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On this week’s PB/Polling Matters podcast, Keiran looks back at a busy week in U.S. politics and updates us on the latest results from this weekend and fallout from Trump’s cancelled rally in Chicago. Keiran also argues why he thinks a Trump-Cruz ticket is more likely than the GOP establishment choosing a Kasich, Rubio or Ryan.

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  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    1st
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    2nd.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    FPT
    "Does anyone else have problems signing into the site via iPhone? I can never login properly to comment."

    Never managed to achieve it on an I phone. On IPad I can log in only with chrome ?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited March 2016
    George and Boris are both lays, imo.

    Too many candidates members would prefer to George. Too many candidates MPs will see as safer than Boris. Both are dependent on a particular referendum result and both are vulnerable to sheer passage of time if Cameron doesn't go soon.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    On topic, the podcast and Tip TV are going from strength to strength.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172
    Moses_ said:

    FPT
    "Does anyone else have problems signing into the site via iPhone? I can never login properly to comment."

    Never managed to achieve it on an I phone. On IPad I can log in only with chrome ?

    I click on someone's username and log in on the vanilla website. That seems to stick.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    8% is generous for May - next leader will be a Brexiter.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    FTP

    Merkel is a classic example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. She is directly responsible for the deaths of migrants who she has encouraged to make dangerous crossings of the Mediterranean and she has made the migrant crisis far worse by her criminally idiotic behavior than if she had said nothing at all.

    The one person who has come out of this crisis well is Cameron who made exactly the right call on how the migrants could best be helped and who has been doing something concrete and practical rather than pandering to the thoughtless 'something must be done' brigade of which you are a perfect example.

    Merkel's approach was very emotional and appears heartfelt, even if her decision may have been a consequence of Germany's history. Cameron's approach was very cold and logical. I have no doubt that they both considered the other approach, as well as others.

    Yet it appears that Cameron's strategy was correct. If Merkel had done the same then many more lives might have been saved, at least in the short term.
    If you think Cameron took the right line on this then you need to give him a fair amount of credit for it as it wasn't an easy decision politically. (It looks a lot easier now than it was late last summer after Aylan Kurdi's death. The public wants to limit migration but it also wants to feel good about itself.)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    edited March 2016
    FPT:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone else have problems signing into the site via iPhone? I can never login properly to comment.

    A bit late now, but for those interested I was going to make a comment about the electrification of the Midland Mainline which has been 'unpaused'. As far as I know there are no plans as yet to purchase new electric trains to work this line. One option would be to cascade the Class 91s and the Mark 4 coaches as they are replaced on the East Coast Main Line by the IEP trains.

    There is, however, a problem with the 91s. Leaving aside the fact that they will soon be 30 years old, they don't have the best acceleration. In fact they would be a downgrade on the current Class 222 Meridians that work between St Pancras and Sheffield. This would increase journey times and reduce capacity on the line.

    So the electrification of the Midland Mainline would be great - but only if the government is prepared to help fund the purchase of some new electrics to work the line.

    Yes, I've heard that might be a problem if they decide to cascade the 91s. The somewhat curvaceous nature of the MML might favour updated Pendelinos (tilting trains), but I don't know if there will be enough sets required for a brand-new train type.

    Otherwise, an extension to the IEP order. But I dislike the IEP as it is - the whole IEP project might be a disaster for the railways. Perhaps.
    What are your concerns about IEP? I really don't think much of the bi mode idea. Someone was telling me that it won't take long for the trains carrying fuel to have wasted enough energy to have funded the electrification of lines beyond what is planed for the GWML and ECML.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump speaking amid a praetorian guard...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    tlg86 said:

    Does anyone else have problems signing into the site via iPhone? I can never login properly to comment.

    A bit late now, but for those interested I was going to make a comment about the electrification of the Midland Mainline which has been 'unpaused'. As far as I know there are no plans as yet to purchase new electric trains to work this line. One option would be to cascade the Class 91s and the Mark 4 coaches as they are replaced on the East Coast Main Line by the IEP trains.

    There is, however, a problem with the 91s. Leaving aside the fact that they will soon be 30 years old, they don't have the best acceleration. In fact they would be a downgrade on the current Class 222 Meridians that work between St Pancras and Sheffield. This would increase journey times and reduce capacity on the line.

