considered part of the national campaign. Unless there's a clear definition already of what is 'too long' then I can't see charges. More likely that the electoral commission clarify what is and isn't allowed in advance of the next election.
I love the BBC live blog on polling day. They have to fill up a day of live updates with virtually nothing other than 'Here's a picture of a politician smiling outside a polling station' followed 15 minutes later by 'Here's another one from a different party' and 'By the way there are elections happening, but that's all we can say'
"The BBC can neither confirm nor deny that an election is taking place across the country"
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll find somebody on here who believes you. Eventually.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
LD in the PCC for me.
No second choice.
Kipper? Not a chance
Conservative? No way.
Labour? A Lord of Corbyns party. Back of the queue.
I exercised my prerogative earlier - and then went over to the Church Hall to vote with Mrs Stodge. I'd say a steady trickle at 8.15 - about what I'd expect for a local election round here.
Medium sized political drama in the last few minutes as we've been treated to the sight and sound of a Labour loudspeaker - a Labour loudspeaker - scuttling round the streets trying to get the vote out.
Sorry, I went a bit Kinnock there for a moment.
Perhaps our resident Conservative cheerleader, Dixie, may be on to something or just on something as anyone who spends their Bank Holiday following Zac Goldsmith around south west London must be a few postal votes short of an election complaint (little bit of politics, my name's Stodge, good night !)
Sorry, I went a bit Ben Elton there for a moment.
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Predictions - some gains, some losses all round. As is usually the case, there'll be something for everyone. No one will do as well as they hope or as badly as their opponents hope.
The Sun will rise in the east tomorrow and it will be a lovely day - unfortunately, I have to be at work and hoping South West Trains have resolved their "little local difficulty" in the Vauxhall area.
Just back from voting in the locals / spoiling in the PCC. Looks like turnout in central Leeds is piss poor.
People more interested in visiting the pub than the polling station.
Seriously, do you think South Yorkshire Police were being in any way adequately supervised by the previous arrangements over the last 30 years?
Police have real power in our society and need to be democratically accountable. I am not saying PCCs are the answer, they have very little mandate on such derisory turnouts, but surely even they are better than what we had before.?
My area is not having council elections, so I went and cast a ballot in the PCC election at 5pm.
At that point, 58 people had voted out of around 1,020 eligible.
Just had a bizarre conversation with the people manning the polling station. I said how's turnout been? They said "quite good". I said "more than 50%?" They said "about 10%, the same as last time". Not sure how that counts as "quite good".
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
LOL - of course mate, of course.
I kid you not Floater and Tyson, I did vote Labour for the first time today. I have found that my income has been frozen by the Tory government until 2019 and the much vaunted reduction in social rents that Cameron keeps boasting about means I have to pay the 1 % change as my social landlord increased the amount I am liable for so stuff Cameron is my view! People might say I am a nutter for doing this because ideologically I am a Tory but I wanted to get my protest in now as I don't think Cameron is going to be around long.
If Ed grows his beard again and launches a new leadership from a hipsterish, ironic nostalgia viewpoint he could be onto a winner... Tough enuss? Hell yes I'm tough enuss.
My area is not having council elections, so I went and cast a ballot in the PCC election at 5pm.
At that point, 58 people had voted out of around 1,020 eligible.
Just had a bizarre conversation with the people manning the polling station. I said how's turnout been? They said "quite good". I said "more than 50%?" They said "about 10%, the same as last time". Not sure how that counts as "quite good".
