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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2016
    AndyJS said:

    ORB: with likelihood to vote it's 46% Remain, 54% Leave.

    Throwing the whole machinery of government behind Remain and making up scare stories about refugee camps in Kent doesn't seem to be working. What next?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,245

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Speedy said:

    I'm looking at the 538 delegate tracker to see how losing Ohio impacts Trump.

    To make up for the shortfall of the 66 Ohio delegates, Trump has to get more than 60% in N.Carolina + all of N.Mariana Islands delegates+ all of Missouri delegates+ all of Illinois delegates. An impossible task.

    At present course he is going to come tomorrow out around 50 delegates short and he only has a 16 delegate margin.

    So he will start to fall behind his targets for 1237 delegates, and that will only grow for the next month since he won't win any delegates from Utah, Colorado and N.Dakota.
    By April 16th Trump will be around 60 delegates short of his targets for a majority, he will need to make up that difference by winning almost all congressional districts in N.Y and Pennsylvania.

    Failing that, his next chance will the last primary on June 7th in California, last poll there has Trump leading by 16:

    http://capoliticalreviewcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/16-CA-GOP-Presidential-Primary-Poll-March.pdf

    Trump will face a difficult month from now till April 19th when N.Y. votes.

    CBS and Quinnipiac latest polls have a dead heat, but Kasich ahead in 4 others - agree it seems a tall order for Trump on the face of it.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Tim Montgomerie ن ‏@montie
    Telegraph's #Brexit poll: Remain on 47%, Leave on 48% but Leave ahead by 52% to 44%, adjusted for likelihood to vote http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12193963/EU-referendum-Exclusive-Telegraph-poll-says-Leave-campaign-most-likely-to-win-in-June.html
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Speedy said:

    I'm looking at the 538 delegate tracker to see how losing Ohio impacts Trump.

    To make up for the shortfall of the 66 Ohio delegates, Trump has to get more than 60% in N.Carolina + all of N.Mariana Islands delegates+ all of Missouri delegates+ all of Illinois delegates. An impossible task.

    At present course he is going to come tomorrow out around 50 delegates short and he only has a 16 delegate margin.

    So he will start to fall behind his targets for 1237 delegates, and that will only grow for the next month since he won't win any delegates from Utah, Colorado and N.Dakota.
    By April 16th Trump will be around 60 delegates short of his targets for a majority, he will need to make up that difference by winning almost all congressional districts in N.Y and Pennsylvania.

    Failing that, his next chance will the last primary on June 7th in California, last poll there has Trump leading by 16:

    http://capoliticalreviewcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/16-CA-GOP-Presidential-Primary-Poll-March.pdf

    Trump will face a difficult month from now till April 19th when N.Y. votes.

    He's got more delegates than the 538 numbers suggest. Guam, VI, and Louisiana all have delegates not yet pledged.

    A win in Illinois would be sufficient damage limitation for Trump, since Rubio will drop out or become irrelevant thereafter.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Willing buyer, willing seller. The fundamental principle of the capitalist system.

    Would people rent AirBnB Properties if they knew they were being rented illegally and that the landlord may not have public liability insurance?
    I have not rented through AirBnB but have a friend who rents out part of his property and is generally very pleased. It is an architectural gem so tends to attract people interested in the architecture.

    What I would be concerned about is (a) getting what is promised; (b) the flat is safe i.e. no dodgy boilers, fire hazards etc. I quite like hotels and don't really want the bother of having to keep house in any way when on holiday - I do quite enough of that at home - but each to their own.

    I would not rent out my own home to strangers.

    Still, this seems to me to be a trivial issue for London. Housing for Londoners is of far more importance than the choice of accommodation available to tourists.

    I have a feeling some of these things will end in tears, AirBnB, Uber, peer lending.

    Or maybe I'm just old.
    Peer to peer lending has already been warned about. It is likely that any new development will lead to good and bad stuff happening. New ways of using assets and using technology strikes me, on the whole, as a good thing. It's the whole moral self-righteous guff that goes with it that is so nauseating, as well as the hypocrisy. Tech barons are as good at sweating their assets, whether this be people, techie stuff or consumers' data as any red-in-tooth-and-claw 19th century railway baron.

