Osborne's Mortgage Warning Over Quitting EU The Chancellor claims families will "pay the price" if the UK quits the EU as he suggests mortgage rates are likely to rise
Depends on the amount of uncertainty (or panic) in the financial markets. The pound may go into freefall and the BoE forced to raise rates, resulting in higher borrowing costs for consumers.
That is an incredibly low probability scenario, as Osborne well knows.
Even the '20%' numbers some banks have been throwing around are exaggerations and even if they did materialise would probably not lead to higher interest rates in the current environment of modest economic growth and entirely absent inflationary pressures.
It really is dispiriting to see a supposedly Conservative chancellor scaremongering about his own economy in this way.
You may well ask 'whose side is he on?' Not ours, is the answer.
In the event of Brexit, I reckon the pound would fall 8-10% against the dollar and 5-6% against the Euro. The Euro would fall 3-5% against the Dollar too.
Presumably if we get to polling day with LEAVE ahead most of any effect will already be priced in. And we will be back to normal again within a few months after. Long-term repricing will be quite small I suspect, especially in the EEA/EFTA case.
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Even better news for me, if we vote Leave Farage forms a govt.
I accused you the other day of being a spoof, I've seen nothing to change my mind, I don't believe you believe what you post.
I hate to break it to you, but there are almost no circumstances where Nigel Farage, who couldn't win a seat in one of the most Eurosceptic constituencies in Britain, against a divided opposition and with the full financial and physical support of his party, forms a government.
Osborne's Mortgage Warning Over Quitting EU The Chancellor claims families will "pay the price" if the UK quits the EU as he suggests mortgage rates are likely to rise
Depends on the amount of uncertainty (or panic) in the financial markets. The pound may go into freefall and the BoE forced to raise rates, resulting in higher borrowing costs for consumers.
That is an incredibly low probability scenario, as Osborne well knows.
Even the '20%' numbers some banks have been throwing around are exaggerations and even if they did materialise would probably not lead to higher interest rates in the current environment of modest economic growth and entirely absent inflationary pressures.
It really is dispiriting to see a supposedly Conservative chancellor scaremongering about his own economy in this way.
You may well ask 'whose side is he on?' Not ours, is the answer.
He is on the remain side which accounts for about half the conservative mp's so it follows if you are leave he is not on your side
Osborne's Mortgage Warning Over Quitting EU The Chancellor claims families will "pay the price" if the UK quits the EU as he suggests mortgage rates are likely to rise
Depends on the amount of uncertainty (or panic) in the financial markets. The pound may go into freefall and the BoE forced to raise rates, resulting in higher borrowing costs for consumers.
That is an incredibly low probability scenario, as Osborne well knows.
Even the '20%' numbers some banks have been throwing around are exaggerations and even if they did materialise would probably not lead to higher interest rates in the current environment of modest economic growth and entirely absent inflationary pressures.
It really is dispiriting to see a supposedly Conservative chancellor scaremongering about his own economy in this way.
You may well ask 'whose side is he on?' Not ours, is the answer.
In the event of Brexit, I reckon the pound would fall 8-10% against the dollar and 5-6% against the Euro. The Euro would fall 3-5% against the Dollar too.
Presumably if we get to polling day with LEAVE ahead most of any effect will already be priced in. And we will be back to normal again within a few months after. Long-term repricing will be quite small I suspect, especially in the EEA/EFTA case.
In the Scotland referendum there was lots of talk of "project fear". In the end the economic reality would have been massively worse than anything dismissed as scaremongering by a the SNP. Now, in the EU referendu, the obvious problems with the economy are kind of dismissed, but the very real political problems: reigniting the troubles in Northern Ireland and a second kamikaze referendum in Scotland are dismissed even more firmly. Frankly the Leave camp, unconvincing as they already are must surely be going to face a real blitz on the political problems of Brexit pretty soon, you might have thought...
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Labour voters will overwhelmingly vote REMAIN, apart from the fact that REMAIN Is good for the country and the working people, it will almost certainly ignite Tory blood-letting on a massive scale. It will make Labour troubles of the 80s look like a UKIP convention in its size.
We only had the Militants. The Tory fracture will be right through the middle.
