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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Slackbladder, if they want fewer derogatory comments they could always stop employing Anita Sarkeesian [believe it's her on the picture, top left].
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It's more than a week since the last EU referendum poll...
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    AndyJS said:

    It's more than a week since the last EU referendum poll...

    No it isn't.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    The Telegraph demand that even subscribers turn off ad blockers - given I've spent a week trying to log-in during even the small hours to no effect - this is one paying customer who won't be renewing.

    Guardian to consider preventing access to content if ad-blocking proliferates

    David Pemsel, chief executive of Guardian Media Group, says newspaper is undertaking testing of pop-up message asking readers to switch off ad-blockers

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/12/guardian-to-consider-preventing-access-to-content-if-ad-blocking-identified?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

    Why would you subscribe to The Telegraph when you can get it for free legitimately ?
    How do I do that, Mr. Eagles?
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    Good news, we will still be getting a ComRes online poll on behalf of the Independent and Sunday Mirror.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,709

    Mr. Slackbladder, if they want fewer derogatory comments they could always stop employing Anita Sarkeesian [believe it's her on the picture, top left].

    And they're in danger of creating a virtual 'safe space' where only people which agree are welcome.
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    DavidL said:

    Moses_ said:

    So the hypocrisy of Labour and its Leader laid bare for all to see

    Nick Sutton ✔‎@suttonnick
    Tuesday's Metro front page:
    Corbyn the tax bodger#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers
    9:29 PM - 11 Apr 2016
    15 15 Retweets 7 7 likes


    They have even managed to get "evade" into the quote about Corbyn. Risky if not correct

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7067902/Question-mark-over-
    Jeremy-Corbyns-tax-affairs-after-he-failed-to-declare-450-earnings-to-taxman.html

    "The Opposition Leader’s office said it was unable to explain why Mr Corbyn did not declare
    the additional £450 to the HMRC in his tax return? His spokesman told The Sun: “I’m sure
    there is a simple reason for the difference but I will look into it.”

    Yeah just like the simple law abiding explanation Dave gave but leftie self righteous mob fury ignored

    There are a few questions arising from that embarrassingly amateurish effort that was produced yesterday. Where were his lodger's rental income? No interest on savings at all? Really? No shares. No claims for tax relief on any charitable donations? Apparently poor records of other earnings. No obvious statements about benefits in kind or legitimate but taxable Parliamentary expenses.

    It is quite clear he is used to doing this himself and as an irrelevant backbencher that was probably fine, if somewhat unwise. But this return was filled in as LOTO. He really should have got some professional help to make sure it was accurate and bullet proof. No one sensible would suggest there is anything major here, other than incompetence, but really, what a fool.
    And thats the money shot for how the general public view Corbyn.

    An incompetent tool.

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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Osborne is certainly doing the Remain campaign no favours in eurosceptic East Anglia with his compulsory edict that its citizens must have an elected mayor.Fait acomplis like this one gets peoples' backs up when no-one seems to want it.Another self-inflicted wound.
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    The Telegraph demand that even subscribers turn off ad blockers - given I've spent a week trying to log-in during even the small hours to no effect - this is one paying customer who won't be renewing.

    Guardian to consider preventing access to content if ad-blocking proliferates

    David Pemsel, chief executive of Guardian Media Group, says newspaper is undertaking testing of pop-up message asking readers to switch off ad-blockers

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/12/guardian-to-consider-preventing-access-to-content-if-ad-blocking-identified?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

    Why would you subscribe to The Telegraph when you can get it for free legitimately ?
    How do I do that, Mr. Eagles?
    Either delete your cookies/history or view telegraph articles in the incognito browser

    http://lifehacker.com/get-around-paywalls-with-incognito-mode-1679310015
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,760
    That YouGov Scottish poll on Ruth & Keiza - given half the electorate say they'll vote SNP, (so may have no view, or a hostile view, on their merits) - its worth looking at what their own voters think of the two leaders, so among VI (Con on Ruth, Labour on Keiza):

    Davidson/Dugdale, among own VI:

    Better leader of the opposition: 74 : 44
    Better job of holding SNP govt to account: 71 : 34
    More Competent: 72 : 30


    SNP voters also think Ruth would be a better leader of the Opposition (28 : 16, tho 'neither' is on 37).

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5ucqccoike/Times_Scotland_160411_Website_VI_Davidson_Dugdale.pdf
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    The Telegraph demand that even subscribers turn off ad blockers - given I've spent a week trying to log-in during even the small hours to no effect - this is one paying customer who won't be renewing.

    Guardian to consider preventing access to content if ad-blocking proliferates

    David Pemsel, chief executive of Guardian Media Group, says newspaper is undertaking testing of pop-up message asking readers to switch off ad-blockers

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/12/guardian-to-consider-preventing-access-to-content-if-ad-blocking-identified?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

    Why would you subscribe to The Telegraph when you can get it for free legitimately ?
    How do I do that, Mr. Eagles?
    Incognito mode on Chrome. The Telegraph use cookie tracking for their free article count unlike the FT who make you sign in and count it on their side. Apparently this is their solution to ensure traffic stats (and therefore ad yield) doesn't drop as drastically as The Times when they introduced the pay wall. I'm sure they will eventually make the change to counting the free articles on their side like the FT, but for now it is easy to get free articles from the Telegraph and they don't seem overly bothered by blocking it. I don't know how much the subscription is, but I've found that I visit less and less.

    Also, their mobile site is completely free to access with no article limit.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @DavidL "Where were his lodger's rental income?"

    Perhaps it was payment in kind.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,047
    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    I'm not sure that's the whole story of why London trended towards Labour at the last election but I suspect it was part of it. The concern going well below the 50k mark of course. In other parts of the UK I'm not sure EdM's message on inequality would have resonated with those on 50k. Indeed it might have felt threatening.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @Morris_Dancer

    While you're about, Mr. D., please could you answer a question?

