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  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    rcs1000 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
    Few people are coming out of this with their reputations enhanced.
    Especially calamity ;-)
    Wonder what she thinks of Cameron and his scaremongering bullshit.
    Proberly what we think nigel ;-)

    I don't want to get banned by telling you ;-)
    I already know!

    I reckon that privately she despairs of the gutless politicians that have led us down this path.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172
    GIN1138 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    LOL!

    How on earth has HMQ put up with all these dreadful politicians over the 60+ years?

    In the last few years she's has the self absorbed Blair's, neurotic Brown, dodgy Dave, Calamity Clegg and that guy Ed somebody... Oh and now she's got totally bonkers Jezza to deal with as well.

    How does the woman do it?

    Who knows, her advice may have been heeded more often than not.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    GIN1138 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    LOL!

    How on earth has HMQ put up with all these dreadful politicians over the 60+ years?

    In the last few years she's had the self absorbed Blair's, neurotic Brown, dodgy Dave, Calamity Clegg and that guy Ed somebody... Oh and now she's got totally bonkers Jezza to deal with as well.

    How does the woman do it?

    LOL
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    LOL!

    How on earth has HMQ put up with all these dreadful politicians over the 60+ years?

    In the last few years she's had the self absorbed Blair's, neurotic Brown, dodgy Dave, Calamity Clegg and that guy Ed somebody... Oh and now she's got totally bonkers Jezza to deal with as well.

    How does the woman do it?

    She gets plenty of practice given who her husband and relatives are...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    rcs1000 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
    Few people are coming out of this with their reputations enhanced.
    Especially calamity ;-)
    Wonder what she thinks of Cameron and his scaremongering bullshit.
    Proberly what we think nigel ;-)

    I don't want to get banned by telling you ;-)
    I already know!

    I reckon that privately she despairs of the gutless politicians that have led us down this path.
    Proberly stronger wording from Philip ;-)
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    er kommt!

    er kommt!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,944
    RodCrosby said:

    er kommt!

    er kommt!

    It's hilarious to think that a couple of weeks ago the GOP establishment thought that an intervention by Romney and some jokes from Rubio would stop all of this.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    Sanders just said that unemployment of African American "kids" is 51%. Not sure what he is defining kids as, but is that in the ballpark?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    er kommt!

    er kommt!

    It's hilarious to think that a couple of weeks ago the GOP establishment thought that an intervention by Romney and some jokes from Rubio would stop all of this.
    Trump: "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour? Hell, Noooooo!"

    [OK, I made that one up]
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Countdown to "Get'em Out"....5...4....3....
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    baseball cap.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172

    Countdown to "Get'em Out"....5...4....3....

    Stuck at the airport on my phone, feel like I'm missing all the fun.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    "It's a guy, but I love you. I love you"

    Pink vote sewn up.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Sanders just said that unemployment of African American "kids" is 51%. Not sure what he is defining kids as, but is that in the ballpark?

    This might help Francis -

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/13/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-real-unemployment-rate-african/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Sanders just said that unemployment of African American "kids" is 51%. Not sure what he is defining kids as, but is that in the ballpark?

    This might help Francis -

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/13/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-real-unemployment-rate-african/
    So cliff notes is basally not 51% (not unless you formulate it in a particular way with caveats), but African American's have a higher unemployment rate.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    "No teleprompters. No teleprompters. No reading speeches. Speak from the heart. And from the head!"
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    If we vote to leave the EU I wonder what sort of trade deal we would get from a President Trump.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Trump is out with the WWE baddie routine again.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016
    PB gets a mention.

    "Some of these pundits..."

    "Now they're saying: 'how do we stop him?'"
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Back to this morning's Illinois Trump.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    MP_SE said:

    If we vote to leave the EU I wonder what sort of trade deal we would get from a President Trump.

    That's easy: we would get something that looked like the Trans-Pacific Partnership. This would mean we would be treaty bound to keep our intellectual property laws in lock-step with the US, and that the UK government's decisions would be subject to appeal under ISDS provisions in US based tribunals.

