Wonder how wise it was for Cam to slag off Trump when he thought he couldn't win.
Another crass decision by no 10.
Not only crass - but why did he do it? Trump is advocating: 1. 'America first' in foreign policy. 2. Defending immigration law 3. Smashing ISIS 4. Keeping Islam at arms length and being instinctively hostile to its aims 5. No more cosy with Saudi 6. Make healthcare cheaper by allowing inter-state competition in provision and use of generic drugs. 7. An expansionary economic policy and sound money 8. etc
It's not a million miles from an American Patrick Manifesto. He is not a Hitler or a David Icke. He is a pragmatist. The Trump hate is way overblown and founded almost entirely on the rejection of the cosy establishment / MSM status quo that his whole campaign represents. How very dare the plebs land a blow on the blob.
Trump may be a blowhard but when you look at what he is actually proposing he has a perfectly viable agenda. Better than HRC's! What we saw from Dave was a deep-state establishment figure sneering at an outsider, just because. Fuck you Dave! I bet Gove thinks Trump is OK really, just needs to tone it down a bit.
So, is there value in the POTUS market now? Probably yes, the 3.8 or so on Trump is likely to shorten at some point during the campaign, even if Hillary is gonna win this in the end.
His argument was that he needed to work with people who disagree with him, such as Uncle Toms like the Quilliam Foundation.
No, that wasn't what he was saying at all. Both he and the interviewer singled out the Quilliam Foundation as someone who he DID agree with, and the interviewer was asking why he didn't also talk to people who they didn't agree with [i.e. more anti-government hardline Muslim groups].
See from 3:22 (starting with the interviewer's question "there's been some criticism that your department is only speaking to people who agree with your policies, like the Quilliam Foundation - when are you going to start talking to people who disagree with you?"
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
So I'll ask again: how would it make sense for him to be insulting Muslims seconds after saying he agreed with them?
When you're explaining at this level - you're losing. We all know what Uncle Tom means. Sadiq used it and also said it was racist. That's the point.
Have you watched the video for yourself, or are you still solely basing it on the Daily Mail headline?
I've just watched it. I don't have an axe to grind against Khan. To me it seems that he uses the phrase in its traditional pejorative sense. It makes complete sense that way - he's saying that you have to speak to the whole range of people, not just those that are on-side with the establishment. Of course, you're right that it was a really bizarre choice of words.
Anyway, he'll be mayor in a couple of days regardless.
But the thing is this would not really make sense with the pejorative term -- the implication of "Uncle Tom" as an insult would be that Muslims are traitors for working with white Establishment figures, but why would Khan be using the term like that seconds after saying how he thought it was a good thing that Muslim groups actually WERE working with government??
Oh, I agree. It was a terrible choice of words. But he was speaking at a rush and not so experienced at being interviewed as he is now. Words do escape our lips at times that are not well considered. I mean, Christ, the things I've said at times...
Mr. Royale, enough understand that to use it (my French is almost zero, and I get it). Besides, sometimes having something that's only understood by some can work well, because it gets people talking about what it means.
"Uncle Tom's Cabin was the best-selling novel of the 19th century"
well I never knew that
Abraham Lincoln allegedly greeted Harriet Beecher Stowe in 1862 by saying "So this is the little woman who wrote the book that started this great war". He was, presumably, exaggerating the point but all the same, the point was not entirely without foundation.
So, is there value in the POTUS market now? Probably yes, the 3.8 or so on Trump is likely to shorten at some point during the campaign, even if Hillary is gonna win this in the end.
I think this will get a whole lot closer. There are so many opportunities for things to go wrong for Hillary. An interview with the FBI under caution is just one possibility. There are persistent rumours about her health.
And there is all the usual Clinton baggage in relation to speeches, money, foundations, her husband etc etc. Chances of a Trump lead at some point must be high, even if she is still favourite in the end.
Danny565 Stop making excuses for this man...If he had meant to say Uncle Tom Cobley then why didn't he,,He plainly said Uncle Tom.. and we all know what that means
Like I said last night: why would he be insulting someone a minute after explaining why he was working with them? Why would he be saying it was a bad thing for Muslims to work with the government, when KHAN HIMSELF was in charge of the government talking to Muslims at the time of the video?!?
His argument was that he needed to work with people who disagree with him, such as Uncle Toms like the Quilliam Foundation.
No, that wasn't what he was saying at all. Both he and the interviewer singled out the Quilliam Foundation as someone who he DID agree with, and the interviewer was asking why he didn't also talk to people who they didn't agree with [i.e. more anti-government hardline Muslim groups].
See from 3:22 (starting with the interviewer's question "there's been some criticism that your department is only speaking to people who agree with your policies, like the Quilliam Foundation - when are you going to start talking to people who disagree with you?"
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
So I'll ask again: how would it make sense for him to be insulting Muslims seconds after saying he agreed with them?
When you're explaining at this level - you're losing. We all know what Uncle Tom means. Sadiq used it and also said it was racist. That's the point.
Have you watched the video for yourself, or are you still solely basing it on the Daily Mail headline?
I've just watched it. I don't have an axe to grind against Khan. To me it seems that he uses the phrase in its traditional pejorative sense. It makes complete sense that way - he's saying that you have to speak to the whole range of people, not just those that are on-side with the establishment. Of course, you're right that it was a really bizarre choice of words.
Anyway, he'll be mayor in a couple of days regardless.
But the thing is this would not really make sense with the pejorative term -- the implication of "Uncle Tom" as an insult would be that Muslims are traitors for working with white Establishment figures, but why would Khan be using the term like that seconds after saying how he thought it was a good thing that Muslim groups actually WERE working with government??
