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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    James Dornan SNP ‏@glasgowcathcart
    Watching @bbcquestiontime it's hard to believe that @DanHannanMEP makes his money from his hated European Union paymasters.

    Daniel Hannan ‏@DanHannanMEP
    Daniel Hannan Retweeted James Dornan SNP
    If it bothers you, James, there's an easy solution: #VoteLeave!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961
    Hannan 8/10
    Robertson 8/10
    Jones 8/10
    Tax lady 7/10
    Owen Smith 2/10
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pulpstar said:

    Hannan 8/10
    Robertson 8/10
    Jones 8/10
    Tax lady 7/10
    Owen Smith 2/10

    Too high for the mad tax lady and the Green Lady, too low for Owen Smith.

    Angus Robertson very effective at putting the Tories on the rack. No love lost for them in Doncaster. He would be a good LOTO.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    AndyJS said:

    Is Portillo in favour of Brexit?

    Yes, he said so a few months ago
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961
    Twitter is furious with Jenny Jones lol
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
    If the Greeks want someone elses money they cannot dictate the terms.

    It is noticeable that the countries that implemented genuine reforms (Spain, Ireland) are growing quite quickly now while those that resisted reform (Greece, Italy) are flaccid at best.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pulpstar said:

    Some proper crackpot ideas on IHT in the audience (And Owen Smith wanting to tax any estate over £215k ffsake)

    That would take the threshold back to the level (in nominal terms) in force in 1997.

    The IHT (and its precursors) threshold has never been reduced in nominal terms since its introduction (@£100) in 1914...

    Yet another tax I happily avoided/dodged/successfully navigated. Thanx, Gord!
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,290
    edited April 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Angus Robertson now labelling those earning over £150,000 as "ultra-rich".

    In addition to taxpayers with an annual income of more than £150,000 and wealth of between £2.5 million and £20 million, the unit will also cover those with wealth in the range £1 million to £2.5 million. <-

    I'd say that was "rich", not "ultra-rich".

    Ultra rich surely is ~ £100m+ ?</p>

    How does the taxman know how much wealth you have?

    You could have £1m on deposit @ 1% to 2% producing £10k to £20k.

    Some people now have £1m in an ISA. OK, not many people but quite a few will have approx £500k - producing zero taxable income.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919
    runnymede said:

    Roger said:

    It

    tyson said:

    I tried to be kind about Hoey calling her a narcissist. If I had clearly spoken my mind I would be accused of being the most appalling misogynist.

    Roger said:

    tyson said:

    As usual Roger we appear to be in the same place. Corbyn was good today and his reasons for staying in Europe were sensible.

    Funny really since the election- Corbyn has been pretty much on the right side of the money on most things. I was wrong before about Ed Miliband- Corbyn is a step above, but still hapless I'm afraid.



    Roger said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    Silly comment. He did what everyone has done. He pointed out why he believed it was in our interests to stay in despite it's faults. The best speech I've heard him make as it happens and I thought his reasons for recommending Remain were persuasive. It was his measured approach that made him believable. Kate Hoey should have taken note.
    I don't know whether you got to hear Kate Hoey? In answer to Corbyn they used a comment from Hoey. Had it been from the outer reaches of UKIP it would be understandable but from a Labour MP after he'd made a speech about social justice just made her look batty
    It's a pity that after a Labour leader made the first really impressive argument to Remain from the perspective of social justice it should be undermined by someone on the same side.

    There are many reasons she could have argued why she didn't think belonging to the EU was in Britain's interest but that's not what she did. She dismissed him as a fake.
    if the cap fits
    Corbyn has many attributes that make him unfit to be Prime Minister: an appalling attitude to terrorism, a stance on the Middle East that invites facepalms, an economic mindset last seen in 1983, the list is endless...

    ...but none of them is "fake". Off all the insults you could have leveled at him, "fake" is probably the least likely.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,112
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Angus Robertson now labelling those earning over £150,000 as "ultra-rich".

    In addition to taxpayers with an annual income of more than £150,000 and wealth of between £2.5 million and £20 million, the unit will also cover those with wealth in the range £1 million to £2.5 million. <-

    I'd say that was "rich", not "ultra-rich".

