... I also thought the £3,000 income from savings was enlightening. With most savings accounts paying almost nothing in interest, to garner that kind of income must mean there's a pretty big starting number.
Not really, Mr. Stodge, I think it is still possible to get 5%, if one is prepared to lock up one's money for a long time. That would mean a capital sum of, what, £60k? If is he is only getting 2% then the capital would be £150k, not excessive for a man from his background, and it certainly doesn't make him what I would call rich.
Agreed. With his PM's salary and the rental income and limitations currently on what they can spend on [ they cannot go on a cruise ], he [ and with Samantha's income ] could be saving a hell of a lot of money.
Rent on their house is north of £400K for the period he has had free luxury board and lodging at public expense. Given he gets everything paid for he will not have had to dip his hand in to his pocket. His previous gifts etc and the wedge his wife will have means he could easily have millions on deposit in one guise or another. His wife will get her first £10K of interest tax free and I bet she will be paying tax on more than that. How will the poor dears survive till he coins in more multi-millions from his memoirs.
How many houses in London has rent above £33000 pm ? Even in Belgravia, Knightsbridge etc.
Now living in a 2 room apartment. Poor sods. No wonder Samantha wants out of this miserable existence.
Cannot count then , 6 years at just under £100K per annum, I was being generous at just £400K. Does that make it easier for you , you can use your fingers as well.
I remember when we used to get proper financially motivated scandals in this country like taking dodgy money to ask questions in parliament or for a gong or for a passport.
Now its rich bloke invests £14k in a Unit Trust and pays all the taxes due and gets money left to him legally by his rich parents.
Mr. Urquhart, 'man pays taxes' is the most stupid financial story since 'man on yacht does not ask other man on yacht for any money'.
while other man on the yacht, with dodgy past when it comes to financial affairs and controls metal import tariffs, doesn't get asked why he happened to be holidaying with worlds biggest producer of aluminium....
Andrew Neil made the point at the start of SP that the REMAIN campaign has been built on the premise that its front man David Cameron as PM is going to be the most trusted person and will carry the REMAIN campaign through. With REMAIN being built on Project Fear it is essential to it that the people espousing those fears are judged highly credible by the voters.
Now that Dave’s image has slumped so badly and in the short term he will be avoiding hacks, the REMAIN campaign have a major problem. He cannot send Osborne out either.
How dare David Cameron try to “buy” the referendum result he wants by spending £9million of taxpayers’ cash on leaflets that peddle his twisted version of the facts.
Last year, when he begged the British people for another term as PM, one of his promises was that WE would get to decide whether to Stay or Leave the EU .
What he didn’t say was he was going to use every dirty trick in the book – and our money – to sway the vote.
And when you read the leaflet – a very expensive work of fiction – you’ll see it’s nothing to do with the facts.
How dare David Cameron try to “buy” the referendum result he wants by spending £9million of taxpayers’ cash on leaflets that peddle his twisted version of the facts.
Last year, when he begged the British people for another term as PM, one of his promises was that WE would get to decide whether to Stay or Leave the EU .
What he didn’t say was he was going to use every dirty trick in the book – and our money – to sway the vote.
And when you read the leaflet – a very expensive work of fiction – you’ll see it’s nothing to do with the facts.
To me this is far more of a scandal....this just isn't cricket....and they are using my money to do so (it isn't even some dodgy rich blokes money).
'Are you stupid , who cares. We are talking about another cheating rat at present , just because previous cheating rats of politicians have done it does not exonerate Cameron.'
Alex Salmond's 'hypocrisy' of using firm to save tax - Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › SNP 6 Feb 2016 - Alex Salmond MP unveils a painting of himself at The National Gallery of ... of more than £120,000 through a new “personal service company
Another Tory dullard who keeps avoiding the big cheat in the room. We are talking about Cameron you turnip, what Salmond does or doesn't do has no bearing on Cameron being a cheating lying toad. You thick utterly stupid cretinous Tories seem to think that just because other rich people cheat and steal that it is justified and right.
Cameron is not a cheating rat. He just uses the system that is loaded up for the wealthy.
I am reminded of the MP expenses scam- when most MP's were scrabbling around trying to claim some cash back on TV's and porn, duck ponds and whatnot to make up the short fall in their salaries, Cameron could simply nominate his constituency home as his main home, and claim the whole 50k annually against his huge mortgage, which I guess he still does. Therefore he never needed to sully himself with the grubbiness of putting in invoices- he just got his secretary to present his mortgage statement- and so stayed well above the fray.
What I don't get about Cameron is how he can so clearly say that the 200k gifted by his mum the year after his dad died was not about paying inheritance tax. I mean that is just such a big, huge porky pie that takes us all for morons.
He needn't say anything more about this gift. Rich people use tax efficiencies, especially when inheritance is concerned. That is why people gift to the children when they are alive- they hope to live more than the 7 years so their children don't pay the death tax.
My major problem with all this, is that the biggest asset to the YES, remain campaign is unravelling before our eyes, digging himself into a quagmire all of his own making.
Cameron is morphing back into that shifty, unlikeable, snake oil salesman that he was once caricatured as...the huskies, the chauffeur with his shoes, the hug a hoody- it's all coming back. And you know why it is coming back? Because as Frank Booth said here, Cameron is a cynical shit who doesn't believe in anything, or words to that effect. Cameron cannot escape what he actually is.