He thinks it is good that people are being traitors? Useful idiots?
On the subject of the Mayoral elections, I have absolutely no idea who I am going to vote for. I shall be visiting the polling station because I have a proxy vote to cast, but what I do on my own behalf is in the lap of the gods.
Yesterday someone (apologies can't remember who) put it v well:
A cr*p party and an ok candidate or an ok party and a cr*p candidate.
I am seriously thinking of not voting. Not in a NOTA sense just a meh sense (and I *hate* the thought of not voting). In the end I will probably vote Zac because although it turns my stomach to see a self-entitled, priveleged, inconsequential, enviroloon get anywhere near the reins of power, he might just be ineffectual enough for us not to notice his tenure in office.
Then again I might vote for Sadiq.
You're thinking of voting for Labour? What happened to you? Were the Leave side so beastly to you that you've jumped ship or something?
Leave side beastly? It was like being mauled by a dead sheep, so I suppose so.
Like many who live in London (eg. Boris-voting Lab supporters), I disassociate the London Mayor with party politics. It is a personality game, and I find the choice on offer extremely troubling. As mentioned in my first post, I will probably end up voting Zac but the nose will be held.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Indeed it might. Another cunning plan of Baldrick proportions.
So, is there value in the POTUS market now? Probably yes, the 3.8 or so on Trump is likely to shorten at some point during the campaign, even if Hillary is gonna win this in the end.
I think this will get a whole lot closer. There are so many opportunities for things to go wrong for Hillary. An interview with the FBI under caution is just one possibility. There are persistent rumours about her health.
And there is all the usual Clinton baggage in relation to speeches, money, foundations, her husband etc etc. Chances of a Trump lead at some point must be high, even if she is still favourite in the end.
That's what I'm considering this morning. I think Trump's odds are about right but there could be a lot of trade value in him.
And there is all the usual Clinton baggage in relation to speeches, money, foundations, her husband etc etc. Chances of a Trump lead at some point must be high, even if she is still favourite in the end.
The chances of Trump leading the polls is high, but the betting is another matter. I think there will be limited opportunities for trading because, similarly to the GOP race, people won't believe he can win until he has.
So, is there value in the POTUS market now? Probably yes, the 3.8 or so on Trump is likely to shorten at some point during the campaign, even if Hillary is gonna win this in the end.
Maybe so, but nothing like the value available just 8 days ago when with Pulpstar's timely prompting, I was backing Trump to be the next POTUS at odds of 6.4 (6.13 net) with Betfair. That's a mighty long way from his current best price of 3.8!
And there is all the usual Clinton baggage in relation to speeches, money, foundations, her husband etc etc. Chances of a Trump lead at some point must be high, even if she is still favourite in the end.
The chances of Trump leading the polls is high, but the betting is another matter. I think there will be limited opportunities for trading because, similarly to the GOP race, people won't believe he can win until he has.
It's a good point but it depends how bad the mishap for Hillary is.
His argument was that he needed to work with people who disagree with him, such as Uncle Toms like the Quilliam Foundation.
No, that wasn't what he was saying at all. Both he and the interviewer singled out the Quilliam Foundation as someone who he DID agree with, and the interviewer was asking why he didn't also talk to people who they didn't agree with [i.e. more anti-government hardline Muslim groups].
See from 3:22 (starting with the interviewer's question "there's been some criticism that your department is only speaking to people who agree with your policies, like the Quilliam Foundation - when are you going to start talking to people who disagree with you?"
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
So I'll ask again: how would it make sense for him to be insulting Muslims seconds after saying he agreed with them?
When you're explaining at this level - you're losing. We all know what Uncle Tom means. Sadiq used it and also said it was racist. That's the point.
Have you watched the video for yourself, or are you still solely basing it on the Daily Mail headline?
I've just watched it. I don't have an axe to grind against Khan. To me it seems that he uses the phrase in its traditional pejorative sense. It makes complete sense that way - he's saying that you have to speak to the whole range of people, not just those that are on-side with the establishment. Of course, you're right that it was a really bizarre choice of words.
Anyway, he'll be mayor in a couple of days regardless.
But the thing is this would not really make sense with the pejorative term -- the implication of "Uncle Tom" as an insult would be that Muslims are traitors for working with white Establishment figures, but why would Khan be using the term like that seconds after saying how he thought it was a good thing that Muslim groups actually WERE working with government??
Oh, I agree. It was a terrible choice of words. But he was speaking at a rush and not so experienced at being interviewed as he is now. Words do escape our lips at times that are not well considered. I mean, Christ, the things I've said at times...
He was a government minister speaking on his brief, wasn't he?
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
Wonder how wise it was for Cam to slag off Trump when he thought he couldn't win.
Another crass decision by no 10.
Not only crass - but why did he do it? Trump is advocating: 1. 'America first' in foreign policy. 2. Defending immigration law 3. Smashing ISIS 4. Keeping Islam at arms length and being instinctively hostile to its aims 5. No more cosy with Saudi 6. Make healthcare cheaper by allowing inter-state competition in provision and use of generic drugs. 7. An expansionary economic policy and sound money 8. etc
It's not a million miles from an American Patrick Manifesto. He is not a Hitler or a David Icke. He is a pragmatist. The Trump hate is way overblown and founded almost entirely on the rejection of the cosy establishment / MSM status quo that his whole campaign represents. How very dare the plebs land a blow on the blob.
Trump may be a blowhard but when you look at what he is actually proposing he has a perfectly viable agenda. Better than HRC's! What we saw from Dave was a deep-state establishment figure sneering at an outsider, just because. Fuck you Dave! I bet Gove thinks Trump is OK really, just needs to tone it down a bit.