    P2P is fine, so long as you know it's NOT FSA guaranteed. Diversification is key.
    Wellesley gives a very low rate for commercial bridging loans mind, ~ 7% whereas you should be able to get 12%+ on stuff like that. Whether their target market of pensioners watching daytime TV realises this is another matter.
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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    rcs1000 said:

    Dixie said:

    A vote for Khan is a vote for massive increases in Council tax precept - 153% under Ken, and Unions with an office in City hall. That's what Khan has said. We will be goners. Vote blue for a boring life at least.

    I'm not voting for the least worst option. If you are not in favour of Heathrow expansion and Uber, then - as far as I am concerned - you are not worthy of my vote.
    Zac is not anti-Uber. He is pro-choice in cabs. He backs black cabs but it clear that technology will always be a part of the Cab market from now on. Being anti-Heathrow is not anti-busienss. ON teh contrary. Heathrow is a legal monopoly, plus 40% share, it causes pollution (breaks legal limits), congestion and noise. and it wants £7 B from tax payers. Gatwick is not a monopoly, is closer to the City, wants no cash. Zac is likely to freeze council tax. Khan will have to raise it to pay for his pledges.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,987
    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

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    DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    AndyJS said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB
    ORB online reporting that LEAVE 8% ahead when likelihood to vote taken into account. 1% when it isn't

    That's what happens when you run a negative campaign based on fear. (Personally I still haven't decided which way to vote).
    Apparently the sky will fall in if we leave! The 1,000 year old city of London will disintegrate. There were no banks at all in UK before UK were in EU! Actually 50,000 bankers claim they will leave. I think that is incentive enough! Vote freedom
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,245

    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

    I'm not sure. I think it'll be north of 60%, even if it is short of the GE
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016

    RodCrosby said:
    Anglophobia reemerging after very long dormancy in US politics.
    Do you blame them?

    Anyhow here's the man arriving in OH...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46g1xklBsz0
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,301
    There's a bizarre moment in this press conference where Rubio seems to break character around the 1:50 mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztdzg5kssXk
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    weejonnie said:

    Looks like there is a poll by ORB which has Leave ahead

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/709496233090551808

    Guess which paper won't be shown on Sky and BBC press review - starting now.
    Featured on Sky
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

    I'm not sure. I think it'll be north of 60%, even if it is short of the GE
    Yeah, it'll probably be between 60% and the general election turnout of 65%. I went for 62% in the prediction competition.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016

    Speedy said:

    I'm looking at the 538 delegate tracker to see how losing Ohio impacts Trump.

    To make up for the shortfall of the 66 Ohio delegates, Trump has to get more than 60% in N.Carolina + all of N.Mariana Islands delegates+ all of Missouri delegates+ all of Illinois delegates. An impossible task.

    At present course he is going to come tomorrow out around 50 delegates short and he only has a 16 delegate margin.

    So he will start to fall behind his targets for 1237 delegates, and that will only grow for the next month since he won't win any delegates from Utah, Colorado and N.Dakota.
    By April 16th Trump will be around 60 delegates short of his targets for a majority, he will need to make up that difference by winning almost all congressional districts in N.Y and Pennsylvania.

    Failing that, his next chance will the last primary on June 7th in California, last poll there has Trump leading by 16:

    http://capoliticalreviewcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/16-CA-GOP-Presidential-Primary-Poll-March.pdf

    Trump will face a difficult month from now till April 19th when N.Y. votes.

    He's got more delegates than the 538 numbers suggest. Guam, VI, and Louisiana all have delegates not yet pledged.

    A win in Illinois would be sufficient damage limitation for Trump, since Rubio will drop out or become irrelevant thereafter.
    You see that absent a Trump victory in Ohio, it will become a race for congressional districts rather than states.

    There is enough margin for the anti-Trump's to keep the primary race on forever, morale wise April 26th is the last chance for Trump to win all states that vote on a single day.
    Kasich is a far more dangerous rival than Rubio for Trump, in places where Cruz can't fight Kasich can, so Trump is in a danger of fighting a 2 front war.
    Don't forget their battle is to stop Trump, not electing Cruz or Kasich.

    Also don't forget, the longer the GOP primary goes on the greater the damage to the GOP short and long term, I have never seen a political party hating it's own voters so much.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    "We had a party that was obsolete. Mitt Romney couldn't run for dog-catcher..."
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,301
    Trump: "We had a party that was obsolete. Mitt Romney couldn't run for dog-catcher. I backed McCain and he lost; I backed Romney and he lost. This time we've got to do it ourselves."
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    "He holds up the bible and starts lying, lyin' Ted" that line just totally cracks me up for some reason.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Snake moment?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    "He holds up the bible and starts lying, lyin' Ted" that line just totally cracks me up for some reason.

