'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
More people had to move when India was partitioned...
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
An independent Kurdistan was to have been set up in what is today SE Turkey under the Treaty of Sevres (1920) but the area was conquered by Ataturk's forces and was recognised by the Allies as part of Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne (1923).
I have just started reading Rogan's book on the Fall of the Ottoman Empire. Very interesting so far.
I liked Zac Goldsmith and had high hopes for him in the Tory party but the way he has run his election campaign here with the never ending smears had been quite disgraceful.
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
Entirely off topic, I've been punting some stuff on Ebay. There appears to a be a new category in the 'Item specifics' category for trousers, 'Erotic?'. Anyone know what the erotic element might be in a pair of green cords?
The person wearing them?
These cords are more David Coburn than David Beckham. I doubt Adonis himself could inject eroticism into them.
I liked Zac Goldsmith and had high hopes for him in the Tory party but the way he has run his election campaign here with the never ending smears had been quite disgraceful.
Seems out of character for Zac. I suspect he is being held 'prisoner' by Crosby and his aides who have decided the strategy.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
An independent Kurdistan was to have been set up in what is today SE Turkey under the Treaty of Sevres (1920) but the area was conquered by Ataturk's forces and was recognised by the Allies as part of Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne (1923).
I have just started reading Rogan's book on the Fall of the Ottoman Empire. Very interesting so far.
This is also worth reading, I thought Rogan was weaker than MacMeakin on the period 1908-14, and post 1919, but he has written a good account re the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
Mr. L, I have discovered some odd things when researching.
I was curious about whether reptilian eggs have a different appearance/odour to bird eggs, and in looking into that discovered komodo dragons are capable of parthenogenesis (a lone female having viable eggs).
Likewise, I've done a few searches into alcohol for Sir Edric. My search history would not accurately reflect my personal habits. I am neither a pregnant reptile nor an alcoholic.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
An independent Kurdistan was to have been set up in what is today SE Turkey under the Treaty of Sevres (1920) but the area was conquered by Ataturk's forces and was recognised by the Allies as part of Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne (1923).
I have just started reading Rogan's book on the Fall of the Ottoman Empire. Very interesting so far.
This is also worth reading, I thought Rogan was weaker than MacMeakin on the period 1908-14, and post 1919, but he has written a good account re the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
Mr. L, I have discovered some odd things when researching.
I was curious about whether reptilian eggs have a different appearance/odour to bird eggs, and in looking into that discovered komodo dragons are capable of parthenogenesis (a lone female having viable eggs).
Likewise, I've done a few searches into alcohol for Sir Edric. My search history would not accurately reflect my personal habits. I am neither a pregnant reptile nor an alcoholic.
Female komodo can only produce females by this means, can't she? I wonder why, since AFAIK the adult dragon has no predators, so male infants ought to be able to survive as well as females.
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Cruel, but true! On the Black Swan Scale - having Hitler as Labour's biggest issue several days running...
Yes, and so good of Diane to keep the ball in the air this morning. What is staggering is those involved are politicians who've been in the public eye for decades and yet they seem to have no idea when it is a good idea to just STFU.
I liked Zac Goldsmith and had high hopes for him in the Tory party but the way he has run his election campaign here with the never ending smears had been quite disgraceful.
Seems out of character for Zac. I suspect he is being held 'prisoner' by Crosby and his aides who have decided the strategy.
Best have a look at the media. Search: Livingstone and bigot
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
Galteri, Pinochet, Idi Amin?
I don't what they called themselves but you are right that the medai portrayed them as righties. Franco was Hitler's mate wasn't he? I will ask Ken, he will know.
If so, it'll probably be (using the human codes) because females are XX and males XY. Creating a male requires a Y, but as female DNA only has XX, they can only make females when solely reliant on their own genes.
Mr. L, I have discovered some odd things when researching.
I was curious about whether reptilian eggs have a different appearance/odour to bird eggs, and in looking into that discovered komodo dragons are capable of parthenogenesis (a lone female having viable eggs).