Lisa Nandy. 20%? I don't get it. What has she done to be a contender? You can sort of, maybe, just about, see a case for Starmer or Jarvis. But even then, th
Starmer could probably cut it as a possible PM. Whether
Other than Watson - who'd likely be a Howard-esque caretaker, attempting to repair the party, Nandy is the only one of those up top who could unite the softer/saner Corbynites with the rest of the party and its MPs. She's on the left economically but has no truck with the Marxist delusions which turn Corbyn's platform from one MPs might bite their tongues and agree with, to one they morally cannot bring themselves defend. She's also a competent media performer, but funnily enough has largely been kept off the airwaves since giving plausible, honest answers which contradicted the leader's waffle until popping up again to force him to do the decent thing over Naz Shah. She's also got a biography to die for, being a plain speaking half-Indian woman from Wigan who worked extensively for charities before taking up politics. I wouldn't underestimate the appeal to the membership of a northern woman given how stupid the party of equality would look facing a top Tory team of say, May and Javid with a bunch of pale, male North London pensioners. The problem is if she wields, or is even remotely seen to wield the knife, she loses the key attribute she has over other candidates - being able to offer Corbynites a leader they can accept who might stand a chance of winning and implement their more coherent economic ideas. Benn is a no-go due to Syria. Can you see a party membership who saw an extension of airstrikes against ISIS as a war crime voting for an ex-soldier? Starmer might work but is a bit too dry and Watson will probably have to dirty his hands in any coup.
The only way out of the current Mexican stand-off which will eventually kill the party is to trigger a contest, with say Jarvis standing backed by the right and act as an attack dog, let the unions and the soft left who are aware of Corbyn's shortcomings (but hate Tony Blair too much to care) know that the non-Corbynite MPs and members are prepared for the MAD of a split because morally they can't be in a Corbynite party. However there is a way out - backing Nandy as a unity candidate on a pro-trident, anti-austerity platform and dispensing with the sidetracking nonsense. Jarvis then pulls out due to 'lack of support' and you're in business. Off the top of my head she's the only front rank Labour politician who's plausible in that role - hence her low odds.
No, it has to be a big hitter before the election, Nandy is not that and not in the front-rank of the Shadow Cabinet. McDonnell or Hilary Benn are the only alternatives to Corbyn pre-2020, most likely McDonnell
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
It must be an election night to see such newbies with their novel stories to tell
As a lifelong Lib Dem I have been appalled by Zac Cameron and his awful cat whistle campaign, Jeremy's lovely honesty had convinced me to switch the habits of 80 years and vote Labour,
Where I am there are only PCC elections so turnout probably around 10% or even less. I feel sorry for the officials who must by this stage be bored out of their minds.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
LOL - of course mate, of course.
I kid you not Floater and Tyson, I did vote Labour for the first time today. I have found that my income has been frozen by the Tory government until 2019 and the much vaunted reduction in social rents that Cameron keeps boasting about means I have to pay the 1 % change as my social landlord increased the amount I am liable for so stuff Cameron is my view! People might say I am a nutter for doing this because ideologically I am a Tory but I wanted to get my protest in now as I don't think Cameron is going to be around long.
Have you not benefitted from the doubling of the personal allowance since 2010?
I have to say when I was politically active, I would always disregard any rumours or reports I heard on Polling Day from tellers or canvassers.
In the first election I fought, everyone was telling me it was going to be close between me and the Conservative - I got 36%, the Conservative got 55%.
There is so much misinformation and disinformation flying around (which has only multiplied exponentially by the coming of Twitter) it's best to follow the real numbers which should be known by only a few (and that excludes the candidates who I would keep well out of the way of anything and everything).
My area is not having council elections, so I went and cast a ballot in the PCC election at 5pm.
At that point, 58 people had voted out of around 1,020 eligible.
Just had a bizarre conversation with the people manning the polling station. I said how's turnout been? They said "quite good". I said "more than 50%?" They said "about 10%, the same as last time". Not sure how that counts as "quite good".
The overall figure for turnout at the PCC elections was about 15% in 2012 and because council turnout will be about 30% that will almost certainly mean that PCC turnout can be claimed to have risen, even if that will not be the case in PPC only polling areas
Just back from voting in the locals / spoiling in the PCC. Looks like turnout in central Leeds is piss poor.
People more interested in visiting the pub than the polling station.
Seriously, do you think South Yorkshire Police were being in any way adequately supervised by the previous arrangements over the last 30 years?
Police have real power in our society and need to be democratically accountable. I am not saying PCCs are the answer, they have very little mandate on such derisory turnouts, but surely even they are better than what we had before.?
