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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,516
    edited March 2016
    Polruan said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. K, is that a genuine quote? And, if so, how big is the Swedish Social Democrat Party?

    There was a school here, I can't remember which, with an eastern European majority. The migrant kids demanded the British ones bowed to them, and there are conflicting reports over whether there was a major incident or a minor scuffle.

    The quote is widely reported on the internet, although I don't know if it's authentic, or misreported.

    But, I did hear the Swedish Education Minister say (in the context of declining school standards, in schools with large numbers of asylum-seekers' children) "the problem is not them, it's us."

    One gets the impression that left-wing Swedish politicians actively hate their own voters.
    They are both embarrassed and ashamed by their native culture, ethnicity and privilege.

    The supreme belief of the modern Left is anti-racism.

    And what better way to signal the strength of your anti-racism than to invite in as many people as possible from the most different cultures possible?

    There are enough people who think the same and vote that way to give them a platform to power.
    The "supreme belief" of the Left is the same as it always has been - the abolition, or at least the minimization, of unmerited privilege. That might be religious - go back far enough and Catholics were denied the vote in Britain - or, more typically, economic (the privilege Labour was founded to counter) but nowadays it is also racial/cultural. A white skin is an unmerited privilege - and, yes, I look forward to the arguments here that it is either a right of some sort, or else in some way merited, whilst at the same time being an accident of birth. I shall deal with them :o:

    You think being White is an unmerited privilege that needs to be corrected?
    That elides some steps in the logic, which would be that our society continues to be structured in such a way that it confers privilege on those with white skin. It would be a bit difficult to argue that that privilege is merited, I'd have thought, but I'm sure it won't take long for someone to have a crack at it.

    I'm reasonably confident that the intended next step is to try and restructure society so that it no longer confers that privilege, rather than restructure skin colour.
    But there's a cadre on the Left that believe they are one and the same.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,516
    notme said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. K, is that a genuine quote? And, if so, how big is the Swedish Social Democrat Party?

    There was a school here, I can't remember which, with an eastern European majority. The migrant kids demanded the British ones bowed to them, and there are conflicting reports over whether there was a major incident or a minor scuffle.

    The quote is widely reported on the internet, although I don't know if it's authentic, or misreported.

    But, I did hear the Swedish Education Minister say (in the context of declining school standards, in schools with large numbers of asylum-seekers' children) "the problem is not them, it's us."

    One gets the impression that left-wing Swedish politicians actively hate their own voters.
    They are both embarrassed and ashamed by their native culture, ethnicity and privilege.

    The supreme belief of the modern Left is anti-racism.

    And what better way to signal the strength of your anti-racism than to invite in as many people as possible from the most different cultures possible?

    There are enough people who think the same and vote that way to give them a platform to power.
    The "supreme belief" of the Left is the same as it always has been - the abolition, or at least the minimization, of unmerited privilege. That might be religious - go back far enough and Catholics were denied the vote in Britain - or, more typically, economic (the privilege Labour was founded to counter) but nowadays it is also racial/cultural. A white skin is an unmerited privilege - and, yes, I look forward to the arguments here that it is either a right of some sort, or else in some way merited, whilst at the same time being an accident of birth. I shall deal with them :o:

    You think being White is an unmerited privilege that needs to be corrected?
    That is the core foundation of multiculturalism. The dominant/host culture is privileged and it is necessary for legal and state sponsored corrective actions to change this. Ultimately the only way to break the power of the host, is to reduce its influence and dominance by adding more diversity.
    Yes, I think that's right.
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    Polruan said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. K, is that a genuine quote? And, if so, how big is the Swedish Social Democrat Party?

    There was a school here, I can't remember which, with an eastern European majority. The migrant kids demanded the British ones bowed to them, and there are conflicting reports over whether there was a major incident or a minor scuffle.

    The quote is widely reported on the internet, although I don't know if it's authentic, or misreported.

    But, I did hear the Swedish Education Minister say (in the context of declining school standards, in schools with large numbers of asylum-seekers' children) "the problem is not them, it's us."

    One gets the impression that left-wing Swedish politicians actively hate their own voters.
    They are both embarrassed and ashamed by their native culture, ethnicity and privilege.

    The supreme belief of the modern Left is anti-racism.

    And what better way to signal the strength of your anti-racism than to invite in as many people as possible from the most different cultures possible?

    There are enough people who think the same and vote that way to give them a platform to power.
    The "supreme belief" of the Left is the same as it always has been - the abolition, or at least the minimization, of unmerited privilege. That might be religious - go back far enough and Catholics were denied the vote in Britain - or, more typically, economic (the privilege Labour was founded to counter) but nowadays it is also racial/cultural. A white skin is an unmerited privilege - and, yes, I look forward to the arguments here that it is either a right of some sort, or else in some way merited, whilst at the same time being an accident of birth. I shall deal with them :o:

    You think being White is an unmerited privilege that needs to be corrected?
    That elides some steps in the logic, which would be that our society continues to be structured in such a way that it confers privilege on those with white skin. It would be a bit difficult to argue that that privilege is merited, I'd have thought, but I'm sure it won't take long for someone to have a crack at it.

    I'm reasonably confident that the intended next step is to try and restructure society so that it no longer confers that privilege, rather than restructure skin colour.
    But there's a cadre on the Left that believe they are one and the same.
    There are plenty of idiots on the Left!

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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Polruan said:

    Sean_F said:

    Mr. K, is that a genuine quote? And, if so, how big is the Swedish Social Democrat Party?

    The quote is widely reported on the internet, although I don't know if it's authentic, or misreported.

    But, I did hear the Swedish Education Minister say (in the context of declining school standards, in schools with large numbers of asylum-seekers' children) "the problem is not them, it's us."

    One gets the impression that left-wing Swedish politicians actively hate their own voters.
    They are both embarrassed and ashamed by their native culture, ethnicity and privilege.

    The supreme belief of the modern Left is anti-racism.

    And what better way to signal the strength of your anti-racism than to invite in as many people as possible from the most different cultures possible?

    There are enough people who think the same and vote that way to give them a platform to power.
    The "supreme belief" of the Left is the same as it always has been - the abolition, or at least the minimization, of unmerited privilege. That might be religious - go back far enough and Catholics were denied the vote in Britain - or, more typically, economic (the privilege Labour was founded to counter) but nowadays it is also racial/cultural. A white skin is an unmerited privilege - and, yes, I look forward to the arguments here that it is either a right of some sort, or else in some way merited, whilst at the same time being an accident of birth. I shall deal with them :o:

    You think being White is an unmerited privilege that needs to be corrected?
    That elides some steps in the logic, which would be that our society continues to be structured in such a way that it confers privilege on those with white skin. It would be a bit difficult to argue that that privilege is merited, I'd have thought, but I'm sure it won't take long for someone to have a crack at it.

    I'm reasonably confident that the intended next step is to try and restructure society so that it no longer confers that privilege, rather than restructure skin colour.
    But there's a cadre on the Left that believe they are one and the same.
    There's a sizeable cadre of people who believe stupid shit within every faction of the political discourse, but I think you'd struggle to find many who insisted that white skin was an a priori privilege irrelevant of context. I don't see how one could construct a concept of privilege that can exist outside societal frameworks.
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