Question for REMAINIANS. Do you seriously agree with Cameron's ridiculous assertion that, if we were outside the EU, we would now be asking to join?
Can anyone seriously agree with that? Hint: If you do, you are a moron.
But I'd still like to know. Good way of sorting the lying REMAINIANS from the honest.
Depends if we had access to the single market? If we didn't, we might be begging to join.
To me it is clear we'd be seeking membership of EFTA or the EEA (if we were outside). There is no way on God's green earth that we'd ask to join the EU.
Cameron knows this, it's one reason he used that weird American slang "I sure would, darn my pants!" when asked this very question: would you join the EU now. He was lying, and trying to hide it. Cf Miliband's "Hell Yes!". Exactly the same cognitive glitch.
I understand that viewpoint.
I'm about 80% LEAVE today. I know it is genuinely the right thing for my country, and my kids. It's the pain and uncertainty in between that freaks me out. But we've come through far, far worse.
My ancestors would scoff at my cowardice and avarice.
I reckon if we vote Remain, the EU will be vastly different within 5 to 10 years, and we'll have a second referendum, to which we will vote to Leave.
No, I think the EU will consider the matter settled, if we vote to remain we begin the long path to a single European state and we will eventually end up with the Euro, just much further down the line when all other 27 nations (including Denmark and Sweden who they will bully) have taken it up. At that point we stay or leave, I don't think it will be put to a vote though.
Don't see the inevitability. Eurozone = 338m people, non Eurozone but with close integration, 173m people across 11 nations - so above 1/3. Though that balance could change, it would take far better fiscal times than we have now, so the prospect of being a lone voice in the wilderness isn't coming about any time in the foreseeable.
I reckon if we vote Remain, the EU will be vastly different within 5 to 10 years, and we'll have a second referendum, to which we will vote to Leave.
I reckon if we vote Leave, the EU will be vastly different within 5-10 years, and we'll have a second referendum, to which we might vote to rejoin.
The EU needs a million volt shock to get rid of the superstaters and energise the super traders. Our leaving could be that shock.
It would be something if it WAS a superstate. If Angela Merkel and co. had to campaign for votes in Britain and run the gamut of the ferocious scepticism of many. But she doesn't. And neither does Juncker. Or Schauble. Or any of the eurocrats conferring laws on us.
It is certainly a misleading headline, whatever else it is
Survey responses reveal that firms are worried about signs of faltering demand, but boardrooms have also become unsettled by concerns regarding the increased risk of 'Brexit', financial market volatility and weak economic growth at home and abroad," said Markit's chief economists, Chris Williamson.
The headline is accurate, on your quote.
Frankly, any board directors who aren't concerned about the potential disruption of Brexit would be in breach of fiduciary duty.
This stuff is for real, it's not a game.
Pathetic.
Casino, have you ever considered the possibility that they might be right, and you might be wrong?
For that matter, has any of our Leavers done so?
Richard I would seriously give up, you cannot argue with zealots, every person or organisation that dares suggest any negative consequence for BREXIT is met with abuse and/or fingers in the ears "la, la, la Project Fear la, la la" la. One or two try to engage with the issues but they are a very small minority.
How LEAVERS have the brass neck to scream Project Fear when the Mail & Express (the LEAVERS cheerleaders) have been churning out incredible anti-EU guff day in and day out for years is beyond me. Total hypocrisy at the very least.
Question for REMAINIANS. Do you seriously agree with Cameron's ridiculous assertion that, if we were outside the EU, we would now be asking to join?
Can anyone seriously agree with that? Hint: If you do, you are a moron.
But I'd still like to know. Good way of sorting the lying REMAINIANS from the honest.
Depends if we had access to the single market? If we didn't, we might be begging to join.
To me it is clear we'd be seeking membership of EFTA or the EEA (if we were outside). There is no way on God's green earth that we'd ask to join the EU.
