I was very surprised he was so strident and not surprised he has been suspended, not least if 60% of your members have an opposite view he should be super diplomatic
So Cameron should be suspended for going against the wishes of the majority of conservative members.
He is prime minister of the entire nation. You do not seem to have grasped the nature of this government thingy.
And the Head of the Chambers of Commerce is there to serve the best interests of British business.
Are you really so bonkers? He is employed to represent the opinions of the business organisation whose official position as it happens is to remain in the EU. He is not an elected politician charged with running the country. He can say what he wants as far as I am concerned, I am not a member, its down to them.
We clearly can't allow people to express their own opinions.
He can say what he likes as a private individual, but he can't misrepresent his members. I recall being at a conference once where I had to say that my views, as previously expressed, were not those of those I was paid to represent.
Unless you are a professional advocate, i'm not sure why you should be expected to express opinions contrary to your own.
I was very surprised he was so strident and not surprised he has been suspended, not least if 60% of your members have an opposite view he should be super diplomatic
So Cameron should be suspended for going against the wishes of the majority of conservative members.
He is prime minister of the entire nation. You do not seem to have grasped the nature of this government thingy.
And the Head of the Chambers of Commerce is there to serve the best interests of British business.
As required by 60% of the membership
Cobblers. He made a speech where he told the truth. He made the speech as no-one but himself. Are you suggesting he should have misrepresented his own assessment? What a very odd view.
'A BCC spokesperson confirmed the group's neutral stance to City A.M. today, saying: "The BCC will not be campaigning for either side ahead of the EU referendum. The BCC will survey chamber member companies across the UK, report their diverse views, and inform the debate.
He made a speech where he told the truth - No - he gave his personal opinion which was not supported by the majority of his members. If he gave a speech away from the BCC expressing his personal views it would be absolutely fine, but whether any of it is the truth or not is a matter of opinion depending on whether you are in favour of remaining or leaving the EU
We clearly can't allow people to express their own opinions.
He can say what he likes as a private individual, but he can't misrepresent his members. I recall being at a conference once where I had to say that my views, as previously expressed, were not those of those I was paid to represent.
Unless you are a professional advocate, i'm not sure why you should be expected to express opinions contrary to your own.
I was (paid) Secretary of a county branch of a professional association. I had one view of particular situation, but when it was put to the members they took the opposite view. See Flightpath's comment.
Meanwhile, the Conservatives continue to demonstrate their supposedly "compassionate" "one nation" credentials.
A friend in the mental health support group I go to, who suffers from diagnosed clinical depression, had serious fits with immediate effect.
A complete joke
Did Ian Duncan Smith carry out the assessment personally?
Do you think people who have severe depression should be denied benefits?
What are your qualifications to assess suitability for work? Anecdote is always a very cheap and tawdry way to make political points. Maybe you should e-mail to Jeremy for PMQs.
it would've been for me to work at that time.
In other words none - except your own bias which you fail to recognize. Surely the sensible thing if you are concerned would be to encourage him to appeal instead of fixating about evil Tories.
I am only "biased" in the same way that a business-owner would be "biased" when talking about what makes a successful business, an author would be "biased" when talking about books, a musician would be "biased" when talking about music. Is it not a statement of the obvious that people who have had a certain condition, will have more knowledge of the limitations of such a condition than most people?
For what it's worth, he is appealing, though what he's supposed to do for money in the meantime is anyone's guess.
Surely mental illness is quite complex and varied. You started from a premise of criticizing the 'compassionate conservatives´ - displaying your bias from the start. You only mentioned the appeal proces We also know there was a study by a university that showed these private providers, who are incentivised to turn people down, often get it wrong. Why do conservatives who always say the state is useless have complete faith in the states system to be accurate in these assessments??
On that basis we presumably need 12 rapists on a rape trial jury to 'assess' innocence or guilt.
Don't be silly. I'm not arguing for Danny to be making the official assessment. Daft argument.
I was very surprised he was so strident and not surprised he has been suspended, not least if 60% of your members have an opposite view he should be super diplomatic
So Cameron should be suspended for going against the wishes of the majority of conservative members.
He is prime minister of the entire nation. You do not seem to have grasped the nature of this government thingy.
And the Head of the Chambers of Commerce is there to serve the best interests of British business.
As required by 60% of the membership
Cobblers. He made a speech where he told the truth. He made the speech as no-one but himself. Are you suggesting he should have misrepresented his own assessment? What a very odd view.
'A BCC spokesperson confirmed the group's neutral stance to City A.M. today, saying: "The BCC will not be campaigning for either side ahead of the EU referendum. The BCC will survey chamber member companies across the UK, report their diverse views, and inform the debate.
He made a speech where he told the truth - No - he gave his personal opinion which was not supported by the majority of his members. If he gave a speech away from the BCC expressing his personal views it would be absolutely fine, but whether any of it is the truth or not is a matter of opinion depending on whether you are in favour of remaining or leaving the EU
IMHO he should have made it clear that a) he was expressing his own views and b) it wasn't the official view of the organisation. And c) that the majority of his members didn't agree with him, if he knew, or had reason to believe that.
I was very surprised he was so strident and not surprised he has been suspended, not least if 60% of your members have an opposite view he should be super diplomatic
So Cameron should be suspended for going against the wishes of the majority of conservative members.