Likewise, I've done a few searches into alcohol for Sir Edric. My search history would not accurately reflect my personal habits. I am neither a pregnant reptile nor an alcoholic.
Female komodo can only produce females by this means, can't she? I wonder why, since AFAIK the adult dragon has no predators, so male infants ought to be able to survive as well as females.
Parthenogenesis is by definition asexual - "virgin" birth in Greek:
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
I don't think that the world forgets Hitler was put in power by arch conservatives and nationalists such as Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg.
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
I don't think that the world forgets Hitler was put in power by arch conservatives and nationalists such as Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg.
"The Nazi Party is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism." - Goebbels, 1931.
If so, it'll probably be (using the human codes) because females are XX and males XY. Creating a male requires a Y, but as female DNA only has XX, they can only make females when solely reliant on their own genes.
I think the point is that in the case of this parthenogenisis the products are fertile, unlike, for example, bees.. It's an odd beast, the komodo; kills because it's mouth is full of pathogenic bacteria, not just by tearing the victim apart.
United probably needed a win there more than Leicester tbh.
Agreed. If Arsenal can't beat Villa at home on the final day they should all be sacked. I guess United's best hope is for City to trip up today and hope Arsenal can win at City next Sunday.
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
Very true, Mr. Eagles, but when you are in crap club that wants to control your life and seems to be providing less and less benefit in return then not only do the membership fees look excessive but maybe one needs to resign and get one's life back.
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
Very true, Mr. Eagles, but when you are in crap club that wants to control your life and seems to be providing less and less benefit in return then not only do the membership fees look excessive but maybe one needs to resign and get one's life back.
These are the council seats Labour is defending this year against the Conservatives up to a swing of 10%. If the polls and Rallings&Thrasher are right, the party could lose most of these:
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
I don't think that the world forgets Hitler was put in power by arch conservatives and nationalists such as Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg.
"The Nazi Party is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism." - Goebbels, 1931.
The German conservatives clearly took a different view. How many German conservatives were sent to Dachau or removed from the Reichstag?
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
I don't think that the world forgets Hitler was put in power by arch conservatives and nationalists such as Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg.
Oh dear - is this the line the inquiry is going to take in order to exonerate Ken and Naz - the modern day 'caring anti-semites' in Labour's brave new world.
This is partly because those in charge of arranging ethnicities into a hierarchy of oppression are still trying to decide whether or not Jews should to be considered “white” and therefore “privileged,” and, as such, undeserving of the social protections from racism afforded to other minority groups…
According to the precepts of critical race theory, racism only results from a combination of prejudice and power. Since anti-Semitism is a conspiracy theory about the malign influence of a powerful and mendacious world Jewry, it essentially holds that the Jews are experiencing hatred on account of the power they hold. Anti-Semitism, therefore, is not racism at all, but something more akin to resistance
I liked Zac Goldsmith and had high hopes for him in the Tory party but the way he has run his election campaign here with the never ending smears had been quite disgraceful.
Seems out of character for Zac. I suspect he is being held 'prisoner' by Crosby and his aides who have decided the strategy.
Best have a look at the media. Search: Livingstone and bigot
Labour desperately trying to equate Goldsmith's valid questions about Sadiq Khan with bigotry of the Naz and Ken level is laughable. The inability of the 'new nasty party' to show some level of self-awareness this week has been very worrying. I think if I was Jewish I'd be pretty nervous to be in the UK right now.
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
I don't think that the world forgets Hitler was put in power by arch conservatives and nationalists such as Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg.
"The Nazi Party is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism." - Goebbels, 1931.
The German conservatives clearly took a different view. How many German conservatives were sent to Dachau or removed from the Reichstag?
All of them from the Reichstag when Germany officially became a one party state in July 1933.
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
Very true, Mr. Eagles, but when you are in crap club that wants to control your life and seems to be providing less and less benefit in return then not only do the membership fees look excessive but maybe one needs to resign and get one's life back.
Are you confusing the EU with marriage ?