    So the electrification of the Midland Mainline would be great - but only if the government is prepared to help fund the purchase of some new electrics to work the line.

    Yes, I've heard that might be a problem if they decide to cascade the 91s. The somewhat curvaceous nature of the MML might favour updated Pendelinos (tilting trains), but I don't know if there will be enough sets required for a brand-new train type.

    Otherwise, an extension to the IEP order. But I dislike the IEP as it is - the whole IEP project might be a disaster for the railways. Perhaps.
    What are your concerns about IEP? I really don't think much of the bi mode idea. Someone was telling me that it won't take long for the trains carrying fuel to have wasted enough energy to have funded the electrification of lines beyond what is planed for the GWML and ECML.
    My reply FPT:

    Someone may have told you wrong given the cost rises of the GWML electrification ...

    My problem with the IEP project are based on several things. Firstly, since privatisation we've had the rather good idea of letting the customers (TOCs) specify the trains they want, and then organise their purchase by the ROSCOs, from whom they are leased. The IEP was specified by the Department of Transport in intimate detail, without much TOC input.

    Secondly, the financials are complex, even by the standards of the privatised railways.

    Thirdly, when the contract changed due to electrification plans and (I think) Hitachi admitting they could not reach the original agreed specifications, the contract was not reopened to all bidders. Instead Hitachi got to deliver less for more money.

    The taxpayer and passenger may well end up paying for the IEP project in many ways.

    https://www.nao.org.uk/report/procuring-new-trains-2/
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016
    "Without her rent-a-guinea pig service, the owner would have to purchase a new, probably younger guinea pig as a companion to the ageing survivor, whose eventual death would force the purchase of yet another guinea pig, locking the owner into an endless cycle of guinea pig purchases in order to adhere to Swiss law"

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/hope-for-lonely-rodents-rent-a-guinea-pig-service-takes-off-in-switzerland-a-787336.html
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756
    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    Wanderer said:

    FTP

    Merkel is a classic example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. She is directly responsible for the deaths of migrants who she has encouraged to make dangerous crossings of the Mediterranean and she has made the migrant crisis far worse by her criminally idiotic behavior than if she had said nothing at all.

    The one person who has come out of this crisis well is Cameron who made exactly the right call on how the migrants could best be helped and who has been doing something concrete and practical rather than pandering to the thoughtless 'something must be done' brigade of which you are a perfect example.

    Merkel's approach was very emotional and appears heartfelt, even if her decision may have been a consequence of Germany's history. Cameron's approach was very cold and logical. I have no doubt that they both considered the other approach, as well as others.

    Yet it appears that Cameron's strategy was correct. If Merkel had done the same then many more lives might have been saved, at least in the short term.
    If you think Cameron took the right line on this then you need to give him a fair amount of credit for it as it wasn't an easy decision politically. (It looks a lot easier now than it was late last summer after Aylan Kurdi's death. The public wants to limit migration but it also wants to feel good about itself.)
    Indeed, and I said so at the time. It is notable that Mr Tyndall, who is hardly a Cameron fan, also says Cameron got this issue right.

    Although I'm a bit of a Cameron fan. He's far from perfect and has made mistakes, but he;s far better than his detractors say. A factor that's probably aided him, as his enemies always underestimate him. Witness last May.

    (dons coat)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    Trump speaking amid a praetorian guard...

    Crickey you are not kidding. Specific threat or Trump doing his WWE routine?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump: Kasich has failed to qualify [for the ballot] in PA...
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    LOL at Little Marco and Lying Ted
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    MP_SE said:

    LOL at Little Marco and Lying Ted

    His rallies are brilliant. Lyin' Ted, Lil' Marco and "golf channel" Kasich
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,728
    edited March 2016

    Wanderer said:

    FTP

    Merkel is a classic example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions. She is directly responsible for the deaths of migrants who she has encouraged to make dangerous crossings of the Mediterranean and she has made the migrant crisis far worse by her criminally idiotic behavior than if she had said nothing at all.

    The one person who has come out of this crisis well is Cameron who made exactly the right call on how the migrants could best be helped and who has been doing something concrete and practical rather than pandering to the thoughtless 'something must be done' brigade of which you are a perfect example.