Over the entire primary season so far - the MSM sneering has been epic, and they've no idea why Trumps so popular. Must be all those stupid, vulgar, easily led voters that fall for it... it's incredibly snobby insider stuff. And Matthew Parris is our perfect example of the genre.
There was an infamous example of IIRC a NYT journalist who made up an intv with a Trump supporter - he clearly didn't know any nor considered even trying to find one.
I personally made the mistake of regarding Trump’s candidacy as a stunt, scoffing at the idea that he could be the nominee. Mea culpa.
We failed to take Trump seriously because of a third media failing: We were largely oblivious to the pain among working-class Americans and thus didn’t appreciate how much his message resonated. “The media has been out of touch with these Americans,” Curry notes.
Media elites rightly talk about our insufficient racial, ethnic and gender diversity, but we also lack economic diversity. We inhabit a middle-class world and don’t adequately cover the part of America that is struggling and seething. We spend too much time talking to senators, not enough to the jobless.
Mr. 565, aimed at me? [Been a while since I've been called a PBTory].
No, not aimed at you, it was at the people last night who were shrieking about how Khan was calling moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms", even though one look at the video would have shown people that it wasn't directed at moderate Muslims at all.
It was quite something -- even when I've disagreed with PBers before, I've never known so many to just take a Guido Fawkes or Daily Mail headline at face value without doing even the most basic of their own research first.
Who was it aimed at? Uncle Tom is a revolting term - like Coconut, but with more historical baggage.
No idea, but one watch of the video would've shown that it wouldn't make sense for him to be insulting moderate Muslims, since it came literally SECONDS after he was saying how important it was for Muslims to work with the Quilliam Foundation [one of the leading moderate Muslim groups].
Some have suggested he probably meant "Uncle Tom Cobley" (as in, "speak to every tom dick and harry") ratther than the "Uncle Tom's Cabin" meaning.
All this discussion of moderate muslims betrays an implicit acceptance that the UK has immoderate muslim(s) (groups).
His argument was that he needed to work with people who disagree with him, such as Uncle Toms like the Quilliam Foundation.
No, that wasn't what he was saying at all. Both he and the interviewer singled out the Quilliam Foundation as someone who he DID agree with, and the interviewer was asking why he didn't also talk to people who they didn't agree with [i.e. more anti-government hardline Muslim groups].
See from 3:22 (starting with the interviewer's question "there's been some criticism that your department is only speaking to people who agree with your policies, like the Quilliam Foundation - when are you going to start talking to people who disagree with you?"
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
So I'll ask again: how would it make sense for him to be insulting Muslims seconds after saying he agreed with them?
When you're explaining at this level - you're losing. We all know what Uncle Tom means. Sadiq used it and also said it was racist. That's the point.
Have you watched the video for yourself, or are you still solely basing it on the Daily Mail headline?
I've just watched it. I don't have an axe to grind against Khan. To me it seems that he uses the phrase in its traditional pejorative sense. It makes complete sense that way - he's saying that you have to speak to the whole range of people, not just those that are on-side with the establishment. Of course, you're right that it was a really bizarre choice of words.
Anyway, he'll be mayor in a couple of days regardless.
But the thing is this would not really make sense with the pejorative term -- the implication of "Uncle Tom" as an insult would be that Muslims are traitors for working with white Establishment figures, but why would Khan be using the term like that seconds after saying how he thought it was a good thing that Muslim groups actually WERE working with government??
Oh, I agree. It was a terrible choice of words. But he was speaking at a rush and not so experienced at being interviewed as he is now. Words do escape our lips at times that are not well considered. I mean, Christ, the things I've said at times...
He was a government minister speaking on his brief, wasn't he?
As I said, it's probably more a consequence of his upbringing more than anything else. It speaks volumes that Khan would use such a phrase to refer to moderate Muslims though, even if he did it unknowingly.
His argument was that he needed to work with people who disagree with him, such as Uncle Toms like the Quilliam Foundation.
No, that wasn't what he was saying at all. Both he and the interviewer singled out the Quilliam Foundation as someone who he DID agree with, and the interviewer was asking why he didn't also talk to people who they didn't agree with [i.e. more anti-government hardline Muslim groups].
See from 3:22 (starting with the interviewer's question "there's been some criticism that your department is only speaking to people who agree with your policies, like the Quilliam Foundation - when are you going to start talking to people who disagree with you?"
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-5danu5rQ
So I'll ask again: how would it make sense for him to be insulting Muslims seconds after saying he agreed with them?
When you're explaining at this level - you're losing. We all know what Uncle Tom means. Sadiq used it and also said it was racist. That's the point.
Have you watched the video for yourself, or are you still solely basing it on the Daily Mail headline?
I've just watched it. I don't have an axe to grind against Khan. To me it seems that he uses the phrase in its traditional pejorative sense. It makes complete sense that way - he's saying that you have to speak to the whole range of people, not just those that are on-side with the establishment. Of course, you're right that it was a really bizarre choice of words.
Anyway, he'll be mayor in a couple of days regardless.
But the thing is this would not really make sense with the pejorative term -- the implication of "Uncle Tom" as an insult would be that Muslims are traitors for working with white Establishment figures, but why would Khan be using the term like that seconds after saying how he thought it was a good thing that Muslim groups actually WERE working with government??
Oh, I agree. It was a terrible choice of words. But he was speaking at a rush and not so experienced at being interviewed as he is now. Words do escape our lips at times that are not well considered. I mean, Christ, the things I've said at times...
He was a government minister speaking on his brief, wasn't he?
