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  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited March 2016
    Is islam banned ?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    FPT:

    No it is nothing to do with a deal with Schengen. It is a basic principle of the EU that anyone who has a legal right to be in the EU has a right to be anywhere within the EU. It is the fundamental principle of freedom of movement. I am not sure if or how the UK has an opt out of any deal that is done with Turkey on visa free travel.

    This is very incorrect. As an example, a Russian citizen who is a legal resident somewhere in the Schengen zone and lives and works there has no right to enter the UK without a UK visa.
    Correct. This is why my parents in law have never visited me, as he is a Russian citizen.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    One way to read the local German election results is in a pure anti-immigrant pro-immigrant axis.

    In Baden the anti-immigrants up 15%, the pro-immigrants down 13%.
    In Rheinland anti-immigrants up 12.5, pro-immigrants down 10.5.
    In Saxony anti-immigrants up 24.5, pro-immigrants down 22.5.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    Speedy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    No, in Saxony-Anhalt the exit poll points to 56 seats for CDU/SPD/FDP, it gets them over the line.

    Baden-Weurttemburg is the interesting one, the current coalition is Green/SPD. That doesn't get across the line any more because AfD have surged. I would be surprised if the FDP get into bed with such a coalition to get them over the line so it means the CDU are going to have to give way locally and not exercise their power.
    They need 61 not 56, they have a 122 seat parliament according to the FAZ projections.
    Wait: I thought they had a 138 seat parliament.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    Speedy said:

    One way to read the local German election results is in a pure anti-immigrant pro-immigrant axis.

    In Baden the anti-immigrants up 15%, the pro-immigrants down 13%.
    In Rheinland anti-immigrants up 12.5, pro-immigrants down 10.5.
    In Saxony anti-immigrants up 24.5, pro-immigrants down 22.5.

    It's almost like the government of Angela Merkel did something that was incredibly unpopular with the people.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944

    Is islam banned ?

    Only in Donald Trump's America.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    edited March 2016

    Is islam banned ?

    Probably, I was banned last week and when I complained I was reinstated. I had literally done nothing, but if someone doesn't like you then they can chop you on a whim.

    I suspect the same has happened to iSam
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    rcs1000 said:

    Is islam banned ?

    Only in Donald Trump's America.
    And maybe on here ;-)
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Is islam banned ?

    Probably, I was banned last week and when I complained I was reinstated. I had literally done nothing, but if someone doesn't like you then they can chop you on a whim.

    I suspect the same has happened to iSam
    Thanks Nigel.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,000
    Off-topic:

    I was in the children's section of the library the other day when I came across the following tome:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Kipper-Kippers-Book-Weather/dp/0340710527

    Sadly, there was no mention of homosexuality causing floods. :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Off-topic:

    I was in the children's section of the library the other day when I came across the following tome:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Kipper-Kippers-Book-Weather/dp/0340710527

    Sadly, there was no mention of homosexuality causing floods. :)

    Was there another volume where Kipper gets stuck in traffic?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944

    Off-topic:

    I was in the children's section of the library the other day when I came across the following tome:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Kipper-Kippers-Book-Weather/dp/0340710527

    Sadly, there was no mention of homosexuality causing floods. :)

    Totally off-topic, have you read the reviews of this:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Story-about-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0808525425

    (Warning: you need to be a geek.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    Not sure this is the headline Osborne wanted out of his Marr interview...

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/709128319468490753
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    rcs1000 said:

    Off-topic:

    I was in the children's section of the library the other day when I came across the following tome:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Kipper-Kippers-Book-Weather/dp/0340710527

    Sadly, there was no mention of homosexuality causing floods. :)

    Totally off-topic, have you read the reviews of this:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Story-about-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0808525425

    (Warning: you need to be a geek.)
    Nothing compares to "How to shit in the woods" on amazon. Now in its third edition.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    AfD: 2 third places and 1 second place, beating the Social Democrats in Baden-Württemberg and Saxony-Anhalt and within 5.7 points of the winner in the latter.

    http://www.dw.com/en/german-state-elections-success-for-right-wing-afd-losses-for-merkels-cdu/a-19113604
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Is there an correlation between the areas AfD are doing well in? i.e areas that have seen a lot of migrates being relocated there? are they poorer areas?