Cameron knows this, it's one reason he used that weird American slang "I sure would, darn my pants!" when asked this very question: would you join the EU now. He was lying, and trying to hide it. Cf Miliband's "Hell Yes!". Exactly the same cognitive glitch.
I understand that viewpoint.
I'm about 80% LEAVE today. I know it is genuinely the right thing for my country, and my kids. It's the pain and uncertainty in between that freaks me out. But we've come through far, far worse.
My ancestors would scoff at my cowardice and avarice.
I reckon if we vote Remain, the EU will be vastly different within 5 to 10 years, and we'll have a second referendum, to which we will vote to Leave.
Deluded.
There won't be another referendum in our lifetime, and the EU will take a 'Remain' vote in this one to signal that the UK wants 'In, all the way'.
Aside from Greece I actually think the € has actually been a reasonable success.
I can never really understand why we Brits gloat so much at having remained outside the Eurozone. Despite the disastrous economic state of affairs we've seen in the likes of Greek, Spain, Portugal and even France, the simple fact is that the Euro has remained a very much stronger currency than the GBP, not least over the past few weeks which has seen the pound slide by a scary 10% or more against the Euro. Just watch those VW and BMW prices soar anytime soon!
It is certainly a misleading headline, whatever else it is
Survey responses reveal that firms are worried about signs of faltering demand, but boardrooms have also become unsettled by concerns regarding the increased risk of 'Brexit', financial market volatility and weak economic growth at home and abroad," said Markit's chief economists, Chris Williamson.
The headline is accurate, on your quote.
Frankly, any board directors who aren't concerned about the potential disruption of Brexit would be in breach of fiduciary duty.
This stuff is for real, it's not a game.
Pathetic.
Casino, have you ever considered the possibility that they might be right, and you might be wrong?
For that matter, has any of our Leavers done so?
Richard I would seriously give up, you cannot argue with zealots, every person or organisation that dares suggest any negative consequence for BREXIT is met with abuse and/or fingers in the ears "la, la, la Project Fear la, la la" la. One or two try to engage with the issues but they are a very small minority.
How LEAVERS have the brass neck to scream Project Fear when the Mail & Express (the LEAVERS cheerleaders) have been churning out incredible anti-EU guff day in and day out for years is beyond me. Total hypocrisy at the very least.
Its the way you tell them that makes them so funny. This is Mr Nabavi you are talking about, Cameron's representative on earth (or at least these forums) who will not hear a word said against him, even when he is banged to rights. I am not sure he has even accepted that that we actually paid all the money Dave said we wouldn't last year when we found out our vice industry had been rather more successful than expected.
Aside from Greece I actually think the € has actually been a reasonable success.
I can never really understand why we Brits gloat so much at having remained outside the Eurozone. Despite the disastrous economic state of affairs we've seen in the likes of Greek, Spain, Portugal and even France, the simple fact is that the Euro has remained a very much stronger currency than the GBP, not least over the past few weeks which has seen the pound slide by a scary 10% or more against the Euro. Just watch those VW and BMW prices soar anytime soon!
Let them buy Jags!!
Yet another Ya Boo response to a serious point.
I agree but I am still happy to keep the pound. But it is quite true that the Euro may well turn out to be a strong currency and a boon to the eurozone. There is a logic behind it. However it does inevitably lead to a defacto single tax policy spending policy and interest rate policy and in the wider sense a single political policy. And being out of the Euro does not free us from being affected by the Euro.
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How LEAVERS have the brass neck to scream Project Fear when the Mail & Express (the LEAVERS cheerleaders) have been churning out incredible anti-EU guff day in and day out for years is beyond me. Total hypocrisy at the very least.
There won't be another referendum in our lifetime, and the EU will take a 'Remain' vote in this one to signal that the UK wants 'In, all the way'.
Yet another Ya Boo response to a serious point.
And being out of the Euro does not free us from being affected by the Euro.