Thank you for that, Mr. Eagles, made me laugh so loud it frightened Thomas.
I wasn't confusing the two and having been, more or less happily, married to the same lady for more than 30 years nor am I likely to. However, the analogy of an unhappy marriage is not without merit. Somewhere on my bookshelves I have a volume by Dan Hannan who used it as the basis of an argument as to why we need to leave the EU.
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
Very true, Mr. Eagles, but when you are in crap club that wants to control your life and seems to be providing less and less benefit in return then not only do the membership fees look excessive but maybe one needs to resign and get one's life back.
Are you confusing the EU with marriage ?
Thank you for that, Mr. Eagles, made me laugh so loud it frightened Thomas.
I wasn't confusing the two and having been, more or less happily, married to the same lady for more than 30 years nor am I likely to. However, the analogy of an unhappy marriage is not without merit. Somewhere on my bookshelves I have a volume by Dan Hannan who used it as the basis of an argument as to why we need to leave the EU.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
An independent Kurdistan was to have been set up in what is today SE Turkey under the Treaty of Sevres (1920) but the area was conquered by Ataturk's forces and was recognised by the Allies as part of Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne (1923).
I have just started reading Rogan's book on the Fall of the Ottoman Empire. Very interesting so far.
This is also worth reading, I thought Rogan was weaker than MacMeakin on the period 1908-14, and post 1919, but he has written a good account re the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
MacMeakin book is excellent. An aspect of WW1 I knew next to nothing about. Fascinating.
His coverage of the fighting between Ottoman Empire and Russia is clear and concise, likewise his section on the consequences of Revolution in Russia.
I also thought that Churchill's failings in 1914, and 15, are made abundantly clear. How far the Turks could have been bribed to stay out of war is open to question, but he seizure of its battleships wasn't a great strategic move by Churchill.
His account of the Greek Turkish War is harrowing. Both books are excellent, though I thought McMeakin may have the edge over Rogan.
What I would like to know more about is the two Balkan Wars and the collapse of Bulgaria in 1918.
On topic, at the risk of renaming myself "I told you so" some of us pointed out months ago the risks of Labour being seen as the terrorists' party. This is a risk which has been brewing for some time and has come to a head because of Livingstone's repulsive comments. But if not him, it would have been something else.
But this is not just about him. Until Labour rediscover what liberal principles are and what they mean - and the Far Left groupuscules who are now in charge are not and never have been liberal and despise everything about it - they will be stuck in this poisonous cul de sac where their leading politicians seek to defend themselves by relying on the works of revisionist historians who manipulate and falsify the historical evidence.
They show no signs of doing so: la-la-we-can't-hear-you-it's-all-a-plot seems to be the reaction now. It will take something truly awful, I fear, for them to wake up and that will likely involve the suffering of innocents.
The Tories quite rightly accused Labour of cosying up to terrorists. We just didn't expect those murderers to be Hitler and the Nazis!
Perhaps Corbynites are just trying to unite the twin forces of socialism? International socialists and National socialists?
indeed. The world forgets Hitler called himself a socialist. So did Pol Pot, Stalin- brutal murderers, mental Lefties.
I don't think that the world forgets Hitler was put in power by arch conservatives and nationalists such as Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg.
"The Nazi Party is the German Left. We despise bourgeois nationalism." - Goebbels, 1931.
The German conservatives clearly took a different view. How many German conservatives were sent to Dachau or removed from the Reichstag?
It's certainly a sui generis occurrence. The only left wing party that came to power with the support of land owners, aristocracy, bourgeoisie, industrialists and farmers, and that imprisoned & murdered communists, socialists and trade unionists.
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
It's NOT a brilliant club.
We have only won Eurovision once since the Single European Act of 1986!
I think I've hit on the one thing that would make you drop this Be Leave nonsense. Cameron should have negotiated a guarantee that EU members vote for each other in the song contest and give nul points to the likes of Belarus and Russia.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
An independent Kurdistan was to have been set up in what is today SE Turkey under the Treaty of Sevres (1920) but the area was conquered by Ataturk's forces and was recognised by the Allies as part of Turkey under the Treaty of Lausanne (1923).