I object to three things about the EU: 1. That we are obliged to offer benefits to migrants. My view is - come here and pay taxes if you like, but don't expect to be subsidised to work here. 2. The supremacy of the ECJ over UK law in certain areas. 3. The cost.
EEA/EFTA solves the vast bulk of these issues, and causes minimal disruption to British businesses. (Of which I've started several.)
The hitch is that leaving the EU and joining the EEA/EFTA isn't on the ballot paper. The choice you get is staying in the EU or leaving and getting some unknown alternative. As we saw with the steel case when mainstream UK opinion swung protectionist over a single news cycle, what you'd get would be "local shops for local people".
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
They'd have to rename it, tho.
They'd have to call it St Albans airport or something similar.
I object to three things about the EU: 1. That we are obliged to offer benefits to migrants. My view is - come here and pay taxes if you like, but don't expect to be subsidised to work here. 2. The supremacy of the ECJ over UK law in certain areas. 3. The cost.
EEA/EFTA solves the vast bulk of these issues, and causes minimal disruption to British businesses. (Of which I've started several.)
The hitch is that leaving the EU and joining the EEA/EFTA isn't on the ballot paper. The choice you get is staying in the EU or leaving and getting some unknown alternative. As we saw with the steel case when mainstream UK opinion swung protectionist over a single news cycle, what you'd get would be "local shops for local people".
I agree, it scares me how protectionist some of my fellow Leavers are.
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Even better news for me, if we vote Leave Farage forms a govt.
I accused you the other day of being a spoof, I've seen nothing to change my mind, I don't believe you believe what you post.
You can believe whatever you want about me but I do believe in my posts and I do not need to justify them to you or anyone else
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Even better news for me, if we vote Leave Farage forms a govt.
I accused you the other day of being a spoof, I've seen nothing to change my mind, I don't believe you believe what you post.
I hate to break it to you, but there are almost no circumstances where Nigel Farage, who couldn't win a seat in one of the most Eurosceptic constituencies in Britain, against a divided opposition and with the full financial and physical support of his party, forms a government.
You're kidding me, Remainers on here keep stating that they don't want Farage around in the event of Leave, I'd assumed he was being fast tracked to PM or something.
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
They'd have to rename it, tho.
They'd have to call it St Albans airport or something similar.
Follow Liverpool's lead and call it London Lorraine Chase Airport.
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
If LEAVE and next PM after Cameron tries to join EEA - then you will have people on all sides moaning for three years. "We voted out but they want to keep us in". "We voted to control our borders". "We voted for sovereignty". Then after the UK has its cake and just before it tries to eat it, countries X, Y, Z will demand quid pro quo for an EEA deal. "Yes the UK can get this, but we want the UK to give that".
You can imagine. Mr Farage would have a half-dozen hobby horses newly minted. There'd be no majority support in the country for whatever deal transpired and amid the disappointment enough people might be just perfectly happy to stay in after all...
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Labour voters will overwhelmingly vote REMAIN, apart from the fact that REMAIN Is good for the country and the working people, it will almost certainly ignite Tory blood-letting on a massive scale. It will make Labour troubles of the 80s look like a UKIP convention in its size.
We only had the Militants. The Tory fracture will be right through the middle.
You are partly correct, Labour voters will vote overwhelmingly Remain, the problem is how many of them will bother to vote.
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Very few. Comrade Corbyn has told us which way to vote.
How sad you have to be told what to do rather than having your own opinion. Must be a wonderful socialist utopia in which you reside.
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Even better news for me, if we vote Leave Farage forms a govt.
I accused you the other day of being a spoof, I've seen nothing to change my mind, I don't believe you believe what you post.
I hate to break it to you, but there are almost no circumstances where Nigel Farage, who couldn't win a seat in one of the most Eurosceptic constituencies in Britain, against a divided opposition and with the full financial and physical support of his party, forms a government.
You're kidding me, Remainers on here keep stating that they don't want Farage around in the event of Leave, I'd assumed he was being fast tracked to PM or something.
Osborne's Mortgage Warning Over Quitting EU The Chancellor claims families will "pay the price" if the UK quits the EU as he suggests mortgage rates are likely to rise
Depends on the amount of uncertainty (or panic) in the financial markets. The pound may go into freefall and the BoE forced to raise rates, resulting in higher borrowing costs for consumers.