So, is there value in the POTUS market now? Probably yes, the 3.8 or so on Trump is likely to shorten at some point during the campaign, even if Hillary is gonna win this in the end.
Maybe so, but nothing like the value available just 8 days ago when with Pulpstar's timely prompting, I was backing Trump to be the next POTUS at odds of 6.4 (6.13 net) with Betfair. That's a mighty long way from his current best price of 3.8!
True, I've also been backing the Donald for POTUS for a while.
I guess the question for those who have backed him at longer odds is when/whether to lay off. Not yet, I think.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Mr. 565, aimed at me? [Been a while since I've been called a PBTory].
No, not aimed at you, it was at the people last night who were shrieking about how Khan was calling moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms", even though one look at the video would have shown people that it wasn't directed at moderate Muslims at all.
It was quite something -- even when I've disagreed with PBers before, I've never known so many to just take a Guido Fawkes or Daily Mail headline at face value without doing even the most basic of their own research first.
Who was it aimed at? Uncle Tom is a revolting term - like Coconut, but with more historical baggage.
No idea, but one watch of the video would've shown that it wouldn't make sense for him to be insulting moderate Muslims, since it came literally SECONDS after he was saying how important it was for Muslims to work with the Quilliam Foundation [one of the leading moderate Muslim groups].
Some have suggested he probably meant "Uncle Tom Cobley" (as in, "speak to every tom dick and harry") ratther than the "Uncle Tom's Cabin" meaning.
All this discussion of moderate muslims betrays an implicit acceptance that the UK has immoderate muslim(s) (groups).
Also 'moderate' implies being on the same spectrum, not someone who fundamentally rejects something. Is someone who believes in fighting for political Islam by democratic means rather than through violence a moderate?
Off topic, is there anyone here who knows about breakdown insurance?
I've just had my renewal premium through from the AA: £202.50 for roadside recovery, relay and home start. That's almost as much as I pay for my fully comp car insurance.
Off topic, is there anyone here who knows about breakdown insurance?
I've just had my renewal premium through from the AA: £202.50 for roadside recovery, relay and home start. That's almost as much as I pay for my fully comp car insurance.
I think they're taking the Frau Merkel.
Are there any better offers out there?
I used Green Flag on line at an annual premium for 'recovery plus' of £51.46 renewed in January 2016
Most brokers have their pet schemes - but are often limited to the car insured, The AA is expensive but at least you get cover for every car you drive and every member of your family IIRC. (Not sure what GF do). Since GF is owned by Direct Line I studiously avoid them - conflict of interest). Some policies will provide breakdown cover automatically e.g. Zurich standard contracts provide roadside assistance and recovery when you are away from home.
Ultimately price is not everything - when you go with the AA you get one of their fleet of dedicated vehicles to come and sort things out, with GF they tend (I think) to use nearby garages.
You get an AA lorry when it's available. Usually a local garage would be quicker.
Mr. 565, aimed at me? [Been a while since I've been called a PBTory].
No, not aimed at you, it was at the people last night who were shrieking about how Khan was calling moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms", even though one look at the video would have shown people that it wasn't directed at moderate Muslims at all.
It was quite something -- even when I've disagreed with PBers before, I've never known so many to just take a Guido Fawkes or Daily Mail headline at face value without doing even the most basic of their own research first.
Who was it aimed at? Uncle Tom is a revolting term - like Coconut, but with more historical baggage.
No idea, but one watch of the video would've shown that it wouldn't make sense for him to be insulting moderate Muslims, since it came literally SECONDS after he was saying how important it was for Muslims to work with the Quilliam Foundation [one of the leading moderate Muslim groups].
Some have suggested he probably meant "Uncle Tom Cobley" (as in, "speak to every tom dick and harry") ratther than the "Uncle Tom's Cabin" meaning.
All this discussion of moderate muslims betrays an implicit acceptance that the UK has immoderate muslim(s) (groups).
Also 'moderate' implies being on the same spectrum, not someone who fundamentally rejects something. Is someone who believes in fighting for political Islam by democratic means rather than through violence a moderate?
Unfortunately in a broad definition they would be considered moderate in this country, though my personal definition would be a no. Anyone who fights for religious law and religious police should be considered a dangerous radical.
So, is there value in the POTUS market now? Probably yes, the 3.8 or so on Trump is likely to shorten at some point during the campaign, even if Hillary is gonna win this in the end.
Maybe so, but nothing like the value available just 8 days ago when with Pulpstar's timely prompting, I was backing Trump to be the next POTUS at odds of 6.4 (6.13 net) with Betfair. That's a mighty long way from his current best price of 3.8!
True, I've also been backing the Donald for POTUS for a while.
I guess the question for those who have backed him at longer odds is when/whether to lay off. Not yet, I think.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
They all stick because they're all true; Lyin' Ted Crooked Hillary Low energy Jeb Little Marco Fiorina's face Kaisich's table manners.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
They all stick because they're all true; Lyin' Ted Crooked Hillary Low energy Jeb Little Marco Fiorina's face Kaisich's table manners.
Don't remember the last one but as a marketing strategy it has proved little short of brilliant. He is still being underestimated.
Off topic, is there anyone here who knows about breakdown insurance?
I've just had my renewal premium through from the AA: £202.50 for roadside recovery, relay and home start. That's almost as much as I pay for my fully comp car insurance.
I think they're taking the Frau Merkel.
Are there any better offers out there?
I am with GEM Motoring Assist , not the cheapest but great service at a reasonable price. Think I pay just over £80 for all bells and whistles.