The alternative to PCC is what they have in London and soon will have in Manchester - policing being a responsibility of the elected Mayor. While I am not in favour of elected mayors being imposed on us, it is a better option than a PCC.
Wrong. I can't muck around with my proper name. I would be hauled over the coals. I think on Monday will revert as I might be in an official position as am standing at this election.
Where I am there are only PCC elections so turnout probably around 10% or even less. I feel sorry for the officials who must by this stage be bored out of their minds.
Council officials have minds? Do you evidence for this remarkable and implausible assertion?
As I am exhausted, on that bombshell I will bid everyone good night.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
In the same way that I used to be a staunch Labour voter.
You haven't really convinced me, and on the gullible stakes, I am really super gullible. But a B- for effort.
Completely off thread and lacking any political merit of any kind- I was studying Corbyn's bearded growth today, and it appears to grow up into his nostrils which rather grossed me out.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
LOL - of course mate, of course.
I kid you not Floater and Tyson, I did vote Labour for the first time today. I have found that my income has been frozen by the Tory government until 2019 and the much vaunted reduction in social rents that Cameron keeps boasting about means I have to pay the 1 % change as my social landlord increased the amount I am liable for so stuff Cameron is my view! People might say I am a nutter for doing this because ideologically I am a Tory but I wanted to get my protest in now as I don't think Cameron is going to be around long.
Scottish Labour just phoned to ask to confirm that I had voted. I told them I had. I may be speaking to my better half when she gets home.
Tell me you live in Devon.
No, Dundee. But my wife denies everything so I don't know where their database is coming from.
Time to interrogate the sprogs..
Maybe someone said something to make someone go away. But one is in Edinburgh and tries to prove to her flatmates that Tories are not something out of a Harry Potter novel and the other doesn't live here anymore. Its a mystery.
Wrong. I can't muck around with my proper name. I would be hauled over the coals. I think on Monday will revert as I might be in an official position as am standing at this election.
Wrong. I can't muck around with my proper name. I would be hauled over the coals. I think on Monday will revert as I might be in an official position as am standing at this election.
The fatcats in the Northumbria plod seem to have plenty of time and public money for their fun and games:
' A police chief lied to the force's top lawyer and spent public money to cover up an affair he was having with another officer, a tribunal has heard.
Revelations of a second affair at the top of Northumbria Police also emerged, as more claims about the relationships between senior officers were aired.
The allegations were made at a tribunal brought by the force's former head of legal services, Denise Aubrey.
She is claiming unfair dismissal after being sacked for gross misconduct.
The 54-year-old is also claiming sexual and disability discrimination at the hearing in North Shields.
Former chief constable Mike Craik was accused of lying to Ms Aubrey about his relationship with his assistant chief constable, Carolyn Peacock.
Mrs Peacock's chief superintendent husband, Jim, is then said to have punched Mr Craik at a barbecue after learning of the affair.
Details of a second affair involving sexual touching at work, sexualised emails and texts with references to "nipples with tassels" and "hula hoops" were also revealed, which allegedly involved assistant chief constable Greg Vant and Mr Craik's secretary, Juliet Bains. '
Wrong. I can't muck around with my proper name. I would be hauled over the coals. I think on Monday will revert as I might be in an official position as am standing at this election.
Wrong. I can't muck around with my proper name. I would be hauled over the coals. I think on Monday will revert as I might be in an official position as am standing at this election.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
In the same way that I used to be a staunch Labour voter.
The fatcats in the Northumbria plod seem to have plenty of time and public money for their fun and games:
' A police chief lied to the force's top lawyer and spent public money to cover up an affair he was having with another officer, a tribunal has heard.
Revelations of a second affair at the top of Northumbria Police also emerged, as more claims about the relationships between senior officers were aired.
The allegations were made at a tribunal brought by the force's former head of legal services, Denise Aubrey.
She is claiming unfair dismissal after being sacked for gross misconduct.
The 54-year-old is also claiming sexual and disability discrimination at the hearing in North Shields.