    When does your new Sir Edric book come out? I only ask because my son's birthday is coming up next month and I was thinking about ordering a second copy as a present for him? (I have also lost the link I used to pre-order my copy)
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    Osborne is certainly doing the Remain campaign no favours in eurosceptic East Anglia with his compulsory edict that its citizens must have an elected mayor.Fait acomplis like this one gets peoples' backs up when no-one seems to want it.Another self-inflicted wound.

    If Cameron had any sense he would sack Osborne now. He is becoming a serious liability.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    It's more than a week since the last EU referendum poll...

    No it isn't.
    Is Wikipedia wrong then?
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Oops - government is getting form on this sort of thing...first generals, now...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/12/brexit-photographer-government-pro-eu-leaflet-no-permission/
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Llama, hmm. That might be an issue with either the hardback in particular or the publisher's site in general (or it might be in the post).

    The e-book can be bought here [I appreciate most people don't buy e-books as presents, just highlighting it's out now]: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Edric-Hero-Hornska-Book-ebook/dp/B01DOSP9ZK/

    The hardback link is here, although it does show 100 (of 100) still available. If your current order hasn't gone through, may be wise to refrain from ordering another: http://shop.ticketyboopress.co.uk/index.php?id_product=97&controller=product

    Also, will presently send you a Vanilla mail on this.


    Incidentally, an anthology in which I have a short story came out today: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Haunting-Lake-Manor-Hotel-ebook/dp/B01DQEDAEE/
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    One for the PB brains trust.

    I do a lot of voice calls over my computer (this week have clients in NYC, Sweden, India, China, Thailand and Australia, so have a life ruled by other people's timezones at the moment).

    Does anybody with similar work needs have any recommendations for a headset? Mine is approaching the end of its days. Comfort for long term use, and durability so I don't need to keep buying replacements, are probably the two main criteria. Microphone quality (voice work only) far more important than headphone quality. Not too fussed if I have to pay good dollar for it.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    “The Guardian, once a standard bearer of quality journalism now contains football journalists so in love with Mourinho it makes me sad. This is just the latest in an incredible long campaign for the despicable one to join the club of Matt Busby and Jimmy Murphy. I am astonished that the editor of the paper allows this dross to be published. You are a disgrace to the profession.”

    You answered allow. We thought differently. This was deleted because it is both author abuse and goes beyond reasonable criticism of the piece to smear both the Guardian and the journalist.
    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
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    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    It's more than a week since the last EU referendum poll...

    No it isn't.
    Is Wikipedia wrong then?
    Your interpretation of their information is.

    ORB poll published last Tuesday night

    ICM online poll published last Wednesday

    YouGov poll published last Wednesday.

    There's always a bit of a lag from the fieldwork end date to publication.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    The Telegraph demand that even subscribers turn off ad blockers - given I've spent a week trying to log-in during even the small hours to no effect - this is one paying customer who won't be renewing.

    Guardian to consider preventing access to content if ad-blocking proliferates

    David Pemsel, chief executive of Guardian Media Group, says newspaper is undertaking testing of pop-up message asking readers to switch off ad-blockers

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/12/guardian-to-consider-preventing-access-to-content-if-ad-blocking-identified?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

    Why would you subscribe to The Telegraph when you can get it for free legitimately ?
    How do I do that, Mr. Eagles?
    Either delete your cookies/history or view telegraph articles in the incognito browser

    http://lifehacker.com/get-around-paywalls-with-incognito-mode-1679310015
    Thank you. You may wish to re-visit your idea of the word, "Legitimately", as you seem to be confusing it with the word, "Cheat". Given that you are a legal man and, allegedly, a Conservative, I find that astonishing.

    Anyway it won't help me, even if I were prepared to steal the work of others, because Herself demands a paper copy everyday so that she can do the crossword.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    It's more than a week since the last EU referendum poll...

    No it isn't.
    Is Wikipedia wrong then?
    1st rule taught to rational undergraduates. Do NOT get references from Wikipedia.

    (lefty, stupid subject-studiers no doubt have different rules)
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,344
    AndyJS said:

    Terrible news for the German Social Democrats. They're below 20% in the polls for the first time:

    CDU/CSU 31.5%
    SD 19.5%
    Greens 13.5%
    AfD 12.5%
    Linke 9.5%
    FDP 7.5%
    Others 6%

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    Yes, it's the erratic INSA poll but all the polls are showing a clear shift of 3-4% from the social democrats to the Greens (presumably partly an opposition effect - being the junior government party is death, as the Libdems found here). Meanwhikle, the CDU-AfD position has stabilised at roughly a 6-7% swing.

    I've gone wrong before in Germany extrapolating polls to the General Election - there is a tendency to trend back to the government when the vote approaches. Whether that will happen this time, though, who knows?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,408
    AndyJS said:

    It's more than a week since the last EU referendum poll...

    If the Government leaflet Blitzkreig has an effect for Remain I wouldn't expect it to show until next week's polls.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    “The Guardian, once a standard bearer of quality journalism now contains football journalists so in love with Mourinho it makes me sad. This is just the latest in an incredible long campaign for the despicable one to join the club of Matt Busby and Jimmy Murphy. I am astonished that the editor of the paper allows this dross to be published. You are a disgrace to the profession.”

    You answered allow. We thought differently. This was deleted because it is both author abuse and goes beyond reasonable criticism of the piece to smear both the Guardian and the journalist.
    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)


    They don't like it when they go on the public school rant-athon and then somebody posts the schools all the journos went to...that gets you immediate removal.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    The Guardian does not publish ‘fatuous drivel’ in the CIF section, the articles may be somewhat self-absorbed at times, overly concerned with first world problems for a niche market and smug nonentities who’ve discovered an amazing new lentil, but never fatuous.

    OK, scrub that.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    They're clearly all nasty Tories and Kippers, not nice Labour and SWPers.

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I think SeanT needs to come clean and tell us how many of the worst rants are due to his sock puppet accounts...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    The Telegraph demand that even subscribers turn off ad blockers - given I've spent a week trying to log-in during even the small hours to no effect - this is one paying customer who won't be renewing.