    They've done best in the eastern Germany land which is by definition a lot poorer than western Germany.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,000
    Tim_B said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Off-topic:

    I was in the children's section of the library the other day when I came across the following tome:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Kipper-Kippers-Book-Weather/dp/0340710527

    Sadly, there was no mention of homosexuality causing floods. :)

    Totally off-topic, have you read the reviews of this:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Story-about-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0808525425

    (Warning: you need to be a geek.)
    Nothing compares to "How to shit in the woods" on amazon. Now in its third edition.
    Or the infamous "A hand in the Bush" Which had the best subtitle ever.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hand_in_the_Bush

    Perhaps NSFW
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    AndyJS said:

    Is there an correlation between the areas AfD are doing well in? i.e areas that have seen a lot of migrates being relocated there? are they poorer areas?

    They've done best in the eastern Germany land which is by definition a lot poorer than western Germany.
    In terms of migrant relocation / levels of immigration, how does East vs West compare? Ie it is poorer areas that have seen lots of changes in their community or fear of change?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Is there an correlation between the areas AfD are doing well in? i.e areas that have seen a lot of migrates being relocated there? are they poorer areas?

    They've done best in the eastern Germany land which is by definition a lot poorer than western Germany.
    In terms of migrant relocation / levels of immigration, how does East vs West compare? Ie it is poorer areas that have seen lots of changes in their community or fear of change?
    Officially they've attempted to spread the migrants around the country although I don't know whether this is what has happened in practice.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited March 2016
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Is there an correlation between the areas AfD are doing well in? i.e areas that have seen a lot of migrates being relocated there? are they poorer areas?

    They've done best in the eastern Germany land which is by definition a lot poorer than western Germany.
    In terms of migrant relocation / levels of immigration, how does East vs West compare? Ie it is poorer areas that have seen lots of changes in their community or fear of change?
    Officially they've attempted to spread the migrants around the country although I don't know whether this is what has happened in practice.
    I think it's at least as much about those in the East feeling abandoned by the central government.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Will Mr Wheelie Bin ever be seen again?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Will Mr Wheelie Bin ever be seen again?
    The Wheelie Bin protestor is most probably in a Siberian prison.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    New series Houdini and Doyle on ITV tonight looks interesting.

    Lots filmed in Liverpool, doubling for Edwardian London/New York I guess.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2016
    Rubio's position in Florida, Ohio and Illinois is so hopeless that one wonders whether he might drop out before polling day and endorse Kasich everywhere, (not just in Ohio).
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Will Mr Wheelie Bin ever be seen again?
    Recycled or landfill...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Latest figures from Saxony-Anhalt:

    CDU 29.8%
    AfD 24.4%
    Left 16.2%
    SPD 10.6%
    Green 5.2%
    FDP 4.8%

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landtagswahl_in_Sachsen-Anhalt_2016
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Will Mr Wheelie Bin ever be seen again?
    "Papers! Papers! Show me your papers !! "

    " err, sorry they only go in the little black collection boxes"
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Seems like Boris is taking it to Remain and the grovelling Cameron.

    Good for him, all those who doubted his commitment look a bit foolish now, as does Cameron as his childish attack has backfired big time.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Is there an correlation between the areas AfD are doing well in? i.e areas that have seen a lot of migrates being relocated there? are they poorer areas?

    They've done best in the eastern Germany land which is by definition a lot poorer than western Germany.
    In terms of migrant relocation / levels of immigration, how does East vs West compare? Ie it is poorer areas that have seen lots of changes in their community or fear of change?
    Officially they've attempted to spread the migrants around the country although I don't know whether this is what has happened in practice.
    I think that some of the migrants sent to the less salubrious parts just absconded and registered again. A considerable proportion of those arrested in Stuttgardt had been doubly registered. It all adds to the confusion as to how many and where the migrants have gone.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Seems like Boris is taking it to Remain and the grovelling Cameron.

    Good for him, all those who doubted his commitment look a bit foolish now, as does Cameron as his childish attack has backfired big time.

    You need help.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Will Mr Wheelie Bin ever be seen again?
    Recycled or landfill...
    Very good ;-)
  • ????