    Merkel's approach was very emotional and appears heartfelt, even if her decision may have been a consequence of Germany's history. Cameron's approach was very cold and logical. I have no doubt that they both considered the other approach, as well as others.

    Yet it appears that Cameron's strategy was correct. If Merkel had done the same then many more lives might have been saved, at least in the short term.
    If you think Cameron took the right line on this then you need to give him a fair amount of credit for it as it wasn't an easy decision politically. (It looks a lot easier now than it was late last summer after Aylan Kurdi's death. The public wants to limit migration but it also wants to feel good about itself.)
    Indeed, and I said so at the time. It is notable that Mr Tyndall, who is hardly a Cameron fan, also says Cameron got this issue right.

    Although I'm a bit of a Cameron fan. He's far from perfect and has made mistakes, but he;s far better than his detractors say. A factor that's probably aided him, as his enemies always underestimate him. Witness last May.

    (dons coat)
    I cannot go to far in my praise for Cameron over the migration issue. It goes much further back than last year as well. Just look at the amount of money the UK and the US were prepared to invest in the camps around Syria, notably in Turkey and Jordan, compared to the amount of money the EU and the rest of the first world were spending. Prior to the whole thing blowing up last summer the UK had put in more money into the refugee relief on its own than the whole of the rest of the EU put together.

    Cameron has led from the front on this issue every step of the way and his decisions have been both humane and practical without being shouted from the rooftops. It is a huge shame Merkel and other leaders have not shown the same sense on this issue.

    Of course I think he is an absolute stinker on other issues, most particularly the EU but that should in no way detract from his behaviour regarding the migration crisis.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    MP_SE said:

    LOL at Little Marco and Lying Ted

    His rallies are brilliant. Lyin' Ted, Lil' Marco and "golf channel" Kasich
    He turns all his opponents into WWE wrestler style caricatures and that plays brilliantly to his target audience.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943
    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    RodCrosby said:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMAt-B89k88

    It is worth watching these rallies, if only for a minute or two, to get a feel for the kind of rapport Trump has with his supporters.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RodCrosby said:

    Trump speaking amid a praetorian guard...

    Beware the ides of March

  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Trump speaking amid a praetorian guard...

    Beware the ides of March

    Ha! Indeed.
  • dyingswandyingswan Posts: 189
    George Osborne will be the next Tory leader. If the referendum campaign has proved anything it is that Boris Johnson is not a serious politician. He would amuse for four weeks, grate for four more and then drive you mad with his inattention to detail after another four weeks.
    In a sense though the Tories can elect anyone. It does not matter. While Corbyn is there Labour is irrelevant. I have never known a time when Labour was invisible. Irrelevant in the referendum. Irrelevant on the economy. Does anyone believe that John McDonnell has anything worthwhile to say on the deficit or investment? The leader was last heard to mutter something about prostitution. No wonder the local by elections this week show them losing vote share in Kendal and Maidenhead. They are falling further back in Scotland. They just do not matter anymore.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,347
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    No betting opportunities. :P
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Wanderer said:

    RodCrosby said:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMAt-B89k88

    It is worth watching these rallies, if only for a minute or two, to get a feel for the kind of rapport Trump has with his supporters.
    Trump doesn't make a speech. He gives you The Donald Trump Experience.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    LOL....he is really playing to the crowd now with calling for Pete Rose to get MLB Hall of Fame.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    Looks like the AfD have been suffering from shy voter syndrome with the pollsters.

    Their percentages have been climbing as more results come in
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756
    Richard Tyndall, agreed. Cameron has handled the migration crisis very well.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    I posted a cards bet this afternoon at Man Utd, buy at 39 made up at 60
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Sean_F said:

    Richard Tyndall, agreed. Cameron has handled the migration crisis very well.

    Imagine if all countries had backed the process of only taking those from refugee camps after they had been properly checked out....and made it 100% clear that anybody who tries to come to Europe via other means will not be allowed to settle.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016
    Question: on what day in office will you put Hillary in prison?