The BoE rate is 0.5%.
Anyone who couldn't cope with a 1% rise in the rate really shouldn't be borrowing.
Since the crash mortgage applications require that the borrowers can support a rise in interest rates
I object to three things about the EU: 1. That we are obliged to offer benefits to migrants. My view is - come here and pay taxes if you like, but don't expect to be subsidised to work here. 2. The supremacy of the ECJ over UK law in certain areas. 3. The cost.
EEA/EFTA solves the vast bulk of these issues, and causes minimal disruption to British businesses. (Of which I've started several.)
The hitch is that leaving the EU and joining the EEA/EFTA isn't on the ballot paper. The choice you get is staying in the EU or leaving and getting some unknown alternative. As we saw with the steel case when mainstream UK opinion swung protectionist over a single news cycle, what you'd get would be "local shops for local people".
I agree, it scares me how protectionist some of my fellow Leavers are.
Yes. It was the rabid protectionism they were coming out with that finally pushed me to Remain. It was a frightening glimpse into what lies beneath. And if that's there what else are they yearning for, that they aren't yet telling us about?
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Even better news for me, if we vote Leave Farage forms a govt.
I accused you the other day of being a spoof, I've seen nothing to change my mind, I don't believe you believe what you post.
You can believe whatever you want about me but I do believe in my posts and I do not need to justify them to you or anyone else
Fair enough, but do you believe Farage will help form a govt?
But that line of argument can be applied to anyone group facing competition from overseas:
The individuals do not care about this.
The general concept that you are proposing of globalisation doesn't hold with some things.
If you are looking for a plumber to fix your leaky U-bend, no one is coming from Warsaw. They will be located nearby.
That may be an argument for an individual plumber to vote for Leave, but it is not an intellectually coherent argument for our side to use.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
My present girlfriend is smart and clued up and engaged on social media, she uses words like "patriarchy" without irony, and she's young and passionate about stuff - and she is barely aware there is a vote. I doubt she is registered.
Let us know if she bothers to vote, sounds like a "remainer" from your description.
Osborne's Mortgage Warning Over Quitting EU The Chancellor claims families will "pay the price" if the UK quits the EU as he suggests mortgage rates are likely to rise'
So savers to get better interest rates if they vote Leave.
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
And replace them with Gove, Boris and Farage. Think the left may swallow hard before being a party to a right shift in the government
Even better news for me, if we vote Leave Farage forms a govt.
I accused you the other day of being a spoof, I've seen nothing to change my mind, I don't believe you believe what you post.
You can believe whatever you want about me but I do believe in my posts and I do not need to justify them to you or anyone else
Fair enough, but do you believe Farage will help form a govt?
No but there may be a perception that he would want to be part of the divorce process and I think the further away from leave's campaign he is the better for their campaign
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
They'd have to rename it, tho.
Lorraine Chase Airport ?
Pernod sounds better.
Talking of airports and drinks one of my fave ads from the past made by Cinzanno.
Of course I am a LEAVER, (and this comment should be seen in this context) but I do genuinely feel that REMAIN are getting seriously concerned that the ill-informed masses are not responding to what tbey see as the blindingly obvious....there is, in my view, the whiff of panic in the air.
Tbey had no contemplation that the LEAVERS would not simply be steamrollered at this stage. And they are a little bemused.....Project Fear can only keep repeating wolf for so long with minimal impact
Licence To Kill on ITV at the moment. Heralded a 6 year lull in Bond films.
Amazingly, my wife thought it was one of the most under-rated Bond movies. (And she regards Goldeneye as one of the most over-rated.)
License to Kill and The Living Daylights are under-rated Bond movies. I think it is a great shame Timothy Dalton only got to do two movies. Sadly they have gone downhill since Casino Royale which I managed to sleep through.
I think Casino Royale is the best Bond movie.
Bond should have been culled around 1970. Perhaps 1980 at most.
Now as ludicrous as Sherlock Holmes taking on the Nazis in 1940s Hollywood...
