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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Duckworth, cheers.

    Book I'm writing has a very well-trained (and therefore fictional) giant cat [lynx] as a pet to one of the major female characters. My own knowledge of cats is quite weak, so the answers have been appreciated (and to earlier queries).
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I quite agree, medical boarding IMO encourages malingering.

    I'm eligible for PIP and it'd be beneficial for me to exaggerate when my review comes up. It's a daft system.
    chestnut said:

    The C5 series on benefits cheats was rife with fake disability claims, bent doctors and professional document forgers.

    The whole system is far too subjective, and many of the reforms do nothing to alter that.

    I can see what IDS is trying to do and his motives are sound - there are a lot of people in the system who have limitations to their capability but who are not incapable - but they really should re-model the whole thing from start to finish.

    Payments and compliance should be more akin to JSA and fact based evidence and testing should support payment enhancements, rather than medical boarding.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999

    OT When was the last time anyone bought dried mashed potatoes? I'd forgotten it exists until seeing it used in an episode of Kitchen Nightmares.

    When I was walking (sob, sob), I'd often take a packet or two with me to use. Not particularly for any calorific content, but because many walking foods are highly calorific but not bulky, meaning I'd eat them and feel empty. It's also nice comfort food when you're cold. Early on a trip, I might even have carried the luxury of a can of baked beans and sausages with me. Mix 'em up for some simple, quick and Pocket Rocket (*)-friendly grub.

    Also, Uncle Ben's two-minute rice was a staple.

    We have a couple of packets in the cupboard at home for when we make bubble and squeak. If there isn't quite enough potato left compared to veg, make some Smash,a dd what you need and throw the rest away.

    (*) The portable cooker, not the urban definition. ;)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    Golf is a funny game.

    Joost Luiten was 7 under through 15 today and now needs to hols a 40ft putt to make the cut.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Now that's a faux pas I'd die from.

    My memory of Smash was gritty and dense. Haven't eaten it in 30 years. I confess to buying fresh mashed potatoes as it's a pain to cock about making them/washing up.

    Still best evah TV advert
    https://youtu.be/uKt-KR1TsRg

    OT When was the last time anyone bought dried mashed potatoes? I'd forgotten it exists until seeing it used in an episode of Kitchen Nightmares.

    You can still get Smash.The only reason I know this is the Good Lady Wifi was making a shepherd's pie type thing and had forgotten to get the mashed potato from M&S. One of the guests was coming past the shops and was asked to get the mash. She turned up with Smash....

    ...with hilarious consequences.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943

    Until the EU and Russia can determine what a healthy mutual relationship looks like then entertaining the prospect of Turkish membership looks very premature. Russia should certainly be ahead of Turkey in the queue, and given the unlikelihood of Russia ever joining, or wanting to join, that probably means that Turkey is in the never category.

    If you believe in European free movement it's difficult not to see the mutually onerous visa process on both sides as intolerable.

    My view is that it is good to work towards membership, as the process will help closeness and trade. That does not mean they will become members, though.

    As an example, in order to join a country has to meet almost all of the chapters of the acquis communautaire. Turkey is currently not doing well in this regard after many years, and in some ways is heading backwards - it obviously requires particular censure on press freedom.
    I fully agree with you there and that's why the hysteria about Merkel supposedly 'fast-tracking' their membership was misplaced. Meeting the accession chapters will be tough - they've only met one out of thirty-five after nearly two decades. Further membership talks will only provide a forum in which to beat up the Turkish leadership on their lack of commitment to good governance.
    The Turks are overwhelmingly against joining.
    Erdogan would not be able to stomach the reforms needed.
    And the Cypriots will veto Turkey's membership anyway.

    The odds on Turkey joining the EU in the next two decades are well into the three figures.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. 1000, stranger things have happened. That horse, becoming pope. Or Corbyn becoming Labour leader.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    GOP watch:

    http://www.alaskagop.org/delegate_count_recalculated_after_rubio_suspends_flpfzejqkhsu9ueskitjoa

    Alaska

    Cruz + 2; Trump +3 in delegate count.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-to-marco-rubios-delegates/

    Iowa, Georgia, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Hawaii, North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, De facto Nevada

    Rubio's remain bound to him.

    States where delegates can or will become unbound:

    New Hampshire, Tennessee, Minnesota, Louisiana, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Wyoming, Alabama, Texas, Kansas

    Kentucky is interesting:

    In Kentucky, Rubio's 7 now-unbound delegates must meet together with the state's bound delegates to hold a secret ballot through which the unbound delegates will be re-allocated to another candidate.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943
    Smash is fantastic as a sauce thickener: use it instead of cornflower as (a) it is utterly bland, and (b) it doesn't stick together in lumps.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    That sounds a sensible practical use, I'd use noodles or oatmeal myself just for preference.

    Bubble and squeak is a favourite of mine.

    OT When was the last time anyone bought dried mashed potatoes? I'd forgotten it exists until seeing it used in an episode of Kitchen Nightmares.

    When I was walking (sob, sob), I'd often take a packet or two with me to use. Not particularly for any calorific content, but because many walking foods are highly calorific but not bulky, meaning I'd eat them and feel empty. It's also nice comfort food when you're cold. Early on a trip, I might even have carried the luxury of a can of baked beans and sausages with me. Mix 'em up for some simple, quick and Pocket Rocket (*)-friendly grub.

    Also, Uncle Ben's two-minute rice was a staple.

    We have a couple of packets in the cupboard at home for when we make bubble and squeak. If there isn't quite enough potato left compared to veg, make some Smash,a dd what you need and throw the rest away.

    (*) The portable cooker, not the urban definition. ;)
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    forgotten to get the mashed potato from M&S. .

    how the other half live *or the 1% or whatever it is these days*
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Just dropping by to add my congratulations to Messrs. Fletcher & Herdson.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,784

    Wow Australia looking very impressive in the ICC T20

    Not any longer... the Kiwi's have really pulled this back.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Female cats are dominant most often in a group.

    Dominant cats take higher vantage points, feed first and set the whole tone. Calm Assertive would be their attitude. Until messed with, then they'll break your arm.