    Because we have many hypocrites here, who claim to be very religious and then they do something counter to their religion.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    Snake moment?

    That poem is terrible for Trump, he should choose another poem.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,301
    "Almost everyone in the audience is smarter than the people running the country."

    Flattering the voters never hurts.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
    Depends what it's made of. Tacos?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    edited March 2016
    Here it comes

    Poet Trump "The snake !"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULx9k2QkL94
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited March 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Height or length? :relaxed:
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Here it comes

    Poet Trump "The snake !"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULx9k2QkL94

    Does he realize that poem could be about him ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
    Migrant labour?
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
    Migrant labour?
    Chain gangs?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
    The figure is actually accurate:

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380

    And in today's tale of happy integration into Europe....

    A 16-year-old refugee is accused of luring a young Austrian woman into a house, forcing her into a basement and attempting to rape her.

    The Libyan teenager is being held by police after the 18-year-old woman was rescued from a cellar in Vienna.

    A second, older woman, 20, managed to tear herself away from her attacker on Saturday and alerted police.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3491793/Libyan-migrant-16-forced-young-Austrian-woman-basement-tried-rape-her.html

    Not excusing the crime, but it's a bit pathetic when a single crime anywhere in Europe is a big story in the Mail if it involves a migrant.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
    Five million dollars a mile.

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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Height or length? :relaxed:
    Depth.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2016
    Saxony Anhalt polls before the election, AfD support: 18%, 18%, 19%, 17%, 17%. They polled 24.2%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxony-Anhalt_state_election,_2016#Polls
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

    I'm not sure. I think it'll be north of 60%, even if it is short of the GE
    Yeah, it'll probably be between 60% and the general election turnout of 65%. I went for 62% in the prediction competition.
    I think it will be 55%. I have yet to see much interest in the referendum. Maybe it will pick up closer to the big day.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
    Five million dollars a mile.

    I believe although the border is 2000 miles, for a variety of reasons, they only need to build for half that.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Height or length? :relaxed:
    Depth.
    Girth.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Snake moment?

    That poem is terrible for Trump, he should choose another poem.
    Nothing is terrible for Trump. The more bizarre he acts, the more votes he gets. He's earning trust all the way.

    People can't believe there has ever been a politician like this in the history of the world.

    Well almost.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Trump conceding to Lincoln
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    Trump had a moment of humility just then, said he can't be as presidential as Abraham Lincoln was.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,301
    Wanderer said:

    Trump conceding to Lincoln

    Honest Abe. :)
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    NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

    I'm not sure. I think it'll be north of 60%, even if it is short of the GE
    Yeah, it'll probably be between 60% and the general election turnout of 65%. I went for 62% in the prediction competition.
    I think it will be 55%. I have yet to see much interest in the referendum. Maybe it will pick up closer to the big day.
    I think it will be 70%+ and Remain will win clearly as a result. When the campaign starts proper it will be everywhere. I just hope Remain don't get above 60%. If only a 10% swing is needed to change result, it can't be interpreted as settled will of people.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

    I'm not sure. I think it'll be north of 60%, even if it is short of the GE
    Yeah, it'll probably be between 60% and the general election turnout of 65%. I went for 62% in the prediction competition.
    I think it will be 55%. I have yet to see much interest in the referendum. Maybe it will pick up closer to the big day.
    I also agree that turnout will be around 50.
    It will be higher than the AV one but lower than the GE.

    Goodnight.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    edited March 2016

    Wanderer said:

    Trump conceding to Lincoln

    Honest Abe. :)
    Note the unwritten comparison to 'Lyin' Ted' :blush:
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    I believe although the border is 2000 miles, for a variety of reasons, they only need to build for half that.

    They've already built a fence for a third of the length of the border. It's odd that Trump is seen as a loon for proposing to do the same thing, but more thoroughly.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    He's doing great mind-games with temporal shifts, talking as if he already is the President, and taking the audience into his confidence about what he would do/is doing.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    edited March 2016

    I believe although the border is 2000 miles, for a variety of reasons, they only need to build for half that.