I have just started reading Rogan's book on the Fall of the Ottoman Empire. Very interesting so far.
This is also worth reading, I thought Rogan was weaker than MacMeakin on the period 1908-14, and post 1919, but he has written a good account re the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.
MacMeakin book is excellent. An aspect of WW1 I knew next to nothing about. Fascinating.
His coverage of the fighting between Ottoman Empire and Russia is clear and concise, likewise his section on the consequences of Revolution in Russia.
I also thought that Churchill's failings in 1914, and 15, are made abundantly clear. How far the Turks could have been bribed to stay out of war is open to question, but he seizure of its battleships wasn't a great strategic move by Churchill.
His account of the Greek Turkish War is harrowing. Both books are excellent, though I thought McMeakin may have the edge over Rogan.
What I would like to know more about is the two Balkan Wars and the collapse of Bulgaria in 1918.
Colllapse of Bulgaria was because of Allied advances on the Salonika front in 1917-18, involving UK, French, Serbian and Greek forces (Greeks having finally joined the Allies in 1917).
An Ifop poll for Le Figaro measuring perceptions of Islam has found that people have a growing sense of unease about its role in France....Back in 2010, 39 per cent of Socialist Party voters felt Islam was too prominent within French society — a majority of 52 per cent feel this to be the case six years on.
...Surveys by Ifop going back to 1989 have consistently measured attitudes toward aspects of Islam in French society, and the change over the years paints a picture of a nation whose tolerance has worn thin.
In 1989 33 per cent of French people responded that they were “in favour” of building mosques, while the figure today is just 13 per cent . That year, 31 per cent were opposed to wearing the veil in general, a number that in 2016 has risen to 63 per cent.
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
It's NOT a brilliant club.
We have only won Eurovision once since the Single European Act of 1986!
I think I've hit on the one thing that would make you drop this Be Leave nonsense. Cameron should have negotiated a guarantee that EU members vote for each other in the song contest and give nul points to the likes of Belarus and Russia.
Thanks for naming the two countries that I have bets on.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
Some say badly led some say abused. I can strongly recommend 'The Unholy Land' if you are interested in the history of '48 and beyond.
NBC/WSJ, which usually overstates Cruz and understates Trump, has Indiana as Trump 49 to Cruz on 34. Can Trump win every county as he did on Tuesday? Interestingly their GE match-up has Trump 48 to Clinton 41. Of course polls this far out have limited meaning, see George HW Bush v Dukakis, but the direction of travel and closeness of the polls must be worrying the Democrats.
NBC/WSJ, which usually overstates Cruz and understates Trump, has Indiana as Trump 49 to Cruz on 34. Can Trump win every county as he did on Tuesday? Interestingly their GE match-up has Trump 48 to Clinton 41. Of course polls this far out have limited meaning, see George HW Bush v Dukakis, but the direction of travel and closeness of the polls must be worrying the Democrats.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
More people had to move when India was partitioned...
Unfortunately a history I know little about other that the basics. I was introduced to Indira Gandi once but I didn't quiz her!
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
More people had to move when India was partitioned...
Unfortunately a history I know little about other that the basics. I was introduced to Indira Gandi once but I didn't quiz her!
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
Some say badly led some say abused. I can strongly recommend 'The Unholy Land' if you are interested in the history of '48 and beyond.
PS Hope you enjoyed New York.
Thank you. I will look it out.
I enjoyed the first few days very much - the city looked lovely, the weather was fine and enjoyed a wonderful lunch at a harbourside restaurant but then was hospitalised with a bad asthma attack and suspected long clot, which was not in the plan....
NBC/WSJ, which usually overstates Cruz and understates Trump, has Indiana as Trump 49 to Cruz on 34. Can Trump win every county as he did on Tuesday? Interestingly their GE match-up has Trump 48 to Clinton 41. Of course polls this far out have limited meaning, see George HW Bush v Dukakis, but the direction of travel and closeness of the polls must be worrying the Democrats.