    Mr. Duckworth, cheers.

    Book I'm writing has a very well-trained (and therefore fictional) giant cat [lynx] as a pet to one of the major female characters. My own knowledge of cats is quite weak, so the answers have been appreciated (and to earlier queries).

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    rcs1000 said:

    Until the EU and Russia can determine what a healthy mutual relationship looks like then entertaining the prospect of Turkish membership looks very premature. Russia should certainly be ahead of Turkey in the queue, and given the unlikelihood of Russia ever joining, or wanting to join, that probably means that Turkey is in the never category.

    If you believe in European free movement it's difficult not to see the mutually onerous visa process on both sides as intolerable.

    My view is that it is good to work towards membership, as the process will help closeness and trade. That does not mean they will become members, though.

    As an example, in order to join a country has to meet almost all of the chapters of the acquis communautaire. Turkey is currently not doing well in this regard after many years, and in some ways is heading backwards - it obviously requires particular censure on press freedom.
    I fully agree with you there and that's why the hysteria about Merkel supposedly 'fast-tracking' their membership was misplaced. Meeting the accession chapters will be tough - they've only met one out of thirty-five after nearly two decades. Further membership talks will only provide a forum in which to beat up the Turkish leadership on their lack of commitment to good governance.
    The Turks are overwhelmingly against joining.
    Erdogan would not be able to stomach the reforms needed.
    And the Cypriots will veto Turkey's membership anyway.

    The odds on Turkey joining the EU in the next two decades are well into the three figures.
    "The Turks are overwhelmingly against joining."

    Not quite 'overwhelmingly' against:
    http://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affairs/2015/08/03/turkish-people-indecisive-over-eu-membership-survey-reveals

    The fact that's in the Sabah is interesting in itself, given that paper's pro-AKP editorial stance.

    Agree with the rest.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Miss Plato, just a solitary cat in this case. It's quite handy for the lady to have her, as the owner tends not to be personally violent but having a well-trained lynx prowling around adds an element of danger.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Tip, just pop a teaspoon of cornflour in an egg cup and add a little water. It won't clump or go lumpy when you stir it in. Ditto Bisto powder if anyone uses that.
    rcs1000 said:

    Smash is fantastic as a sauce thickener: use it instead of cornflower as (a) it is utterly bland, and (b) it doesn't stick together in lumps.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Assuming your lynx sees her as more dominant, the same applies - if not, she'll steal her dinner, bed space, pillow, ignore and generally be in charge :smiley:

    Miss Plato, just a solitary cat in this case. It's quite handy for the lady to have her, as the owner tends not to be personally violent but having a well-trained lynx prowling around adds an element of danger.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    US Election 2016: Would President Trump be a risk to global security?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35836099

    Apparently Trump as president is nearly as dangerous as Putin or us leaving the EU, sorry "fragmentation of the EU"....no fear mongering going on there.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Miss Plato, Princess Karena is definitely in charge.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943

    rcs1000 said:

    Until the EU and Russia can determine what a healthy mutual relationship looks like then entertaining the prospect of Turkish membership looks very premature. Russia should certainly be ahead of Turkey in the queue, and given the unlikelihood of Russia ever joining, or wanting to join, that probably means that Turkey is in the never category.

    If you believe in European free movement it's difficult not to see the mutually onerous visa process on both sides as intolerable.

    My view is that it is good to work towards membership, as the process will help closeness and trade. That does not mean they will become members, though.

    As an example, in order to join a country has to meet almost all of the chapters of the acquis communautaire. Turkey is currently not doing well in this regard after many years, and in some ways is heading backwards - it obviously requires particular censure on press freedom.
    I fully agree with you there and that's why the hysteria about Merkel supposedly 'fast-tracking' their membership was misplaced. Meeting the accession chapters will be tough - they've only met one out of thirty-five after nearly two decades. Further membership talks will only provide a forum in which to beat up the Turkish leadership on their lack of commitment to good governance.
    The Turks are overwhelmingly against joining.
    Erdogan would not be able to stomach the reforms needed.
    And the Cypriots will veto Turkey's membership anyway.

    The odds on Turkey joining the EU in the next two decades are well into the three figures.
    "The Turks are overwhelmingly against joining."

    Not quite 'overwhelmingly' against:
    http://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affairs/2015/08/03/turkish-people-indecisive-over-eu-membership-survey-reveals

    The fact that's in the Sabah is interesting in itself, given that paper's pro-AKP editorial stance.

    Agree with the rest.
    As an aside, the French constitution was changed to require a referendum on Turkish accession to the EU. (Technically, it requires a referendum if any country were to join the EU, increasing its population by 5%.)

    That's another pretty major hurdle in the way of Turkish membership.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Did we get this last night?

    Britain Elects
    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) result:
    CON: 45.0% (-8.9)
    LDEM: 27.4% (+10.1)
    LAB: 18.8% (-10.0)
    UKIP: 5.9% (+5.9)
    IND: 2.9% (+2.9)
  • Borussia Dortmund v Liverpool in the Quarter Finals of the Europa.

    Goddamnit, I'm going to try and go to both matches.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Maxwell gone ! Aus in trouble.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,784

    Did we get this last night?

    Britain Elects
    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) result:
    CON: 45.0% (-8.9)
    LDEM: 27.4% (+10.1)
    LAB: 18.8% (-10.0)
    UKIP: 5.9% (+5.9)
    IND: 2.9% (+2.9)

    Nope - it was counting this morning... ;-)
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    I quite agree, medical boarding IMO encourages malingering.

    It is not even that as far as I am concerned.

    It just creates an enormous bureaucracy and a culture of dispute, appeal, review and grievance. It's very much like the CSA in that sense.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Yuck

    Sun
    Rolf Harris pleads not guilty as disabled alleged victim says he was 'like an octopus' https://t.co/ufDVxJ2wpD https://t.co/XSrIGmjpRD
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Did we get this last night?