    Answer: certainly, to me, she broke the law.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,360
    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    Why is Gatwick Express even necessary? There is a good, cheap and almost as fast service using normal scheduled services. And they stop at Clapham Junction.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    Why is Gatwick Express even necessary? There is a good, cheap and almost as fast service using normal scheduled services. And they stop at Clapham Junction.
    Keeps the dumb tourists off the commuter trains...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312

    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    Why is Gatwick Express even necessary? There is a good, cheap and almost as fast service using normal scheduled services. And they stop at Clapham Junction.
    Since last December every other Gatwick Express goes on to Brighton. As I understand it you can use these trains like any other trains between Brighton and Gatwick but they become the more expensive train to Victoria.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RodCrosby said:

    Question: on what day in office will you put Hillary in prison?

    Answer: certainly, to me, she broke the law.

    Donald Trump as Obama's SCOTUS nominee .... it's a thought .... :smile:



  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump implies he's going to stop protecting Saudi Arabia "for peanuts"...
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Bikers for Trump!
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    I read it and enjoyed it. Sometimes folk don't say much because they don't know enough to add more.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RodCrosby said:

    Bikers for Trump!

    Hairy ? .... cooking up as storm for the Trumpster.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Women offering hugs to Trump.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Sean_F said:

    Richard Tyndall, agreed. Cameron has handled the migration crisis very well.

    Imagine if all countries had backed the process of only taking those from refugee camps after they had been properly checked out....and made it 100% clear that anybody who tries to come to Europe via other means will not be allowed to settle.
    Unfortunately, that horse has now bolted, the problem now for Cameron is to hold true to his initial astute decision regarding refugess and not be brow beaten into accepting dumb solutions to Merkel’s stupidity.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    AIUI Bi-mode will also be needed for the Cornwall route, as the wires will end at Bristol. Although as far as I'm aware it's not been decided what stock will be used southwest of Bristol.

    Some people (and I've no idea if this is right) claim that the IEP might not have the range under diesel power to reach Penzance in some circumstances. I've no idea if that's true, but given the gradients on that line I wouldn't be surprised.

    Personally I'd upgrade a few HSTs (e.g. make them comply with the new disability rules) and use them. They're classy. ;)
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Different persona tonight, sweet reasonableness.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    I read it and enjoyed it. Sometimes folk don't say much because they don't know enough to add more.
    We need the Like button back ... :)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    I've just watched Andrew Neil's interview with Nicola Sturgeon. No wonder Cameron and co won't go near him, he absolutely ravaged her.
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    I read it and enjoyed it. Sometimes folk don't say much because they don't know enough to add more.
    I read it, too, and found it interesting. Thanks.

  • dyingswan said:

    George Osborne will be the next Tory leader. If the referendum campaign has proved anything it is that Boris Johnson is not a serious politician. He would amuse for four weeks, grate for four more and then drive you mad with his inattention to detail after another four weeks.
    In a sense though the Tories can elect anyone. It does not matter. While Corbyn is there Labour is irrelevant. I have never known a time when Labour was invisible. Irrelevant in the referendum. Irrelevant on the economy. Does anyone believe that John McDonnell has anything worthwhile to say on the deficit or investment? The leader was last heard to mutter something about prostitution. No wonder the local by elections this week show them losing vote share in Kendal and Maidenhead. They are falling further back in Scotland. They just do not matter anymore.

    You do understand how the Conservative party selects its Leaders?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    tlg86 said:

    I've just watched Andrew Neil's interview with Nicola Sturgeon. No wonder Cameron and co won't go near him, he absolutely ravaged her.

    You must have been watching a special edited ENGLISH version. All the Zoomers who watched it reckon Neil got absolutely gubbed by Nicola
  • Scott_P said:

    tlg86 said:

    I've just watched Andrew Neil's interview with Nicola Sturgeon. No wonder Cameron and co won't go near him, he absolutely ravaged her.

    You must have been watching a special edited ENGLISH version. All the Zoomers who watched it reckon Neil got absolutely gubbed by Nicola
    We all lack the special SNP glasses that need to be worn to watch such interviews.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    RodCrosby said:

    Different persona tonight, sweet reasonableness.

    Yeah, quite a change for you Rod.

    Oh, wait, you meant Trump.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    We all lack the special SNP glasses that need to be worn to watch such interviews.

    They are available *free in Scotland

    *funded by English taxpayers
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    Different persona tonight, sweet reasonableness.

    Who ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MarkFoxNews: Now this IS a serious issue. https://t.co/t96O7Jv6wI
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Different persona tonight, sweet reasonableness.

    Who ?
    Trump now heading for Boca Raton, FL.