    Ultra rich surely is ~ £100m+ ?</p>

    It is close to the threshold for the top 1%, £160,000, so that is pretty rich even if not maybe super rich
    The top 1% for income and the top 1% for net worth and not the same set of people.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Menheniot:
    Con 532;
    LD 472;
    UKIP 177;
    LAB 67;
    GRN 65
    CON HOLD

    Lib Dems into good second place. Tory majority cut.

    Sleasy Tories continue to be on the slide, Dr Fox.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    edited April 2016
    I wonder if Alex Massie reads pb.com

    Today's starter for ten: how does this photograph [of Cameron, Ashdown & Kinnock] make you feel? Does it make you angry? Does it do more than that? Perhaps your are the kind of person who feels this a truly shameful photograph.

    Perhaps, if this is the case, you need to get out more. Perhaps you also need a holiday from politics.


    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/if-you-think-this-photograph-is-shameful-you-should-probably-be-ashamed-of-yourself/
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    PClipp said:

    Menheniot:
    Con 532;
    LD 472;
    UKIP 177;
    LAB 67;
    GRN 65
    CON HOLD

    Lib Dems into good second place. Tory majority cut.

    Sleasy Tories continue to be on the slide, Dr Fox.

    Sleazy kippers on the slide too! :-)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,961
    RodCrosby said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Some proper crackpot ideas on IHT in the audience (And Owen Smith wanting to tax any estate over £215k ffsake)

    That would take the threshold back to the level (in nominal terms) in force in 1997.

    The IHT (and its precursors) threshold has never been reduced in nominal terms since its introduction (@£100) in 1914...

    Yet another tax I happily avoided/dodged/successfully navigated. Thanx, Gord!
    It's nothing more than makework for lawyers I think
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    viewcode said:

    runnymede said:

    Roger said:

    It

    tyson said:

    I tried to be kind about Hoey calling her a narcissist. If I had clearly spoken my mind I would be accused of being the most appalling misogynist.

    Roger said:

    tyson said:

    As usual Roger we appear to be in the same place. Corbyn was good today and his reasons for staying in Europe were sensible.

    Funny really since the election- Corbyn has been pretty much on the right side of the money on most things. I was wrong before about Ed Miliband- Corbyn is a step above, but still hapless I'm afraid.



    Roger said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:

    Great speech by Corbyn. He said everything that needed to be said. We have to save the hard won rights which the Johnson government cabal will demolish as soon as possible.

    Johnson government cabal ?

    Alan or Boris ?
    Both would probably follow the same policies.
    Too early to vilify though, none are PM yet.

    I too I was satisfied with Corbyn's speech, he came as close to supporting Leave as he could.
    Listing all the faults of the EU and then adding Remain on the end was quite a laugh.
    Silly comment. He did what everyone has done. He pointed out why he believed it was in our interests to stay in despite it's faults. The best speech I've heard him make as it happens and I thought his reasons for recommending Remain were persuasive. It was his measured approach that made him believable. Kate Hoey should have taken note.
    I don't know whether you got to hear Kate Hoey? In answer to Corbyn they used a comment from Hoey. Had it been from the outer reaches of UKIP it would be understandable but from a Labour MP after he'd made a speech about social justice just made her look batty
    It's a pity that after a Labour leader made the first really impressive argument to Remain from the perspective of social justice it should be undermined by someone on the same side.

    There are many reasons she could have argued why she didn't think belonging to the EU was in Britain's interest but that's not what she did. She dismissed him as a fake.
    if the cap fits
    Corbyn has many attributes that make him unfit to be Prime Minister: an appalling attitude to terrorism, a stance on the Middle East that invites facepalms, an economic mindset last seen in 1983, the list is endless...

    ...but none of them is "fake". Off all the insults you could have leveled at him, "fake" is probably the least likely.
    His EU U-turn.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
    Casting Greece as the innocent victim of the EU is like casting White Dee as the innocent victim of social security.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    Fox

    Clinton 48 Sanders 46

    Trump 45 Cruz 27 Kasich 25

    Clinton 48 Trump 41
    Clinton 45 Cruz 44
    Kasich 49 Clinton 40

    Sanders 53 Trump 39
    Sanders 51 Cruz 39
    Sanders 47 Kasich 43
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/14/fox-news-poll-trump-widens-lead-in-gop-race-clinton-sanders-tightens.html?intcmp=hpbt1
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MikeL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Angus Robertson now labelling those earning over £150,000 as "ultra-rich".