    Britain Elects
    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) result:
    CON: 45.0% (-8.9)
    LDEM: 27.4% (+10.1)
    LAB: 18.8% (-10.0)
    UKIP: 5.9% (+5.9)
    IND: 2.9% (+2.9)

    The "old" anti-Tory understanding coming back.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Until the EU and Russia can determine what a healthy mutual relationship looks like then entertaining the prospect of Turkish membership looks very premature. Russia should certainly be ahead of Turkey in the queue, and given the unlikelihood of Russia ever joining, or wanting to join, that probably means that Turkey is in the never category.

    If you believe in European free movement it's difficult not to see the mutually onerous visa process on both sides as intolerable.

    My view is that it is good to work towards membership, as the process will help closeness and trade. That does not mean they will become members, though.

    As an example, in order to join a country has to meet almost all of the chapters of the acquis communautaire. Turkey is currently not doing well in this regard after many years, and in some ways is heading backwards - it obviously requires particular censure on press freedom.
    I fully agree with you there and that's why the hysteria about Merkel supposedly 'fast-tracking' their membership was misplaced. Meeting the accession chapters will be tough - they've only met one out of thirty-five after nearly two decades. Further membership talks will only provide a forum in which to beat up the Turkish leadership on their lack of commitment to good governance.
    The Turks are overwhelmingly against joining.
    Erdogan would not be able to stomach the reforms needed.
    And the Cypriots will veto Turkey's membership anyway.

    The odds on Turkey joining the EU in the next two decades are well into the three figures.
    "The Turks are overwhelmingly against joining."

    Not quite 'overwhelmingly' against:
    http://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affairs/2015/08/03/turkish-people-indecisive-over-eu-membership-survey-reveals

    The fact that's in the Sabah is interesting in itself, given that paper's pro-AKP editorial stance.

    Agree with the rest.
    As an aside, the French constitution was changed to require a referendum on Turkish accession to the EU. (Technically, it requires a referendum if any country were to join the EU, increasing its population by 5%.)

    That's another pretty major hurdle in the way of Turkish membership.
    Didn't know that. Thanks.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    WTF WTF WTF they earmarked £9m!!

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/18/mystery-of-5-million-taxpayer-funded-website-that-ran-for-3-months/
    How much would you pay for this website about why we should all “back climate action”? £4,000? £40,000? Well, according to a data dump from the Department of Energy and Climate Change, ministers blew a staggering £4.9 million of taxpayer’s money on the beta site, which only ran for three months. Surely some mistake?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Miss Plato, if global warming enthusiasts want to pay me £1m I will spend the whole year promoting the theory on my website.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Peter Sutherland UN
    The Commission wants EU countries to relocate 6000 asylum seekers per month from Greece and Italy. " If we do not the whole system collapses

    No thanks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    WTF WTF WTF they earmarked £9m!!

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/18/mystery-of-5-million-taxpayer-funded-website-that-ran-for-3-months/

    How much would you pay for this website about why we should all “back climate action”? £4,000? £40,000? Well, according to a data dump from the Department of Energy and Climate Change, ministers blew a staggering £4.9 million of taxpayer’s money on the beta site, which only ran for three months. Surely some mistake?
    With the likes of Wordpress, these days putting up a simple informational website should cost very very little. Low £1000's, if you are literally just putting up content that is already written, logos already exist etc.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Roger said:

    Labour MP Simon Danczuk has been ordered to repay thousands of pounds after admitting he made an "error" in his expenses claims.

    The Rochdale MP has been investigated over money he wrongly claimed for the cost of his children living in London.

    The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) has now told him he must repay £11,583.20.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-35813208

    Time to give the Daily Mail another call for a "pap" shot with his latest squeeze...

    Point of order; since being expelled from the Labour party for being a c**t it's misleading to describe him as "Labour MP "...
    He has been suspended - rather than expelled.
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    Pulpstar said:

    GOP watch:

    http://www.alaskagop.org/delegate_count_recalculated_after_rubio_suspends_flpfzejqkhsu9ueskitjoa

    Alaska

    Cruz + 2; Trump +3 in delegate count.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-to-marco-rubios-delegates/

    Iowa, Georgia, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Hawaii, North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, De facto Nevada

    Rubio's remain bound to him.

    States where delegates can or will become unbound:

    New Hampshire, Tennessee, Minnesota, Louisiana, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Wyoming, Alabama, Texas, Kansas

    Kentucky is interesting:

    In Kentucky, Rubio's 7 now-unbound delegates must meet together with the state's bound delegates to hold a secret ballot through which the unbound delegates will be re-allocated to another candidate.

    An air of inevitability to it now.

    Kasich is holding townhalls in Utah, Trump may be going there too. Conceivable Cruz will be held under 50 and Trump will get above 15. That said I expect Trump has put as much organisation and effort into the Utah caucus as when he blew the Maine and Alaska caucuses.

    I guess Kasich wants as many delegates as possible either to be VP for Trump or to win an increasingly unlikely contested convention.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944
    surbiton said:

    Did we get this last night?

    Britain Elects
    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) result:
    CON: 45.0% (-8.9)
    LDEM: 27.4% (+10.1)
    LAB: 18.8% (-10.0)
    UKIP: 5.9% (+5.9)
    IND: 2.9% (+2.9)

    The "old" anti-Tory understanding coming back.
    No, this was counted this morning.
    The other two counted last night were two Tory losses, one to Lib Dems, one to Independent.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,004

    Question for cat owners (especially larger cats): if you throw some meat for a cat and they're delighted to have it, do they purr, or just wolf it down?

    In a way that they never do for Whiskas,domestic cats growl and wolf between growls. They will often take the piece into a secure place, such as beneath a table.
    As they also do when bringing dead mouse / bird / squirrel / who-knows-what home.

    Whether they eat it or not immediately is most likely to be a function of how hungry they are.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    surbiton said:

    Did we get this last night?

    Britain Elects
    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) result:
    CON: 45.0% (-8.9)
    LDEM: 27.4% (+10.1)
    LAB: 18.8% (-10.0)
    UKIP: 5.9% (+5.9)
    IND: 2.9% (+2.9)

    The "old" anti-Tory understanding coming back.
    Do you mean LD taking 10 from Labour and a comfortable con hold all things considered?