    Tune in around midnight...

    What a punishing schedule. How long can he keep this up?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Crystal Methodist at it again...

    Shamed ex Co-op boss Paul Flowers 'back on drugs' as he's filmed on bizarre four day bender

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shamed-ex-co-op-boss-7547510
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    Looks like the AfD have been suffering from shy voter syndrome with the pollsters.

    Their percentages have been climbing as more results come in
    Yes, the AfD was clearly outperformed expectations, particularly in Saxony-Anhalt where the polls had them on 18-19%, and they got 24%.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943
    Thanks everybody for their kind words :lol:

  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited March 2016
    While I am unimpressed by Cameron's handling of the EU, he has on the whole been quite a good PM. Like other long-serving PMs (Blair, Thatcher, Wilson, Macmillan, Churchill), he will prove a hard act to follow. All realistic potential successors fall seriously short in one or more of the qualities boxes a prospective PM needs to tick.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Different persona tonight, sweet reasonableness.

    Who ?
    Trump now heading for Boca Raton, FL.

    Tune in around midnight...

    What a punishing schedule. How long can he keep this up?
    Well about Trump, I went around the anti-Trump universe to see what they are up to.
    The more the primary goes on the more frothing they become, Ross Douthat even implied that Trump will be assassinated like Caesar in order to prevent him getting the nomination.

    The only way I can see them finally giving up is if Trump wins all 5 states on Tuesday, the longer the primary and this sick condition lasts the greater the long term damage to the republicans.
    The longer the civil war lasts the greater the damage, and it will be more difficult to piece the republicans together again.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Hope yet for the human race...

    Go grandmaster wins fourth showdown of five-match series against Google’s artificial intelligence, AlphaGo
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,360
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    Why is Gatwick Express even necessary? There is a good, cheap and almost as fast service using normal scheduled services. And they stop at Clapham Junction.
    Since last December every other Gatwick Express goes on to Brighton. As I understand it you can use these trains like any other trains between Brighton and Gatwick but they become the more expensive train to Victoria.
    I can understand you want them to be fast, but stopping at Clapham Junction would make them twice as useful
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    edited March 2016
    NBC/WSJ

    Florida
    GOP
    Trump 48
    Rubio 22
    Cruz 21
    Kasich 9

    Dems
    Clinton 61
    Sanders 34

    Ohio

    GOP
    Kasich 39
    Trump 33
    Cruz 19
    Rubio 6

    Dems
    Clinton 58
    Sanders 38

    Illinois

    GOP
    Trump 34
    Cruz 25
    Kasich 21
    Rubio 16

    Dems
    Clinton 51
    Sanders 45
  • Have used my profits from the DC Caucus (h/t Pulpstar) to top up on Trump for POTUS (h/t Rod Crosby)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    Scott_P said:

    @MarkFoxNews: Now this IS a serious issue. https://t.co/t96O7Jv6wI

    Could have been - fortunately I managed to hoard a supply of offbrand ginger nuts a couple of months ago, so it turned out ok.

    On Europe, is there still trouble with the AfD and the ECR group in the European Parliament?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865

    Hope yet for the human race...

    Go grandmaster wins fourth showdown of five-match series against Google’s artificial intelligence, AlphaGo

    Yes, perhaps when the machines win, they will still try to look out for us by letting us have a few wins.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    edited March 2016

    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    AIUI Bi-mode will also be needed for the Cornwall route, as the wires will end at Bristol. Although as far as I'm aware it's not been decided what stock will be used southwest of Bristol.

    Some people (and I've no idea if this is right) claim that the IEP might not have the range under diesel power to reach Penzance in some circumstances. I've no idea if that's true, but given the gradients on that line I wouldn't be surprised.

    Personally I'd upgrade a few HSTs (e.g. make them comply with the new disability rules) and use them. They're classy. ;)
    I think GWR have procured 29 Hitachi AT300s (designated as Class 802s) for the Devon and Cornwall services. I believe there was a suspicion that the standard bi mode (800s) might struggle with the South Devon Banks such as Dainton and Rattery.

    EDIT: On HSTs I think this is one of the big issues with the GWEP overrun. The disability rules are changing and the HSTs need to go before then.