On Khan - "Uncle Tom" is a pejorative term, there is absolutely no doubt about it. The issue is how it came to be used by him. Was it suggested to him previously, either off camera or in the bit of the interview that Guido does not provide, that those Moslems who engage are regarded by some people as Uncle Toms? if so, I think it is a much more understandable - clumsy rather than indicative. If it just sprang from his head without a prompt of some kind then it is a lot more damaging and potentially worrying.
What I don't understand is why there wasn't a furore back then. Khan was actually a government minister when he gave that interview.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
An experienced Politician would never use that phrase...unless it was to make a point .. Khan must have known what it meant ...or he is just stupid.
I’m sure Khan is familiar with the phrase and its meaning, as you have said, no experienced UK Politician would use such a term, but then the interview was not for a domestic audience.
On Khan - "Uncle Tom" is a pejorative term, there is absolutely no doubt about it. The issue is how it came to be used by him. Was it suggested to him previously, either off camera or in the bit of the interview that Guido does not provide, that those Moslems who engage are regarded by some people as Uncle Toms? if so, I think it is a much more understandable - clumsy rather than indicative. If it just sprang from his head without a prompt of some kind then it is a lot more damaging and potentially worrying.
What I don't understand is why there wasn't a furore back then. Khan was actually a government minister when he gave that interview.
How many Britons watch Iranian Press TV? It could have slipped through the cracks then, had he said it on Newsnight there like would have been a furore back then.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Tbh, I don't think the Tories thought they had anything in Scotland, ever.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Were the tories even asked? I think it was a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition that fixed it.
An experienced Politician would never use that phrase...unless it was to make a point .. Khan must have known what it meant ...or he is just stupid.
I’m sure Khan is familiar with the phrase and its meaning, as you have said, no experienced UK Politician would use such a term, but then the interview was not for a domestic audience.
Yes, calling moderate Muslims names and putting them in league with dirty infidels probably passes as normal on Iranian TV.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
What he has done is remarkable. Against an enormous field of establishment figures, serving governors and senators he has totally dominated the story line, the coverage and ultimately the results. It bemuses me that people think he is just lucky or something.
... I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc...
I don't think that the position of women in Saudi Arabia is of much salience in the US.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
I think Trump's nightmare candidate is Biden. The FBI can eliminate Hillary, I don't know how to the Dems could remove Bernie before parachuting Joe in.
Mr. 565, aimed at me? [Been a while since I've been called a PBTory].
No, not aimed at you, it was at the people last night who were shrieking about how Khan was calling moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms", even though one look at the video would have shown people that it wasn't directed at moderate Muslims at all.
It was quite something -- even when I've disagreed with PBers before, I've never known so many to just take a Guido Fawkes or Daily Mail headline at face value without doing even the most basic of their own research first.
Who was it aimed at? Uncle Tom is a revolting term - like Coconut, but with more historical baggage.
Danny seems to think it was aimed at extremists, god knows how he makes that leap of logic.
Khan has himself said it is a racist term, so rather hoisted by his own petard isn't he.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Crooked Hillary has all the problems of being true given her past from Whitewater to now.
On Khan - "Uncle Tom" is a pejorative term, there is absolutely no doubt about it. The issue is how it came to be used by him. Was it suggested to him previously, either off camera or in the bit of the interview that Guido does not provide, that those Moslems who engage are regarded by some people as Uncle Toms? if so, I think it is a much more understandable - clumsy rather than indicative. If it just sprang from his head without a prompt of some kind then it is a lot more damaging and potentially worrying.
What I don't understand is why there wasn't a furore back then. Khan was actually a government minister when he gave that interview.
How many Britons watch Iranian Press TV? It could have slipped through the cracks then, had he said it on Newsnight there like would have been a furore back then.
I would imagine that Press TV is constantly monitored by UK political parties, bloggers, other parts of the media and even the security authorities, even if no-one else watches it. The video would have had to have been recorded at the time for it to have appeared now. Someone passed it to Guido and the Mail. This could have caused a stink back then, so it surprises me it has just surfaced now.
Leave side beastly? It was like being mauled by a dead sheep, so I suppose so.
Like many who live in London (eg. Boris-voting Lab supporters), I disassociate the London Mayor with party politics. It is a personality game, and I find the choice on offer extremely troubling. As mentioned in my first post, I will probably end up voting Zac but the nose will be held.
Vote khan for mayor and ukip/tory for assembley. If zac wins they (tories) will be like oh o.k this kind of campaigning works this is what we need to do, and American politics will start to look friendly.
... I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc...
I don't think that the position of women in Saudi Arabia is of much salience in the US.
I don't think so either, but it destroys her claim of being a feminist. It isn't about winning over women for Trump, but making sure that Hillary has a hard time getting support from one of her strong constituencies. He will seek to damage her rather than try and win votes for himself and given how weak a candidate she is, it has a good chance of working. Especially with the completely unenthusiastic or, err, low energy support from the Sanders camp, it is going to be tough for Hillary.
An experienced Politician would never use that phrase...unless it was to make a point .. Khan must have known what it meant ...or he is just stupid.
Why would someone use it, unless they knew what it meant? It's not some random transient fashionable expression - it's very specific, long established and very well known by people in his age range.
Mr. 565, aimed at me? [Been a while since I've been called a PBTory].
No, not aimed at you, it was at the people last night who were shrieking about how Khan was calling moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms", even though one look at the video would have shown people that it wasn't directed at moderate Muslims at all.
It was quite something -- even when I've disagreed with PBers before, I've never known so many to just take a Guido Fawkes or Daily Mail headline at face value without doing even the most basic of their own research first.
Who was it aimed at? Uncle Tom is a revolting term - like Coconut, but with more historical baggage.
Danny seems to think it was aimed at extremists, god knows how he makes that leap of logic.