    In addition to taxpayers with an annual income of more than £150,000 and wealth of between £2.5 million and £20 million, the unit will also cover those with wealth in the range £1 million to £2.5 million. <-

    I'd say that was "rich", not "ultra-rich".

    Ultra rich surely is ~ £100m+ ?</p>

    How does the taxman know how much wealth you have?

    You could have £1m on deposit @ 1% to 2% producing £10k to £20k.

    Some people now have £1m in an ISA. OK, not many people but quite a few will have approx £500k - producing zero taxable income.
    I suppose anyone buying a million pound house without a visible income appropriate to its purchase would and should flag up to the authorities. They may well have had a lottery win, but a little curiosity as to where there money comes from is not unreasonable.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited April 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Some proper crackpot ideas on IHT in the audience (And Owen Smith wanting to tax any estate over £215k ffsake)

    That would take the threshold back to the level (in nominal terms) in force in 1997.

    The IHT (and its precursors) threshold has never been reduced in nominal terms since its introduction (@£100) in 1914...

    Yet another tax I happily avoided/dodged/successfully navigated. Thanx, Gord!
    It's nothing more than makework for lawyers I think
    With enough foresight and modest ability, every man can be his own lawyer. It's an over-rated profession, like plumbing...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    CBS

    Clinton 50 Sanders 44

    Trump 42 Cruz 29 Kasich 18

    Clinton 50 Trump 40
    Clinton 45 Cruz 42
    Kasich 47 Clinton 41

    Sanders 53 Trump 36
    Sanders 50 Cruz 38
    Sanders 46 Kasich 41
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-but-voters-view-both-unfavorably/
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Priceless -

    last night Bernie Sanders gave a speech to 22,000 in Washington Square Park wearing a CWA jacket, the union of the striking Verizon workers. It received much coverage.

    Not to be outdone, Hillary Clinton today visited the pickets at a Verizon retail store, to show her support for the strikers. It received hardly any coverage.

    It also emerged today that in 2013 she gave a speech to Verizon, for which she was paid $220,000.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,112
    HYUFD said:

    Fox

    Clinton 48 Trump 41
    Clinton 45 Cruz 44
    Kasich 49 Clinton 40

    Sanders 53 Trump 39
    Sanders 51 Cruz 39
    Sanders 47 Kasich 43

    Common sense has to be that those polls bear no relation to how those match-ups would play out in reality, particularly in the case of Kasich v Democrat.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016
    O/T:

    "Paul Morley: ‘Pop belongs to the last century. Classical music is more relevant to the future’

    For years, this rock critic viewed classical music as pompous art of the past. Now, tired of pop, he explains why classical is the truly subversive form - and selects six favourite pieces to convert the unbeliever"


    http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/sep/21/pop-belongs-last-century-classical-music-relevant-future-paul-morley
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919

    viewcode said:



    Corbyn has many attributes that make him unfit to be Prime Minister: an appalling attitude to terrorism, a stance on the Middle East that invites facepalms, an economic mindset last seen in 1983, the list is endless...

    ...but none of them is "fake". Off all the insults you could have leveled at him, "fake" is probably the least likely.

    His EU U-turn.
    Circular logic. Why do you think his stance on the EU is fake? He explained it clearly enough. He may be deluded (may?!) but there's no reason to doubt his sincerity
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
    If the Greeks want someone elses money they cannot dictate the terms.

    It is noticeable that the countries that implemented genuine reforms (Spain, Ireland) are growing quite quickly now while those that resisted reform (Greece, Italy) are flaccid at best.
    With Podemos on the verge of power in Spain that picture may soon change and Ireland has a split government now
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Adam Aron is an idiot for pandering to the kids on this:

    "AMC Entertainment CEO Open to Allowing Texting in Some Theaters"

    http://variety.com/2016/film/news/amc-texting-theaters-phones-1201752978/
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Angus Robertson now labelling those earning over £150,000 as "ultra-rich".

    In addition to taxpayers with an annual income of more than £150,000 and wealth of between £2.5 million and £20 million, the unit will also cover those with wealth in the range £1 million to £2.5 million. <-

    I'd say that was "rich", not "ultra-rich".