PPP reporting initial polling in WV showing Trump plus 60%, should in the 70s there.
There is no way that selection of the Republican Nominee by delegate voting will do anything other than result in Mr Trump being the winner. Unless a black-swan event occurs, including, but not limited to: incapacity of Mr Trump, either through ill health or, shall we say, external factors; changing the rules on delegate voting; persuading delegates to change preference; an actual (as opposed to fantasy) revelation of impropriety so much that it makes Mrs Clinton look like St Theresa.
Trump is on 1000 delegates (either pledged or supporting). Rubio has said that he has no objections to his delegated (160) voting for Trump. He looks like getting 45 or so in Indiana, over 120 in California 33 in West Virginia 51 in New Jersey
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
Some say badly led some say abused. I can strongly recommend 'The Unholy Land' if you are interested in the history of '48 and beyond.
PS Hope you enjoyed New York.
Is the title "Holy Land, Unholy War" by Anton La Guardia?
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
Some say badly led some say abused. I can strongly recommend 'The Unholy Land' if you are interested in the history of '48 and beyond.
PS Hope you enjoyed New York.
Is the title "Holy Land, Unholy War" by Anton La Guardia?
No. The Unholy Land by Marion Woolfson. Quite a few years old
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
Since when has the EU been brilliant? I suppose it maybe if your surname is Kinnock.
TPDs like TSE always have to go over the top when talking about their particular chosen betrayal. It is the only way they can look themselves in the mirror in the morning.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
Some say badly led some say abused. I can strongly recommend 'The Unholy Land' if you are interested in the history of '48 and beyond.
PS Hope you enjoyed New York.
Thank you. I will look it out.
I enjoyed the first few days very much - the city looked lovely, the weather was fine and enjoyed a wonderful lunch at a harbourside restaurant but then was hospitalised with a bad asthma attack and suspected long clot, which was not in the plan....
I'm glad to be home.
There must be a reason which explains why that kind of thing always happens at the most inconvenient moments. But all's well that ends well.
so if we vote to stay out we are stupid...right got it.
The Anglosphere/Commonwealth want us to Remain.
They are wise.
They don't have to pay the EU a net £8.5 billion a year...
When you join a brilliant club that benefits you, you pay a membership fee.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
Since when has the EU been brilliant? I suppose it maybe if your surname is Kinnock.
TPDs like TSE always have to go over the top when talking about their particular chosen betrayal. It is the only way they can look themselves in the mirror in the morning.
'if anyone ever said a Muslim country should not exist'
No need for the 'if' when it comes to Palestine or Kurdistan or Northern Cyprus.
Well, the UN voted for a Palestine to come into existence in the late 1940's. There was even land allocated. It was...er.....the then Palestinians who refused. Perhaps there is no Palestinian phrase for "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
The Kurds do deserve a state I agree, much like the Poles in 19th century Europe. It is realpolitik which has prevented them getting one.
Perhaps like the blacks in South Africa when the apartheid land acts came in they didn't see why they should vacate the homes they had lived in for generations?
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
Some say badly led some say abused. I can strongly recommend 'The Unholy Land' if you are interested in the history of '48 and beyond.
PS Hope you enjoyed New York.
Thank you. I will look it out.
I enjoyed the first few days very much - the city looked lovely, the weather was fine and enjoyed a wonderful lunch at a harbourside restaurant but then was hospitalised with a bad asthma attack and suspected long clot, which was not in the plan....
I'm glad to be home.
Sheesh, Mrs Free, but are you OK now? I sure hope so.
P.S. When you went abroad did you put your cat into gaol? I only ask because I have a sneaking suspicion that the Cat Gods have a way of punishing those that go away on holiday without making what they (the Gods) consider adequate provision for their cat's welfare and well being.
Bull shit moore would vote for any tory. He is left wing labour, has been forever & very open about his politics.