    Guardian to consider preventing access to content if ad-blocking proliferates

    David Pemsel, chief executive of Guardian Media Group, says newspaper is undertaking testing of pop-up message asking readers to switch off ad-blockers

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/12/guardian-to-consider-preventing-access-to-content-if-ad-blocking-identified?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

    Why would you subscribe to The Telegraph when you can get it for free legitimately ?
    How do I do that, Mr. Eagles?
    Either delete your cookies/history or view telegraph articles in the incognito browser

    http://lifehacker.com/get-around-paywalls-with-incognito-mode-1679310015
    Thank you. You may wish to re-visit your idea of the word, "Legitimately", as you seem to be confusing it with the word, "Cheat". Given that you are a legal man and, allegedly, a Conservative, I find that astonishing.

    Anyway it won't help me, even if I were prepared to steal the work of others, because Herself demands a paper copy everyday so that she can do the crossword.
    The Telegraph team know about the loophole and they won't close it down because they don't have enough subscribers to stop their traffic from dropping. The advertising yield is more important to them right now than subscription income. If/when that changes I expect the loophole to be closed and everyone who wants to view any articles (free or otherwise) will have to sign up, just like the FT. The Times were able to stand the massive loss in advertising income because they were part of a massive group back then and they were first out of the gate with the paywall, now it is much more difficult to build an active subscriber base large enough to achieve solid advertising yields.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900

    There are some media sites I use that already restrict access to their content until you turn it off.

    They insist on using the virus-distribution tool known as flash yet wonder why people use adblockers ......
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    One for the PB brains trust.

    I do a lot of voice calls over my computer (this week have clients in NYC, Sweden, India, China, Thailand and Australia, so have a life ruled by other people's timezones at the moment).

    Does anybody with similar work needs have any recommendations for a headset? Mine is approaching the end of its days. Comfort for long term use, and durability so I don't need to keep buying replacements, are probably the two main criteria. Microphone quality (voice work only) far more important than headphone quality. Not too fussed if I have to pay good dollar for it.

    Are you on camera when you do this, or is it all audio i.e. will anybody see you if you are wearing a headset that makes you look a bit like a chump (or professional gamer) but actually has good audio quality?
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227

    Wanderer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just as there are shy Tories and don't we just know it, there are likely to be shy Tory Leavers. To some extent I'm one myself ...... I don't tell all my friends that I'm a pretty firm leaver, there's not much point in having arguments one can't win.

    I suspect if you live somewhere like Putney (or Hampstead!), then there are likely a lot of shy Leavers.

    If you're in Clacton, there might be shy Remainers.
    I'm having lunch with the board of my consultancy firm in 3 weeks time. The owners are both firm Remainers, and live in Barnes. They even gave a short speech at a recent event where they alluded to remembering the first referendum and wondered if history would repeat itself this time with a similar decision - 'nod nod' to the staff.

    I'm not sure what I'll say if Brexit comes up. Probably try and smile and change the subject, but a part of me is thinking of politely making the case for EEA-EFTA.
    I am somewhat of a shy Remainer in that I don't like to get into arguments about it.

    The two sides typically have very little time for each other's arguments. The other week I was having dinner with a friend who is also pro-Remain and he remarked that there was nothing to the Leave case except a hankering for the Empire. I said I thought that was going too far and that there were some sensible arguments for Leave. Then he challenged me to produce one and I couldn't. However, never liking to admit I am wrong, I kept trying for the next hour.
    I could produce arguments for Remain with ease - I generally don't want to, as they have a massive advantage of Government support and being the status quo, but it's not difficult.

    There are a good chunk of Remain supporters (like your friend) who are a little bit embarrassed about Britain, Britishness and British history who worry that UK independence will turbocharge patriotism, social conservatism and anglocentric policymaking, rather than progressive values, diversity and internationalism.

    Quite simply, they think staying in the EU keeps it in check.
    What a very good post, puts me in mind of that tweet by Thornberry of the white van and Union Jack. The establishment loathe the WWC.
    There was no loathing expressed in Thornberry's tweet. Only paranoia in the reaction.
    Yes there was.

    "Look, a patriot, how disgusting".

    Kindly address me as Colonel lady Nugee. I live in a 3 million pound house. Aren't poor white people nasty and horrible.

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Does anybody with similar work needs have any recommendations for a headset? Mine is approaching the end of its days. Comfort for long term use, and durability so I don't need to keep buying replacements, are probably the two main criteria. Microphone quality (voice work only) far more important than headphone quality. Not too fussed if I have to pay good dollar for it.

    For VoIP calls you can't go wrong with Plantronics gear.
    http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/blackwire-725
    is about as good as it gets for (semi)sensible money for about £120 from Amazon, but most of the range are pretty good and go down to twenty odd quid at the cheap end. Jabra is also a solid brand.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Andrew said:

    There are some media sites I use that already restrict access to their content until you turn it off.

    They insist on using the virus-distribution tool known as flash yet wonder why people use adblockers ......
    LOL...I wish they would just put flash out of its misery...
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    The Telegraph demand that even subscribers turn off ad blockers - given I've spent a week trying to log-in during even the small hours to no effect - this is one paying customer who won't be renewing.

    Guardian to consider preventing access to content if ad-blocking proliferates

    David Pemsel, chief executive of Guardian Media Group, says newspaper is undertaking testing of pop-up message asking readers to switch off ad-blockers

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/12/guardian-to-consider-preventing-access-to-content-if-ad-blocking-identified?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

    Why would you subscribe to The Telegraph when you can get it for free legitimately ?
    How do I do that, Mr. Eagles?
    Either delete your cookies/history or view telegraph articles in the incognito browser

    http://lifehacker.com/get-around-paywalls-with-incognito-mode-1679310015
    Thank you. You may wish to re-visit your idea of the word, "Legitimately", as you seem to be confusing it with the word, "Cheat". Given that you are a legal man and, allegedly, a Conservative, I find that astonishing.

    Anyway it won't help me, even if I were prepared to steal the work of others, because Herself demands a paper copy everyday so that she can do the crossword.
    As someone who has clients in the creative industries, I'm quite prepared to declare Sharia Law on anyone who illegally downloads/streams music, films and TV shows.