    BTW - given the wet PB Tory poll panic last night have there yet been sightings of Compouter/IoS/squirrels/goalposts??
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    I'd expect a bill of say £300k for something really sexy paid for and integrated/maintenance with other HMG sites to just push a policy view. But unless it's all back ended into loads of systems these numbers are absurd.

    WTF WTF WTF they earmarked £9m!!

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/18/mystery-of-5-million-taxpayer-funded-website-that-ran-for-3-months/

    How much would you pay for this website about why we should all “back climate action”? £4,000? £40,000? Well, according to a data dump from the Department of Energy and Climate Change, ministers blew a staggering £4.9 million of taxpayer’s money on the beta site, which only ran for three months. Surely some mistake?
    With the likes of Wordpress, these days putting up a simple informational website should cost very very little. Low £1000's, if you are literally just putting up content that is already written, logos already exist etc.

  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    I'd expect a bill of say £300k for something really sexy paid for and integrated with other HMG sites to just push a policy view. But unless it's all back ended into loads of systems these numbers are absurd.

    WTF WTF WTF they earmarked £9m!!

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/18/mystery-of-5-million-taxpayer-funded-website-that-ran-for-3-months/

    How much would you pay for this website about why we should all “back climate action”? £4,000? £40,000? Well, according to a data dump from the Department of Energy and Climate Change, ministers blew a staggering £4.9 million of taxpayer’s money on the beta site, which only ran for three months. Surely some mistake?
    With the likes of Wordpress, these days putting up a simple informational website should cost very very little. Low £1000's, if you are literally just putting up content that is already written, logos already exist etc.


    won&t you give them some credit for saving 4million !?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    Pulling the thread together, Smash seems to have found a use inside Nicky Morgan's head in place of brains.

    I'm glad I left Luffy before she was elected.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,797
    edited March 2016
    The Stephen Fisher analysis is intertesting. He has REMAIN on 58% after applying a +4.4% adjustment (half the average difference between online and phone polls).

    He believes that the polling error is very large and estimates that the standard deviation is 7%. If you look up a normal distribution table, you will find that this implies that REMAIN has an 87% chance of getting more than 50%, as he says.

    However if you disregard the +4.4% adjustment for the difference between polling methodologies, then REMAIN is on 53.6% (half a σ away from 50%), implying that the chance of REMAIN getting more than 50% is only 69%.

    This is exactly the same as the chance implied by the betting on Betfair. See above.

    In other words, the betting is ignoring the telephone polling and relying only on the online polls.
    Psychologically, I find I'm doing the same thing and concentrating only on the online polls.

    From a betting perspective, it is really important to understand the cause of the difference between the two polling methodologies (Fisher doesn't know so he goes half way).

    In the meantime, in the absence of that understanding and a crystal ball, REMAIN at a 69% chance must be a value bet.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    I'd expect a bill of say £300k for something really sexy paid for and integrated with other HMG sites to just push a policy view. But unless it's all back ended into loads of systems these numbers are absurd.

    WTF WTF WTF they earmarked £9m!!

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/18/mystery-of-5-million-taxpayer-funded-website-that-ran-for-3-months/

    How much would you pay for this website about why we should all “back climate action”? £4,000? £40,000? Well, according to a data dump from the Department of Energy and Climate Change, ministers blew a staggering £4.9 million of taxpayer’s money on the beta site, which only ran for three months. Surely some mistake?
    With the likes of Wordpress, these days putting up a simple informational website should cost very very little. Low £1000's, if you are literally just putting up content that is already written, logos already exist etc.
    won&t you give them some credit for saving 4million !?

    No wonder Cruz and Trump are enjoying so much support right now in the USA !
  • Unfortunate moment on the Daily Politics just now where a Labour MEP talked about a final solution to the migrant crisis
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,004
    LondonBob said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GOP watch:

    http://www.alaskagop.org/delegate_count_recalculated_after_rubio_suspends_flpfzejqkhsu9ueskitjoa

    Alaska

    Cruz + 2; Trump +3 in delegate count.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-to-marco-rubios-delegates/

    Iowa, Georgia, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Hawaii, North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, De facto Nevada

    Rubio's remain bound to him.

    States where delegates can or will become unbound:

    New Hampshire, Tennessee, Minnesota, Louisiana, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Wyoming, Alabama, Texas, Kansas

    Kentucky is interesting:

    In Kentucky, Rubio's 7 now-unbound delegates must meet together with the state's bound delegates to hold a secret ballot through which the unbound delegates will be re-allocated to another candidate.

    An air of inevitability to it now.

    Kasich is holding townhalls in Utah, Trump may be going there too. Conceivable Cruz will be held under 50 and Trump will get above 15. That said I expect Trump has put as much organisation and effort into the Utah caucus as when he blew the Maine and Alaska caucuses.

    I guess Kasich wants as many delegates as possible either to be VP for Trump or to win an increasingly unlikely contested convention.
    As long as Trump isn't embarrassed in Utah, he'll be fine. He should win Arizona, after which there's nothing until Wisconsin on 5 April, which should be another win, New York a fortnight later where he could come close to sweeping the state as he did in S Carolina, and then a round of New England primaries a week after that.

    Cruz really needs to win Utah well, otherwise there'll be a good chance that he'll be on the back foot for a long time now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    LondonBob said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GOP watch:

    http://www.alaskagop.org/delegate_count_recalculated_after_rubio_suspends_flpfzejqkhsu9ueskitjoa

    Alaska

    Cruz + 2; Trump +3 in delegate count.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-to-marco-rubios-delegates/

    Iowa, Georgia, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Hawaii, North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, De facto Nevada

    Rubio's remain bound to him.

    States where delegates can or will become unbound:

    New Hampshire, Tennessee, Minnesota, Louisiana, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Wyoming, Alabama, Texas, Kansas

    Kentucky is interesting:

    In Kentucky, Rubio's 7 now-unbound delegates must meet together with the state's bound delegates to hold a secret ballot through which the unbound delegates will be re-allocated to another candidate.