    @BBCGavinHewitt
    Interesting point made on German state elections. Greens did well in Baden-W and they have been supportive of Merkel's refugee policy.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: Here is Boris's column, splashed on the front of the Telegraph: "Boris rage at 'hypocrite' Obama" https://t.co/Q0zNmVLBPZ

    It is a very good article. And wrong.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: Here is Boris's column, splashed on the front of the Telegraph: "Boris rage at 'hypocrite' Obama" https://t.co/Q0zNmVLBPZ

    It is a very good article. And wrong.

    Why wrong?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    ????

    @BBCGavinHewitt
    Interesting point made on German state elections. Greens did well in Baden-W and they have been supportive of Merkel's refugee policy.

    Yes, pro-imigration candidates have done well
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    AndyJS said:

    Latest figures from Saxony-Anhalt:

    CDU 29.8%
    AfD 24.4%
    Left 16.2%
    SPD 10.6%
    Green 5.2%
    FDP 4.8%

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landtagswahl_in_Sachsen-Anhalt_2016

    It's really hard to see a workable coalition there:
    CDU + AfD is about the only thing that works, CDU + SPD + Green is short, as is Left + SPD + Green. If the FDP had made it over the threshold it would have become even more fragmented...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2016

    ????

    @BBCGavinHewitt
    Interesting point made on German state elections. Greens did well in Baden-W and they have been supportive of Merkel's refugee policy.

    Sounds like clutching at straws from a BBC journalist. All the other centre-left and left-wing parties did appallingly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865

    Tim_B said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Off-topic:

    I was in the children's section of the library the other day when I came across the following tome:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Kipper-Kippers-Book-Weather/dp/0340710527

    Sadly, there was no mention of homosexuality causing floods. :)

    Totally off-topic, have you read the reviews of this:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Story-about-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0808525425

    (Warning: you need to be a geek.)
    Nothing compares to "How to shit in the woods" on amazon. Now in its third edition.
    Or the infamous "A hand in the Bush" Which had the best subtitle ever.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hand_in_the_Bush

    Perhaps NSFW
    Perhaps?!

    I don't know what I expected, to be honest, but I shouldn't have been surprised by the subtitle given the main title.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    RodCrosby said:
    That there is a village missing an idiot....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944

    ????

    @BBCGavinHewitt
    Interesting point made on German state elections. Greens did well in Baden-W and they have been supportive of Merkel's refugee policy.

    The Greens were the governing party in B-W before the elections, and went backwards - in vote share - in this election. So, Mr Hewitt is talking rubbish.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Latest figures from Saxony-Anhalt:

    CDU 29.8%
    AfD 24.4%
    Left 16.2%
    SPD 10.6%
    Green 5.2%
    FDP 4.8%

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landtagswahl_in_Sachsen-Anhalt_2016

    It's really hard to see a workable coalition there:
    CDU + AfD is about the only thing that works, CDU + SPD + Green is short, as is Left + SPD + Green. If the FDP had made it over the threshold it would have become even more fragmented...
    The logical conclusion of any Grand Coalition is, that in the end support for the participants becomes so hollowed out, that they are unable to form any coalition.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,418
    No odds for TSE becoming next Tory Leader?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Sanders is ahead in Illinois in the latest poll, but he's 2.92 on Betfair - worth a trading bet at least (I've taken some at even longer odds).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    rcs1000 said:

    ????

    @BBCGavinHewitt
    Interesting point made on German state elections. Greens did well in Baden-W and they have been supportive of Merkel's refugee policy.

    The Greens were the governing party in B-W before the elections, and went backwards - in vote share - in this election. So, Mr Hewitt is talking rubbish.
    I am glad the BBC journos on good money are so well versed in German politics in order to bring us an accurate picture of the results....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Latest figures from Saxony-Anhalt:

    CDU 29.8%
    AfD 24.4%
    Left 16.2%
    SPD 10.6%
    Green 5.2%
    FDP 4.8%

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landtagswahl_in_Sachsen-Anhalt_2016

    It's really hard to see a workable coalition there:
    CDU + AfD is about the only thing that works, CDU + SPD + Green is short, as is Left + SPD + Green. If the FDP had made it over the threshold it would have become even more fragmented...
    The logical conclusion of any Grand Coalition is, that in the end support for the participants becomes so hollowed out, that they are unable to form any coalition.
    I think that's true of any coalition. The junior partners - the FDP last time round, and the SPD the time before - got punished for being in power with the CDU. The LibDems got hammered similarly.