Former chief constable Mike Craik was accused of lying to Ms Aubrey about his relationship with his assistant chief constable, Carolyn Peacock.
Mrs Peacock's chief superintendent husband, Jim, is then said to have punched Mr Craik at a barbecue after learning of the affair.
Details of a second affair involving sexual touching at work, sexualised emails and texts with references to "nipples with tassels" and "hula hoops" were also revealed, which allegedly involved assistant chief constable Greg Vant and Mr Craik's secretary, Juliet Bains. '
You haven't really convinced me, and on the gullible stakes, I am really super gullible. But a B- for effort.
Completely off thread and lacking any political merit of any kind- I was studying Corbyn's bearded growth today, and it appears to grow up into his nostrils which rather grossed me out.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
LOL - of course mate, of course.
I kid you not Floater and Tyson, I did vote Labour for the first time today. I have found that my income has been frozen by the Tory government until 2019 and the much vaunted reduction in social rents that Cameron keeps boasting about means I have to pay the 1 % change as my social landlord increased the amount I am liable for so stuff Cameron is my view! People might say I am a nutter for doing this because ideologically I am a Tory but I wanted to get my protest in now as I don't think Cameron is going to be around long.
Even for PB anoraks that really does score marks in attention to detail - bravo..
Normally we welcome a new poster but The_Taxman with their dramatic move from the Conservatives to the rabid left wingery of Corbyn over some obscure 1% comes across as plausible as the few REMAIN proponents on here who tried to make us believe that they were wavering for LEAVE until... until that is someone said something that upset them ....
Just back from voting in the locals / spoiling in the PCC. Looks like turnout in central Leeds is piss poor.
People more interested in visiting the pub than the polling station.
Seriously, do you think South Yorkshire Police were being in any way adequately supervised by the previous arrangements over the last 30 years?
Police have real power in our society and need to be democratically accountable. I am not saying PCCs are the answer, they have very little mandate on such derisory turnouts, but surely even they are better than what we had before.?
The alternative to PCC is what they have in London and soon will have in Manchester - policing being a responsibility of the elected Mayor. While I am not in favour of elected mayors being imposed on us, it is a better option than a PCC.
On that we are in agreement. Much better. But for those areas that don't have Mayors what do you do?
Normally we welcome a new poster but The_Taxman with their dramatic move from the Conservatives to the rabid left wingery of Corbyn comes across as plausible as the few REMAIN proponents on here who tried to make us believe that they were wavering for LEAVE until... until that is someone said something that upset them ....
that's torn it and there was me wobbling thinking I wasn't a Ken Clarkite member of the blue team after all
The fatcats in the Northumbria plod seem to have plenty of time and public money for their fun and games:
' A police chief lied to the force's top lawyer and spent public money to cover up an affair he was having with another officer, a tribunal has heard.
Revelations of a second affair at the top of Northumbria Police also emerged, as more claims about the relationships between senior officers were aired.
The allegations were made at a tribunal brought by the force's former head of legal services, Denise Aubrey.
She is claiming unfair dismissal after being sacked for gross misconduct.
The 54-year-old is also claiming sexual and disability discrimination at the hearing in North Shields.
Former chief constable Mike Craik was accused of lying to Ms Aubrey about his relationship with his assistant chief constable, Carolyn Peacock.
Mrs Peacock's chief superintendent husband, Jim, is then said to have punched Mr Craik at a barbecue after learning of the affair.
Details of a second affair involving sexual touching at work, sexualised emails and texts with references to "nipples with tassels" and "hula hoops" were also revealed, which allegedly involved assistant chief constable Greg Vant and Mr Craik's secretary, Juliet Bains. '
In my experience, pissing off your head of legal is possibly the stupidest thing going. They know where all the bodies are buried, and every ugly detail.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
LOL - of course mate, of course.
I kid you not Floater and Tyson, I did vote Labour for the first time today. I have found that my income has been frozen by the Tory government until 2019 and the much vaunted reduction in social rents that Cameron keeps boasting about means I have to pay the 1 % change as my social landlord increased the amount I am liable for so stuff Cameron is my view! People might say I am a nutter for doing this because ideologically I am a Tory but I wanted to get my protest in now as I don't think Cameron is going to be around long.