    An air of inevitability to it now.

    Kasich is holding townhalls in Utah, Trump may be going there too. Conceivable Cruz will be held under 50 and Trump will get above 15. That said I expect Trump has put as much organisation and effort into the Utah caucus as when he blew the Maine and Alaska caucuses.

    I guess Kasich wants as many delegates as possible either to be VP for Trump or to win an increasingly unlikely contested convention.
    As long as Trump isn't embarrassed in Utah, he'll be fine. He should win Arizona, after which there's nothing until Wisconsin on 5 April, which should be another win, New York a fortnight later where he could come close to sweeping the state as he did in S Carolina, and then a round of New England primaries a week after that.

    Cruz really needs to win Utah well, otherwise there'll be a good chance that he'll be on the back foot for a long time now.
    Fair chance Cruz wins Utah with over 50%, whilst Trump gets ~ 40% or so there. I can see Kasich getting a classic squeeze there.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The oddest thing I came down to was a mouse larder. Six dead ones laid neatly out side by side in a dark kitchen corner. And the moment I spotted them, Boho ran over and ate them all a tout vitesse.

    Question for cat owners (especially larger cats): if you throw some meat for a cat and they're delighted to have it, do they purr, or just wolf it down?

    In a way that they never do for Whiskas,domestic cats growl and wolf between growls. Ty will often take the piece into a secure place, such as beneath a table.
    As they also do when bringing dead mouse / bird / squirrel / who-knows-what home.

    Whether they eat it or not immediately is most likely to be a function of how hungry they are.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,004
    surbiton said:

    Did we get this last night?

    Britain Elects
    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) result:
    CON: 45.0% (-8.9)
    LDEM: 27.4% (+10.1)
    LAB: 18.8% (-10.0)
    UKIP: 5.9% (+5.9)
    IND: 2.9% (+2.9)

    The "old" anti-Tory understanding coming back.
    How do you work that out? Surely if there was tactical anti-Tory voting then it would have been Labour, who started on 29%, rather than the Lib Dems, who started on 17%, that would have benefited from it?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :smiley:

    Worthy of Matt

    Pulling the thread together, Smash seems to have found a use inside Nicky Morgan's head in place of brains.

    I'm glad I left Luffy before she was elected.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    felix said:

    surbiton said:

    Did we get this last night?

    Britain Elects
    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) result:
    CON: 45.0% (-8.9)
    LDEM: 27.4% (+10.1)
    LAB: 18.8% (-10.0)
    UKIP: 5.9% (+5.9)
    IND: 2.9% (+2.9)

    The "old" anti-Tory understanding coming back.
    Do you mean LD taking 10 from Labour and a comfortable con hold all things considered?

    BTW - given the wet PB Tory poll panic last night have there yet been sightings of Compouter/IoS/squirrels/goalposts??
    What happened last night ?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I may be entirely wrong, but I can't see why Mormons would vote for Cruz more than another candidate.

    LondonBob said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GOP watch:

    http://www.alaskagop.org/delegate_count_recalculated_after_rubio_suspends_flpfzejqkhsu9ueskitjoa

    Alaska

    Cruz + 2; Trump +3 in delegate count.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-to-marco-rubios-delegates/

    Iowa, Georgia, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Hawaii, North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, De facto Nevada

    Rubio's remain bound to him.

    States where delegates can or will become unbound:

    New Hampshire, Tennessee, Minnesota, Louisiana, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Wyoming, Alabama, Texas, Kansas

    Kentucky is interesting:

    In Kentucky, Rubio's 7 now-unbound delegates must meet together with the state's bound delegates to hold a secret ballot through which the unbound delegates will be re-allocated to another candidate.

    An air of inevitability to it now.

    Kasich is holding townhalls in Utah, Trump may be going there too. Conceivable Cruz will be held under 50 and Trump will get above 15. That said I expect Trump has put as much organisation and effort into the Utah caucus as when he blew the Maine and Alaska caucuses.

    I guess Kasich wants as many delegates as possible either to be VP for Trump or to win an increasingly unlikely contested convention.
    As long as Trump isn't embarrassed in Utah, he'll be fine. He should win Arizona, after which there's nothing until Wisconsin on 5 April, which should be another win, New York a fortnight later where he could come close to sweeping the state as he did in S Carolina, and then a round of New England primaries a week after that.

    Cruz really needs to win Utah well, otherwise there'll be a good chance that he'll be on the back foot for a long time now.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301

    Unfortunate moment on the Daily Politics just now where a Labour MEP talked about a final solution to the migrant crisis

    is it recorded?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Thank goodness that Farage or Merkel hadn't said that.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited March 2016
    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.
  • dr_spyn said:

    Unfortunate moment on the Daily Politics just now where a Labour MEP talked about a final solution to the migrant crisis

    is it recorded?
    No it's live. Neil pulled him up on it and he said himself that it was an unfortunate choice of words.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    My heart bleeds

    Danny Shaw
    4 police officers arrested re Police Fed fraud allegations re "concerns about the transfer of around £1 million to a charitable account"

    http://www.surrey.police.uk/News/News-Stories/Full-news-story/Article/12543/Four-arrested-in-connection-with-allegation-of-potential-fraudulent-activity-re
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    My heart bleeds

    Ross Hawkin
    4 police officers arrested re Police Fed fraud allegations re "concerns about the transfer of around £1 million to a charitable account"

    you are judge lionel nutmeg and i claim my 5 pounds
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301

    My heart bleeds

    Danny Shaw
    4 police officers arrested re Police Fed fraud allegations re "concerns about the transfer of around £1 million to a charitable account"

    http://www.surrey.police.uk/News/News-Stories/Full-news-story/Article/12543/Four-arrested-in-connection-with-allegation-of-potential-fraudulent-activity-re

    File code named Gold Cup.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301

    dr_spyn said:

    Unfortunate moment on the Daily Politics just now where a Labour MEP talked about a final solution to the migrant crisis

    is it recorded?
    No it's live. Neil pulled him up on it and he said himself that it was an unfortunate choice of words.
    A spokesman said later, that work would make them free.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    For some reason no one has yet linked to this:

    http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit02.pdf
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Fox
    .@TedCruz goes one-on-one with @SeanHannity in a special hour-long LIVE event TONIGHT at 10p ET. Don't miss it! https://t.co/l09l74VxY7
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    I may be entirely wrong, but I can't see why Mormons would vote for Cruz more than another candidate.