    The difference is the Telegraph are aware of this loophole, and haven't closed it down, they admitted a while back, if they closed it down, they would lose money/ad revenue as many people wouldn't visit their site if it was 100% paywalled.

    It is a trade off for them.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    The Guardian does not publish ‘fatuous drivel’ in the CIF section, the articles may be somewhat self-absorbed at times, overly concerned with first world problems for a niche market and smug nonentities who’ve discovered an amazing new lentil, but never fatuous.

    OK, scrub that.
    :D
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    One for the PB brains trust.

    I do a lot of voice calls over my computer (this week have clients in NYC, Sweden, India, China, Thailand and Australia, so have a life ruled by other people's timezones at the moment).

    Does anybody with similar work needs have any recommendations for a headset? Mine is approaching the end of its days. Comfort for long term use, and durability so I don't need to keep buying replacements, are probably the two main criteria. Microphone quality (voice work only) far more important than headphone quality. Not too fussed if I have to pay good dollar for it.

    Are you on camera when you do this, or is it all audio i.e. will anybody see you if you are wearing a headset that makes you look a bit like a chump (or professional gamer) but actually has good audio quality?
    I'm never a man who's minded looking like a chump. But generally camera is off, fortunately.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016
    weejonnie said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    It's more than a week since the last EU referendum poll...

    No it isn't.
    Is Wikipedia wrong then?
    1st rule taught to rational undergraduates. Do NOT get references from Wikipedia.

    (lefty, stupid subject-studiers no doubt have different rules)
    Yes I know that in general, but the EU referendum page on Wikipedia has been very reliable so far and is usually updated constantly.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    AndyJS said:

    Terrible news for the German Social Democrats. They're below 20% in the polls for the first time:

    CDU/CSU 31.5%
    SD 19.5%
    Greens 13.5%
    AfD 12.5%
    Linke 9.5%
    FDP 7.5%
    Others 6%

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    Yes, it's the erratic INSA poll but all the polls are showing a clear shift of 3-4% from the social democrats to the Greens (presumably partly an opposition effect - being the junior government party is death, as the Libdems found here). Meanwhikle, the CDU-AfD position has stabilised at roughly a 6-7% swing.

    I've gone wrong before in Germany extrapolating polls to the General Election - there is a tendency to trend back to the government when the vote approaches. Whether that will happen this time, though, who knows?
    I've also noted that the FDP have halted the rise of AfD. A few weeks ago before the regional elections they were hovering around 4-5% and AfD around 11-12%, now the FDP are up to at least 7% and AfD are up to about 12-13%. The CDU seems to be the party taking the hit.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Andrew said:

    There are some media sites I use that already restrict access to their content until you turn it off.

    They insist on using the virus-distribution tool known as flash yet wonder why people use adblockers ......
    It's okay it wont last long, most of the ad blocker authors are working on adblocker-blocker block lists now. Essentially the page is data arriving at your PC, your PC can decide to show or not show whatever it wants, similarly their server only has your browser's word that it is showing ads, it won't be long before someone teaches it to lie ;)
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,598

    “The Guardian, once a standard bearer of quality journalism now contains football journalists so in love with Mourinho it makes me sad. This is just the latest in an incredible long campaign for the despicable one to join the club of Matt Busby and Jimmy Murphy. I am astonished that the editor of the paper allows this dross to be published. You are a disgrace to the profession.”

    You answered allow. We thought differently. This was deleted because it is both author abuse and goes beyond reasonable criticism of the piece to smear both the Guardian and the journalist.
    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)


    Absolutely. I read a few paragraphs of the analysis, and there first example was Jessica Valenti complaining about being called out for writing stupid things, which the Guardian terms "abuse".

    At that point I gave up.

    Imo the thing missing from the Guardian analysis is a mirror.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2016
    A council could become the first in the UK to charge runners to use one of its parks for a weekend fun run. About 300 adults and children regularly take part in two free timed runs organised by parkrun UK in Little Stoke Park near Bristol each weekend.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-36014525

    F##king idiots.
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    Upon reading the article it points out that missives about feminism and rape got the most abuse.

    So IOW, the only reason people got abuse is because they wrote stupid nonsense about biology deniers and rape liars.

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    Andrew said:

    There are some media sites I use that already restrict access to their content until you turn it off.

    They insist on using the virus-distribution tool known as flash yet wonder why people use adblockers ......
    LOL...I wish they would just put flash out of its misery...
    Seconded.
    There have been so many articles that I wanted to read but gave up due to Flash being a complete arse.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    Abuse of turnips is thoroughly reprehensible and OGH certainly abhors the derision directed at poor @malcolmg
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2016
    MattW said:



    Absolutely. I read a few paragraphs of the analysis, and there first example was Jessica Valenti complaining about being called out for writing stupid things, which the Guardian terms "abuse".

    At that point I gave up.

    Imo the thing missing from the Guardian analysis is a mirror.

    STEPHEN FRY HITS OUT AT ‘INFANTILE’ CULTURE OF TRIGGER WORDS AND SAFE SPACES

    http://attitude.co.uk/stephen-fry-hits-out-at-infantile-culture-of-trigger-words-and-safe-spaces/
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Urquhart, agree entirely, not to mention, it's far more cost-effective than the creation and maintenance of a leisure centre.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited April 2016
    Well said. They're terribly thin skinned.
    MattW said:

    “The Guardian, once a standard bearer of quality journalism now contains football journalists so in love with Mourinho it makes me sad. This is just the latest in an incredible long campaign for the despicable one to join the club of Matt Busby and Jimmy Murphy. I am astonished that the editor of the paper allows this dross to be published. You are a disgrace to the profession.”

    You answered allow. We thought differently. This was deleted because it is both author abuse and goes beyond reasonable criticism of the piece to smear both the Guardian and the journalist.
    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)


    Absolutely. I read a few paragraphs of the analysis, and there first example was Jessica Valenti complaining about being called out for writing stupid things, which the Guardian terms "abuse".