    More generally, as Nate Silver has persuasively argued, the party(ies) in power get gradually punished by the electorate. A grand coalition will naturally create space for alternatives.

    The only place it doesn't seem as clear is the Netherlands, where coalitions with fewer than four parties seem pretty rare.
  • rcs1000 said:

    ????

    @BBCGavinHewitt
    Interesting point made on German state elections. Greens did well in Baden-W and they have been supportive of Merkel's refugee policy.

    The Greens were the governing party in B-W before the elections, and went backwards - in vote share - in this election. So, Mr Hewitt is talking rubbish.
    I posted it here for the resources of real experts on here to check. BBC employ more journalists than any UK company, yet the quality of their fact checking is abysmal. Gavin Hewitt being a prime example. He was until late 2014 their Europe Editor for 5 years.....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Sanders is ahead in Illinois in the latest poll, but he's 2.92 on Betfair - worth a trading bet at least (I've taken some at even longer odds).

    Thanks for the tip.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The end is near:

    https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/708665526210338817

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/politics/marco-rubio-florida-primary.html?_r=1

    "His top donors, who gathered in Miami Beach for a two-day retreat planned as a victory party, are now contemplating a desperate Plan B: which candidate or which group they might instead pool their resources behind to stop Donald J. Trump.

    Mr. Rubio’s campaign, once hopeful that Florida would be the final stop on his road to the nomination, has gone from fighting for its life to just getting through the day."

    "Mostly gone is the sunny optimism of those at his side throughout his deflating and exasperating run. They acknowledge that the end is probably near, and say they just want it to be as painless as possible."

    "Mr. Arza diagnosed the real problem, in his view: the voters. “You have an upset electorate that is making an irrational decision based on where they are now,” he said. “Does it make sense? No.” "

    Goodnight.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited March 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Why wrong?

    I don't think his central arguments are necessarily proven, certainly not in the manner in which he claims.
    The American view is very clear. Whether in code or en clair, the President will tell us all that UK membership of the EU is right for Britain, right for Europe, and right for America. And why? Because that – or so we will be told – is the only way we can have “influence” in the counsels of the nations.

    It is an important argument, and deserves to be taken seriously. I also think it is wholly fallacious
    I don't think it is demonstrably fallacious. There is a a debate to be had.
    The Americans see the EU as a way of tidying up a continent whose conflicts have claimed huge numbers of American lives; as a bulwark against Russia, and they have always conceived it to be in American interests for the UK – their number one henchperson, their fidus Achates – to be deeply engaged.
    As Hugo Rifkind argued the other day, this is also the view of vast number of continental Europeans, so Boris is wrong to claim this as a US concept.

    But it is a well written article. It shows Boris is not the complete buffoon he portrays on TV.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Do we remember posting about this a couple of days ago,well the mirrors cottoned on ;-)

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/709143243238277120
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    Germany update:

    My man in Germany tells me that the FPD is likely to (just) make the 5% mark in B-W in the final analysis.

    That makes a usable coalition even harder to achieve. Even CDU + AfD is only just over 50%.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    Scott_P said:

    AndyJS said:

    Why wrong?

    I don't think his central arguments are necessarily proven, certainly not in the manner in which he claims.
    The American view is very clear. Whether in code or en clair, the President will tell us all that UK membership of the EU is right for Britain, right for Europe, and right for America. And why? Because that – or so we will be told – is the only way we can have “influence” in the counsels of the nations.

    It is an important argument, and deserves to be taken seriously. I also think it is wholly fallacious
    I don't think it is demonstrably fallacious. There is a a debate to be had.
    The Americans see the EU as a way of tidying up a continent whose conflicts have claimed huge numbers of American lives; as a bulwark against Russia, and they have always conceived it to be in American interests for the UK – their number one henchperson, their fidus Achates – to be deeply engaged.
    As Hugo Rifkind argued the other day, this is also the view of vast number of continental Europeans, so Boris is wrong to claim this as a US concept.

    But it is a well written article. It shows Boris is not the complete buffoon he portrays on TV.

    I think Obama (and I suspect this would be true of Trump or any other US leader) would like a relatively strong and united Europe, to stand up to an expansionist Russia.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016

    Sanders is ahead in Illinois in the latest poll, but he's 2.92 on Betfair - worth a trading bet at least (I've taken some at even longer odds).