    They've already built a fence for a third of the length of the border. It's odd that Trump is seen as a loon for proposing to do the same thing, but more thoroughly.
    I think it is the soundbite claim he will get Mexico to pay for it as much as anything. Several of the GOP candidates back a boundary fence/ wall.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    I believe although the border is 2000 miles, for a variety of reasons, they only need to build for half that.

    They've already built a fence for a third of the length of the border. It's odd that Trump is seen as a loon for proposing to do the same thing, but more thoroughly.
    I think it is the soundbite claim he will get Mexico to pay for it as much as anything.
    Yeah, that is pretty loony. He'd have done better to say he'd finance it by taxing speaking fees paid by Goldman Sachs.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    AndyJS said:

    Saxony Anhalt polls before the election, AfD support: 18%, 18%, 19%, 17%, 17%. They polled 24.2%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxony-Anhalt_state_election,_2016#Polls

    Shy voter syndrome at work there.

    Well 2 1000pi day cycles since the formation of the Euro on 1st January 1999 passed today. And it does seem remarkably that the US dollar is putting some foundation waves in to move higher right on track. And its also pi day to boot - 3/14 (14th March). The real turning point is I think that investors will finally being to lose faith that ever lower interest rates are going to revive the global economy. Not before time.........but irreparable damage has already been done to many pension schemes as a result. And Mr Osborne's plan to reward the poor saving is a classic Brownian response to a perceived problem - if he had any sense he would just reduce the tax on savings without any of the nonsense gimmickery which has become a hallmark of Mr Osborne in recent years, just as I suspect it will on Wednesday too.

    Happy pi day everyone!
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited March 2016
    hunchman said:

    AndyJS said:

    Saxony Anhalt polls before the election, AfD support: 18%, 18%, 19%, 17%, 17%. They polled 24.2%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxony-Anhalt_state_election,_2016#Polls

    Shy voter syndrome at work there.

    Well 2 1000pi day cycles since the formation of the Euro on 1st January 1999 passed today. And it does seem remarkably that the US dollar is putting some foundation waves in to move higher right on track. And its also pi day to boot - 3/14 (14th March). The real turning point is I think that investors will finally being to lose faith that ever lower interest rates are going to revive the global economy. Not before time.........but irreparable damage has already been done to many pension schemes as a result. And Mr Osborne's plan to reward the poor saving is a classic Brownian response to a perceived problem - if he had any sense he would just reduce the tax on savings without any of the nonsense gimmickery which has become a hallmark of Mr Osborne in recent years, just as I suspect it will on Wednesday too.

    Happy pi day everyone!
    Is that a fancy way of admitting that the S+P500 is up 6.68% in the last month?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,233
    edited March 2016
    Speedy said:

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

    I'm not sure. I think it'll be north of 60%, even if it is short of the GE
    Yeah, it'll probably be between 60% and the general election turnout of 65%. I went for 62% in the prediction competition.
    I think it will be 55%. I have yet to see much interest in the referendum. Maybe it will pick up closer to the big day.
    I also agree that turnout will be around 50.
    It will be higher than the AV one but lower than the GE.

    Goodnight.
    Turnout will be at least 65%, coverage will be wall to wall from late May, the key for Remain is undecideds, Leave lead with the decideds at the moment
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    And in today's tale of happy integration into Europe....

    A 16-year-old refugee is accused of luring a young Austrian woman into a house, forcing her into a basement and attempting to rape her.

    The Libyan teenager is being held by police after the 18-year-old woman was rescued from a cellar in Vienna.

    A second, older woman, 20, managed to tear herself away from her attacker on Saturday and alerted police.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3491793/Libyan-migrant-16-forced-young-Austrian-woman-basement-tried-rape-her.html

    Not excusing the crime, but it's a bit pathetic when a single crime anywhere in Europe is a big story in the Mail if it involves a migrant.
    The Mail are on a Brexit crusade
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    Is tommorow the day George admits he's lost the £20 billion the OBR found down the back of the sofa in November for him.
    Objectively he's probably a decent bet for next PM I'm not topping up though.
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    LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467

    I believe although the border is 2000 miles, for a variety of reasons, they only need to build for half that.