Khan has himself said it is a racist term, so rather hoisted by his own petard isn't he.
With the same logic that Khan hiring Islamists into his campaign is a sign he is the guy to vote for and that Zac's campaign is racist for pointing it out.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Tbh, I don't think the Tories thought they had anything in Scotland, ever.
The Tories won 50.1% of the vote in Scotland in 1955, highest ever percentage won by a party in the UK outside NI I think?
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Were the tories even asked? I think it was a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition that fixed it.
You are probably right David, given how poor it was it would most likely be Labour and Lib Dums for sure.
Off topic, is there anyone here who knows about breakdown insurance?
I've just had my renewal premium through from the AA: £202.50 for roadside recovery, relay and home start. That's almost as much as I pay for my fully comp car insurance.
I think they're taking the Frau Merkel.
Are there any better offers out there?
I am with GEM Motoring Assist , not the cheapest but great service at a reasonable price. Think I pay just over £80 for all bells and whistles.
Instead of simply publishing an across the board rate for each category of benefits provided, I feel sure that these days the AA (and probably the RAC also therefore) base their charges much more precisely on both the age and make of the vehicle. For a number of years I drove a Toyota as did my other half. Despite both cars becoming somewhat aged, the fully comprehensive scale of benefits for both was (and still is for her indoors) approximately £65 per annum, way less than half of the AA's full advertised rates. Although marketed and billed through the Toyota brand, the service was operated by the AA, Toyota having switched from the RAC about 5 years ago. Are you by any chance driving a very, very expensive and possibly *cough* "temperamental" car Casino?
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
What he has done is remarkable. Against an enormous field of establishment figures, serving governors and senators he has totally dominated the story line, the coverage and ultimately the results. It bemuses me that people think he is just lucky or something.
The Fix is in awe of what Trump's done - said last night on Twitter it was the most remarkable thing he's seen in 18yrs of reporting politics. And he wasn't sneering.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Tbh, I don't think the Tories thought they had anything in Scotland, ever.
Would not prevent them interfering against SNP. They still do it all the time. They are implementing similar wheezes with their "extra tax powers" which are just crap. No way can anyone ever raise income tax rates if sane as it only includes PAYE so anyone with own business just takes dividends and hey presto Scotland loses all their tax to Westminster.
On PMQs, one suspects both sides will have armed their man with a list of the other party's MPs making unfortunate pronouncements, which their respective leaders will be invited to condemn.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Were the tories even asked? I think it was a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition that fixed it.
Bit difficult to ask them since they opposed the parliament being set up.
... I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc...
I don't think that the position of women in Saudi Arabia is of much salience in the US.
I don't think so either, but it destroys her claim of being a feminist. It isn't about winning over women for Trump, but making sure that Hillary has a hard time getting support from one of her strong constituencies. He will seek to damage her rather than try and win votes for himself and given how weak a candidate she is, it has a good chance of working. Especially with the completely unenthusiastic or, err, low energy support from the Sanders camp, it is going to be tough for Hillary.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Tbh, I don't think the Tories thought they had anything in Scotland, ever.
The Tories won 50.1% of the vote in Scotland in 1955, highest ever percentage won by a party in the UK outside NI I think?
I was looking at the future, but given that result was 61 years ago and the Tories have had 1 MP in Scotland since 2001, it's not really statement that is incorrect.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Were the tories even asked? I think it was a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition that fixed it.
Bit difficult to ask them since they opposed the parliament being set up.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
What he has done is remarkable. Against an enormous field of establishment figures, serving governors and senators he has totally dominated the story line, the coverage and ultimately the results. It bemuses me that people think he is just lucky or something.
Is Trump that far removed from other anti-establishment politicians such as Sanders, or Jeremy Corbyn?
Why do Conservative politicians go on that LBC show? The host constantly harasses right wingers and then plays easy balls to left wingers. It is pathetic.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
What he has done is remarkable. Against an enormous field of establishment figures, serving governors and senators he has totally dominated the story line, the coverage and ultimately the results. It bemuses me that people think he is just lucky or something.
Is Trump that far removed from other anti-establishment politicians such as Sanders, or Jeremy Corbyn?
Yes. He has never had an elected post before. Never. He is learning this game on the hoof and proved to be rather good at it. Both the others have been playing political games of one sort or another their entire adult lives.
Of course the nature of those unfavourables matter. Being disliked for being a brash New Yorker is very different to be being disliked for being corrupt and dishonest.
we get 2 votes to make the SNP feel even better about themselves
Since the 2 vote system was partly set up to stop the SNP feeling good about themselves (you're killed stone dead, you are), I guess that might be called Karma.
Poetic justice for the pathetic Labour and Tories who thought they had it all between themselves forever.
Were the tories even asked? I think it was a Labour/Lib Dem Coalition that fixed it.
Bit difficult to ask them since they opposed the parliament being set up.
Not really but it does suggest that Malcolm is stretching things a bit by claiming this is some Labour/Tory conspiracy.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
"Hillary will struggle to get the female vote" - and Trump won't struggle more?
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
"Hillary will struggle to get the female vote" - and Trump won't struggle more?
He doesn't need to get it so long as it unenthusiastically stays at home.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
Yes, Lyin' Ted was good and it really hurt as well, again because it was true. Against Sanders he would have nothing to go on which is why the Dems made a mistake by fixing the race for Hillary. Sanders is Trump's nightmare candidate and Hillary is his dream candidate, she has so many skeletons in her cupboard that he will expose.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
What he has done is remarkable. Against an enormous field of establishment figures, serving governors and senators he has totally dominated the story line, the coverage and ultimately the results. It bemuses me that people think he is just lucky or something.