And because of Cameron's ultimate cynicism- the EU vote that he didn't want, only given as a platitude to UKIP wavering voters, and never intended to enact because he never believed he would win a majority, Cameron's ultimate cynicism is going to lead the UK to leave the EU with disastrous consequences for Britain and for the EU. Well done DC you tosser.
Morning all,
FWIW, my view now is that we will narrowly vote to Leave and then, in the ensuing economic meltdown, we will be asked to vote again after another attempt at renegotiation.
Also, we were out with a group of Italians last night, and they couldn't hide their smugness about the UK being run like a corrupt banana republic- that is how it is being presented in Italian news. It is a huge story here.
Times are certainly strange when even the Italians are acting all superior.
This whole tax debate now is getting thoroughly nasty and spiteful. The rest of the world must be laughing their socks off at the state this country still gets itself into when it comes to rich people, wealth in general. This is going to backfire on a lot of those "class warriors."
Iceland just ditched their Prime Minister and Japanese telly was just doing shocked faces over the extent of British use of tax havens (admittedly less shocked than over the 20% VAT rate) so I don't think your guess about the rest of the world's response is right.
'Are you stupid , who cares. We are talking about another cheating rat at present , just because previous cheating rats of politicians have done it does not exonerate Cameron.'
Alex Salmond's 'hypocrisy' of using firm to save tax - Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › SNP 6 Feb 2016 - Alex Salmond MP unveils a painting of himself at The National Gallery of ... of more than £120,000 through a new “personal service company
You thick utterly stupid cretinous Tories seem to think that just because other rich people cheat and steal that it is justified and right.
Inappropriate language and tone for this website. But it speaks volumes about your qualities Malcolm.
So today's scandalous headline boils down to bloke we knew is from a rich family, is rich...well blow me down.
I think rather more embarrassing for Dave is compared to his mates Alex James, Jezza Clarkson etc he ain't actually that well off.
What's embarrassing is the way this story was handled - especially that first disclosure about '£30,000 from shares' and 'a property that we rent', that made Dave's finances out to be the equivalent of a provincial estate agent.
Now every subsequent 'revelation' about Dave's stash is going to add to this meme that he has the contents of King Solomon's mines squirreled away. And I believe there will be more to come, otherwise he wouldn't have given this 'summary' thing out, rather a full return.
I would think it is very unlikely - these figures have been certified by the Accountant and the declaration of the 2 x £100,000 gifts from his Mother were not actually required to be declared, certainly not on his tax return
We'll see, but I think the reason for your prediction is your loyalty to No. 10. I can't see any logic in the assumption that this information is going to kill this story.
No not loyalty to no 10 but simply David Cameron has paid all if not more taxes that are due. The story is moving towards more disclosure which is good for democracy but witnessing the sheer terror on the faces of presenters and political journalist that they may be drawn into full tax disclosures is wonderful
How dare David Cameron try to “buy” the referendum result he wants by spending £9million of taxpayers’ cash on leaflets that peddle his twisted version of the facts. Last year, when he begged the British people for another term as PM, one of his promises was that WE would get to decide whether to Stay or Leave the EU . What he didn’t say was he was going to use every dirty trick in the book – and our money – to sway the vote. And when you read the leaflet – a very expensive work of fiction – you’ll see it’s nothing to do with the facts.
Who would expect Labour voters to vote 2 to 1 for REMAIN..... The Mrs Duffy types will not!
Rabb and Mordaunt were excellent. Both would make future high office. I think Penny is PM material. And the sort of good sport with a common touch.
Apart from having no answer to Neil's obvious question "Which of our allies think Brexit is a good idea?"
My impression was that she didn't want to answer this question because it would be unwise to mention another country. This would have caused her all sort of problems. I believe there are other countries who would like to leave and are waiting to see what happens in our referendum.
Cameron is not a cheating rat. He just uses the system that is loaded up for the wealthy.
I am reminded of the MP expenses scam- when most MP's were scrabbling around trying to claim some cash back on TV's and porn, duck ponds and whatnot to make up the short fall in their salaries, Cameron could simply nominate his constituency home as his main home, and claim the whole 50k annually against his huge mortgage, which I guess he still does. Therefore he never needed to sully himself with the grubbiness of putting in invoices- he just got his secretary to present his mortgage statement- and so stayed well above the fray.
What I don't get about Cameron is how he can so clearly say that the 200k gifted by his mum the year after his dad died was not about paying inheritance tax. I mean that is just such a big, huge porky pie that takes us all for morons.
He needn't say anything more about this gift. Rich people use tax efficiencies, especially when inheritance is concerned. That is why people gift to the children when they are alive- they hope to live more than the 7 years so their children don't pay the death tax.
My major problem with all this, is that the biggest asset to the YES, remain campaign is unravelling before our eyes, digging himself into a quagmire all of his own making.
Cameron is morphing back into that shifty, unlikeable, snake oil salesman that he was once caricatured as...the huskies, the chauffeur with his shoes, the hug a hoody- it's all coming back. And you know why it is coming back? Because as Frank Booth said here, Cameron is a cynical shit who doesn't believe in anything, or words to that effect. Cameron cannot escape what he actually is.
And because of Cameron's ultimate cynicism- the EU vote that he didn't want, only given as a platitude to UKIP wavering voters, and never intended to enact because he never believed he would win a majority, Cameron's ultimate cynicism is going to lead the UK to leave the EU with disastrous consequences for Britain and for the EU. Well done DC you tosser.