    Ultra rich surely is ~ £100m+ ?</p>

    It is close to the threshold for the top 1%, £160,000, so that is pretty rich even if not maybe super rich
    The top 1% for income and the top 1% for net worth and not the same set of people.
    Robertson was talking about those earning over £150k not net worth but there is a big overlap
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Adam Aron is an idiot for pandering to the kids on this:

    "AMC Entertainment CEO Open to Allowing Texting in Some Theaters"

    http://variety.com/2016/film/news/amc-texting-theaters-phones-1201752978/

    It's a dreadful idea.


    If you'e ever been to an AMC theatre you'll know this is bowing to the inevitable - they're doing it anyway
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
    If the Greeks want someone elses money they cannot dictate the terms.

    It is noticeable that the countries that implemented genuine reforms (Spain, Ireland) are growing quite quickly now while those that resisted reform (Greece, Italy) are flaccid at best.
    With Podemos on the verge of power in Spain that picture may soon change and Ireland has a split government now
    Sure, they could reverse their reforms, but both are having pretty convincing growth under the current regime.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
    If the Greeks want someone elses money they cannot dictate the terms.

    It is noticeable that the countries that implemented genuine reforms (Spain, Ireland) are growing quite quickly now while those that resisted reform (Greece, Italy) are flaccid at best.
    With Podemos on the verge of power in Spain that picture may soon change and Ireland has a split government now
    Sure, they could reverse their reforms, but both are having pretty convincing growth under the current regime.
    Yes but that current regime is only a caretaker and will soon be gone
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited April 2016

    HYUFD said:

    Fox

    Clinton 48 Trump 41
    Clinton 45 Cruz 44
    Kasich 49 Clinton 40

    Sanders 53 Trump 39
    Sanders 51 Cruz 39
    Sanders 47 Kasich 43

    Common sense has to be that those polls bear no relation to how those match-ups would play out in reality, particularly in the case of Kasich v Democrat.
    Why? Sanders has the momentum right now and Trump and Cruz are tearing themselves apart, Kasich does beat Clinton. The Panama revelations may well have helped give boosts to Corbyn and Sanders in the polls with the perception being the rich are avoiding taking their fair share of the burden of getting the finances in shape
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,112
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fox

    Clinton 48 Trump 41
    Clinton 45 Cruz 44
    Kasich 49 Clinton 40

    Sanders 53 Trump 39
    Sanders 51 Cruz 39
    Sanders 47 Kasich 43

    Common sense has to be that those polls bear no relation to how those match-ups would play out in reality, particularly in the case of Kasich v Democrat.
    Why? Sanders has the momentum right now and Trump and Cruz are tearing themselves apart, Kasich does beat Clinton. The Panama revelations may well have helped give boosts to Corbyn and Sanders in the polls with the perception being the rich are avoiding taking their fair share of the burden of getting the finances in shape
    Sanders has momentum in the Democratic race but does anyone seriously see him winning the general against a moderate Republican opponent, the same man who would apparently hammer Clinton by nearly 10 points?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    Corbyn has many attributes that make him unfit to be Prime Minister: an appalling attitude to terrorism, a stance on the Middle East that invites facepalms, an economic mindset last seen in 1983, the list is endless...

    ...but none of them is "fake". Off all the insults you could have leveled at him, "fake" is probably the least likely.

    His EU U-turn.
    Circular logic. Why do you think his stance on the EU is fake? He explained it clearly enough. He may be deluded (may?!) but there's no reason to doubt his sincerity
    If corbyn was just a ordinary MP and not the leader of a massive majority of pro EU labour party of MP's,I could see the guy on the leave side,my view ;-)

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097
    edited April 2016

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    Fox

    Clinton 48 Trump 41
    Clinton 45 Cruz 44
    Kasich 49 Clinton 40

    Sanders 53 Trump 39
    Sanders 51 Cruz 39
    Sanders 47 Kasich 43

    Common sense has to be that those polls bear no relation to how those match-ups would play out in reality, particularly in the case of Kasich v Democrat.
    Why? Sanders has the momentum right now and Trump and Cruz are tearing themselves apart, Kasich does beat Clinton. The Panama revelations may well have helped give boosts to Corbyn and Sanders in the polls with the perception being the rich are avoiding taking their fair share of the burden of getting the finances in shape
    Sanders has momentum in the Democratic race but does anyone seriously see him winning the general against a moderate Republican opponent, the same man who would apparently hammer Clinton by nearly 10 points?
    In the present anti establishment climate anything is possible, we had a poll today showing Corbyn's Labour leading the supposedly moderate Tories. Clinton is establishment, Sanders is not
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

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    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
    If the Greeks want someone elses money they cannot dictate the terms.