    At that point I gave up.

    Imo the thing missing from the Guardian analysis is a mirror.
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    I've just read Roger's latest thread header.

    As I might not be around when it is published, can I state for the record.

    1) I'm absolutely fuming at the opening two sentences.

    2) Roger really should become a regular thread header writer. He's bringing some brilliant insight and analysis to PB.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,216
    edited April 2016
    It is a glorious day in London. I'm off to The Royal Collegevat Greenwich for a big birthday lunch scheduled to last for hours and hours with about 80 rugby fans among whom is one of my dearest friends.

    What fun it will be! I will check in again in a few days.......
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    Well said. They're terribly thin skinned.

    MattW said:

    “The Guardian, once a standard bearer of quality journalism now contains football journalists so in love with Mourinho it makes me sad. This is just the latest in an incredible long campaign for the despicable one to join the club of Matt Busby and Jimmy Murphy. I am astonished that the editor of the paper allows this dross to be published. You are a disgrace to the profession.”

    You answered allow. We thought differently. This was deleted because it is both author abuse and goes beyond reasonable criticism of the piece to smear both the Guardian and the journalist.
    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)


    Absolutely. I read a few paragraphs of the analysis, and there first example was Jessica Valenti complaining about being called out for writing stupid things, which the Guardian terms "abuse".

    At that point I gave up.

    Imo the thing missing from the Guardian analysis is a mirror.
    When a comment like "Do you get paid for writing this nonsense" is classed as abuse.
    It makes the whole piece by the Guardian pretty meaningless,

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    I've just read Roger's latest thread header.

    As I might not be around when it is published, can I state for the record.

    1) I'm absolutely fuming at the opening two sentences.

    2) Roger really should become a regular thread header writer. He's bringing some brilliant insight and analysis to PB.

    I look forward to it, his last one was good and sparked a decent discussion.
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    I've just read Roger's latest thread header.

    As I might not be around when it is published, can I state for the record.

    1) I'm absolutely fuming at the opening two sentences.

    2) Roger really should become a regular thread header writer. He's bringing some brilliant insight and analysis to PB.

    Are any spoilers available?
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    Polruan said:

    I've just read Roger's latest thread header.

    As I might not be around when it is published, can I state for the record.

    1) I'm absolutely fuming at the opening two sentences.

    2) Roger really should become a regular thread header writer. He's bringing some brilliant insight and analysis to PB.

    Are any spoilers available?
    No, I'm a terrible tease.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    edited April 2016
    runnymede said:

    Oops - government is getting form on this sort of thing...first generals, now...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/12/brexit-photographer-government-pro-eu-leaflet-no-permission/


    "Mr Page, ... flies aeroplanes in his spare time, is voting to leave the EU in the June 23 referendum. He ... wanted Britain to quit the bloc because EU legislation had affected flying, adding extra costs for licence renewal and medical checks."


    How much 'EU legislation' is simply regulation that we would have put in place in this country anyway. I can't imagine that if we leave the EU, there is suddenly going to be a free for all in aviation regulation, with any medically dubious person allowed to fly. I suspect this gentleman will continue to be disappointed with the state of the country even if we do vote leave.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Indigo said:

    Does anybody with similar work needs have any recommendations for a headset? Mine is approaching the end of its days. Comfort for long term use, and durability so I don't need to keep buying replacements, are probably the two main criteria. Microphone quality (voice work only) far more important than headphone quality. Not too fussed if I have to pay good dollar for it.

    For VoIP calls you can't go wrong with Plantronics gear.
    http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/blackwire-725
    is about as good as it gets for (semi)sensible money for about £120 from Amazon, but most of the range are pretty good and go down to twenty odd quid at the cheap end. Jabra is also a solid brand.

    That is very useful, cheers.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MaxPB said:

    If Charles is about, I have a question on the TTIP and pharmaceutical procurement. Currently the NHS is the single largest buyer of pharma products in the country and its policies are dictated by NICE. Under the terms of the TTIP will NICE still be able to continue functioning as the gatekeeper to the nation's drug policy or will the US try and have the ECJ rule it illegal as it is a restriction on the fair trade of US pharma products and an artificial barrier by which US companies are being kept out of the UK market? I've heard from a few people that my theory could be correct, but nothing conclusive. I know that US pharma are desperate to get rid of NICE as they feel that UK drug prices could rise by a fair bit without a single national buying policy and I've heard they think TTIP will enable them to challenge it.

    MaxPB said:

    If Charles is about, I have a question on the TTIP and pharmaceutical procurement. Currently the NHS is the single largest buyer of pharma products in the country and its policies are dictated by NICE. Under the terms of the TTIP will NICE still be able to continue functioning as the gatekeeper to the nation's drug policy or will the US try and have the ECJ rule it illegal as it is a restriction on the fair trade of US pharma products and an artificial barrier by which US companies are being kept out of the UK market? I've heard from a few people that my theory could be correct, but nothing conclusive. I know that US pharma are desperate to get rid of NICE as they feel that UK drug prices could rise by a fair bit without a single national buying policy and I've heard they think TTIP will enable them to challenge it.

    Haven't looked specifically at TTIP but NICE isn't in theory about pricing. It's meant to analyse tha pharmeconomic data to determine what the QALY (quality adjusted life year) benefits from drug are. This determines the price at which th recommend hospital trusts prescribe the product. Pharma companies are at liberty to set whatever price the want and trusts ca ignore NICE if they want, so difficult to get get TTIP case working.

    But if they hate it it much we can always abolish , PPRS and benchmark drug pricing t the Netherlands. Then we would really hear the squeal...
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    MattW said:



    Absolutely. I read a few paragraphs of the analysis, and there first example was Jessica Valenti complaining about being called out for writing stupid things, which the Guardian terms "abuse".

    At that point I gave up.

    Imo the thing missing from the Guardian analysis is a mirror.