Morning all,
FWIW, my view now is that we will narrowly vote to Leave and then, in the ensuing economic meltdown, we will be asked to vote again after another attempt at renegotiation.
How do you know there will be an economic meltdown? General lack of confidence, sure, but the function of the market is surely such that if the market is under-pricing something, people see a bargain and buy it, restoring some sort of equilibrium.
I said several times that I believed Cameron was Remain's strongest asset, and that was a huge fence to jump for Leave.
There are so remarkably few positive cases being made here for Remain or on social media - I'm genuinely wondering what is convincing them.
Hey ho, I'd feel sorry for my Party leader if he hadn't invited 90% on himself. How he picks up the pieces post 24 June... Sunday Times is reporting he's trying to rebuild burnt bridges. Well he set fire to them.
Andrew Neil made the point at the start of SP that the REMAIN campaign has been built on the premise that its front man David Cameron as PM is going to be the most trusted person and will carry the REMAIN campaign through. With REMAIN being built on Project Fear it is essential to it that the people espousing those fears are judged highly credible by the voters.
Now that Dave’s image has slumped so badly and in the short term he will be avoiding hacks, the REMAIN campaign have a major problem. He cannot send Osborne out either.
Just got back from 2 hours' leafleting for Vote Leave in the glorious spring sunshine. I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the country, but in my area Vote Leave and GO are already cooperating fully to cover as much ground as possible. The GOers I was with thought Vote Leave will get the designation, and it didn't seem to bother them one bit.
Rabb and Mordaunt were excellent. Both would make future high office. I think Penny is PM material. And the sort of good sport with a common touch.
Apart from having no answer to Neil's obvious question "Which of our allies think Brexit is a good idea?"
The Govt dragging allies into this using up favours is just bad diplomacy. Of course allies will say "stay" when the current Govt asks it as they rightly judge that since the alternative party, Labour, also want them to say the same.
How dare David Cameron try to “buy” the referendum result he wants by spending £9million of taxpayers’ cash on leaflets that peddle his twisted version of the facts.
Last year, when he begged the British people for another term as PM, one of his promises was that WE would get to decide whether to Stay or Leave the EU .
What he didn’t say was he was going to use every dirty trick in the book – and our money – to sway the vote.
And when you read the leaflet – a very expensive work of fiction – you’ll see it’s nothing to do with the facts.
To me this is far more of a scandal....this just isn't cricket....and they are using my money to do so (it isn't even some dodgy rich blokes money).
How dare David Cameron try to “buy” the referendum result he wants by spending £9million of taxpayers’ cash on leaflets that peddle his twisted version of the facts. Last year, when he begged the British people for another term as PM, one of his promises was that WE would get to decide whether to Stay or Leave the EU . What he didn’t say was he was going to use every dirty trick in the book – and our money – to sway the vote. And when you read the leaflet – a very expensive work of fiction – you’ll see it’s nothing to do with the facts.
Who would expect Labour voters to vote 2 to 1 for REMAIN..... The Mrs Duffy types will not!
It's a voodoo poll, of course, but that Mirror story has a "vote now" link with 69% in favour of 'out'
I said several times that I believed Cameron was Remain's strongest asset, and that was a huge fence to jump for Leave. There are so remarkably few positive cases being made here for Remain or on social media - I'm genuinely wondering what is convincing them. Hey ho, I'd feel sorry for my Party leader if he hadn't invited 90% on himself. How he picks up the pieces post 24 June... Sunday Times is reporting he's trying to rebuild burnt bridges. Well he set fire to them.
Andrew Neil made the point at the start of SP that the REMAIN campaign has been built on the premise that its front man David Cameron as PM is going to be the most trusted person and will carry the REMAIN campaign through. With REMAIN being built on Project Fear it is essential to it that the people espousing those fears are judged highly credible by the voters.
Now that Dave’s image has slumped so badly and in the short term he will be avoiding hacks, the REMAIN campaign have a major problem. He cannot send Osborne out either.
The best way for Cameron to rebuild is just to STFU on the referendum for many weeks. Osborne will also decline to step forward which leaves the rest of the REMAIN cabinet many of whom have seen their own ratings dive with each second they speak for REMAIN. It is a toxic matter to speak in favour of within the party. Nicky Morgan's ratings after recent stints have (thankfully) killed off her Leadership ambitions.
Cameron is not a cheating rat. He just uses the system that is loaded up for the wealthy.
I am reminded of the MP expenses scam- when most MP's were scrabbling around trying to claim some cash back on TV's and porn, duck ponds and whatnot to make up the short fall in their salaries, Cameron could simply nominate his constituency home as his main home, and claim the whole 50k annually against his huge mortgage, which I guess he still does. Therefore he never needed to sully himself with the grubbiness of putting in invoices- he just got his secretary to present his mortgage statement- and so stayed well above the fray.
What I don't get about Cameron is how he can so clearly say that the 200k gifted by his mum the year after his dad died was not about paying inheritance tax. I mean that is just such a big, huge porky pie that takes us all for morons.
He needn't say anything more about this gift. Rich people use tax efficiencies, especially when inheritance is concerned. That is why people gift to the children when they are alive- they hope to live more than the 7 years so their children don't pay the death tax.
My major problem with all this, is that the biggest asset to the YES, remain campaign is unravelling before our eyes, digging himself into a quagmire all of his own making.