    They've already built a fence for a third of the length of the border. It's odd that Trump is seen as a loon for proposing to do the same thing, but more thoroughly.
    I think it is the soundbite claim he will get Mexico to pay for it as much as anything. Several of the GOP candidates back a boundary fence/ wall.
    Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

    All written up by Kris Kobach, so very legal. It is just what national leaders who look after their own country's interests first do. The US has huge clout with countries with big trade surpluses, smart to use that clout.
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    LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    MP_SE said:

    AndyJS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    This, of course, explains Project Fear

    PF is all about getting the 51% who aren't engaged, and therefore think the EU is probably OK, out to vote.

    It'll fail. People aren't interested. This is not the Scottish independence referendum. I expect turnout will be well below GE levels.

    I'm not sure. I think it'll be north of 60%, even if it is short of the GE
    Yeah, it'll probably be between 60% and the general election turnout of 65%. I went for 62% in the prediction competition.
    I think it will be 55%. I have yet to see much interest in the referendum. Maybe it will pick up closer to the big day.
    I also agree that turnout will be around 50.
    It will be higher than the AV one but lower than the GE.

    Goodnight.
    Turnout will be at least 65%, coverage will be wall to wall from late May, the key for Remain is undecideds, Leave lead with the decideds at the moment
    Leave will win in my opinion, expect a swing to leave in the closing stages as the patriotic juices start to flow.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    hunchman said:

    AndyJS said:

    Saxony Anhalt polls before the election, AfD support: 18%, 18%, 19%, 17%, 17%. They polled 24.2%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxony-Anhalt_state_election,_2016#Polls

    Shy voter syndrome at work there.

    Well 2 1000pi day cycles since the formation of the Euro on 1st January 1999 passed today. And it does seem remarkably that the US dollar is putting some foundation waves in to move higher right on track. And its also pi day to boot - 3/14 (14th March). The real turning point is I think that investors will finally being to lose faith that ever lower interest rates are going to revive the global economy. Not before time.........but irreparable damage has already been done to many pension schemes as a result. And Mr Osborne's plan to reward the poor saving is a classic Brownian response to a perceived problem - if he had any sense he would just reduce the tax on savings without any of the nonsense gimmickery which has become a hallmark of Mr Osborne in recent years, just as I suspect it will on Wednesday too.

    Happy pi day everyone!
    Is that a fancy way of admitting that the S+P500 is up 6.68% in the last month?
    No market goes in a straight line ever - I'm pleased to see a short term high here. We should start moving lower again this week, but it is still overall a correction. Once capital sniffs out in a big way that it is government that is in big trouble, with retail participation in stocks currently pretty low, the US stockmarket as a whole will move to the upside, to the astonishment of a lot of people. But that shouldn't be a surprise once capital really begins to move out of the sovereign bond market - its all interlinked.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Pulpstar said:

    Is tommorow the day George admits he's lost the £20 billion the OBR found down the back of the sofa in November for him.
    Objectively he's probably a decent bet for next PM I'm not topping up though.

    Well that lasted a long time didn't it. The cycle turned down at the start of October last year. It turns up again in January 2020. Its quite clear that the OBR and Mr Osborne were oblivious to that with their £20bn nonsense!

    Good night all.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    edited March 2016
    Cyclefree said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Dixie said:

    rcs1000 said:


    He is anti-Uber and anti-Heathrow expansion. How much more anti-business would you like?
    There's nothing anti-business in believing minimum safety standards and pollution limits should be met.
    ...
    I've got no problem with different fare limits and ratios. What I object to is Uber pretending its drivers are not really employees when they limit them from taking fares outside their system....
    Yes, Uber in London is just a mini-cab company with a nice app. Uber in othe parts of the world is more ethically dubious.

    AirBnB are full on scumbags.
    Yes, how utterly despicable to help people rent out their homes.
    AirBnB is reliant on facilitating breaking the law to make their living, they encourage it and try to cover up the evidence.

    Only a fraction of their business is made from their advertisment-style renting out a room to adventurous travellers. The vast majority of their business comes from whole property lets, mostly from people breaking their lease or zoning laws or both. The state of the liability insurance they offer is also incredibly dubious.

    EDIT: I work at the intersection of the tech and travel industry so this isn't some techno-luddite view.
    Willing buyer, willing seller. The fundamental principle of the capitalist system.
    Indeed.

    Tech is helping the consumer overcome the (often restrictive) regulation that vested interests have encouraged lawmakers to pass since WW2.
    Don't you think that tech companies are themselves turning into vested interests seeking to get laws passed to help them at the expense of others?