    STEPHEN FRY HITS OUT AT ‘INFANTILE’ CULTURE OF TRIGGER WORDS AND SAFE SPACES

    http://attitude.co.uk/stephen-fry-hits-out-at-infantile-culture-of-trigger-words-and-safe-spaces/
    Good for Stephen Fry: getting a bit of sense, at last.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I got the government's EU leaflet today, along with something from the Leave campaign which was cheekily (but shrewdly) headlined as "The Facts" (they didn't actually say it was by the Leave campaign anywhere on it).
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    One for the PB brains trust.

    I do a lot of voice calls over my computer (this week have clients in NYC, Sweden, India, China, Thailand and Australia, so have a life ruled by other people's timezones at the moment).

    Does anybody with similar work needs have any recommendations for a headset?

    I use one of these (actually so good I bought another one)

    http://www.jabra.co.uk/business/speakerphones/jabra-speak-series/jabra-speak-510

    It's a speakerphone, not a headset, so you can move about, doesn't appear on camera and works brilliantly (make sure the firmware is up to date though)

    I use it for all my work calls, UK to a US system, then bridged to the rest of the World
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    On DP today was a noxious little sh*t for BSE called James McGrory. Used to handle most of Clegg’s press and communications. That went well then...
    "James McGrory has climbed the greasy pole to become Nick Clegg’s favourite and most trusted spin doctor. Described by some as a cockney thug he is not your typical Liberal Democrat." According to Iain Dale and Brian Brivati
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2016
    Scott_P said:

    One for the PB brains trust.

    I do a lot of voice calls over my computer (this week have clients in NYC, Sweden, India, China, Thailand and Australia, so have a life ruled by other people's timezones at the moment).

    Does anybody with similar work needs have any recommendations for a headset?

    I use one of these (actually so good I bought another one)

    http://www.jabra.co.uk/business/speakerphones/jabra-speak-series/jabra-speak-510

    It's a speakerphone, not a headset, so you can move about, doesn't appear on camera and works brilliantly (make sure the firmware is up to date though)

    I use it for all my work calls, UK to a US system, then bridged to the rest of the World
    I normally say when it comes to audio stuff when in doubt Sennheiser or Sony, but I recently bought some wireless Jabra products and been pretty impressed.

    I got the wireless sport ones and can't complain at all. No number of burpies, floor to skies, etc seem to have dislodged them while still streaming the audio.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
    They probably thought they had found one, writing for the Guardian.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Andrew said:

    There are some media sites I use that already restrict access to their content until you turn it off.

    They insist on using the virus-distribution tool known as flash yet wonder why people use adblockers ......
    LOL...I wish they would just put flash out of its misery...
    Seconded.
    There have been so many articles that I wanted to read but gave up due to Flash being a complete arse.
    Get Flashblock. It's brilliant, because it gets rid of the stupid self-playing animations, but still allows you to look at Flash content if you want to. That and an ad blocker are completely indispensable IMO.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,472

    The Telegraph demand that even subscribers turn off ad blockers - given I've spent a week trying to log-in during even the small hours to no effect - this is one paying customer who won't be renewing.

    Guardian to consider preventing access to content if ad-blocking proliferates

    David Pemsel, chief executive of Guardian Media Group, says newspaper is undertaking testing of pop-up message asking readers to switch off ad-blockers

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/12/guardian-to-consider-preventing-access-to-content-if-ad-blocking-identified?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

    Get subscribed to the Speccie if you haven't already done so. You won't look back.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Also, as I said last night, I predict a Baroness Warsi endorsement for Sadiq Khan before May:

    https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/704772666641752064
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    Andrew said:

    There are some media sites I use that already restrict access to their content until you turn it off.

    They insist on using the virus-distribution tool known as flash yet wonder why people use adblockers ......
    LOL...I wish they would just put flash out of its misery...
    Seconded.
    There have been so many articles that I wanted to read but gave up due to Flash being a complete arse.
    Get Flashblock. It's brilliant, because it gets rid of the stupid self-playing animations, but still allows you to look at Flash content if you want to. That and an ad blocker are completely indispensable IMO.
    Chrome has an inbuilt flashblocker. You have to go into the settings page and set plugins to run on demand.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,008
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    If Charles is about, I have a question on the TTIP and pharmaceutical procurement. Currently the NHS is the single largest buyer of pharma products in the country and its policies are dictated by NICE. Under the terms of the TTIP will NICE still be able to continue functioning as the gatekeeper to the nation's drug policy or will the US try and have the ECJ rule it illegal as it is a restriction on the fair trade of US pharma products and an artificial barrier by which US companies are being kept out of the UK market? I've heard from a few people that my theory could be correct, but nothing conclusive. I know that US pharma are desperate to get rid of NICE as they feel that UK drug prices could rise by a fair bit without a single national buying policy and I've heard they think TTIP will enable them to challenge it.

    Haven't looked specifically at TTIP but NICE isn't in theory about pricing. It's meant to analyse tha pharmeconomic data to determine what the QALY (quality adjusted life year) benefits from drug are. This determines the price at which th recommend hospital trusts prescribe the product. Pharma companies are at liberty to set whatever price the want and trusts ca ignore NICE if they want, so difficult to get get TTIP case working.

    But if they hate it it much we can always abolish , PPRS and benchmark drug pricing t the Netherlands. Then we would really hear the squeal...
    Out bof touch these days. How does drug purchasing .... no, not that sort .... work in the Netherlands/
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I'd assumed a Removed comment involved a four letter word or something more colourful.

    Of course, mentioning where any Guardian columnist went to school is instantly censored.

    It's hilarious - all very free speech until we're the subject of criticism.
    runnymede said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
    They probably thought they had found one, writing for the Guardian.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,344

    On DP today was a noxious little sh*t for BSE called James McGrory. Used to handle most of Clegg’s press and communications. That went well then...
    "James McGrory has climbed the greasy pole to become Nick Clegg’s favourite and most trusted spin doctor. Described by some as a cockney thug he is not your typical Liberal Democrat." According to Iain Dale and Brian Brivati

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited April 2016
    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    I'd assumed a Removed comment involved a four letter word or something more colourful.

    Of course, mentioning where any Guardian columnist went to school is instantly censored.