    Sanders is running against the Mayor of Chicago, Rahm Emanuel, who was also Obama's chief of staff.

    Chicago is a mess of crime and gang warfare, more like a typical 70's american city, and residents are angry and have asked for the Mayor's resignation for a long time now.

    Logically Sanders will benefit from that, however the Chicago riots could be a spanner since some of his groups were involved, so I'm not quite ready to call Illinois for Sanders before I see a post riot poll.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Do we remember posting about this a couple of days ago,well the mirrors cottoned on ;-)

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/709143243238277120

    Well done the Mirror...it managed to read the Mail on Sunday and assume that David Laws second hand tale of historical events he wasn't present at could be true.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Not quite sure where this AfD being a far-right party meme came from.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    rcs1000 said:

    ????

    @BBCGavinHewitt
    Interesting point made on German state elections. Greens did well in Baden-W and they have been supportive of Merkel's refugee policy.

    The Greens were the governing party in B-W before the elections, and went backwards - in vote share - in this election. So, Mr Hewitt is talking rubbish.
    BBC looking through their rose-green tinted spectacles as usual.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016
    Obama has some magic to him. Boris doesn't.

    You can't help but feel a bit sorry for him, he thought a successful euref campaign would catapult him into number 10 - yet he's ended up as the third-officer on a sinking ship.

    All he's got left is impotent rage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAsP_77Y_xU

    I will go down with this ship
    And I won't put my hands up and surrender
    There will be no white flag above my door
    I'm in love and always will be
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    MP_SE said:

    Not quite sure where this AfD being a far-right party meme came from.

    The AfD split about a year ago, losing a lot of their business friendly supporters, and becoming a more populist (almost FN) type party.

    The old AfD was somewhere between UKIP and the Conservative Party - containing the business friendly elements of the latter, and Euroscepticism that sat somewhere in-between. The new one is much harder to categorise: it's much more economically left-wing, and much more focussed on immigration from outside the EU, and less on sovereignty.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    AndyJS said:

    Sanders is ahead in Illinois in the latest poll, but he's 2.92 on Betfair - worth a trading bet at least (I've taken some at even longer odds).

    Thanks for the tip.
    I cam on to tip 4s with 32red, but too late! 2.92 is probably value, it doesn't look like Sanders is going to necessarily underachieve the polls.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    kle4 said:

    Hope yet for the human race...

    Go grandmaster wins fourth showdown of five-match series against Google’s artificial intelligence, AlphaGo

    Yes, perhaps when the machines win, they will still try to look out for us by letting us have a few wins.
    Was suggested by AC Clarke in 2001 - A Space Odyssey - not sure whether it is in the final draft or one of the earlier ones (The lost Worlds of 2001) (The book/film is 47 years old!)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    No, in Saxony-Anhalt the exit poll points to 56 seats for CDU/SPD/FDP, it gets them over the line.

    Baden-Weurttemburg is the interesting one, the current coalition is Green/SPD. That doesn't get across the line any more because AfD have surged. I would be surprised if the FDP get into bed with such a coalition to get them over the line so it means the CDU are going to have to give way locally and not exercise their power.
    They need 61 not 56, they have a 122 seat parliament according to the FAZ projections.
    Wait: I thought they had a 138 seat parliament.
    I think you're both mistaken? There are 87 seats, the FDP are nowhere, but there is a CDU-SPD-Green majority:

    http://wahl.tagesschau.de/wahlen/2016-03-13-LT-DE-ST/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    rcs1000 said:

    MP_SE said:

    Not quite sure where this AfD being a far-right party meme came from.

    The AfD split about a year ago, losing a lot of their business friendly supporters, and becoming a more populist (almost FN) type party.

    The old AfD was somewhere between UKIP and the Conservative Party - containing the business friendly elements of the latter, and Euroscepticism that sat somewhere in-between. The new one is much harder to categorise: it's much more economically left-wing, and much more focussed on immigration from outside the EU, and less on sovereignty.
    So basically, the same way BNP and UKIP are always categorized as extremist right wing and right wing, because of their views of immigration, when actually a lot of their policies are very left wing e.g. renationalization of all major infrastructure was a key plank of the BNP when they were going well.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AgentP22: So what do you do if you are in the SNP and don't like today's German election results?