    LondonBob said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GOP watch:

    http://www.alaskagop.org/delegate_count_recalculated_after_rubio_suspends_flpfzejqkhsu9ueskitjoa

    Alaska

    Cruz + 2; Trump +3 in delegate count.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happens-to-marco-rubios-delegates/

    Iowa, Georgia, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Hawaii, North Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, De facto Nevada

    Rubio's remain bound to him.

    States where delegates can or will become unbound:

    New Hampshire, Tennessee, Minnesota, Louisiana, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Wyoming, Alabama, Texas, Kansas

    Kentucky is interesting:

    In Kentucky, Rubio's 7 now-unbound delegates must meet together with the state's bound delegates to hold a secret ballot through which the unbound delegates will be re-allocated to another candidate.

    An air of inevitability to it now.

    Kasich is holding townhalls in Utah, Trump may be going there too. Conceivable Cruz will be held under 50 and Trump will get above 15. That said I expect Trump has put as much organisation and effort into the Utah caucus as when he blew the Maine and Alaska caucuses.

    I guess Kasich wants as many delegates as possible either to be VP for Trump or to win an increasingly unlikely contested convention.
    As long as Trump isn't embarrassed in Utah, he'll be fine. He should win Arizona, after which there's nothing until Wisconsin on 5 April, which should be another win, New York a fortnight later where he could come close to sweeping the state as he did in S Carolina, and then a round of New England primaries a week after that.

    Cruz really needs to win Utah well, otherwise there'll be a good chance that he'll be on the back foot for a long time now.
    Cruz is more religious, less crude, traditionally Mormons have been less anti immigration than other groups (possibly because Mormonism is quite big in South and Central America). I think the state legislature supported an amnesty not long ago. However ISIS might have galvanised opinion.
    There was also a poll earlier in the campaign showing Trump behind in Utah if I recall.
    Romney still very popular there and he's come out against Trump
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.
    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Iirc Trump did best in the Ohio counties bordering Pennsylvania. Not sure if that is significant.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Jade Smith
    Poor George Tinsley. 56 votes. Serves him right for defecting and becoming an independent. Bye bye cxZ6pskxWH

    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) vote result:
    CON: 879
    LDEM: 536
    LAB: 368
    UKIP: 116
    IND: 56
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417

    Tom Harris
    Why I've decided to run the Scottish campaign to @vote_leave @ScotsVoteLeave https://t.co/9685isx1Jt

    VoteLeave, GO, ScotsVoteLeave, - how many Leave campaigns will there be by 23rd June?
    Be LEAVE!

    The LEAVE campaign exclusively for PBers :)
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Tom Harris
    Why I've decided to run the Scottish campaign to @vote_leave @ScotsVoteLeave https://t.co/9685isx1Jt

    VoteLeave, GO, ScotsVoteLeave, - how many Leave campaigns will there be by 23rd June?
    Be LEAVE!

    The LEAVE campaign exclusively for PBers :)
    Have you thought about covering I'm a Believer with Mandy Boylett?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    edited March 2016

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    Wanderer said:

    Tom Harris
    Why I've decided to run the Scottish campaign to @vote_leave @ScotsVoteLeave https://t.co/9685isx1Jt

    VoteLeave, GO, ScotsVoteLeave, - how many Leave campaigns will there be by 23rd June?
    Be LEAVE!

    The LEAVE campaign exclusively for PBers :)
    Have you thought about covering I'm a Believer with Mandy Boylett?
    LEAVE IN SILENCE
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,004

    Assuming your lynx sees her as more dominant, the same applies - if not, she'll steal her dinner, bed space, pillow, ignore and generally be in charge :smiley:

    Miss Plato, just a solitary cat in this case. It's quite handy for the lady to have her, as the owner tends not to be personally violent but having a well-trained lynx prowling around adds an element of danger.

    Cats will steal your dinner irrespective of who is dominant - that only determines how brazen they'll be about it.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,004

    Jade Smith
    Poor George Tinsley. 56 votes. Serves him right for defecting and becoming an independent. Bye bye cxZ6pskxWH

    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) vote result:
    CON: 879
    LDEM: 536
    LAB: 368
    UKIP: 116
    IND: 56

    A salutary reminder to local politicians that most voters don't give a toss who's wearing the rosette.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    My analysis of the results is leading me to the conclusion that alot of Democrats came out for Kasich in Ohio.

    Also Illinois will stay very safely Democrat at the General :)
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Jade Smith
    Poor George Tinsley. 56 votes. Serves him right for defecting and becoming an independent. Bye bye cxZ6pskxWH

    Hutton (Redcar & Cleveland) vote result:
    CON: 879
    LDEM: 536
    LAB: 368
    UKIP: 116
    IND: 56

    A salutary reminder to local politicians that most voters don't give a toss who's wearing the rosette.
    Mark Reckless. How we laughed.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,942
    Guido Westerwelle has died.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    This story seems rather stupid on the part of the authority:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35842588
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
    For the Utah result it's best to look at the Idaho parts that are mormon heavy, mormons hate Trump along with the heavy christian fundamentalist areas in the great plains.

    Utah has 40 delegates so if Cruz is bellow 50% then Trump will get 4-6 delegates, I'm counting on him getting zero.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,004
    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Unfortunate moment on the Daily Politics just now where a Labour MEP talked about a final solution to the migrant crisis

    is it recorded?
    No it's live. Neil pulled him up on it and he said himself that it was an unfortunate choice of words.
    A spokesman said later, that work would make them free.
    It will be a pleasant day when that phrase doesn't carry such heavy baggage, just as - for example - no one cares about anyone wearing black shirts these days; they're no longer a symbol of anything.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Barnesian said:

    The Stephen Fisher analysis is intertesting. He has REMAIN on 58% after applying a +4.4% adjustment (half the average difference between online and phone polls).