    Tech is useful but tech companies - whatever PR guff they come out with - are not altruistic charities. They are in it for themselves and only themselves.
    A good point, and of course I expect they are or will be eventually...

    But, at the same time, public opinion and the threat of negative publicity matters so much more for tech companies. Pleasing consumers is more important for tech companies than regulation of the wider marketplace.

    That said, when it comes to accounting set ups and tax affairs, I'm not sure the consumer is that interested. Maybe he will prove to be in the long term...

    Perhaps such issues will become more nationalistic in an age of globalisation?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    The Liberal Democrats are to offer local associations the chance to use "all-disabled shortlists" to select candidates to stand in elections.
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    LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    I'm looking at the 538 delegate tracker to see how losing Ohio impacts Trump.

    To make up for the shortfall of the 66 Ohio delegates, Trump has to get more than 60% in N.Carolina + all of N.Mariana Islands delegates+ all of Missouri delegates+ all of Illinois delegates. An impossible task.

    At present course he is going to come tomorrow out around 50 delegates short and he only has a 16 delegate margin.

    So he will start to fall behind his targets for 1237 delegates, and that will only grow for the next month since he won't win any delegates from Utah, Colorado and N.Dakota.
    By April 16th Trump will be around 60 delegates short of his targets for a majority, he will need to make up that difference by winning almost all congressional districts in N.Y and Pennsylvania.

    Failing that, his next chance will the last primary on June 7th in California, last poll there has Trump leading by 16:

    http://capoliticalreviewcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/16-CA-GOP-Presidential-Primary-Poll-March.pdf

    Trump will face a difficult month from now till April 19th when N.Y. votes.

    He's got more delegates than the 538 numbers suggest. Guam, VI, and Louisiana all have delegates not yet pledged.

    A win in Illinois would be sufficient damage limitation for Trump, since Rubio will drop out or become irrelevant thereafter.
    You see that absent a Trump victory in Ohio, it will become a race for congressional districts rather than states.

    There is enough margin for the anti-Trump's to keep the primary race on forever, morale wise April 26th is the last chance for Trump to win all states that vote on a single day.
    Kasich is a far more dangerous rival than Rubio for Trump, in places where Cruz can't fight Kasich can, so Trump is in a danger of fighting a 2 front war.
    Don't forget their battle is to stop Trump, not electing Cruz or Kasich.

    Also don't forget, the longer the GOP primary goes on the greater the damage to the GOP short and long term, I have never seen a political party hating it's own voters so much.
    Most of the GOP is beginning to coalesce around Trump, don't allow the talking heads to distract from that. Trump's favourables, polling numbers and acceptance of his eventual nomination continue to rise. He has a fair number of endorsements now too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

    Besides Trump will win Arizona and get a few delegates in Utah, not everyone there is Mormon, before NY. NY I expect him to get well over 50% and likely plus 60%.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    The Liberal Democrats are to offer local associations the chance to use "all-disabled shortlists" to select candidates to stand in elections.

    Could they be any more disabled than they already are?
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    Just in case this wasn't already posted
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIhGgrhQeE
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,036
    Interestingly Trump has received the blessing of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Torres of Northern Marianas - which should add a few delegates (I think)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    edited March 2016
    The cosmetics company Avon plans to move its headquarters to Britain and cut 2,500 jobs worldwide as part of a turnaround plan.

    The company, which has been struggling with its US sales, said that it would move from New York to the UK "over time".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35808678

    I am sure this tit bit of news won't be missed by Osborne....or Trump...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    Pulpstar said:
    Would a huge announcement being that he wasn't endorsing Trump ;-) ....Regardless of what side you are on, I hope they keep him away from doing the weird art house stuff...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,301

    The cosmetics company Avon plans to move its headquarters to Britain and cut 2,500 jobs worldwide as part of a turnaround plan.

    The company, which has been struggling with its US sales, said that it would move from New York to the UK "over time".

    Good news for Northampton.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    ICM = titter....

    Howay the lads...

    Really ? I thought ICM was supposed to be the Gold Standard!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    justin124 said:

    ICM = titter....

    Howay the lads...

    Really ? I thought ICM was supposed to be the Gold Standard!
    In this case even ICM are saying erhh well maybe not.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    And in today's tale of happy integration into Europe....