Have you not benefitted from the doubling of the personal allowance since 2010?
I think after more than 11 years of toiling away on this site that is the first compliment I have ever been given here, and perhaps my first ever..ever...in my life.
You haven't really convinced me, and on the gullible stakes, I am really super gullible. But a B- for effort.
Completely off thread and lacking any political merit of any kind- I was studying Corbyn's bearded growth today, and it appears to grow up into his nostrils which rather grossed me out.
John McDonnell is a far superior performer to Jeremy Corbyn.
I have up until today been a staunch Conservative voter, however since voting Conservative for the last time in the 2015 General Election I have slowly but surely moved toward the Labour party. I voted Labour in the local elections and Labour as my first choice for PPC, I chose the Lib Dems for my second vote.
The Conservatives under Cameron and Osborne are not One Nation Conservatives but rather Thatcherites of the most extreme order. The punitive cost of their administration on the poor and vulnerable has forced me to cross the Rubicon from Tory voter to Labour supporter despite the Corbyn takeover. I don’t like Corbyn’s defence policy or his immigration free for all. However, I thought voting Labour sends a better signal to the two chumps in Downing street than spoiling my ballot.
So, I took the bull by the horns today and thought in my own way to mount a solitary signal to Cameron and Osborne, which is F**k You! You have failed and are useless pair who need to be removed asap.
I did think about saving my protest until the European referendum, however I see no advantage in exit so I thought I would get my little protest in first and vote to remain in the EU later.
Democracy is a beautiful thing!
LOL - of course mate, of course.
I kid you not Floater and Tyson, I did vote Labour for the first time today. I have found that my income has been frozen by the Tory government until 2019 and the much vaunted reduction in social rents that Cameron keeps boasting about means I have to pay the 1 % change as my social landlord increased the amount I am liable for so stuff Cameron is my view! People might say I am a nutter for doing this because ideologically I am a Tory but I wanted to get my protest in now as I don't think Cameron is going to be around long.
Even for PB anoraks that really does score marks in attention to detail - bravo..
Another SNP landslide then, and in the south west meaning they might have taken every fptp seat.
Technically given the SNP have already won most of the constituencies anyway it would not be a landslide but little change, to get anywhere near a further landslide they would need to sweep most of the Borders too, the interest is really how close the Tories get to Labour for second
As a lifelong Lib Dem I have been appalled by Zac Cameron and his awful cat whistle campaign, Jeremy's lovely honesty had convinced me to switch the habits of 80 years and vote Labour,
Therehave been so many people on this site saying they have switched the habit of a lifetime from which ever party to vote Labour ! I hope wherever a party resorts to fear mongering on the scale of Zac's campaign gets crushed!
Another SNP landslide then, and in the south west meaning they might have taken every fptp seat.
There is a long and fine tradition of hat eating but if turnout in any of the Scottish regions reaches 80% after this lacklustre campaign I will join them.
Normally we welcome a new poster but The_Taxman with their dramatic move from the Conservatives to the rabid left wingery of Corbyn over some obscure 1% comes across as plausible as the few REMAIN proponents on here who tried to make us believe that they were wavering for LEAVE until... until that is someone said something that upset them ....
Well, if you won't welcome a new poster, I will.
Welcome, Mr Taxman - I don't care who you are or have been if anyone.
The best thing I can offer is to paraphrase the famous lyrics:
"Idiots to the Left of me, Cretins to the Right Here I am stuck in the Middle it seems"
Lisa Nandy. 20%? I don't get it. What has she done to be a contender? You can sort of, maybe, just about, see a case for Starmer or Jarvis. But even then, that's a stretch.
You need a candidate, who has demonstrated in opposition that they can make an impact and ideally land a blow.
Heidi Alexander?
I don't think she's been especially impressive TBH, given the opportunity she's had during the doctors' strike. I've barely noticed her.
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C'mon you Forest!!!