Cameron is morphing back into that shifty, unlikeable, snake oil salesman that he was once caricatured as...the huskies, the chauffeur with his shoes, the hug a hoody- it's all coming back. And you know why it is coming back? Because as Frank Booth said here, Cameron is a cynical shit who doesn't believe in anything, or words to that effect. Cameron cannot escape what he actually is.
And because of Cameron's ultimate cynicism- the EU vote that he didn't want, only given as a platitude to UKIP wavering voters, and never intended to enact because he never believed he would win a majority, Cameron's ultimate cynicism is going to lead the UK to leave the EU with disastrous consequences for Britain and for the EU. Well done DC you tosser.
Morning all,
FWIW, my view now is that we will narrowly vote to Leave and then, in the ensuing economic meltdown, we will be asked to vote again after another attempt at renegotiation.
How do you know there will be an economic meltdown? General lack of confidence, sure, but the function of the market is surely such that if the market is under-pricing something, people see a bargain and buy it, restoring some sort of equilibrium.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the stock market fall 5% on the result, and then regain about half of that over the next week.
Of course that's nothing more than normal volatility, but will be presented as "BILLIONS wiped off share prices" and then no one will report on the increase
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
Just got back from 2 hours' leafleting for Vote Leave in the glorious spring sunshine. I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the country, but in my area Vote Leave and GO are already cooperating fully to cover as much ground as possible. The GOers I was with thought Vote Leave will get the designation, and it didn't seem to bother them one bit.
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
And that is the significance of this voluntary statement and I cannot believe he has withheld anything else as the consequence would be that his political career would be over. I have thought that he could mend bridges if he decided to withdraw the HMG brochure but not sure how likely that is
Charles "It's a voodoo poll, of course, but that Mirror story has a "vote now" link with 69% in favour of 'out"
If there was any real majority amongst Labour voters for LEAVE it would spell doom for REMAIN. What a REMAIN campaign? Split opposition teams, Government controlling the calendar, agenda and resources and 7 weeks gone of regular Govt speeches and media events. All of that and we are here today with 50/50 polling and IMHO LEAVE are ahead based on likely turnout.
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
And that is the significance of this voluntary statement and I cannot believe he has withheld anything else as the consequence would be that his political career would be over. I have thought that he could mend bridges if he decided to withdraw the HMG brochure but not sure how likely that is
I believe that the Royal Mail have said it can't be stopped now - already in the system.
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
And that is the significance of this voluntary statement and I cannot believe he has withheld anything else as the consequence would be that his political career would be over. I have thought that he could mend bridges if he decided to withdraw the HMG brochure but not sure how likely that is
I believe that the Royal Mail have said it can't be stopped now - already in the system.
But Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are not due to receive it until after 5th May
Even the UKIP manifesto cannot be as daft as that. They have to choose between lying in the bath playing guitar naked or doing the same dressed as a clown. Typical Leavers wanting it both ways!
Tyson is trolling. Yesterday he loved David Cameron, today he believes he's a tosser. My view is that Dave wants Leave to win, but can't say so. He's decided to take one for the team to get the result he's secretly hoping for.
Tyson is trolling. Yesterday he loved David Cameron, today he believes he's a tosser. My view is that Dave wants Leave to win, but can't say so. He's decided to take one for the team to get the result he's secretly hoping for.
It will be interesting to see how he plays this out over the coming weeks - a more conciliatory tone and less hands on would be advisable
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
Failure to die is now a "tax dodge"?
I would have thought dying would be the ultimate tax dodge.
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
Failure to die is now a "tax dodge"?
I would have thought dying would be the ultimate tax dodge.
Douglas Adams - Hotblack Desiato - a rich rockstar who was officially dead for a year to avoid tax.
It was remarked on here that the gift of £200,000 from Cameron's mother would not have been part of a tax return and did not need to be admitted publicly. But just think if his Mum lives two more years (at least ,hopefully) and Cam took the relief from IHT the noise from the press if it ever got out.
Failure to die is now a "tax dodge"?
I would have thought dying would be the ultimate tax dodge.
Douglas Adams - Hotblack Desiato - a rich rockstar who was officially dead for a year to avoid tax.
"200k gifts from Mummy and 300k inheritance from Daddy" will become the norm for inheritances from anyone who owns their own London home at their death, in many cases you can double those figures albeit with IHT deductions.
£2m is a fairly average price for a 4 bed terrace/semi in some parts of London.
In the end, it's still a 4 bed terrace - just the same as one that costs a tenth of the price in another part of the UK.
The stamp duty on a £2m house is £150k plus. Some tax dodge.
For once I agree with Nick Palmer.. Corbyn is getting better at getting his point across .. and in the meantime (with comments such as the Venezuela one) proving without doubt how bonkers he really IS !
Just got back from 2 hours' leafleting for Vote Leave in the glorious spring sunshine. I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the country, but in my area Vote Leave and GO are already cooperating fully to cover as much ground as possible. The GOers I was with thought Vote Leave will get the designation, and it didn't seem to bother them one bit.
Vote Leave and Grassroots Out intend to deliver leaflets to both my constituency and a neighbouring constituency. Hopefully this can be replicated across the country.
Rabb and Mordaunt were excellent. Both would make future high office. I think Penny is PM material. And the sort of good sport with a common touch.
Apart from having no answer to Neil's obvious question "Which of our allies think Brexit is a good idea?"