Of course I am a LEAVER, (and this comment should be seen in this context) but I do genuinely feel that REMAIN are getting seriously concerned that the ill-informed masses are not responding to what tbey see as the blindingly obvious....there is, in my view, the whiff of panic in the air.
Tbey had no contemplation that the LEAVERS would not simply be steamrollered at this stage. And they are a little bemused.....Project Fear can only keep repeating wolf for so long with minimal impact
The adults on each side know that nobody who matters is paying attention yet. (Nobody on PB matters. Your mate who has no interest in politics outside GE week matters. Sorry.)
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
Licence To Kill on ITV at the moment. Heralded a 6 year lull in Bond films.
Amazingly, my wife thought it was one of the most under-rated Bond movies. (And she regards Goldeneye as one of the most over-rated.)
License to Kill and The Living Daylights are under-rated Bond movies. I think it is a great shame Timothy Dalton only got to do two movies. Sadly they have gone downhill since Casino Royale which I managed to sleep through.
I think Casino Royale is the best Bond movie.
Bond should have been culled around 1970. Perhaps 1980 at most.
Now as ludicrous as Sherlock Holmes taking on the Nazis in 1940s Hollywood...
The invisible car in Die Another Day was quite ridiculous even by Bond standards.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
.The adults on each side know that nobody who matters is paying attention yet. (Nobody on PB matters. Your mate who has no interest in politics outside GE week matters. Sorry.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
I object to three things about the EU: 1. That we are obliged to offer benefits to migrants. My view is - come here and pay taxes if you like, but don't expect to be subsidised to work here. 2. The supremacy of the ECJ over UK law in certain areas. 3. The cost.
EEA/EFTA solves the vast bulk of these issues, and causes minimal disruption to British businesses. (Of which I've started several.)
The hitch is that leaving the EU and joining the EEA/EFTA isn't on the ballot paper. The choice you get is staying in the EU or leaving and getting some unknown alternative. As we saw with the steel case when mainstream UK opinion swung protectionist over a single news cycle, what you'd get would be "local shops for local people".
I agree, it scares me how protectionist some of my fellow Leavers are.
Yes. It was the rabid protectionism they were coming out with that finally pushed me to Remain. It was a frightening glimpse into what lies beneath. And if that's there what else are they yearning for, that they aren't yet telling us about?
Why does it matter? If we leave will all Remainers be swallowed up into a vortex or die?
The smallest known measurement in the physical universe is this amount of sympathy I have for Tories complaining Osborne is dishonest.
See. You prove my point.
Some geeky lefties might reserve a unique if weird hatred for adopted comp-boy Michael Gove, but, let's face it, it is the public school millionaire and Chancellor Geo Osborne and Etonian squillionare and prime minister David Cameron who invoke real fury and envy and loathing, the kind of contempt that might swing a swing voter in the referendum.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
But that line of argument can be applied to anyone group facing competition from overseas:
The individuals do not care about this.
The general concept that you are proposing of globalisation doesn't hold with some things.
If you are looking for a plumber to fix your leaky U-bend, no one is coming from Warsaw. They will be located nearby.
That may be an argument for an individual plumber to vote for Leave, but it is not an intellectually coherent argument for our side to use.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Everything may be perfect in your Trust. However, I have been reliably informed that others are not having such a great time. There are huge issues around nurses from Southern Europe talking in their first language in front of patients and other members of staff. This has resulted in numerous complaints being made and is unprofessional. It has got so bad that English language lessons have been rolled out.
Minutes from central London, and directly linked to St Pancras with its eurostar, but also NORTH of London, so good for the rest of the country. Easily accessed from the M25 and M1. And also surrounded by POOR people, who can't complain, with much hope of success, if it expands.
They'd have to rename it, tho.
Lorraine Chase Airport ?
Pernod sounds better.
Talking of airports and drinks one of my fave ads from the past made by Cinzanno.
Right above a picture of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge in Bhutan which should add to interest and was presumably connected
Yup
And they NAMED me. I got SPECIFICALLY NAMED as a FEATURE WRITER on the front page of The Times (digital edition).
NAMED. On THE TIMES.
I'll stop now. With the CAPITALS.
But that's quite a big deal for a humble hack.