    I believe that ScotRail will be getting some cascaded HSTs so they will still be in use after the IEPs come in. I also read that GWR were testing short formation HSTs on the Cardiff to Portsmouth route. I know many people who have used that route regularly and it is crying out for better trains so hopefully some HSTs can continue in England after the IEPs come in.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    It looks like AFD will finish 3rd in Baden Wurtemberg. And will win a string of constituencies in Sachsen Anhalt.

    I would point out that I posted a very decent primer on the German elections in one of the threads midweek.

    That was completely ignored. [Huff]Don't know why I bothered[/Huff]
    Looks like the AfD have been suffering from shy voter syndrome with the pollsters.

    Their percentages have been climbing as more results come in
    Yes, the AfD was clearly outperformed expectations, particularly in Saxony-Anhalt where the polls had them on 18-19%, and they got 24%.

    Surpeisingly the AfD are even topping the list of some of the bigger towns in BW - Mannheim and Pforzheim.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Have used my profits from the DC Caucus (h/t Pulpstar) to top up on Trump for POTUS (h/t Rod Crosby)

    There was a market for the DC caucus ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Is there an correlation between the areas AfD are doing well in? i.e areas that have seen a lot of migrates being relocated there? are they poorer areas?
  • Speedy said:

    Have used my profits from the DC Caucus (h/t Pulpstar) to top up on Trump for POTUS (h/t Rod Crosby)

    There was a market for the DC caucus ?
    Yes, on Betfair.
    Not a huge amount of liquidity, but was able to get a couple of shekels on at 7/2.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    CBS/yougov

    Florida

    GOP
    Trump 44
    Rubio 21
    Cruz 24
    Kasich 9

    Dems
    Clinton 62
    Sanders 34

    Ohio

    GOP
    Trump 33
    Kasich 33
    Cruz 23
    Rubio 5

    Dems
    Clinton 52
    Sanders 43

    Illinois

    GOP
    Trump 38
    Cruz 34
    Kasich 16
    Rubio 11

    Dems
    Sanders 48
    Clinton 46
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016

    Is there an correlation between the areas AfD are doing well in? i.e areas that have seen a lot of migrates being relocated there? are they poorer areas?

    Well on a large scale there is a cultural divide between east and west Germany and that is reflected with the AFD results.

    The Left party was unable to penetrate the old border, due to the perception in the west that it is the old GDR government, of course that perception also helps it in the east, the economic class factor isn't strong enough to overcome it.
    Now though you have identity politics, and it works much better for the AFD, although there is a 10% difference between east and west it's half of that of the Left historically.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    Yes but if we had PR UKIP could hold the balance of power too
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    AIUI Bi-mode will also be needed for the Cornwall route, as the wires will end at Bristol. Although as far as I'm aware it's not been decided what stock will be used southwest of Bristol.

    Some people (and I've no idea if this is right) claim that the IEP might not have the range under diesel power to reach Penzance in some circumstances. I've no idea if that's true, but given the gradients on that line I wouldn't be surprised.

    Personally I'd upgrade a few HSTs (e.g. make them comply with the new disability rules) and use them. They're classy. ;)
    I think GWR have procured 29 Hitachi AT300s (designated as Class 802s) for the Devon and Cornwall services. I believe there was a suspicion that the standard bi mode (800s) might struggle with the South Devon Banks such as Dainton and Rattery.

    EDIT: On HSTs I think this is one of the big issues with the GWEP overrun. The disability rules are changing and the HSTs need to go before then.

    I believe that ScotRail will be getting some cascaded HSTs so they will still be in use after the IEPs come in. I also read that GWR were testing short formation HSTs on the Cardiff to Portsmouth route. I know many people who have used that route regularly and it is crying out for better trains so hopefully some HSTs can continue in England after the IEPs come in.
    Cardiff to Portsmouth hasn't been the same since they got rid of 33s on sets of Mk 1 stock. Happy days!
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Listen to Rubio. A man who has given up.

    pic.twitter.com/8AS929Z0eP
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Listen to Rubio. A man who has given up.

    pic.twitter.com/8AS929Z0eP

    He certainly aint going to back The Donald is he.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    Yes but if we had PR UKIP could hold the balance of power too
    Under PR we would have what most european governments have for many years now, a permanent Grand Coalition government with lots of left wing and right wing splinters.