    It's hilarious - all very free speech until we're the subject of criticism.

    runnymede said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
    They probably thought they had found one, writing for the Guardian.
    An article rubbishing the Muslim attitudes poll is being slaughtered as we speak.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2016

    Pretty desperate stuff.
    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    My point was, as I stated from day one, everybody who has a pension etc has money in these Unit Trust and hedge funds...no matter how much they profess the opposite. It is a fact of life.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    I'd assumed a Removed comment involved a four letter word or something more colourful.

    Of course, mentioning where any Guardian columnist went to school is instantly censored.

    It's hilarious - all very free speech until we're the subject of criticism.

    runnymede said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
    They probably thought they had found one, writing for the Guardian.
    There's a bit lower down that reads:

    "We also found that some subjects attracted more abusive or disruptive comments than others. Conversations about crosswords, cricket, horse racing and jazz were respectful; discussions about the Israel/Palestine conflict were not. Articles about feminism attracted very high levels of blocked comments. And so did rape."

    which made me chuckle for the incongruity.

    Anyway, this is the web they want. This is what they wanted and this what they got.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    Are we saying that any government has only to lift the burden on the middle classes for concerns about 'inequality' to magically disappear?

    It certainly sounds like it!
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,344
    MattW said:



    Imo the thing missing from the Guardian analysis is a mirror.

    Mirror? More of a Sunil on Sunday man, myself :lol:
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    rcs1000 said:

    Patrick said:

    I'm beginning to relax about the Brexit vote. The EU is going to break within the next few years:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/11/olivier-blanchard-eyes-ugly-end-game-for-japan-on-debt-spiral/

    The debt dynamics in this article are based upon an assumed steady state. I think things will be worse than that as we are already overdue another recession. The unfixed Euro crisis has never gone away.

    Debt to GDP is falling in: Spain, Ireland, Portugal... in fact, everywhere except Italy (where it peaks this quarter, and it should decline this year), Greece (which is still fucked), and France (where their economy is in serious trouble). (The data on Spain in that chart ends in June 2015.) not much

    On IMF numbers, most EZ countries are running cyclically adjusted surpluses. You also have to remember that consumer debt levels in the EZ are way below the levels in much of the rest of the world: Italy, Germany and France are all sub-60%. We're north of 150%.
    Cyclically adjusted surpluses are not much use to the many EZ countries in a protracted recession.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    MaxPB,

    Re TTIP and drug pricing. The purpose of the ISDS provisions under the TTIP is to ensure that the government does not penalise companies from other countries by passing laws that affect their business. In other words, they are a way of attempting to prevent the imposition of non-tariff barriers.

    In theory, there could be a case if NICE were to decide that a certain drug class which cost £1 a tablet from a US company was less good value than one from a UK company that had the same efficacy than one with a cost of £1.20. However: (1) the American firm would need to prove in the ISDS tribunal that NICE had acted in a way designed to discriminate against the US firm; and (more importantly), (2) my understanding about the way NICE operates is that it provides an objective assessment, and it is the underlying trusts and doctors who actually order the drugs. If NICE is not actually ruling you cannot buy the US company's drug, merely adjudging that the UK one offered better value, then there could be no case against NICE.

    Where ISDS provisions have tended to be used - and where they clearly infringe on sovereignty - is to prevent local or regional governments passing laws that seemed to target companies from one country. So, the Quebec provincial government passed a law prohibiting certain types of GMOs from being used; the ISDS tribunal decided that this disadvantaged Monsanto and Du Pont and Quebec was forced to reverse it.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,344
    Oh, BTW got my government-funded EU propaganda leaflet in the mail yesterday, has anyone else?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013

    rcs1000 said:

    Patrick said:

    I'm beginning to relax about the Brexit vote. The EU is going to break within the next few years:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/11/olivier-blanchard-eyes-ugly-end-game-for-japan-on-debt-spiral/

    The debt dynamics in this article are based upon an assumed steady state. I think things will be worse than that as we are already overdue another recession. The unfixed Euro crisis has never gone away.

    Debt to GDP is falling in: Spain, Ireland, Portugal... in fact, everywhere except Italy (where it peaks this quarter, and it should decline this year), Greece (which is still fucked), and France (where their economy is in serious trouble). (The data on Spain in that chart ends in June 2015.) not much

    On IMF numbers, most EZ countries are running cyclically adjusted surpluses. You also have to remember that consumer debt levels in the EZ are way below the levels in much of the rest of the world: Italy, Germany and France are all sub-60%. We're north of 150%.
    Cyclically adjusted surpluses are not much use to the many EZ countries in a protracted recession.
    Yeah, but almost all the Eurozone countries are growing right now (not Greece), and the PMIs have everywhere continuing to grow at a reasonable pace.

    It's worth remembering that there are cyclical factors at work: savings rates in the Eurozone soared as the economies turned down south, and there was a multiplier effect from governments attempting to cut spending into the recession. But most of those issues are now behind the bloc - the marginal utility of saving diminishes as balances grow, and governments are no longer cutting spending. Unemployment is now down to the same level it was on 1/1/99 when the Eurozone was first created.

    Even if you believe (as I do) that the long-term GDP growth rate for EZ is probably only 1-1.5%, then you probably still have three or four years of catch up growth in the 1.5-2% range.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The hand waving over that polling is most amusing, it's not surprising anyone - but seeing it in black and white has resulted in much whataboutery.
    taffys said:

    I'd assumed a Removed comment involved a four letter word or something more colourful.

    Of course, mentioning where any Guardian columnist went to school is instantly censored.

    It's hilarious - all very free speech until we're the subject of criticism.

    runnymede said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
    They probably thought they had found one, writing for the Guardian.
    An article rubbishing the Muslim attitudes poll is being slaughtered as we speak.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,344

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Jonathan said:

    Wanderer said:

    Jonathan said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Corbyn went to a good school and came out with two Es. Is any explanation needed beyond 'he's just not very bright'?