Yes frame it (it also associates you forever with our future King and Queen so you will have something to talk about when you go to the Palace for the gong!)
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
But that line of argument can be applied to anyone group facing competition from overseas:
The individuals do not care about this.
The general concept that you are proposing of globalisation doesn't hold with some things.
If you are looking for a plumber to fix your leaky U-bend, no one is coming from Warsaw. They will be located nearby.
That may be an argument for an individual plumber to vote for Leave, but it is not an intellectually coherent argument for our side to use.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Everything may be perfect in your Trust. However, I have been reliably informed that others are not having such a great time. There are huge issues around nurses from Southern Europe talking in their first language in front of patients and other members of staff. This has resulted in numerous complaints being made and is unprofessional. It has got so bad that English language lessons have been rolled out.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
But that line of argument can be applied to anyone group facing competition from overseas:
The individuals do not care about this.
The general concept that you are proposing of globalisation doesn't hold with some things.
If you are looking for a plumber to fix your leaky U-bend, no one is coming from Warsaw. They will be located nearby.
That may be an argument for an individual plumber to vote for Leave, but it is not an intellectually coherent argument for our side to use.
The point, going back to Daltrey and friends, is that many tradesmen have already seen their wages dive.
There will be millions sitting around who have experienced it personally, or indirectly as a relative/partner.
These people will all be open to the core idea that excess migration suppresses local wages. It isn't a concept; it's an experience already lived.
According to last week's New Scientist article on migration, low-skilled migrants don't generally put natives out of a job or lower their wages. Instead, the natives tend to capitalise on their language and other skills to assume supervisory roles and better-paid positions, while the newcomers take over the menial aspects. There must be a fair number of C2s who are quite happy that they don't have to get their hands dirty any more.
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
Nah. I'm sure Cameron will be momentarily peeved if he loses, but no way will he give anyone the satisfaction of seeing it. He'll continue as PM and set about the renegotiations with gusto, like a man reborn.
I like Cameron, despite his being wrong on the eu, but it won't be up to him to stay on in those circumstances.
The smallest known measurement in the physical universe is this amount of sympathy I have for Tories complaining Osborne is dishonest.
See. You prove my point.
Some geeky lefties might reserve a unique if weird hatred for adopted comp-boy Michael Gove, but, let's face it, it is the public school millionaire and Chancellor Geo Osborne and Etonian squillionare and prime minister David Cameron who invoke real fury and envy and loathing, the kind of contempt that might swing a swing voter in the referendum.
Quite. You just can't do this against Gove because he is the adopted son from a humble background. So no one bothers (or cares)
PB Lefties really do think they are representative, and they are not. I don't think the ob :Efties even represent most Labour activists, as the pb-ers tend to be older and more centrist and gently middle class.
Cameron and Osborne are recognised and hated by a significant chunk of the voting population - maybe 5%. That 5% could swing the referendum, if they all decide to vote LEAVE coz they want to punch Cam and Oz, and split the Tories in half.
I still think Remain will just scrape it but that 5% will help ensure Cam and Oz get a very bloody nose. Certainly some of the most leftwing students and working class radicals and union militants genuinely think both of them are literally evil and throwing the poor to the scrap heap to feed their wealthy chums!
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
That's what all the plumbers said. And then we imported thousands of excellent ones from Poland, who charge half the rate.
It makes no difference how good you are, if someone equally proficient from Eastern Europe will do your job for 50% less.
Time to scrap pay scales, and embrace Europe in the event of Remain, don't you agree? Level the playing field. Or should it be different for Middle Class Dr Jemima's and Foxes?
But that line of argument can be applied to anyone group facing competition from overseas:
The individuals do not care about this.
The general concept that you are proposing of globalisation doesn't hold with some things.
If you are looking for a plumber to fix your leaky U-bend, no one is coming from Warsaw. They will be located nearby.
That may be an argument for an individual plumber to vote for Leave, but it is not an intellectually coherent argument for our side to use.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Everything may be perfect in your Trust. However, I have been reliably informed that others are not having such a great time. There are huge issues around nurses from Southern Europe talking in their first language in front of patients and other members of staff. This has resulted in numerous complaints being made and is unprofessional. It has got so bad that English language lessons have been rolled out.