My impression was that she didn't want to answer this question because it would be unwise to mention another country. This would have caused her all sort of problems. I believe there are other countries who would like to leave and are waiting to see what happens in our referendum.
When you say "there are other countries", do you mean that you believe there are governments in power in the EU, which secretly wish to leave the EU?
As a matter of interest, which governments do you have in mind?
It can't be any of the big European countries: France, Germany, Italy, Spain, or the Netherlands. (The next government in Italy might be different, but right now Renzi is much more pro-EU than his population.) Venstre in Denmark is pretty pro-European. The Finns are pretty Eurosceptic, but the Finnish PM - from the Centre Party - is resolutely pro-EU.
The Eurosceptic government I can think of is in Poland: but I can't see them going for it. Why? Because Poland's great economic success has been on the back of being a low cost centre of manufacturing for German companies. Poland is also the biggest net recipient of EU funds.
Further, while I'm a little sceptical of the impartiality of the "Eurobarometer" surveys from the EU, they have the Polish people as one of the most pro-EU in the whole bloc. The "right direction, wrong direction for the EU is 2:1 in favour; we (at the other end of the scale) are 2:1 against.
Does Cameron realise the effect of this publicity on the rest of the middle class? My daughter has been on the phone wanting a down payment on her inheritance. She's already had 90k to help to buy something with one bedroom that you could fit into the garage down here in Cornwall.
Shrewd move by Jez here. He and his acolytes aren't much interested in money; they just sit on bare floors surrounded by Che Guevara posters. However, I can imagine a few of the Blairites have been imaginative with their financial arrangements. Labour's moderating wing will be further crushed by this move.
This is going to cause a stir... ICM for Channel 4 documentary, 52% of Muslims surveyed thought homosexuality should be illegal. Well worth reading whole article with Trevor Philips. He's downbeat.
The only surprise here is that it is as low as 52%.
Maybe the survey only reached the ones who could speak English?
Certainly from my experience the strongest support of homosexuality from Muslims is that it is "not illegal". There is usually no support from a human rights perspective.
I think you may find that TSE differs on that.
I know plenty of assimilated Muslims quite comfortable with homosexual equality.
Then we know different people, and I am sure a minority of Muslims are OK with it. Most of the homosexual Muslims I know have been disowned by their families. That is not the case with non-Muslim families, including other Asian faiths.
And I don't care what TSE thinks.
Out of interest how many homosexual muslims do you know?
'Are you stupid , who cares. We are talking about another cheating rat at present , just because previous cheating rats of politicians have done it does not exonerate Cameron.'
Alex Salmond's 'hypocrisy' of using firm to save tax - Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › SNP 6 Feb 2016 - Alex Salmond MP unveils a painting of himself at The National Gallery of ... of more than £120,000 through a new “personal service company
You thick utterly stupid cretinous Tories seem to think that just because other rich people cheat and steal that it is justified and right.
Inappropriate language and tone for this website. But it speaks volumes about your qualities Malcolm.
Rabb and Mordaunt were excellent. Both would make future high office. I think Penny is PM material. And the sort of good sport with a common touch.
Apart from having no answer to Neil's obvious question "Which of our allies think Brexit is a good idea?"
My impression was that she didn't want to answer this question because it would be unwise to mention another country. This would have caused her all sort of problems. I believe there are other countries who would like to leave and are waiting to see what happens in our referendum.
(snip)
Further, while I'm a little sceptical of the impartiality of the "Eurobarometer" surveys from the EU, they have the Polish people as one of the most pro-EU in the whole bloc. The "right direction, wrong direction for the EU is 2:1 in favour; we (at the other end of the scale) are 2:1 against.
Surely this is Leave's biggest and best point that they need to hammer relentlessly. It is not that the EU is irritating, petty, stupid and just plain annoying now; it is that it is heading in a direction we do not want to go in. By a substantial majority.
Emergency closure of Edinburgh PFI schools leaves 9,000 pupils with nowhere to go - over to you Nicola !!
labour fiasco both at government and local government level. As usual the halfwits try to make out it is an SNP issue. As ever the SNP will need to wipe labour's bottoms and bail them out, incompetent scoundrels could not run a bath.
... I also thought the £3,000 income from savings was enlightening. With most savings accounts paying almost nothing in interest, to garner that kind of income must mean there's a pretty big starting number.
Not really, Mr. Stodge, I think it is still possible to get 5%, if one is prepared to lock up one's money for a long time. That would mean a capital sum of, what, £60k? If is he is only getting 2% then the capital would be £150k, not excessive for a man from his background, and it certainly doesn't make him what I would call rich.
Agreed. With his PM's salary and the rental income and limitations currently on what they can spend on [ they cannot go on a cruise ], he [ and with Samantha's income ] could be saving a hell of a lot of money.
Rent on their house is north of £400K for the period he has had free luxury board and lodging at public expense. Given he gets everything paid for he will not have had to dip his hand in to his pocket. His previous gifts etc and the wedge his wife will have means he could easily have millions on deposit in one guise or another. His wife will get her first £10K of interest tax free and I bet she will be paying tax on more than that. How will the poor dears survive till he coins in more multi-millions from his memoirs.
How many houses in London has rent above £33000 pm ? Even in Belgravia, Knightsbridge etc.
Now living in a 2 room apartment. Poor sods. No wonder Samantha wants out of this miserable existence.