    In my experience, those who got Es tended to have the most fun at sixth form. Maybe young Corbyn was a party animal at school.
    Partying or not, you have to be unfathomably stupid or lazy to get an E in a A-level.
    No you don't. Sometimes an E is a good result. In any case, if you believe the Daily Mail, 2 1960/70s Es are worth 5A*s in todays money. ;-)
    They would certainly be worth at least 2C s in todays terms.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
    PBUH
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
    A relative told me that he was annoyed that as a middle earner he was hit, whilst the 1% didn't pay their way.

    "Do you pay all your taxes?", I asked. He confirmed he did.

    "And how much do you earn?". £150k came the reply.

    So I told him, evidently at least one member of the 1% does pay the required tax.

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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Ouch comments as you say

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/what-do-muslims-think-skewed-poll-wont-tell-us#comments
    taffys said:

    I'd assumed a Removed comment involved a four letter word or something more colourful.

    Of course, mentioning where any Guardian columnist went to school is instantly censored.

    It's hilarious - all very free speech until we're the subject of criticism.

    runnymede said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
    They probably thought they had found one, writing for the Guardian.
    An article rubbishing the Muslim attitudes poll is being slaughtered as we speak.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Ouch comments as you say

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/what-do-muslims-think-skewed-poll-wont-tell-us#comments

    taffys said:

    I'd assumed a Removed comment involved a four letter word or something more colourful.

    Of course, mentioning where any Guardian columnist went to school is instantly censored.

    It's hilarious - all very free speech until we're the subject of criticism.

    runnymede said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    The dark side of Guardian comments

    As part of a series into the rising global phenomenon of online harassment, the Guardian commissioned research into the 70m comments left on its site since 2006 and discovered that of the 10 most abused writers eight are women, and the two men are black.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    I found that article a little odd. Typically for The Guardian it all has to be about "identity politics", I bet they didn't consider for one moment if the real correlation with abusive comments was the extent to which the correspondent wrote fatuous drivel ;)
    Writing fatuous drivel is no justification for abuse. Rebuttal and argument yes, abuse no.

    A lot depends on what is meant by abuse though. Do root vegetables count for example?
    From the example Plato quoted it seems absurdly thin skinned, that example was questioning the independence and credibility of the paper and the author, which I would think was almost par for the course. Anyone viewing comments which are variations on "do you actually know what you are talking about?" as abuse, clearly is in dire need of a safe space.
    They probably thought they had found one, writing for the Guardian.
    An article rubbishing the Muslim attitudes poll is being slaughtered as we speak.
    SAFE SPACE, SAFE SPACE, SAFE SPACE.....
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Thanks to Charles and rcs1000 for the insight! Looks like the Dutch might have a bigger problem than us anyway.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
    But the "taxpayer" wouldn't have the money in the first place if there hadn't been healthcare to keep them healthy, education to train them, roads and railways to let them go about their business, etc. They owe money back to "the State" because it was "the State" that gave them the chance to make money in the first place.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
    A relative told me that he was annoyed that as a middle earner he was hit, whilst the 1% didn't pay their way.

    "Do you pay all your taxes?", I asked. He confirmed he did.

    "And how much do you earn?". £150k came the reply.

    So I told him, evidently at least one member of the 1% does pay the required tax.

    I read an (absolutely serious) article bemoaning how the gap had grown between the 1% and the 0.1%.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Danny565 said:

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
    But the "taxpayer" wouldn't have the money in the first place if there hadn't been healthcare to keep them healthy, education to train them, roads and railways to let them go about their business, etc. They owe money back to "the State" because it was "the State" that gave them the chance to make money in the first place.
    "the State"? No - other taxpayers.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,344
    edited April 2016
    taffys said:



    An article rubbishing the Muslim attitudes poll is being slaughtered as we speak.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/what-do-muslims-think-skewed-poll-wont-tell-us

    EDIT: oops, Plato beat me to it :)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
    A relative told me that he was annoyed that as a middle earner he was hit, whilst the 1% didn't pay their way.

    "Do you pay all your taxes?", I asked. He confirmed he did.

    "And how much do you earn?". £150k came the reply.

    So I told him, evidently at least one member of the 1% does pay the required tax.

    I read an (absolutely serious) article bemoaning how the gap had grown between the 1% and the 0.1%.
    I think there is a case that old-wealth and new wealth are not the same and the gap between the very rich and merely rich is definitely growing as asset prices rise, but I'm not sure what utility there is in complaining about it.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    I've just read Roger's latest thread header.

    As I might not be around when it is published, can I state for the record.

    1) I'm absolutely fuming at the opening two sentences.

    2) Roger really should become a regular thread header writer. He's bringing some brilliant insight and analysis to PB.

    1. Quite. They should really be one sentence divided by a colon.

    2. Agreed.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rcs1000 said:

    taffys said:

    Ryan Bourne made an interesting point in City am today.

    He thinks that the obsession with the wealth of the super rich is down to the fact that the group that has fared worst in the past decade is not the poor but those earning 50/150 grand - ie the professional white collar class that is driving this debate.

    This group say they want a more equitable distribution for the poor, but in fact they want to be richer relative to the super rich themselves.

    Anecdote alert: along those lines, I've recently heard complaints from professionals that tax is only paid by the middle class because the rich evade it and the poor, by definition, don't have any money in the first place.
    There is no such thing as public money; there is only taxpayers’ money.
    - M. H. Thatcher, speech to Conservative Party Conference, October 14, 1983
    A relative told me that he was annoyed that as a middle earner he was hit, whilst the 1% didn't pay their way.

    "Do you pay all your taxes?", I asked. He confirmed he did.

    "And how much do you earn?". £150k came the reply.

    So I told him, evidently at least one member of the 1% does pay the required tax.

    I read an (absolutely serious) article bemoaning how the gap had grown between the 1% and the 0.1%.

    That's not entirely stupid. For a successful economy you need a curve where people feel they can improve themselves to achieve the next stage. Like pay increments in a career path, but on a wider scale.

    If a gap appears at any level, then that can cause problems for society as a whole, even though you may wonder what on earth the "rich" person is complaining about.

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