Sorry - it doesn't get much lower than Zac I'm afraid - he's going to lose and that'll be well deserved. He's played identify politics to the max (e.g. I've had targeted mailshots in Tamil for example talking about issues concerning 'my community').
These are the council seats Labour is defending this year against the Conservatives up to a swing of 10%. If the polls and Rallings&Thrasher are right, the party could lose most of these:
Andy Many thanks for link, did you create it do you know where it came from? I would be fascinated to see if there is an equivalent with LD - Lab marginal seats on it?
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You are pushing the boundaries of credibility, I fear.
I have just started reading Rogan's book on the Fall of the Ottoman Empire. Very interesting so far.
Perhaps so. But something is better than nothing. And by going for broke they lost everything, other than those who stayed and are now Arab Israeli citizens.
That is why I have said that it is a tragedy that Palestinians have been so badly led.
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/russia-post-race-analysis-2016.html
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/dec/18/ottoman-endgame-sean-mcmeekin-review
They are wise.
I was curious about whether reptilian eggs have a different appearance/odour to bird eggs, and in looking into that discovered komodo dragons are capable of parthenogenesis (a lone female having viable eggs).
Likewise, I've done a few searches into alcohol for Sir Edric. My search history would not accurately reflect my personal habits. I am neither a pregnant reptile nor an alcoholic.
If so, it'll probably be (using the human codes) because females are XX and males XY. Creating a male requires a Y, but as female DNA only has XX, they can only make females when solely reliant on their own genes.
To paraphrase Arron Banks, it's a bargain, a price worth paying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pnBJLqgQM7-03sOfkThVnJhg97hS_aSx9QS7FtNwGC4/edit#gid=0
In that case, the EU should be paying us.
We have only won Eurovision once since the Single European Act of 1986!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation
I wasn't confusing the two and having been, more or less happily, married to the same lady for more than 30 years nor am I likely to. However, the analogy of an unhappy marriage is not without merit. Somewhere on my bookshelves I have a volume by Dan Hannan who used it as the basis of an argument as to why we need to leave the EU.
I also thought that Churchill's failings in 1914, and 15, are made abundantly clear. How far the Turks could have been bribed to stay out of war is open to question, but he seizure of its battleships wasn't a great strategic move by Churchill.
His account of the Greek Turkish War is harrowing. Both books are excellent, though I thought McMeakin may have the edge over Rogan.
What I would like to know more about is the two Balkan Wars and the collapse of Bulgaria in 1918.
Up the revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZW_sex-determination_system
But it still means Jesus was a woman.
Well, why didn't you say so?
I'm IN.
I suppose it maybe if your surname is Kinnock.
PS Hope you enjoyed New York.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/donald-trump-leads-cruz-15-points-crucial-indiana-race-n565356?cid=sm_tw
PPP reporting initial polling in WV showing Trump plus 60%, should in the 70s there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
I enjoyed the first few days very much - the city looked lovely, the weather was fine and enjoyed a wonderful lunch at a harbourside restaurant but then was hospitalised with a bad asthma attack and suspected long clot, which was not in the plan....
I'm glad to be home.
Trump is on 1000 delegates (either pledged or supporting). Rubio has said that he has no objections to his delegated (160) voting for Trump. He looks like getting 45 or so in Indiana, over 120 in California 33 in West Virginia 51 in New Jersey
You've got to remember that the left own racism, therefore they can define it as they like, just like Humpty Dumpty.
Racism is criticism of someone they like.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pennine-Dragon-Simon-Keegan/dp/1910705322/
https://twitter.com/brianmoore666/status/726800892930985984
P.S. When you went abroad did you put your cat into gaol? I only ask because I have a sneaking suspicion that the Cat Gods have a way of punishing those that go away on holiday without making what they (the Gods) consider adequate provision for their cat's welfare and well being.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4423223e-0875-11e6-a623-b84d06a39ec2.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/world_uk_politics/feed//product#axzz47Q9lqP1k