    Imagine a permanent Tory-Labour government under David Cameron that lasts forever.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    HYUFD said:

    CBS/yougov

    Florida

    GOP
    Trump 44
    Rubio 21
    Cruz 24
    Kasich 9

    Dems
    Clinton 62
    Sanders 34

    Ohio

    GOP
    Trump 33
    Kasich 33
    Cruz 23
    Rubio 5

    Dems
    Clinton 52
    Sanders 43

    Illinois

    GOP
    Trump 38
    Cruz 34
    Kasich 16
    Rubio 11

    Dems
    Sanders 48
    Clinton 46

    Squeaky bum time for Hillary in the midwest.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016

    Listen to Rubio. A man who has given up.

    pic.twitter.com/8AS929Z0eP

    https://twitter.com/NCPolAds/status/708978334009597952

    Rubio and Jeb Bush are a waste of time and money, I've said it for years.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    tlg86 said:

    I've just watched Andrew Neil's interview with Nicola Sturgeon. No wonder Cameron and co won't go near him, he absolutely ravaged her.

    Savaged, nobody could conceivably ravage Stugeon.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    CBS/yougov

    Florida

    GOP
    Trump 44
    Rubio 21
    Cruz 24
    Kasich 9

    Dems
    Clinton 62
    Sanders 34

    Ohio

    GOP
    Trump 33
    Kasich 33
    Cruz 23
    Rubio 5

    Dems
    Clinton 52
    Sanders 43

    Illinois

    GOP
    Trump 38
    Cruz 34
    Kasich 16
    Rubio 11

    Dems
    Sanders 48
    Clinton 46

    Squeaky bum time for Hillary in the midwest.
    We need post-Chicago riots Polls.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Re Trump v HRC.

    The naysayers forget the American public are very familiar with Trump, and what he does.

    He will frame the debates as if he, Trump, is vetting the Apprentice [Clinton] for the most important job in the world. And the public will buy that, quite readily, and let him - indeed expect him to - give her a very hard time. The fact she's a woman is of no importance. That would only factor if some beta like Romney was trying to pull the same stunt.

    At some point they'll also expect him to turn to camera, and say:- "Will you tell her, or shall I? Hillary, you're fired!"
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Hope yet for the human race...

    Go grandmaster wins fourth showdown of five-match series against Google’s artificial intelligence, AlphaGo

    The computer is obviously relaxing as it has won the tournament.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,943
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    Yes but if we had PR UKIP could hold the balance of power too
    Under PR we would have what most european governments have for many years now, a permanent Grand Coalition government with lots of left wing and right wing splinters.

    Imagine a permanent Tory-Labour government under David Cameron that lasts forever.
    Germany has had a grand coalition for the last two years.

    Which other European countries have grand coalitions right now?

    France: No
    Spain: No
    Italy: No
    Netherlands: Always has about five parties in coalition
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    weejonnie said:

    Hope yet for the human race...

    Go grandmaster wins fourth showdown of five-match series against Google’s artificial intelligence, AlphaGo

    The computer is obviously relaxing as it has won the tournament.
    Perhaps they just turned it off, and the bloke from DeepMinds had a go instead...Wizard of Oz style :-)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    CBS/yougov

    Florida

    GOP
    Trump 44
    Rubio 21
    Cruz 24
    Kasich 9

    Dems
    Clinton 62
    Sanders 34

    Ohio

    GOP
    Trump 33
    Kasich 33
    Cruz 23
    Rubio 5

    Dems
    Clinton 52
    Sanders 43

    Illinois

    GOP
    Trump 38
    Cruz 34
    Kasich 16
    Rubio 11

    Dems
    Sanders 48
    Clinton 46

    Squeaky bum time for Hillary in the midwest.
    Yes Sanders could well pick up Illinois, where Hillary grew up and perhaps add Ohio too to his Michigan win last week
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Thanks for that Mr Jessop - I think the point about bi mode was more applicable to running trains north of Edinburgh. Personally I don't think there is a need to have direct trains between London and Aberdeen/Inverness, but apparently if people have to change trains that makes them much less likely to make the journey. If that is the case, why can't we drag the electrics using a diesel locomotive? Bi-mode just seems a silly solution to an overstated problem.

    On the IEP procurement I read that the DfT went through seven people heading up the project which doesn't sound good. I tend to agree that we should let the TOCs determine what trains are needed within certain parameters.