    A 16-year-old refugee is accused of luring a young Austrian woman into a house, forcing her into a basement and attempting to rape her.

    The Libyan teenager is being held by police after the 18-year-old woman was rescued from a cellar in Vienna.

    A second, older woman, 20, managed to tear herself away from her attacker on Saturday and alerted police.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3491793/Libyan-migrant-16-forced-young-Austrian-woman-basement-tried-rape-her.html

    Not excusing the crime, but it's a bit pathetic when a single crime anywhere in Europe is a big story in the Mail if it involves a migrant.
    But there are many reports of this type every day, it isn't a one off.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    justin124 said:

    ICM = titter....

    Howay the lads...

    Really ? I thought ICM was supposed to be the Gold Standard!
    ICM Phone is the Gold Standard. Was this Phone or Online?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    Telegraph seems to be missing...Is there something good on the front page?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-35808459
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106
    SMukesh said:

    Blue on blue having an effect?

    ICM poll not worthy of own thread!!!

    It should, but even if it proves a novelty one off. Though i recall before his election people saying even Corbyn would get a lead at spome point
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,106

    As one of the few on here who has predicted a Leave win, I reckon Lynton Crosby is spot on. It's what I've thought for ages: Leavers are far more motivated to go out and vote. No-one outside the LibDems is positively fond of the EU. At least six or seven million hate it.

    Yep. The status quo has mostly lukewarm support, reducing its influence. Is it enough? Coukd be, I hope
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    The Liberal Democrats are to offer local associations the chance to use "all-disabled shortlists" to select candidates to stand in elections.

    Probably paraphiliacs.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    ICM = titter....

    Howay the lads...

    Really ? I thought ICM was supposed to be the Gold Standard!
    ICM Phone is the Gold Standard. Was this Phone or Online?
    I believe that Guardian ICM are normally phone polls.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    Oh god they let her out the box again...

    Sarah Palin makes surprise Trump rally appearance

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35806377
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    ICM = PB Tories 4 Corbyn Rejoice!
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    ICM = titter....

    Howay the lads...

    Really ? I thought ICM was supposed to be the Gold Standard!
    ICM Phone is the Gold Standard. Was this Phone or Online?
    I believe that Guardian ICM are normally phone polls.
    Why are they not doing Euro referendum supplementaries then? It's irritating that we've got only online ICM for that rather than a phone poll, even if it is rogue.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,623
    EPG said:

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP Daniel Hannan Retweeted Ryan Coetzee
    Ladies and gentlemen, the chief strategist at the remain campaign...

    Ryan Coetzee @RyanCoetzee
    @DanHannanMEP Your tweet is racist, bluntly. And I am not some sort of #mustfall lefty, Dan. But it really is.

    All because of this tweet ?

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP
    Today is #CommonwealthDay - a day to celebrate the family of English-speaking nations who have fought together for freedom

    Is India an English-speaking nation?
    Never mind, if someone calls it racist then PB Comments will be for it
    English and Hindi are the two main official languages, along with twenty-or so regional ones.

    There's also this map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#/media/File:Anglospeak.svg
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    EPG said:

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP Daniel Hannan Retweeted Ryan Coetzee
    Ladies and gentlemen, the chief strategist at the remain campaign...

    Ryan Coetzee @RyanCoetzee
    @DanHannanMEP Your tweet is racist, bluntly. And I am not some sort of #mustfall lefty, Dan. But it really is.

    All because of this tweet ?

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP
    Today is #CommonwealthDay - a day to celebrate the family of English-speaking nations who have fought together for freedom

    Is India an English-speaking nation?
    Never mind, if someone calls it racist then PB Comments will be for it
    English and Hindi are the two main official languages, along with twenty-or so regional ones.

    There's also this map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#/media/File:Anglospeak.svg
    What percentage of the Indian population speaks Hindi fluently?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Telegraph seems to be missing...Is there something good on the front page?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-35808459

    Telegraph is there now; does not seem to be anything remarkable. Brexit has edge; Crosby joins Telegraph; big horsey pic for Cheltenham.

    The Guardian is morphing into the Mail with details of Tony Blair's property portfolio.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Telegraph seems to be missing...Is there something good on the front page?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-35808459

    Telegraph front page was posted earlier in this thread.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited March 2016

    EPG said:

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP Daniel Hannan Retweeted Ryan Coetzee
    Ladies and gentlemen, the chief strategist at the remain campaign...