    He believes that the polling error is very large and estimates that the standard deviation is 7%. If you look up a normal distribution table, you will find that this implies that REMAIN has an 87% chance of getting more than 50%, as he says.

    However if you disregard the +4.4% adjustment for the difference between polling methodologies, then REMAIN is on 53.6% (half a σ away from 50%), implying that the chance of REMAIN getting more than 50% is only 69%.

    This is exactly the same as the chance implied by the betting on Betfair. See above.

    In other words, the betting is ignoring the telephone polling and relying only on the online polls.
    Psychologically, I find I'm doing the same thing and concentrating only on the online polls.

    From a betting perspective, it is really important to understand the cause of the difference between the two polling methodologies (Fisher doesn't know so he goes half way).

    In the meantime, in the absence of that understanding and a crystal ball, REMAIN at a 69% chance must be a value bet.

    I agree that as things stand Remain is a value bet. The only thing stopping me piling on Remain is that I cannot produce a suitable forecast "Events" that I am happy with. I have not idea what chance any Event has of happening and I have no clue how soft the Remain vote is to Events.

    Without being able to price in Events I am staying away.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2016

    This story seems rather stupid on the part of the authority:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35842588

    Inept bean counters, and MOD bureaucracy. How much will that cost the taxpayer? 15 pilots, trained at a minimum cost of £3.5M. Genius.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Speedy said:

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
    For the Utah result it's best to look at the Idaho parts that are mormon heavy, mormons hate Trump along with the heavy christian fundamentalist areas in the great plains.

    Utah has 40 delegates so if Cruz is bellow 50% then Trump will get 4-6 delegates, I'm counting on him getting zero.
    Utah with three candidates under 50% is proportional.

    Unless you think Kasich is going to get 25%+ then Cruz<50% implies Trump>25% and therefore 10 or more delegates.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    My analysis of the results is leading me to the conclusion that alot of Democrats came out for Kasich in Ohio.

    Also Illinois will stay very safely Democrat at the General :)

    Indeed, I think around half a million, most of them Sanders voters.

    Sanders, by making the defeat of Trump the priority of his supporters, cost him victory in Illinois, Ohio and Missouri.
    The University of Missouri results are an example.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Speedy said:

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
    For the Utah result it's best to look at the Idaho parts that are mormon heavy, mormons hate Trump along with the heavy christian fundamentalist areas in the great plains.

    Utah has 40 delegates so if Cruz is bellow 50% then Trump will get 4-6 delegates, I'm counting on him getting zero.
    Utah with three candidates under 50% is proportional.

    Unless you think Kasich is going to get 25%+ then Cruz<50% implies Trump>25% and therefore 10 or more delegates.
    Cruz will have (sort of) the opposite problem in New York.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Alistair said:

    Barnesian said:

    The Stephen Fisher analysis is intertesting. He has REMAIN on 58% after applying a +4.4% adjustment (half the average difference between online and phone polls).

    He believes that the polling error is very large and estimates that the standard deviation is 7%. If you look up a normal distribution table, you will find that this implies that REMAIN has an 87% chance of getting more than 50%, as he says.

    However if you disregard the +4.4% adjustment for the difference between polling methodologies, then REMAIN is on 53.6% (half a σ away from 50%), implying that the chance of REMAIN getting more than 50% is only 69%.

    This is exactly the same as the chance implied by the betting on Betfair. See above.

    In other words, the betting is ignoring the telephone polling and relying only on the online polls.
    Psychologically, I find I'm doing the same thing and concentrating only on the online polls.

    From a betting perspective, it is really important to understand the cause of the difference between the two polling methodologies (Fisher doesn't know so he goes half way).

    In the meantime, in the absence of that understanding and a crystal ball, REMAIN at a 69% chance must be a value bet.

    I agree that as things stand Remain is a value bet. The only thing stopping me piling on Remain is that I cannot produce a suitable forecast "Events" that I am happy with. I have not idea what chance any Event has of happening and I have no clue how soft the Remain vote is to Events.

    Without being able to price in Events I am staying away.
    Well the bad public reaction of the budget was an event.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
    For the Utah result it's best to look at the Idaho parts that are mormon heavy, mormons hate Trump along with the heavy christian fundamentalist areas in the great plains.

    Utah has 40 delegates so if Cruz is bellow 50% then Trump will get 4-6 delegates, I'm counting on him getting zero.
    Utah with three candidates under 50% is proportional.

    Unless you think Kasich is going to get 25%+ then Cruz<50% implies Trump>25% and therefore 10 or more delegates.
    Looking at the Idaho results in the counties that are mormon heavy, Trump took 15% on average, he will be lucky if he gets more than than in Utah.

    So for Cruz to stay bellow 50 in Utah, Kasich will have to split the mormon vote with him.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
    For the Utah result it's best to look at the Idaho parts that are mormon heavy, mormons hate Trump along with the heavy christian fundamentalist areas in the great plains.

    Utah has 40 delegates so if Cruz is bellow 50% then Trump will get 4-6 delegates, I'm counting on him getting zero.
    Utah with three candidates under 50% is proportional.

    Unless you think Kasich is going to get 25%+ then Cruz<50% implies Trump>25% and therefore 10 or more delegates.
    Cruz will have (sort of) the opposite problem in New York.
    Trump should be targeting 95/95 in NY and 120+ in California.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
    For the Utah result it's best to look at the Idaho parts that are mormon heavy, mormons hate Trump along with the heavy christian fundamentalist areas in the great plains.

    Utah has 40 delegates so if Cruz is bellow 50% then Trump will get 4-6 delegates, I'm counting on him getting zero.
    Utah with three candidates under 50% is proportional.

    Unless you think Kasich is going to get 25%+ then Cruz<50% implies Trump>25% and therefore 10 or more delegates.
    Looking at the Idaho results in the counties that are mormon heavy, Trump took 15% on average, he will be lucky if he gets more than than in Utah.