    Easy. Blame the Tories! https://t.co/fW7ZD5I5Hf
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited March 2016
    Pong said:

    Obama has some magic to him. Boris doesn't.

    You can't help but feel a bit sorry for him, he thought a successful euref campaign would catapult him into number 10 - yet he's ended up as the third-officer on a sinking ship.

    All he's got left is impotent rage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAsP_77Y_xU

    I will go down with this ship
    And I won't put my hands up and surrender
    There will be no white flag above my door
    I'm in love and always will be
    If any ship is sinking in the Polls it is the REMAIN one.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-matches-david-cameron-on-trust-sas-comres-poll-a6927751.html
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pong said:

    Obama has some magic to him. Boris doesn't.

    You can't help but feel a bit sorry for him, he thought he was going to be captain at the battle that would catapult him into number 10 - yet he's ended up as the third-officer on a sinking ship.

    All he's got left is impotent rage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAsP_77Y_xU

    I will go down with this ship
    And I won't put my hands up and surrender
    There will be no white flag above my door
    I'm in love and always will be
    This might help.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12192893/Americans-would-never-accept-EU-restrictions-so-why-should-we.html
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    No, in Saxony-Anhalt the exit poll points to 56 seats for CDU/SPD/FDP, it gets them over the line.

    Baden-Weurttemburg is the interesting one, the current coalition is Green/SPD. That doesn't get across the line any more because AfD have surged. I would be surprised if the FDP get into bed with such a coalition to get them over the line so it means the CDU are going to have to give way locally and not exercise their power.
    They need 61 not 56, they have a 122 seat parliament according to the FAZ projections.
    Wait: I thought they had a 138 seat parliament.
    I think you're both mistaken? There are 87 seats, the FDP are nowhere, but there is a CDU-SPD-Green majority:

    http://wahl.tagesschau.de/wahlen/2016-03-13-LT-DE-ST/
    Nick, I was talking to out mutual friend Mr. Dhunda this morning, he is standing against Livingstone for a place on the NEC. He has the support of the vast majority of MP's but thinks he will get swamped by the membership vote as they have moved so far Left.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Americans-would-never-accept-EU-restrictions-so-why-should-we.html

    Unlike Boris, we are not Americans...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    rcs1000 said:

    MP_SE said:

    Not quite sure where this AfD being a far-right party meme came from.

    The AfD split about a year ago, losing a lot of their business friendly supporters, and becoming a more populist (almost FN) type party.

    The old AfD was somewhere between UKIP and the Conservative Party - containing the business friendly elements of the latter, and Euroscepticism that sat somewhere in-between. The new one is much harder to categorise: it's much more economically left-wing, and much more focussed on immigration from outside the EU, and less on sovereignty.
    The new leader.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35775513
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    rcs1000 said:

    MP_SE said:

    Not quite sure where this AfD being a far-right party meme came from.

    The AfD split about a year ago, losing a lot of their business friendly supporters, and becoming a more populist (almost FN) type party.

    The old AfD was somewhere between UKIP and the Conservative Party - containing the business friendly elements of the latter, and Euroscepticism that sat somewhere in-between. The new one is much harder to categorise: it's much more economically left-wing, and much more focussed on immigration from outside the EU, and less on sovereignty.
    Good summary. The other change is that the old AfD was seen as conceivably acceptable as a future coalition partner if necessary by he CDU (roughly like the Left Party for the SPD, which is seen as more or less acceptable at state level) while the new AfD is not.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    rcs1000 said:

    MP_SE said:

    Not quite sure where this AfD being a far-right party meme came from.

    The AfD split about a year ago, losing a lot of their business friendly supporters, and becoming a more populist (almost FN) type party.