Until World War 2 the PM lived in the state rooms of NO 10 with the top floor used to house the servants etc. I imagine there is nothing to prevent a PM from reverting to the earlier practice should he so wish! So Cameron could opt to live in the rooms occupied by Chamberlain/Baldwin/Macdonald/Lloyd George/Asquith et al.
Does Cameron realise the effect of this publicity on the rest of the middle class? My daughter has been on the phone wanting a down payment on her inheritance. She's already had 90k to help to buy something with one bedroom that you could fit into the garage down here in Cornwall.
Harsh. Greedy kids
To go all Four Yorkshireman, my inheritance from one parent was squandered by the other (long divorced) dipping into it to cover their credit card debt while I was a minor, so I've got nothing coming anyway. Save save save, I guess.
Does Cameron realise the effect of this publicity on the rest of the middle class? My daughter has been on the phone wanting a down payment on her inheritance. She's already had 90k to help to buy something with one bedroom that you could fit into the garage down here in Cornwall.
Tell her you're good going to start SKIing - Spending the Kid's Inheritance.....
"200k gifts from Mummy and 300k inheritance from Daddy" will become the norm for inheritances from anyone who owns their own London home at their death, in many cases you can double those figures albeit with IHT deductions.
£2m is a fairly average price for a 4 bed terrace/semi in some parts of London.
In the end, it's still a 4 bed terrace - just the same as one that costs a tenth of the price in another part of the UK.
The stamp duty on a £2m house is £150k plus. Some tax dodge.
More than most ordinary people will have in their lifetimes, however meagre it seems to you.
So it's Sunday at last, I waited 3 days, so what is that amusing scandal then that was advertised to be unveiled on Sunday ?
It is published, it is very interesting reading, but we aren't allowed to mention it (and no it is not some crazy 88-89 whatever it is Lizard Illuminati conspiracy). I posted an interesting but not scandalous sideline from it and it got pulled.
So it's Sunday at last, I waited 3 days, so what is that amusing scandal then that was advertised to be unveiled on Sunday ?
It is published, it is very interesting reading, but we aren't allowed to mention it (and no it is not some crazy 89-90 whatever it is Lizard Illuminati conspiracy). I posted an interesting but not scandalous sideline from it and it got pulled.
which newspaper should I look at?
I'm assuming that it's neither superinjunction or ++Justin?
“We understand that all of the affected buildings in Edinburgh were completed over 10 years ago."
Labour's watch to be fair to the SNP.
Or failure of maintenance under the SNP - like the Forth Road Bridge?
This is supposed to be a PFI contract so the cost of and responsibility for maintenance should be on the contractor.
It is slightly alarming that contractor seems incapable of building a wall that is strong enough to avoid being blown over or stick wall panels to the side of a building. I wondered if they had used plasticene instead of cement.
I would be looking at who signed off this work as fit for purpose. And they should be looking out their insurance policies.
Rabb and Mordaunt were excellent. Both would make future high office. I think Penny is PM material. And the sort of good sport with a common touch.
Apart from having no answer to Neil's obvious question "Which of our allies think Brexit is a good idea?"
My impression was that she didn't want to answer this question because it would be unwise to mention another country. This would have caused her all sort of problems. I believe there are other countries who would like to leave and are waiting to see what happens in our referendum.
When you say "there are other countries", do you mean that you believe there are governments in power in the EU, which secretly wish to leave the EU?
As a matter of interest, which governments do you have in mind?
It can't be any of the big European countries: France, Germany, Italy, Spain, or the Netherlands. (The next government in Italy might be different, but right now Renzi is much more pro-EU than his population.) Venstre in Denmark is pretty pro-European. The Finns are pretty Eurosceptic, but the Finnish PM - from the Centre Party - is resolutely pro-EU.
The Eurosceptic government I can think of is in Poland: but I can't see them going for it. Why? Because Poland's great economic success has been on the back of being a low cost centre of manufacturing for German companies. Poland is also the biggest net recipient of EU funds.
Further, while I'm a little sceptical of the impartiality of the "Eurobarometer" surveys from the EU, they have the Polish people as one of the most pro-EU in the whole bloc. The "right direction, wrong direction for the EU is 2:1 in favour; we (at the other end of the scale) are 2:1 against.
Mr. Robert,
Governments, probably not but I think there are several countries within the EU whose populations have very significant minorities, if not majorities, that would vote to leave if only they were given a chance.
Were the UK to vote out I should be very surprised if in several other countries the pressure for a similar chance to vote does not become irresistible.
@theSNP: .@NicolaSturgeon confirms she will publish her tax returns today. #ScotlandsTalkIn
Poor Scott , shown up yet again. What can you whine about next, imaginary Chinese deals again , imaginary Souter's at meetings.
I'm disappointed in Nicola. She's so popular and the SNP in such a strong position she could have said stuff it to the demands and maybe we wouldn't go down this route in future.
So it's Sunday at last, I waited 3 days, so what is that amusing scandal then that was advertised to be unveiled on Sunday ?
It is published, it is very interesting reading, but we aren't allowed to mention it (and no it is not some crazy 89-90 whatever it is Lizard Illuminati conspiracy). I posted an interesting but not scandalous sideline from it and it got pulled.
which newspaper should I look at?
I'm assuming that it's neither superinjunction or ++Justin?
As I said, its not in a newspaper. It concerns a number of newspapers written by an established journo.
There was some Regent's park pile I saw in the standard being sold for £32 million asking when it was bought for £37 million a few years back, so it looks like top end London is off the boil right now.