Our own overseas recruits go through a long induction period to iron out that sort of thing. On the otherhand if the choice is between a less than perfect recruit and having a staffing gap, sometimes difficult decisions as to where the risk lies have to be made. 10% of the nursing posts and 5% of medical posts are unfilled at present in England. It will be worse in August.
How many Labour voters are going to enter the polling station intending to support Remain but find themselves voting Leave just in order to get rid of Cameron and Osborne?
Vote LEAVE today....and effectively sack those posh gits Camerson and Osborne and watch them resign, Ron-Knee-ashen-faced, stunned and trembling, over your cornflakes tomorrow morning?Tempting
Nah. I'm sure Cameron will be momentarily peeved if he loses, but no way will he give anyone the satisfaction of seeing it. He'll continue as PM and set about the renegotiations with gusto, like a man reborn.
I like Cameron, despite his being wrong on the eu, but it won't be up to him to stay on in those circumstances.
In the short term there is no other answer. Miliband caused labour's problems by resigning on the spot
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
That's what all the plumbers said. And then we imported thousands of excellent ones from Poland, who charge half the rate.
It makes no difference how good you are, if someone equally proficient from Eastern Europe will do your job for 50% less.
Time to scrap pay scales, and embrace Europe in the event of Remain, don't you agree? Or should it be different for Middle Class Dr Jemima's and Foxes?
Market forces would force my pay up. I work in a shortage area.
But I am glad that you are converted to the benefits of EU migration. Shall I mark you down as Remain?
The smallest known measurement in the physical universe is this amount of sympathy I have for Tories complaining Osborne is dishonest.
See. You prove my point.
Some geeky lefties might reserve a unique if weird hatred for adopted comp-boy Michael Gove, but, let's face it, it is the public school millionaire and Chancellor Geo Osborne and Etonian squillionare and prime minister David Cameron who invoke real fury and envy and loathing, the kind of contempt that might swing a swing voter in the referendum.
Quite. You just can't do this against Gove because he is the adopted son from a humble background. So no one bothers (or cares)
PB Lefties really do think they are representative, and they are not. I don't think the ob :Efties even represent most Labour activists, as the pb-ers tend to be older and more centrist and gently middle class.
Cameron and Osborne are recognised and hated by a significant chunk of the voting population - maybe 5%. That 5% could swing the referendum, if they all decide to vote LEAVE coz they want to punch Cam and Oz, and split the Tories in half.
I still think Remain will just scrape it but that 5% will help ensure Cam and Oz get a very bloody nose. Certainly some of the most leftwing students and working class radicals and union militants genuinely think both of them are literally evil and throwing the poor to the scrap heap to feed their wealthy chums!
Yes, the younger, more active lefties of my acquaintance either don't give a toss about the EU, or they think it is a kind of obscure corporate conspiracy. Add this to their fierce hatred of Tories and these people, IF they vote, will I reckon vote OUT more than IN.
REMAIN is in real trouble.
Indeed, though Corbyn may have swayed a few to hold their nose, the young more generally are still Remain
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
That's what all the plumbers said. And then we imported thousands of excellent ones from Poland, who charge half the rate.
It makes no difference how good you are, if someone equally proficient from Eastern Europe will do your job for 50% less.
Time to scrap pay scales, and embrace Europe in the event of Remain, don't you agree? Or should it be different for Middle Class Dr Jemima's and Foxes?
Market forces would force my pay up. I work in a shortage area.
But I am glad that you are converted to the benefits of EU migration. Shall I mark you down as Remain?
I can see the benefits of migration from across the globe, not just the EU. I'm sure there are plenty of great medical staff willing to work here from outside Europe
Shall I mark you down as too frit to abandon pay scales, and ditch the cosy Middle Class entitlement racket? You remind me of those BBC staff who claim they'd be worth multiples of their pay in Commercial Broadcasting, yet remain strangely unwilling to abandon the Licence Fee in favour of subscription.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
That's what all the plumbers said. And then we imported thousands of excellent ones from Poland, who charge half the rate.
Nobody imported them, they're human beings and they came of their own free will.
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
That's what all the plumbers said. And then we imported thousands of excellent ones from Poland, who charge half the rate.