    It is noticeable that the countries that implemented genuine reforms (Spain, Ireland) are growing quite quickly now while those that resisted reform (Greece, Italy) are flaccid at best.
    With Podemos on the verge of power in Spain that picture may soon change and Ireland has a split government now
    Sure, they could reverse their reforms, but both are having pretty convincing growth under the current regime.
    Yes but that current regime is only a caretaker and will soon be gone
    Possibly, but if they reverse the reforms will they reverse the growth?

    Time for bed now that Leicester Liz has retired for some Blue Nun in the green room.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,097

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    I watched parts off Corbyn's speech today- it was actually rather good.

    Of course Corbyn believes in Europe. He understands out of it we are left to the terrors of the right. I think Cameron and Corbyn share the same fears.

    Kate Hoey is just another narcissist.

    BTW- a big congrats to City and Liverpool

    Roger said:

    I've no idea whether Corbyn in the privacy of his own bedroom really thinks it's a good idea to stay in the EU. But for Kate Hoey to say he's saying something he doesn't believe is just bonkers. Does she want to get into an argument with her leader about whether he's lying about something only he can know the answer to? She really does come across as stupid .

    By "left to the terrors of the right" do you mean democracy?

    Before anyone rants about our voting system recall that even under PR the last election would have had a right wing majority.
    As Dan Hannan pointed out arguably freed from the EU a Corbyn government would have free reign to implement a socialist manifesto if that was the democratic will of the voters, which as Greece and Syriza has shown is not the case now so the argument holds the other way too. That was why Benn opposed the EU
    The Greeks could implement a Socialist manifesto in the EU, but they cannot expect other countries to pay for it.

    Yes and it was the EU which allowed the Germans to force through greater austerity than the Greeks desired
    If the Greeks want someone elses money they cannot dictate the terms.

    It is noticeable that the countries that implemented genuine reforms (Spain, Ireland) are growing quite quickly now while those that resisted reform (Greece, Italy) are flaccid at best.
    With Podemos on the verge of power in Spain that picture may soon change and Ireland has a split government now
    Sure, they could reverse their reforms, but both are having pretty convincing growth under the current regime.
    Yes but that current regime is only a caretaker and will soon be gone
    Possibly, but if they reverse the reforms will they reverse the growth?

    Time for bed now that Leicester Liz has retired for some Blue Nun in the green room.
    Who knows but Podemos will certainly push for more regulation of business, higher taxes on the rich and a relaxing of spending cuts
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919

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    Corbyn has many attributes that make him unfit to be Prime Minister: an appalling attitude to terrorism, a stance on the Middle East that invites facepalms, an economic mindset last seen in 1983, the list is endless...

    ...but none of them is "fake". Off all the insults you could have leveled at him, "fake" is probably the least likely.

    His EU U-turn.
    Circular logic. Why do you think his stance on the EU is fake? He explained it clearly enough. He may be deluded (may?!) but there's no reason to doubt his sincerity
    If corbyn was just a ordinary MP and not the leader of a massive majority of pro EU labour party of MP's,I could see the guy on the leave side,my view ;-)

    Plausible in the hypothetical circumstances you relate, but given the unions' stance and the stories of Yannis Varoufakis's advisory role recommending REMAIN in the actual circumstances, his stance is unsurprising.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Someone mentioned Wagner and the Siegfried Funeral March the other night.

    Great video here (WARNING: not for those allergic to flash-photography or prone to epilepsy, or to be played at this time of night at all, really, unless you're fortunate enough to live in splendid isolation.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC-pA81QxGs

    Timeless, elemental, transcendental... Will still be played a thousand years hence...

    Wagner was the ultimate genius. Not only a new kind of music, but a new kind of orchestra and new kinds of instruments even. Music from the bowels of the Earth.

    How powerful the silences are, too.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    Corbyn has many attributes that make him unfit to be Prime Minister: an appalling attitude to terrorism, a stance on the Middle East that invites facepalms, an economic mindset last seen in 1983, the list is endless...