Jack with Haggis and tatties they are just perfect.
SNP rocked to the core as @malcolmg shocks world in turnips only perfect in combination with haggis and tatties revelation !! .. Scottish Conservative surge expected on the news ..
@theSNP: .@NicolaSturgeon confirms she will publish her tax returns today. #ScotlandsTalkIn
Poor Scott , shown up yet again. What can you whine about next, imaginary Chinese deals again , imaginary Souter's at meetings.
Good for Nicola! We certainly need more transparency in public life. Okay, she's playing a bit of catchup here - riding Dave's coattails so to speak - but no one can criticize her for following Dave's noble precedent.
So it's Sunday at last, I waited 3 days, so what is that amusing scandal then that was advertised to be unveiled on Sunday ?
It is published, it is very interesting reading, but we aren't allowed to mention it (and no it is not some crazy 89-90 whatever it is Lizard Illuminati conspiracy). I posted an interesting but not scandalous sideline from it and it got pulled.
which newspaper should I look at?
I'm assuming that it's neither superinjunction or ++Justin?
As I said, its not in a newspaper. It concerns a number of newspapers written by an established journo.
Apart from having no answer to Neil's obvious question "Which of our allies think Brexit is a good idea?"
My impression was that she didn't want to answer this question because it would be unwise to mention another country. This would have caused her all sort of problems. I believe there are other countries who would like to leave and are waiting to see what happens in our referendum.
When you say "there are other countries", do you mean that you believe there are governments in power in the EU, which secretly wish to leave the EU?
As a matter of interest, which governments do you have in mind?
It can't be any of the big European countries: France, Germany, Italy, Spain, or the Netherlands. (The next government in Italy might be different, but right now Renzi is much more pro-EU than his population.) Venstre in Denmark is pretty pro-European. The Finns are pretty Eurosceptic, but the Finnish PM - from the Centre Party - is resolutely pro-EU.
The Eurosceptic government I can think of is in Poland: but I can't see them going for it. Why? Because Poland's great economic success has been on the back of being a low cost centre of manufacturing for German companies. Poland is also the biggest net recipient of EU funds.
Further, while I'm a little sceptical of the impartiality of the "Eurobarometer" surveys from the EU, they have the Polish people as one of the most pro-EU in the whole bloc. The "right direction, wrong direction for the EU is 2:1 in favour; we (at the other end of the scale) are 2:1 against.
Mr. Robert,
Governments, probably not but I think there are several countries within the EU whose populations have very significant minorities, if not majorities, that would vote to leave if only they were given a chance.
Were the UK to vote out I should be very surprised if in several other countries the pressure for a similar chance to vote does not become irresistible.
It's an interesting question, isn't it?
According to the Eurobarometer survey, the three countries with the highest shares for "my country would be better off outside the EU" are France, Slovenia and the UK. (We top the list with just 43% of people disagreeing. Albeit there's a 16% or so of "don't knows".)
I suspect there are two things that would prevent mass departures: 1. I think there would be a desire to see how the UK fared outside the EU, before committing. If we were a beacon of success, that would clearly make a big difference. 2. It's a lot harder for a Eurozone country to leave the EU than us. Intriguingly, support for the Euro seems to be higher than support for the EU in most countries.)
“We understand that all of the affected buildings in Edinburgh were completed over 10 years ago."
Labour's watch to be fair to the SNP.
Or failure of maintenance under the SNP - like the Forth Road Bridge?
I would be looking at who signed off this work as fit for purpose. And they should be looking out their insurance policies.
Does building inspection responsibility rest with the local authority- or will it all be Westminster's fault?
The responsibility depends on the terms of the PFI contract which I have not seen but one of the increasing concerns with PFI contracts is that it is for the contractor to determine what is adequate maintenance to their building during the course of the contract. As the contracts get older this is more and more of an issue with PFI contractors claiming anything additional are "improvements" for which they are entitled to be paid in addition.
The Local Authority of course have a responsibility to ensure that the schools are safe for children to attend but they can find their hands tied where the PFI contractor is insisting that he has complied with his contractual obligations. AIUI in this case the Authority received a letter saying the schools were fine and then another letter saying that they weren't or at least it could not be guaranteed that they were. The fact this has arisen from correspondence instead of a report from a structural engineer appointed by the authority is a major source of concern but not necessarily the local authority's fault.
So it's Sunday at last, I waited 3 days, so what is that amusing scandal then that was advertised to be unveiled on Sunday ?
It is published, it is very interesting reading, but we aren't allowed to mention it (and no it is not some crazy 89-90 whatever it is Lizard Illuminati conspiracy). I posted an interesting but not scandalous sideline from it and it got pulled.
which newspaper should I look at?
I'm assuming that it's neither superinjunction or ++Justin?
As I said, its not in a newspaper. It concerns a number of newspapers written by an established journo.
Sorry it is clear we aren't allowed to link to it or talk about it. As I say it is not on David Icke dot com or something bonkers like that and is written by a fleet street journo who works for broadsheet paper.
So it's Sunday at last, I waited 3 days, so what is that amusing scandal then that was advertised to be unveiled on Sunday ?
It is published, it is very interesting reading, but we aren't allowed to mention it (and no it is not some crazy 89-90 whatever it is Lizard Illuminati conspiracy). I posted an interesting but not scandalous sideline from it and it got pulled.
which newspaper should I look at?
I'm assuming that it's neither superinjunction or ++Justin?