Is Trump that far removed from other anti-establishment politicians such as Sanders, or Jeremy Corbyn?
Yes. He has never had an elected post before. Never. He is learning this game on the hoof and proved to be rather good at it. Both the others have been playing political games of one sort or another their entire adult lives.
Taking down senators/congressman has been remarkable - he's wrong footed them all by simply not playing their game.
Mr. 565, aimed at me? [Been a while since I've been called a PBTory].
No, not aimed at you, it was at the people last night who were shrieking about how Khan was calling moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms", even though one look at the video would have shown people that it wasn't directed at moderate Muslims at all.
It was quite something -- even when I've disagreed with PBers before, I've never known so many to just take a Guido Fawkes or Daily Mail headline at face value without doing even the most basic of their own research first.
Who was it aimed at? Uncle Tom is a revolting term - like Coconut, but with more historical baggage.
No idea, but one watch of the video would've shown that it wouldn't make sense for him to be insulting moderate Muslims, since it came literally SECONDS after he was saying how important it was for Muslims to work with the Quilliam Foundation [one of the leading moderate Muslim groups].
Some have suggested he probably meant "Uncle Tom Cobley" (as in, "speak to every tom dick and harry") ratther than the "Uncle Tom's Cabin" meaning.
Oh that is so poor. Who has suggested this and why does Khan now regret using the term?
Of course the nature of those unfavourables matter. Being disliked for being a brash New Yorker is very different to be being disliked for being corrupt and dishonest.
"Hillary will struggle to get the female vote" - and Trump won't struggle more?
As I explained to Richard, it doesn't matter. It isn't about winning over women voters, it is making sure they also despise Hillary for being a two faced hypocrite.
Could someone helpful identify for me the group of voters who it is thought might switch their allegiance over HarrietBeecherStowegate? From what I can see, everyone who has boarded the outrage bus was already a diehard Conservative.
Preston Council leader Peter Rankin explains rising anti-Semitism…
“You need to think why this anti-semitism is getting worse. It’s because of the actions of the IDF shelling schools and hospitals and killing and maiming thousands of men, women and children.”
hmm - Would he accept the same logic for rise in "islamophobia"- I think not.
I also think "Crooked Hillary" is going to stick like "Little Marco" and "Low energy Jeb". It affirms what a lot of people already think about her and is easy for his supporters to repeat over and over again.
My favourite is still Lyin' Ted. But crooked Hillary will stick.
What he has done is remarkable. Against an enormous field of establishment figures, serving governors and senators he has totally dominated the story line, the coverage and ultimately the results. It bemuses me that people think he is just lucky or something.
The Fix is in awe of what Trump's done - said last night on Twitter it was the most remarkable thing he's seen in 18yrs of reporting politics. And he wasn't sneering.
Yep. Says this:
"Trump's victory is now complete. Beginning as a punchline -- and an asterisk in polling -- Trump beat the most crowded (and one of the deepest and most accomplished) Republican fields in modern presidential history. A first time candidate, he systematically dismantled Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio -- to name just a few. And, even amid the relentless media coverage of whether Trump had peaked or whether his moment had passed, he led the race virtually wire to wire. He won in the midwest, the west, the south and the east. He won among very conservative voters and moderate voters. He won and won and won."
"Trump starts the general election -- and it starts, effectively, on Wednesday -- as a decided underdog to Clinton. But, take nothing away from what Trump has accomplished in this Republican primary. It is, simply put, the single most amazing thing I have seen in my 18 years of covering politics."
Could someone helpful identify for me the group of voters who it is thought might switch their allegiance over HarrietBeecherStowegate? From what I can see, everyone who has boarded the outrage bus was already a diehard Conservative.
Again, it isn't about switching sides, voting isn't compulsory and this will hit turnout among moderate Muslim voters who can probably recognise Khan as a conservative Muslim now.
Mr. 565, aimed at me? [Been a while since I've been called a PBTory].
No, not aimed at you, it was at the people last night who were shrieking about how Khan was calling moderate Muslims "Uncle Toms", even though one look at the video would have shown people that it wasn't directed at moderate Muslims at all.
It was quite something -- even when I've disagreed with PBers before, I've never known so many to just take a Guido Fawkes or Daily Mail headline at face value without doing even the most basic of their own research first.
Who was it aimed at? Uncle Tom is a revolting term - like Coconut, but with more historical baggage.
I think someone was trying to claim last night that Khan was calling the extremists Uncle Toms! It is very clear he was meaning people of his group that were excessively obedient to whites. That is what the term means. It is laughable to claim otherwise.
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http://order-order.com/2016/05/04/two-more-jews-rant-labour-councillors/
1. 'America first' in foreign policy.
2. Defending immigration law
3. Smashing ISIS
4. Keeping Islam at arms length and being instinctively hostile to its aims
5. No more cosy with Saudi
6. Make healthcare cheaper by allowing inter-state competition in provision and use of generic drugs.
7. An expansionary economic policy and sound money
8. etc
It's not a million miles from an American Patrick Manifesto. He is not a Hitler or a David Icke. He is a pragmatist. The Trump hate is way overblown and founded almost entirely on the rejection of the cosy establishment / MSM status quo that his whole campaign represents. How very dare the plebs land a blow on the blob.
Trump may be a blowhard but when you look at what he is actually proposing he has a perfectly viable agenda. Better than HRC's! What we saw from Dave was a deep-state establishment figure sneering at an outsider, just because. Fuck you Dave! I bet Gove thinks Trump is OK really, just needs to tone it down a bit.
well I never knew that
"Meet the New Boss - Same as the Old Boss"
And there is all the usual Clinton baggage in relation to speeches, money, foundations, her husband etc etc. Chances of a Trump lead at some point must be high, even if she is still favourite in the end.