    Where it doesn't always work is what we've had with the Gatwick Express. Southern ditched the purpose built class 460s in favour of off-lease 442s which were not nearly as appropriate for the service. Now GTR (which includes Southern) are introducing the class 387/2s on to the Gatwick Express and proclaiming an improvement in the service which they themselves downgraded to save money!

    AIUI Bi-mode will also be needed for the Cornwall route, as the wires will end at Bristol. Although as far as I'm aware it's not been decided what stock will be used southwest of Bristol.

    Some people (and I've no idea if this is right) claim that the IEP might not have the range under diesel power to reach Penzance in some circumstances. I've no idea if that's true, but given the gradients on that line I wouldn't be surprised.

    Personally I'd upgrade a few HSTs (e.g. make them comply with the new disability rules) and use them. They're classy. ;)
    I think GWR have procured 29 Hitachi AT300s (designated as Class 802s) for the Devon and Cornwall services. I believe there was a suspicion that the standard bi mode (800s) might struggle with the South Devon Banks such as Dainton and Rattery.

    EDIT: On HSTs I think this is one of the big issues with the GWEP overrun. The disability rules are changing and the HSTs need to go before then.

    I believe that ScotRail will be getting some cascaded HSTs so they will still be in use after the IEPs come in. I also read that GWR were testing short formation HSTs on the Cardiff to Portsmouth route. I know many people who have used that route regularly and it is crying out for better trains so hopefully some HSTs can continue in England after the IEPs come in.
    Ah, thanks. It appears my knowledge was well out of date!

    I see the 802's are going to be built at an Italian factory which, if I recall some conversations correctly, does not hold the record for the best build quality (though they've been taken over by Hitachi since then).

    I really don't like the bi-mode idea.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    Yes but if we had PR UKIP could hold the balance of power too
    Under PR we would have what most european governments have for many years now, a permanent Grand Coalition government with lots of left wing and right wing splinters.

    Imagine a permanent Tory-Labour government under David Cameron that lasts forever.
    A much stronger Green Party too
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Florida is the one state I confidently predict Hillary will win on Tuesday.

    Full of old people, so not much room to feel the Bern.

    I've backed Bernie in Ohio, it'd be delicious for Hillary to lose her home state of Illinois.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,942
    FPT:

    No it is nothing to do with a deal with Schengen. It is a basic principle of the EU that anyone who has a legal right to be in the EU has a right to be anywhere within the EU. It is the fundamental principle of freedom of movement. I am not sure if or how the UK has an opt out of any deal that is done with Turkey on visa free travel.

    This is very incorrect. As an example, a Russian citizen who is a legal resident somewhere in the Schengen zone and lives and works there has no right to enter the UK without a UK visa.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Pulpstar said:

    Florida is the one state I confidently predict Hillary will win on Tuesday.

    Full of old people, so not much room to feel the Bern.

    I've backed Bernie in Ohio, it'd be delicious for Hillary to lose her home state of Illinois.

    Full of old people, especially this time of year. The great snow bird migration.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,347
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    No, in Saxony-Anhalt the exit poll points to 56 seats for CDU/SPD/FDP, it gets them over the line.

    Baden-Weurttemburg is the interesting one, the current coalition is Green/SPD. That doesn't get across the line any more because AfD have surged. I would be surprised if the FDP get into bed with such a coalition to get them over the line so it means the CDU are going to have to give way locally and not exercise their power.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    MaxPB said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like a goog set of results for the Afd although they have a way to go yet to match UKIP and the FN

    Actually due to the PR nature of the German system they are more successful.

    Saxony is an example where thanks to the AFD there can be no grand coalition anymore, and if the Greens fall bellow 5% the CDU will have to choose between the AFD and the Left party, if it wants to stay in power there.
    No, in Saxony-Anhalt the exit poll points to 56 seats for CDU/SPD/FDP, it gets them over the line.

    Baden-Weurttemburg is the interesting one, the current coalition is Green/SPD. That doesn't get across the line any more because AfD have surged. I would be surprised if the FDP get into bed with such a coalition to get them over the line so it means the CDU are going to have to give way locally and not exercise their power.
    They need 61 not 56, they have a 122 seat parliament according to the FAZ projections.
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