As I said, its not in a newspaper. It concerns a number of newspapers written by an established journo.
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Now its rich bloke invests £14k in a Unit Trust and pays all the taxes due and gets money left to him legally by his rich parents.
Now that Dave’s image has slumped so badly and in the short term he will be avoiding hacks, the REMAIN campaign have a major problem. He cannot send Osborne out either.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/must-stop-dodgy-david-cameron-7722428
FWIW, my view now is that we will narrowly vote to Leave and then, in the ensuing economic meltdown, we will be asked to vote again after another attempt at renegotiation.
Times are certainly strange when even the Italians are acting all superior.
44 hours 44 minutes 44 seconds
There are so remarkably few positive cases being made here for Remain or on social media - I'm genuinely wondering what is convincing them.
Hey ho, I'd feel sorry for my Party leader if he hadn't invited 90% on himself. How he picks up the pieces post 24 June... Sunday Times is reporting he's trying to rebuild burnt bridges. Well he set fire to them.
It's a voodoo poll, of course, but that Mirror story has a "vote now" link with 69% in favour of 'out'
Of course that's nothing more than normal volatility, but will be presented as "BILLIONS wiped off share prices" and then no one will report on the increase
Shocked.
If there was any real majority amongst Labour voters for LEAVE it would spell doom for REMAIN.
What a REMAIN campaign? Split opposition teams, Government controlling the calendar, agenda and resources and 7 weeks gone of regular Govt speeches and media events. All of that and we are here today with 50/50 polling and IMHO LEAVE are ahead based on likely turnout.
10 weeks to go and 8 weeks before postal votes.
http://youtu.be/y30VxhWQdsM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuela-energy-crisis-president-tells-women-to-stop-using-hairdryers-and-go-with-natural-style-to-a6976246.html
"The President of Venezuela has urged women to stop using hairdryers and offered alternative styling tips as the country’s energy crisis continues.
Nicolas Maduro has announced a decree giving state employees Fridays off for two months as part of measures to offset a crippling electricity shortage."
Wasn't he named after a firm of London estate agents?
In the end, it's still a 4 bed terrace - just the same as one that costs a tenth of the price in another part of the UK.
The stamp duty on a £2m house is £150k plus. Some tax dodge.
As a matter of interest, which governments do you have in mind?
It can't be any of the big European countries: France, Germany, Italy, Spain, or the Netherlands. (The next government in Italy might be different, but right now Renzi is much more pro-EU than his population.) Venstre in Denmark is pretty pro-European. The Finns are pretty Eurosceptic, but the Finnish PM - from the Centre Party - is resolutely pro-EU.
The Eurosceptic government I can think of is in Poland: but I can't see them going for it. Why? Because Poland's great economic success has been on the back of being a low cost centre of manufacturing for German companies. Poland is also the biggest net recipient of EU funds.
Further, while I'm a little sceptical of the impartiality of the "Eurobarometer" surveys from the EU, they have the Polish people as one of the most pro-EU in the whole bloc. The "right direction, wrong direction for the EU is 2:1 in favour; we (at the other end of the scale) are 2:1 against.
http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14417116.Panama_companies_own_more_than_60_000_acres_of_Scottish_land/
It'll be interesting to discover exactly what the building /design fault is.
To go all Four Yorkshireman, my inheritance from one parent was squandered by the other (long divorced) dipping into it to cover their credit card debt while I was a minor, so I've got nothing coming anyway. Save save save, I guess.
Labour's watch to be fair to the SNP.
So it's Sunday at last, I waited 3 days, so what is that amusing scandal then that was advertised to be unveiled on Sunday ?
I'm assuming that it's neither superinjunction or ++Justin?
It is slightly alarming that contractor seems incapable of building a wall that is strong enough to avoid being blown over or stick wall panels to the side of a building. I wondered if they had used plasticene instead of cement.
I would be looking at who signed off this work as fit for purpose. And they should be looking out their insurance policies.
Governments, probably not but I think there are several countries within the EU whose populations have very significant minorities, if not majorities, that would vote to leave if only they were given a chance.
Were the UK to vote out I should be very surprised if in several other countries the pressure for a similar chance to vote does not become irresistible.
Any link to it being lack of maintenance rather than a design/construction fault?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/09/elton-john-watches-billy-elliot-the-musical-with-husband-david-f/
Interestingly, it looks like the latest closures are related to a fault not in the exterior walls ...
According to the Eurobarometer survey, the three countries with the highest shares for "my country would be better off outside the EU" are France, Slovenia and the UK. (We top the list with just 43% of people disagreeing. Albeit there's a 16% or so of "don't knows".)
I suspect there are two things that would prevent mass departures: 1. I think there would be a desire to see how the UK fared outside the EU, before committing. If we were a beacon of success, that would clearly make a big difference. 2. It's a lot harder for a Eurozone country to leave the EU than us. Intriguingly, support for the Euro seems to be higher than support for the EU in most countries.)
The Local Authority of course have a responsibility to ensure that the schools are safe for children to attend but they can find their hands tied where the PFI contractor is insisting that he has complied with his contractual obligations. AIUI in this case the Authority received a letter saying the schools were fine and then another letter saying that they weren't or at least it could not be guaranteed that they were. The fact this has arisen from correspondence instead of a report from a structural engineer appointed by the authority is a major source of concern but not necessarily the local authority's fault.
This is a massive gift to the SNP.