He is talking to Iranian TV don't forget.
Like many who live in London (eg. Boris-voting Lab supporters), I disassociate the London Mayor with party politics. It is a personality game, and I find the choice on offer extremely troubling. As mentioned in my first post, I will probably end up voting Zac but the nose will be held.
http://hurryupharry.org/2016/05/04/sadiq-khan-calls-moderate-muslims-uncle-toms/
There was an infamous example of IIRC a NYT journalist who made up an intv with a Trump supporter - he clearly didn't know any nor considered even trying to find one.
This is a great read - when the penny dropped for one of the MSM. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/opinion/sunday/my-shared-shame-the-media-helped-make-trump.html
I guess the question for those who have backed him at longer odds is when/whether to lay off. Not yet, I think.
Lyin' Ted
Crooked Hillary
Low energy Jeb
Little Marco
Fiorina's face
Kaisich's table manners.
What I don't understand is why there wasn't a furore back then. Khan was actually a government minister when he gave that interview.
I've been emailing with a Trump supporter and he says that Hillary will struggle to get the female vote once the campaign starts, how will she explain to women across the US that she has taken money from and supports nations which stone and beat women to death for adultery. Until now there has been a political consensus to not go after each other's support of the Saudis but Trump won't stick to that. How can she be a feminist if she supports a regime that murders women on a regular basis for being raped etc... Expect that to become a theme every time Hillary says Trump is anti-women and, again, it is bullet proof because Trump has said he would loosen ties with the Saudis and other Islamist regimes.
The rules of war are going to change this time, Trump already smashed his GOP rivals under his new, "there is no such thing as off limits" rule, he will do the same to Hillary and over time it will damage her. Additionally, Trump can't take a shit without the internet and social media going crazy, it gives him much more exposure than any other POTUS candidate would otherwise receive in the mainstream media.
The FBI can eliminate Hillary, I don't know how to the Dems could remove Bernie before parachuting Joe in.
Khan has himself said it is a racist term, so rather hoisted by his own petard isn't he.
Jeremy Corbyn’s brother today backed Ken Livingstone and his inflammatory claims about Hitler and Zionism.
Piers Corbyn said now-suspended Mr Livingstone had been “misunderstood” and that there is “too much sensitivity” around anti-Semitism.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyns-brother-ken-livingstones-hitler-remarks-were-misunderstood-a3239491.html
Makes you long for the days of mad Gordo.
CON 33 (-3)
LAB 32 (+1)
LIB 6 (-1)
UKIP 18 (+2)
GRN 5 (=)
Fieldwork 22nd-26th April
N=1,298
Tabs w.ly/4npaMO
Leave side beastly? It was like being mauled by a dead sheep, so I suppose so.
Like many who live in London (eg. Boris-voting Lab supporters), I disassociate the London Mayor with party politics. It is a personality game, and I find the choice on offer extremely troubling. As mentioned in my first post, I will probably end up voting Zac but the nose will be held.
Vote khan for mayor and ukip/tory for assembley. If zac wins they (tories) will be like oh o.k this kind of campaigning works this is what we need to do, and American politics will start to look friendly.
Although marketed and billed through the Toyota brand, the service was operated by the AA, Toyota having switched from the RAC about 5 years ago.
Are you by any chance driving a very, very expensive and possibly *cough* "temperamental" car Casino?
They are implementing similar wheezes with their "extra tax powers" which are just crap. No way can anyone ever raise income tax rates if sane as it only includes PAYE so anyone with own business just takes dividends and hey presto Scotland loses all their tax to Westminster.
“there has never been a sporting event that has produced so many experts in bookmakers’ liabilities.”
Well, quite.
https://gemsandrhinestones.com/
http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/05/03/finkelstein-breaks-his-silence-tells-holocaust-mongers-it-is-time-to-crawl-back-into-your-sewer/
On PMQs, one suspects both sides will have armed their man with a list of the other party's MPs making unfortunate pronouncements, which their respective leaders will be invited to condemn.
Remain 43 (+2)
Leave 45 (nc)
Field work 22nd April to 26th April
http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-eu-referendum-poll-0516/
"We’re big fans of Mandy. Tweets about his support for the euro and his support for Remain are by far our best performing on social media.”
Trump's unfavourables down to -15.
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TR30_24
Hillary at -7.
Of course the nature of those unfavourables matter. Being disliked for being a brash New Yorker is very different to be being disliked for being corrupt and dishonest.
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM752Y15_2
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/727810615968972800
“You need to think why this anti-semitism is getting worse. It’s because of the actions of the IDF shelling schools and hospitals and killing and maiming thousands of men, women and children.”
hmm - Would he accept the same logic for rise in "islamophobia"- I think not.
"Trump's victory is now complete. Beginning as a punchline -- and an asterisk in polling -- Trump beat the most crowded (and one of the deepest and most accomplished) Republican fields in modern presidential history. A first time candidate, he systematically dismantled Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and Marco Rubio -- to name just a few. And, even amid the relentless media coverage of whether Trump had peaked or whether his moment had passed, he led the race virtually wire to wire. He won in the midwest, the west, the south and the east. He won among very conservative voters and moderate voters. He won and won and won."
"Trump starts the general election -- and it starts, effectively, on Wednesday -- as a decided underdog to Clinton. But, take nothing away from what Trump has accomplished in this Republican primary. It is, simply put, the single most amazing thing I have seen in my 18 years of covering politics."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/03/winners-and-losers-from-the-indiana-primary/