    The old AfD was somewhere between UKIP and the Conservative Party - containing the business friendly elements of the latter, and Euroscepticism that sat somewhere in-between. The new one is much harder to categorise: it's much more economically left-wing, and much more focussed on immigration from outside the EU, and less on sovereignty.
    I agree with your analysis of both AfD pre and post leadership change. I just struggle to see how they can be classified as a far-right party.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Scott_P said:

    Americans-would-never-accept-EU-restrictions-so-why-should-we.html

    Unlike Boris, we are not Americans...
    We are British and you should remember that when you are posting your 999th post for remain(The European superstate lot) when you Scott have told us that you couldn't careless who wins ;-)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2016
    O/T: Just found out that Jim Diamond (of PhD and I Should Have Known Better fame) died in October. I must have been out of the country at the time since I didn't know. Sad news.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Diamond_(singer)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    I understand from a Boundary Commission source that Broxtowe is slated to be one of the constituencies to disappear. Exactly how isn't clear, but if they treat the City border as sacrosanct (as they have in the past, for no good reason in my opinion) then it will merge into part of Ashfield, replacing a Lab and Con marginal by a Lab marginal on 2015 figures. The MPs are Anna Soubry and Gloria de Piero respectively - should be a needle match.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Der Trump in Florida
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRy35IlujQ
    Regie: Leni Riefenstahl
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172
    Fair play to Sturgeon for facing Niel. Couldn't have been easy! (Popcorn on standby while I load that one up)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    I understand from a Boundary Commission source that Broxtowe is slated to be one of the constituencies to disappear. Exactly how isn't clear, but if they treat the City border as sacrosanct (as they have in the past, for no good reason in my opinion) then it will merge into part of Ashfield, replacing a Lab and Con marginal by a Lab marginal on 2015 figures. The MPs are Anna Soubry and Gloria de Piero respectively - should be a needle match.

    I didn't know the boundary commission had even started their work yet.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
    Few people are coming out of this with their reputations enhanced.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    rcs1000 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
    Few people are coming out of this with their reputations enhanced.
    Especially calamity ;-)
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    The sun is in the sh*t.

    Diggidy dig dig dig.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    rcs1000 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
    Few people are coming out of this with their reputations enhanced.
    Especially calamity ;-)
    Wonder what she thinks of Cameron and his scaremongering bullshit.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pong said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    The sun is in the sh*t.

    Diggidy dig dig dig.
    Maybe but Clegg is going to be laughed at ;-) It's already in my head of the Queen telling him to shut up or using the yawning signal to him - lol
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,944
    RodCrosby said:

    Der Trump in Florida
    Regie: Leni Riefenstahl

    He has a phenomenal campaigning work rate. Will Hillary be able to keep up?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    Question, if the earth is warming, surely the oceans would see thermal expansion. Are they?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    Der Trump in Florida
    Regie: Leni Riefenstahl

    He has a phenomenal campaigning work rate. Will Hillary be able to keep up?
    She's toast.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    rcs1000 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
    Few people are coming out of this with their reputations enhanced.
    Especially calamity ;-)
    Wonder what she thinks of Cameron and his scaremongering bullshit.
    Proberly what we think nigel ;-)

    I don't want to get banned by telling you ;-)
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    So privately Clegg is in favour of a United States of Europe? Why is he not arguing publicly for further integration?
    Palace courtiers say ex-Deputy PM Clegg began the spat by lecturing Her Majesty on the need for European integration.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172
    rcs1000 said:

    Question, if the earth is warming, surely the oceans would see thermal expansion. Are they?

    https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/411.htm

    According to my skim of this, thermal expansion was main cause of sea leve rise last century.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Here come the cannons....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172

    rcs1000 said:

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    This is all getting a bit out of hand.
    Few people are coming out of this with their reputations enhanced.
    Especially calamity ;-)
    Wonder what she thinks of Cameron and his scaremongering bullshit.
    Proberly what we think nigel ;-)

    I don't want to get banned by telling you ;-)
    "He's a very naughty boy!"
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,451
    edited March 2016

    Cleggsit sparked Brexit: Queen not amused by Nick’s ‘sermon’

    EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dem leader’s Euro lecture left relationship with Her Majesty at an all-time low

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6998250/Queen-blasted-Clegg-over-Euro-sermon.html

    LOL!

    How on earth has HMQ put up with all these dreadful politicians over the 60+ years?

    In the last few years she's had the self absorbed Blair's, neurotic Brown, dodgy Dave, Calamity Clegg and that guy Ed somebody... Oh and now she's got totally bonkers Jezza to deal with as well.

    How does the woman do it?

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    I know in the early days of Trump campaign he really wasn't spending much money, but he must be burning lots of money now...also when it comes to the real thing, is he really going to spend the £100's millions on the tv ads from his own pocket? He has been boosting about not taking $10 million from a donor in Florida.
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