He is prime minister of the entire nation. You do not seem to have grasped the nature of this government thingy.
So let him carry on being PM bur stop trying to tell his own party what they should think.
I don't know if this has been commented on previously, but this is a really quite bizarre non-sequitur. The Beeb reports:
"This is something that we are able to do in this country because we define a Canadian not by a skin colour or a language or a religion or a background," Trudeau said at Toronto-Pearson International Airport last December, during a well-publicised event that spurred iconic images of Mr Trudeau giving coats to refugees after they emerged from a plane. "But by a shared set of values, aspirations, hopes and dreams that not just Canadians but people around the world share."
Spot the logical flaw in the "definition".
Actually I think defining people by values and dreams is always a bit silly, because people have quite different sets of values and dreams. Doing so is generally woolly, and sometimes quite oppressive - particularly if the people concerned are going to have their "values" imposed down on them, e.g. by a government deciding that the people of its country are going to be defined by their ardent socialism, or devout religious zeal. The idea that Canada is somehow "defined" by having a populace whose values and hopes are identical to the rest of the planet is not just a failure of "definition", but also shows profound ignorance of Canada's own heterogeneity, and the gulf in "values" between what is (largely but by no means entirely) a Western, liberal-democratic, secular society and what much of the rest of the world actually works like and thinks like (social attitude survey results would be quite revealing).
I genuinely fail to understand how 3% extra on stamp duty sparks an extra what... 30% ish on purchase price. As the advert says, 'what am I missing here?'
People herd. And sometimes they stampede. They fight each other for lifeboats, and for 40inch plasmas in the winter sale. To save 5% they will drive prices up by 10% and when you tell them they are being stupid, they will look at you as if you are stupid and carry on regardless. I've given up trying to save people from their own suboptimal behavior and now I just try to survive it.
Incidentally, those numbers aren't made up. I nearly hurled when that two-bed came on for £190K. It's genuinely nice (they've redone the bathroom and kitchen) but it's not £40K more nice...but the market price is the market price, and if they can get it they will. All they have to do is sit tight for a couple of months, dig in their heels, and there's a good chance somebody will say "yes". Ironically, if we do Brexit and prices go south then they may have to adjust downwards, but until then they'll just jut out their bottom lip, point out their nice new kitchen and marble tiles and granite worktops (OH FOR GOD'S SAKE YOU GOT THEM FROM B&Q NOT F*****G FLORENCE!) and imitate the action of the mule with a bung up its ass...
I was very surprised he was so strident and not surprised he has been suspended, not least if 60% of your members have an opposite view he should be super diplomatic
So Cameron should be suspended for going against the wishes of the majority of conservative members.
He is prime minister of the entire nation. You do not seem to have grasped the nature of this government thingy.
So let him carry on being PM bur stop trying to tell his own party what they should think.
Oh dear that is a really sad comment. We have a referendum and I think thePM is as entitled as anyone, not least Peter Bone on the same platform as George Galloway, to tell people what he thinks. Compare that to Farage who is busily purging anyone who does not agree with him. Credit to Suzanne Evans for saying 'this must make me the most purged woman in politics'.
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/02/us/cruz-trump-rubio-nomination-paths.html
Kansas is a state where Rubio should be competitive for instance.
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"This is something that we are able to do in this country because we define a Canadian not by a skin colour or a language or a religion or a background," Trudeau said at Toronto-Pearson International Airport last December, during a well-publicised event that spurred iconic images of Mr Trudeau giving coats to refugees after they emerged from a plane. "But by a shared set of values, aspirations, hopes and dreams that not just Canadians but people around the world share."
Spot the logical flaw in the "definition".
Actually I think defining people by values and dreams is always a bit silly, because people have quite different sets of values and dreams. Doing so is generally woolly, and sometimes quite oppressive - particularly if the people concerned are going to have their "values" imposed down on them, e.g. by a government deciding that the people of its country are going to be defined by their ardent socialism, or devout religious zeal. The idea that Canada is somehow "defined" by having a populace whose values and hopes are identical to the rest of the planet is not just a failure of "definition", but also shows profound ignorance of Canada's own heterogeneity, and the gulf in "values" between what is (largely but by no means entirely) a Western, liberal-democratic, secular society and what much of the rest of the world actually works like and thinks like (social attitude survey results would be quite revealing).
Incidentally, those numbers aren't made up. I nearly hurled when that two-bed came on for £190K. It's genuinely nice (they've redone the bathroom and kitchen) but it's not £40K more nice...but the market price is the market price, and if they can get it they will. All they have to do is sit tight for a couple of months, dig in their heels, and there's a good chance somebody will say "yes". Ironically, if we do Brexit and prices go south then they may have to adjust downwards, but until then they'll just jut out their bottom lip, point out their nice new kitchen and marble tiles and granite worktops (OH FOR GOD'S SAKE YOU GOT THEM FROM B&Q NOT F*****G FLORENCE!) and imitate the action of the mule with a bung up its ass...
..not that I'm bitter and twisted or anything...
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We have a referendum and I think thePM is as entitled as anyone, not least Peter Bone on the same platform as George Galloway, to tell people what he thinks.
Compare that to Farage who is busily purging anyone who does not agree with him. Credit to Suzanne Evans for saying 'this must make me the most purged woman in politics'.