It makes no difference how good you are, if someone equally proficient from Eastern Europe will do your job for 50% less.
Time to scrap pay scales, and embrace Europe in the event of Remain, don't you agree? Level the playing field. Or should it be different for Middle Class Dr Jemima's and Foxes?
We already import lots of medical people too. Nearly a third of UK doctors and 13% of nurses are foreign-born, according to last week's New Scientist article.
I mentioned about Barbara Kahan - well here are a few articles explaining how the sc*m operating out of 2 Woodberry Grove North Finchley stole her identity, with her obituary appearing in the Guardian in the year 2000:
And for every pissed off British plumber there are 100's of happy customers of the Polish one.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
Why would you hear a bad word about good immigration? Why would you hear a bad word about individual service providers?
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
EU migrant employment rates are generally higher than UK citizens. They also integrate well at work and at Home. They come from similar cultures and desire to assimilate. It is on the whole non-EU migration that I hear grumbles about.
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
Abandon the pay scale altogether and allow market forces to dictate the rates for doctors. Should see them cut substantially; similar to that which has happened in construction etc saving the NHS a packet.
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
That's what all the plumbers said. And then we imported thousands of excellent ones from Poland, who charge half the rate.
It makes no difference how good you are, if someone equally proficient from Eastern Europe will do your job for 50% less.
Time to scrap pay scales, and embrace Europe in the event of Remain, don't you agree? Or should it be different for Middle Class Dr Jemima's and Foxes?
Market forces would force my pay up. I work in a shortage area.
But I am glad that you are converted to the benefits of EU migration. Shall I mark you down as Remain?
"The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." - Voltaire
after last night's debate, the Brooklyn Brawl, Hillary Clinton heads west to California for 2 fundraisers hosted by George and Amal Clooney: Bernie Sanders - a Jewish boy from Brooklyn - heads to The Vatican at the invitation of the pope.
This presidential campaign is the wierdest in my lifetime.
And on 2 Woodberry Grove, there are companies registered at a further 2 subsets of addresses there: plain 2 Woodberry Grove, and Ascot House, 2 Woodberry Grove:
And on 2 Woodberry Grove, there are companies registered at a further 2 subsets of addresses there: plain 2 Woodberry Grove, and Ascot House, 2 Woodberry Grove:
So 8 versions of the 2 Woodberry Grove address - you simply can't make this $hit up!
Kahan is believed to be the mother of the owner of the company formation business. Her name is used as the natural director on their creation. Isn't the obituary you reference for a different person? Check the ages.
My own home address can be formatted multiple ways depending on who is using it, be it Companies House or Amazon.
Companies House need to trawl their database and get a few businesses to update their records correctly.
You haven't found a smoking gun, Ponzi scheme, boiler room, or the Temple of Zuhl, but a legitimate formation business. Your time would be better spent playing with your Roman Coin collection or charting something. Maybe your sanity.
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Labour voters will overwhelmingly vote REMAIN, apart from the fact that REMAIN Is good for the country and the working people, it will almost certainly ignite Tory blood-letting on a massive scale. It will make Labour troubles of the 80s look like a UKIP convention in its size.
We only had the Militants. The Tory fracture will be right through the middle.
Ref: your article regarding alternative energy.
Note the problem was not with generation but in distributing the energy from its source.
Nano-technology maybe solving the conductivity issue. Indeed, the Sahara could light up Europe !
I'm not entirely sure you read what I posted.
then you will have people on all sides moaning for three years. "We voted out but they want to keep us in". "We voted to control our borders". "We voted for sovereignty". Then after the UK has its cake and just before it tries to eat it, countries X, Y, Z will demand quid pro quo for an EEA deal. "Yes the UK can get this, but we want the UK to give that".
You can imagine. Mr Farage would have a half-dozen hobby horses newly minted. There'd be no majority support in the country for whatever deal transpired and amid the disappointment enough people might be just perfectly happy to stay in after all...
Though of course REMAIN won't tell you that.
There will be millions sitting around who have experienced it personally, or indirectly as a relative/partner.
These people will all be open to the core idea that excess migration suppresses local wages. It isn't a concept; it's an experience already lived.