    The US doesn't play fair when it comes to trade agreements.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    By the way, the economic data - from everywhere on planet Earth except China - has been staggeringly good in the last week. Industrial and manufacturing orders last week blew away expectations in Europe. And today Japan machinery orders - an excellent proxy for capital expenditure - which were expected to fall 3% year-over-year, rose by 8%.

    Maybe those negative interest rates in Japan are working.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2016
    Wearing a suit with a baseball cap certainly makes an impression, albeit a slightly odd one.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    Wearing a suit with a baseball cap certainly makes an impression, albeit a slightly odd one.

    Not as odd as Romney without one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    AndyJS said:

    Wearing a suit with a baseball cap certainly makes an impression, albeit a slightly odd one.

    Worse than this?

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02975/hague-cap_2975124k.jpg
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    rcs1000 said:

    By the way, the economic data - from everywhere on planet Earth except China - has been staggeringly good in the last week. Industrial and manufacturing orders last week blew away expectations in Europe. And today Japan machinery orders - an excellent proxy for capital expenditure - which were expected to fall 3% year-over-year, rose by 8%.

    Maybe those negative interest rates in Japan are working.

    capital spending includes govt spending?

    living here it is truly amazing to see the amount of infrastructure/pork barrel spending (depending on yr point of view). No place too inaccessible to whack a viaduct over, for the purpose of transporting daikon or whatever. Must be great if you are a civil engineer...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    By the way, the economic data - from everywhere on planet Earth except China - has been staggeringly good in the last week. Industrial and manufacturing orders last week blew away expectations in Europe. And today Japan machinery orders - an excellent proxy for capital expenditure - which were expected to fall 3% year-over-year, rose by 8%.

    Maybe those negative interest rates in Japan are working.

    capital spending includes govt spending?

    living here it is truly amazing to see the amount of infrastructure/pork barrel spending (depending on yr point of view). No place too inaccessible to whack a viaduct over, for the purpose of transporting daikon or whatever. Must be great if you are a civil engineer...
    Where is "here"?
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    edited March 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    By the way, the economic data - from everywhere on planet Earth except China - has been staggeringly good in the last week. Industrial and manufacturing orders last week blew away expectations in Europe. And today Japan machinery orders - an excellent proxy for capital expenditure - which were expected to fall 3% year-over-year, rose by 8%.

    Maybe those negative interest rates in Japan are working.

    capital spending includes govt spending?

    living here it is truly amazing to see the amount of infrastructure/pork barrel spending (depending on yr point of view). No place too inaccessible to whack a viaduct over, for the purpose of transporting daikon or whatever. Must be great if you are a civil engineer...
    Where is "here"?
    shizuoka prefecture, japan

    (sorry for being unclear)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    By the way, the economic data - from everywhere on planet Earth except China - has been staggeringly good in the last week. Industrial and manufacturing orders last week blew away expectations in Europe. And today Japan machinery orders - an excellent proxy for capital expenditure - which were expected to fall 3% year-over-year, rose by 8%.

    Maybe those negative interest rates in Japan are working.

    capital spending includes govt spending?

    living here it is truly amazing to see the amount of infrastructure/pork barrel spending (depending on yr point of view). No place too inaccessible to whack a viaduct over, for the purpose of transporting daikon or whatever. Must be great if you are a civil engineer...
    Where is "here"?
    shizuoka prefecture, japan

    (sorry for being unclear)
    No need to apologize, I presumed you meant Japan, just wanted to clarify, as PB seems to have posters located all over the globe and is hard to keep track.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Millions of low-paid workers who put aside savings could receive a top-up of up to £1,200 over four years, the government has announced.

    Employees on in-work benefits, such as tax credits, who put aside £50 a month would receive a bonus of 50% after two years - worth up to £600.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35799404
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Millions of low-paid workers who put aside savings could receive a top-up of up to £1,200 over four years, the government has announced.

    Employees on in-work benefits, such as tax credits, who put aside £50 a month would receive a bonus of 50% after two years - worth up to £600.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35799404

    I see a major flaw in this...