    ...but none of them is "fake". Off all the insults you could have leveled at him, "fake" is probably the least likely.

    His EU U-turn.
    Circular logic. Why do you think his stance on the EU is fake? He explained it clearly enough. He may be deluded (may?!) but there's no reason to doubt his sincerity
    If corbyn was just a ordinary MP and not the leader of a massive majority of pro EU labour party of MP's,I could see the guy on the leave side,my view ;-)

    Plausible in the hypothetical circumstances you relate, but given the unions' stance and the stories of Yannis Varoufakis's advisory role recommending REMAIN in the actual circumstances, his stance is unsurprising.
    Why on earth would any British person or entity take the advise of Varoufakis on EU matters? He advice proved so successful for Greece.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    Someone mentioned Wagner and the Siegfried Funeral March the other night.

    Great video here (WARNING: not for those allergic to flash-photography or prone to epilepsy, or to be played at this time of night at all, really, unless you're fortunate enough to live in splendid isolation.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC-pA81QxGs

    Timeless, elemental, transcendental... Will still be played a thousand years hence...

    Wagner was the ultimate genius. Not only a new kind of music, but a new kind of orchestra and new kinds of instruments even. Music from the bowels of the Earth.

    How powerful the silences are, too.

    Thanks for posting the video.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    Byline (don't) address their naming of Whittingdale's partner - it reads very much like the tabloid trash they profess to deprecate:

    https://www.byline.com/column/20/article/981
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Someone mentioned Wagner and the Siegfried Funeral March the other night.

    Great video here (WARNING: not for those allergic to flash-photography or prone to epilepsy, or to be played at this time of night at all, really, unless you're fortunate enough to live in splendid isolation.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC-pA81QxGs

    Timeless, elemental, transcendental... Will still be played a thousand years hence...

    Wagner was the ultimate genius. Not only a new kind of music, but a new kind of orchestra and new kinds of instruments even. Music from the bowels of the Earth.

    How powerful the silences are, too.

    Thanks for posting the video.
    remarkable video. great I'm not so sure. Like Wagner, could have done with toning it down a bit on occasion :).

    Not to say he wasn't a genius. but he could perhaps have done with an editor
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Byline (don't) address their naming of Whittingdale's partner - it reads very much like the tabloid trash they profess to deprecate:

    https://www.byline.com/column/20/article/981

    Its the Zelo Street guy (who has his own blog) and goes totally swiveled eyed about anything Murdoch related.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Portillo did some programmes on Wagner a few years ago but I can't find them on YouTube.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AndyJS said:

    Portillo did some programmes on Wagner a few years ago but I can't find them on YouTube.

    or Amazon
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    Mr Lavery has not been paying attention:

    He says the mortgage was a "private" matter and denies any impropriety

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36046675

    Ask Cameron how 'private matter' works......and Hopi Sen has been tweeting on relevant Trade Union law.....A Union must publish "any benefit provided to or in respect of" their top officials.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    edited April 2016
    Apols if posted before - but once again, UKIP voters are in a league of their own when it comes to the factors that will sway them on their EURef vote, and the risks involved.

    Which ONE of the following will be most important to you in deciding how to vote in the referendum? (Diff vs OA)

    "Economy" (jobs/investment)
    Con: -1
    Lab: +14
    LibD: +16
    UKIP: -24

    "Immigration"
    Con: +4
    Lab: -10
    LibD: -6
    UKIP: +20

    On "Sovereignty" there was little variation between parties, with CON most concerned.

    How safe or risky do you think it would be for Britain to leave the European Union?
    (diff vs OA)
    Risky
    Con: +1
    Lab: +19
    LibD: +27
    UKIP: -40

    Safe
    Con: +4
    Lab: -13
    LibD: -19
    UKIP: +76

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/k0c0qjfg6w/TimesResults_160412_VI&EURef_W.pdf
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2016
    One of the congressmen attending the Trump supporters meeting today at the Capitol Hill Club let slip during impromptu comments afterwards that the Trump campaign expects to arrive at the convention with about 1270 delegates.

    They need to get some Cruz delegate expertise fast
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    A well known law firm specialising in celebrity injunctions have written to PopBitch......this is their response:

    http://popbitch.com/home/2016/04/14/the-letter-of-the-law/
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