One thing that you see with Britons and migrants is that they may object in principle to migration in the abstract, but very often are very supportive and friendly to all the individuals that they encounter.
I have not heard a word spoken against my Greek, Italian and Maltese medical colleagues nor against our Spanish and Portuguese nurses, not by the roughest Lestah lad, nor the crustiest county set.
'Project Fear reason No 6437 to vote remain
Osborne's Mortgage Warning Over Quitting EU
The Chancellor claims families will "pay the price" if the UK quits the EU as he suggests mortgage rates are likely to rise'
So savers to get better interest rates if they vote Leave.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjidE0WnAI
Tbey had no contemplation that the LEAVERS would not simply be steamrollered at this stage. And they are a little bemused.....Project Fear can only keep repeating wolf for so long with minimal impact
Now as ludicrous as Sherlock Holmes taking on the Nazis in 1940s Hollywood...
(Nobody on PB matters. Your mate who has no interest in politics outside GE week matters. Sorry.)
The issues are poor quality immigration and overall volumes.
(Nobody on PB matters. Your mate who has no interest in politics outside GE week matters. Sorry.
So REMAIN are where they expected to be? Right,
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12993568_10210122443325897_1896070478168200500_n.jpg?oh=a8610c2dbed4e67aef4d9ae22cd61b16&oe=57BF3139
Docs wages are on some form of payscale I imagine?
Not subject to market forces
Import docs from abroad at £25k a year I reckon; Feel like a plumber
The rare talent (shared by Peter Sellers, Ronnie Barker and a handful more) of cracking you up without even having to open their mouths...
If it's good enough for everyone else, why not medics.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/15/mind-the-gap-announcer-phil-sayer-dies-aged-62?CMP=fb_gu
Oddly I always had it in my mind you would be named on the front page of the Times one day just not as a feature writer though.......
Leaving the EU would cut off that competition and push up my wages . I am not afraid of competition. I am very good at my job.
Not at all. If better/cheaper docs are available we can invite them in. You can cut you money demand to compete.
Middle class entitlement culture.
It makes no difference how good you are, if someone equally proficient from Eastern Europe will do your job for 50% less.
Time to scrap pay scales, and embrace Europe in the event of Remain, don't you agree? Level the playing field. Or should it be different for Middle Class Dr Jemima's and Foxes?
But I am glad that you are converted to the benefits of EU migration. Shall I mark you down as Remain?
Shall I mark you down as too frit to abandon pay scales, and ditch the cosy Middle Class entitlement racket? You remind me of those BBC staff who claim they'd be worth multiples of their pay in Commercial Broadcasting, yet remain strangely unwilling to abandon the Licence Fee in favour of subscription.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjGb6otxUg
https://sites.google.com/site/profgeorgeleesrevelations/dear-taxpayer-i-want-to-tell-you-about-the-prime-minister-s-boiler-room-in-finchley-road/barbara-kahan-from-finchley-who-becomes-mohamed-javed-akhtar-in-the-next-tier-of-the-ponzi-shell-company
https://ukgovernmentwatch.wordpress.com/barbara-kahan/
And then Watford30 and other apologists on here say nothing to see here, move along. Pull the other one.
- Voltaire
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/aqWJlHS4_rJSJ7rLgTK49iO4gAg/appointments
http://www.streetviewonline.com/greenacres-london-n3-3sf.php
after last night's debate, the Brooklyn Brawl, Hillary Clinton heads west to California for 2 fundraisers hosted by George and Amal Clooney: Bernie Sanders - a Jewish boy from Brooklyn - heads to The Vatican at the invitation of the pope.
This presidential campaign is the wierdest in my lifetime.
http://www.companieshousedata.co.uk/a/1672
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/cb5CcMQQoDpUJJ_VtVVRz8L00HQ/appointments
So 8 versions of the 2 Woodberry Grove address - you simply can't make this $hit up!
My own home address can be formatted multiple ways depending on who is using it, be it Companies House or Amazon.
Companies House need to trawl their database and get a few businesses to update their records correctly.
You haven't found a smoking gun, Ponzi scheme, boiler room, or the Temple of Zuhl, but a legitimate formation business. Your time would be better spent playing with your Roman Coin collection or charting something. Maybe your sanity.