    If people are getting enough tax credits that they can afford to save £50 a month then they are getting too much in the way of tax credits. As it surely only exists as a scheme to provide people with sufficient income on which to live.

    Giving people who are already receiving too much public money even more public money seems utterly, utterly stupid
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Millions of low-paid workers who put aside savings could receive a top-up of up to £1,200 over four years, the government has announced.

    Employees on in-work benefits, such as tax credits, who put aside £50 a month would receive a bonus of 50% after two years - worth up to £600.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35799404

    I see a major flaw in this...

    If people are getting enough tax credits that they can afford to save £50 a month then they are getting too much in the way of tax credits. As it surely only exists as a scheme to provide people with sufficient income on which to live.

    Giving people who are already receiving too much public money even more public money seems utterly, utterly stupid
    You do have to wonder don't you....And it is also open to people on Universal Credit...now those people really aren't going to (or shouldn't have) loads of free income.

    Also, it seems unfair on people who are on lowish wages, but don't claim / aren't eligible for tax credits i.e. young single childless individuals on just above minimum wage. Surely they are people who could / should be encouraged to put away a few pennies, rather than spend whatever free cash they have every month.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Millions of low-paid workers who put aside savings could receive a top-up of up to £1,200 over four years, the government has announced.

    Employees on in-work benefits, such as tax credits, who put aside £50 a month would receive a bonus of 50% after two years - worth up to £600.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35799404

    I see a major flaw in this...

    If people are getting enough tax credits that they can afford to save £50 a month then they are getting too much in the way of tax credits. As it surely only exists as a scheme to provide people with sufficient income on which to live.

    Giving people who are already receiving too much public money even more public money seems utterly, utterly stupid
    You do have to wonder don't you....And it is also open to people on Universal Credit...now those people really aren't going to (or shouldn't have) loads of free income.
    Encouraging saving is a great idea - but it shouldn't be linked to the benefits system. This is a bad, bad, bad idea
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Millions of low-paid workers who put aside savings could receive a top-up of up to £1,200 over four years, the government has announced.

    Employees on in-work benefits, such as tax credits, who put aside £50 a month would receive a bonus of 50% after two years - worth up to £600.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35799404

    I see a major flaw in this...

    If people are getting enough tax credits that they can afford to save £50 a month then they are getting too much in the way of tax credits. As it surely only exists as a scheme to provide people with sufficient income on which to live.

    Giving people who are already receiving too much public money even more public money seems utterly, utterly stupid
    You do have to wonder don't you....And it is also open to people on Universal Credit...now those people really aren't going to (or shouldn't have) loads of free income.
    Encouraging saving is a great idea - but it shouldn't be linked to the benefits system. This is a bad, bad, bad idea
    This could be a really good scheme to give 16-24 years olds a nudge to saving more*, especially those still living at home that didn't go to uni and also those straight out of uni on ok salaries. But these are exactly the people who will be excluded.

    * Anybody who has had any experience employing this group will know that many have the attitude that a deposit for a house seems unattainable, so YOLO with what spare cash they do have. Rather than understanding the power of compound interest.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,383
    edited March 2016
    AndyJS said:

    I understand from a Boundary Commission source that Broxtowe is slated to be one of the constituencies to disappear. Exactly how isn't clear, but if they treat the City border as sacrosanct (as they have in the past, for no good reason in my opinion) then it will merge into part of Ashfield, replacing a Lab and Con marginal by a Lab marginal on 2015 figures. The MPs are Anna Soubry and Gloria de Piero respectively - should be a needle match.

    I didn't know the boundary commission had even started their work yet.
    Ashfield is not a marginal. The Labour Maj is nearly 9000, and their main challengers - the Lib Dems - just imploded further.

    The former Lib Dem candidate now leads "Ashfield Independents", and has been charged with sexual offences. He defends his innocence strongly.

    Though to be fair, the Corbyn effect might help UKIP, but probably not the Tories.
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