    Ryan Coetzee @RyanCoetzee
    @DanHannanMEP Your tweet is racist, bluntly. And I am not some sort of #mustfall lefty, Dan. But it really is.

    All because of this tweet ?

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP
    Today is #CommonwealthDay - a day to celebrate the family of English-speaking nations who have fought together for freedom

    Is India an English-speaking nation?
    Never mind, if someone calls it racist then PB Comments will be for it
    English and Hindi are the two main official languages, along with twenty-or so regional ones.

    There's also this map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#/media/File:Anglospeak.svg
    Racism is thrown about to cheaply in some cases and the Dan Hannan tweet for me is one of them.

    I posted this before but it seems it need's repeating for some PC clown's -

    When you get your windows smashed in with a red house bricks and your called white bast*rds,that's racism and this happened to me and my family.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,623
    AndyJS said:

    EPG said:

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP Daniel Hannan Retweeted Ryan Coetzee
    Ladies and gentlemen, the chief strategist at the remain campaign...

    Ryan Coetzee @RyanCoetzee
    @DanHannanMEP Your tweet is racist, bluntly. And I am not some sort of #mustfall lefty, Dan. But it really is.

    All because of this tweet ?

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP
    Today is #CommonwealthDay - a day to celebrate the family of English-speaking nations who have fought together for freedom

    Is India an English-speaking nation?
    Never mind, if someone calls it racist then PB Comments will be for it
    English and Hindi are the two main official languages, along with twenty-or so regional ones.

    There's also this map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#/media/File:Anglospeak.svg
    What percentage of the Indian population speaks Hindi fluently?
    2011 Census data hasn't been released yet, but in 2001 it was 422 million out of 1,029 million, or 41%.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2016
    Average of 8 polls since Cameron named the date gives Remain a lead of 0.25%. Would be equal to about 75,000 votes assuming a 30 million turnout.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    Is the Führer not doing any more events today?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    EPG said:

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP Daniel Hannan Retweeted Ryan Coetzee
    Ladies and gentlemen, the chief strategist at the remain campaign...

    Ryan Coetzee @RyanCoetzee
    @DanHannanMEP Your tweet is racist, bluntly. And I am not some sort of #mustfall lefty, Dan. But it really is.

    All because of this tweet ?

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP
    Today is #CommonwealthDay - a day to celebrate the family of English-speaking nations who have fought together for freedom

    Is India an English-speaking nation?
    Never mind, if someone calls it racist then PB Comments will be for it
    English and Hindi are the two main official languages, along with twenty-or so regional ones.

    There's also this map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#/media/File:Anglospeak.svg
    What percentage of the Indian population speaks Hindi fluently?
    2011 Census data hasn't been released yet, but in 2001 it was 422 million out of 1,029 million, or 41%.
    Thanks.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    AndyJS said:

    EPG said:

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP Daniel Hannan Retweeted Ryan Coetzee
    Ladies and gentlemen, the chief strategist at the remain campaign...

    Ryan Coetzee @RyanCoetzee
    @DanHannanMEP Your tweet is racist, bluntly. And I am not some sort of #mustfall lefty, Dan. But it really is.

    All because of this tweet ?

    Daniel HannanVerified account
    @DanHannanMEP
    Today is #CommonwealthDay - a day to celebrate the family of English-speaking nations who have fought together for freedom

    Is India an English-speaking nation?
    Never mind, if someone calls it racist then PB Comments will be for it
    English and Hindi are the two main official languages, along with twenty-or so regional ones.

    There's also this map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#/media/File:Anglospeak.svg
    What percentage of the Indian population speaks Hindi fluently?
    2011 Census data hasn't been released yet, but in 2001 it was 422 million out of 1,029 million, or 41%.
    But is that necessarily their first language ?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    I believe although the border is 2000 miles, for a variety of reasons, they only need to build for half that.

    They've already built a fence for a third of the length of the border. It's odd that Trump is seen as a loon for proposing to do the same thing, but more thoroughly.
    Tunnels anyone ? If they can do it in Gaza, they can in Mexicana.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Pulpstar said:

    RodCrosby said:

    "Wall will be 45-50 feet"

    Can he do that for $10 Billion ?

    Sounds quite low to me.
    Five million dollars a mile.

    Biggest employment generator for Mexicans. They need illegal workers.
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