No second choice.
Kipper? Not a chance
Conservative? No way.
Labour? A Lord of Corbyns party. Back of the queue.
At that point, 58 people had voted out of around 1,020 eligible.
I exercised my prerogative earlier - and then went over to the Church Hall to vote with Mrs Stodge. I'd say a steady trickle at 8.15 - about what I'd expect for a local election round here.
Medium sized political drama in the last few minutes as we've been treated to the sight and sound of a Labour loudspeaker - a Labour loudspeaker - scuttling round the streets trying to get the vote out.
Sorry, I went a bit Kinnock there for a moment.
Perhaps our resident Conservative cheerleader, Dixie, may be on to something or just on something as anyone who spends their Bank Holiday following Zac Goldsmith around south west London must be a few postal votes short of an election complaint (little bit of politics, my name's Stodge, good night !)
Sorry, I went a bit Ben Elton there for a moment.
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Predictions - some gains, some losses all round. As is usually the case, there'll be something for everyone. No one will do as well as they hope or as badly as their opponents hope.
The Sun will rise in the east tomorrow and it will be a lovely day - unfortunately, I have to be at work and hoping South West Trains have resolved their "little local difficulty" in the Vauxhall area.
Police have real power in our society and need to be democratically accountable. I am not saying PCCs are the answer, they have very little mandate on such derisory turnouts, but surely even they are better than what we had before.?
*awaits ban*
Apart from a few wards changing from being called X to being called X and Y it doesn't look like any real change.
"painfully slow"
In the first election I fought, everyone was telling me it was going to be close between me and the Conservative - I got 36%, the Conservative got 55%.
There is so much misinformation and disinformation flying around (which has only multiplied exponentially by the coming of Twitter) it's best to follow the real numbers which should be known by only a few (and that excludes the candidates who I would keep well out of the way of anything and everything).
https://www.lgbce.org.uk/news/electoral-review/local-electoral-arrangements-finalised-for-sheffield-city-council
As I am exhausted, on that bombshell I will bid everyone good night.
He's currently backable at 40/1 (was available at 50/1 yesterday).
Value.
Completely off thread and lacking any political merit of any kind- I was studying Corbyn's bearded growth today, and it appears to grow up into his nostrils which rather grossed me out.
' A police chief lied to the force's top lawyer and spent public money to cover up an affair he was having with another officer, a tribunal has heard.
Revelations of a second affair at the top of Northumbria Police also emerged, as more claims about the relationships between senior officers were aired.
The allegations were made at a tribunal brought by the force's former head of legal services, Denise Aubrey.
She is claiming unfair dismissal after being sacked for gross misconduct.
The 54-year-old is also claiming sexual and disability discrimination at the hearing in North Shields.
Former chief constable Mike Craik was accused of lying to Ms Aubrey about his relationship with his assistant chief constable, Carolyn Peacock.
Mrs Peacock's chief superintendent husband, Jim, is then said to have punched Mr Craik at a barbecue after learning of the affair.
Details of a second affair involving sexual touching at work, sexualised emails and texts with references to "nipples with tassels" and "hula hoops" were also revealed, which allegedly involved assistant chief constable Greg Vant and Mr Craik's secretary, Juliet Bains. '
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-36215471
... that's me voting remain once and for all.
Still I'll take what I get.
Black slaves were treated better than the Irish in America.
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/sinn-fein-mep-ridiculed-after-support-for-adams-over-slavery-1-7363720
My mistake. It was a follow on from my earlier post.
South West Edinburgh, not South West Scotland.
"If you are inside the polling station OR IN THE QUEUE OUTSIDE at 10.00pm you will still be allowed to vote."
With 9 people having voted at mine all day at 7.30pm I don't think that is going to be a problem this time.
Assume there will be a rush in the 7 minutes after the Liverpool match finishes.
Welcome, Mr Taxman - I don't care who you are or have been if anyone.
The best thing I can offer is to paraphrase the famous lyrics:
"Idiots to the Left of me, Cretins to the Right
Here I am stuck in the Middle it seems"