    So for Cruz to stay bellow 50 in Utah, Kasich will have to split the mormon vote with him.
    So you really think Kasich will get 35%? There's only one permissible conclusion to your analysis, that's Cruz on 60 to 70%.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Thanks, will factor that in my thinking.

    Pulpstar said:

    @Plato_Says Cruz seems to be quite popular once you get out past the rustbelt into the rural west of the USA. I'd expect him to carry Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska and Utah of the remaining states.

    I think Trump picks up again when you get nearer the coast, and is obviously stronger in the North east seaboard.

    Arizona and Maine are the exceptions that prove the rule.

    Kasich perhaps has a very vague hope of Pennsylvania, can't see it personally though.

    Trump could do with Cruz failing to get 50% in Utah, 49.9% would be, probably, twenty delegates better for Trump.
    For the Utah result it's best to look at the Idaho parts that are mormon heavy, mormons hate Trump along with the heavy christian fundamentalist areas in the great plains.

    Utah has 40 delegates so if Cruz is bellow 50% then Trump will get 4-6 delegates, I'm counting on him getting zero.
    Utah with three candidates under 50% is proportional.

    Unless you think Kasich is going to get 25%+ then Cruz<50% implies Trump>25% and therefore 10 or more delegates.
    Cruz will have (sort of) the opposite problem in New York.
    Trump should be targeting 95/95 in NY and 120+ in California.
    Well if Trump beats Cruz by 50 points in N.Y and by 60 points over Kasich as the latest poll suggests, he will have no problem getting all 95 delegates.

    As for Utah, indeed Kasich will need to split the mormon vote with Cruz to keep him under 50, a big task but he is trying with some endorsements and campaigning there.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Prime suspect in Paris attacks escapes police AGAIN: Salah Abdeslam's fingerprints found in raided flat after Brussels shootout
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Trump's targets for next week must be to win Arizona, and simply get more than zero delegates in Utah.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723

    scotslass said:

    SNP continue to prosper.

    As part of the United Kingdom, which is, I suspect, the bigger picture....

    But good to see Sturgeon is starting to argue that if Scots want free stuff they should pay for it.......isn't that a nice change?
    Lying Tory at it again , you use a different face depending on what you are commenting on. Surviving despite the best attempts of the Tories to beggar Scotland.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,723

    Tom Harris
    Why I've decided to run the Scottish campaign to @vote_leave @ScotsVoteLeave https://t.co/9685isx1Jt

    VoteLeave, GO, ScotsVoteLeave, - how many Leave campaigns will there be by 23rd June?
    Dear God, Harris could not run a bath.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    The young woman claimed she was assaulted by the disgraced children’s entertainer at a party at BBC Television Centre in 2004.

    Harris is said to have groped her breasts and thrust his crotch against her in a dimly lit room after the filming of a show.

    When the alleged victim complained, she said she was told that ‘Rolf Harris is a dirty old man’ and she should ‘get with the programme’.

    She was also told arrangements had been made to make sure women were not left in a room with him, it was claimed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3497254/Rolf-Harris-faces-eight-new-charges-molesting-women-girls-young-12.html

    Nobody knew anything...
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Pulpstar said:

    Trump's targets for next week must be to win Arizona, and simply get more than zero delegates in Utah.

    I would say Cruz has a 75% of getting 50% +. Three candidates only hurts Trump in this case.

    However if he can get 9 in Samoa, then that +6 will balance out Utah -9 vs 538 targets.

    Trump's bigger test will be Wisconsin.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943
    Things I've learned today: the American Known Nothing movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing

    Well worth a read.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    malcolmg said:

    Tom Harris
    Why I've decided to run the Scottish campaign to @vote_leave @ScotsVoteLeave https://t.co/9685isx1Jt

    VoteLeave, GO, ScotsVoteLeave, - how many Leave campaigns will there be by 23rd June?
    Dear God, Harris could not run a bath.
    Bless you my son – btw, I’m trying to keep a low profile…
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Can we recall Jade Dernbach?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    malcolmg said:

    Tom Harris
    Why I've decided to run the Scottish campaign to @vote_leave @ScotsVoteLeave https://t.co/9685isx1Jt

    VoteLeave, GO, ScotsVoteLeave, - how many Leave campaigns will there be by 23rd June?
    Dear God, Harris could not run a bath.
    Bit tetchy today. Looking forward to Nicola's tax rises?
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    My analysis of the results is leading me to the conclusion that alot of Democrats came out for Kasich in Ohio.

    Also Illinois will stay very safely Democrat at the General :)

    Indeed, I think around half a million, most of them Sanders voters.

    Sanders, by making the defeat of Trump the priority of his supporters, cost him victory in Illinois, Ohio and Missouri.
    The University of Missouri results are an example.
    North Carolina around Raleigh looked odd to me, even odder that they would vote Cruz as an anti Trump vote, I would have expected Rubio or Kasich to do better there but not Cruz. Something to take into account with Wisconsin being an open primary, although I expect Reagan Democrats will outnumber them. A Trump caucus goer said in Minnesota a bunch of college kids showed up and were noisily anti Trump who then voted for Rubio, he said normally it is just old folks like him going to these caucuses.

    People have to remember for next Tuesday Arizona is SW, unlike the Plains and Mountain West they aren't so offended by Trump's bombast and are a lot more tribal, settled by folks coming west from the Deep South and Appalachia. California and Arizona will be more like Nevada, Texas was just an anomaly as it was Cruz's home state.

    Kasich has no hope in PA, he barely won his own state. PA is Appalachia in the west and strongly influence by NY in the east, very strong state for Trump which will be relevant for the general.

    Utah only matters in the sense it is better to put it to bed sooner rather than later. Get your opponents to accept the inevitable etc.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    My heart bleeds

    Danny Shaw
    4 police officers arrested re Police Fed fraud allegations re "concerns about the transfer of around £1 million to a charitable account"

    http://www.surrey.police.uk/News/News-Stories/Full-news-story/Article/12543/Four-arrested-in-connection-with-allegation-of-potential-fraudulent-activity-re

    It was just resting in my account....
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