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Our fourth pilot TV show sees Keiran Pedley of Polling Matters and myself welcome the Labour peer and Oxford academic, Lord (Stewart) Wood of Anfield and the media relations director of William Hill, Graham Sharpe.
In 2007, the SNP promised to scrap council tax, but Ms Sturgeon insisted the latest reform plans were “fair and progressive”. She waved aside suggestions that it was unfair to continue to base council tax payments on what properties were worth in 1991.
The involvement of so many individuals raises the possibility, as any lawyer would know, that immunity will be granted in exchange for testimony, tightening the noose around Clinton. And that is just one of Clinton’s problems.
Pardonnez my asking, but what did Adam Johnson actually *do* ? The phrase "sexual activity with a child" is so vague that it doesn't actually tell us anything meaningful - and I haven't been following the trial in great detail. I had assumed that it was something relatively minor (i.e. not rape or anything like that) and that it would mean a sentence of a few months' imprisonment, but some of the news websites today are saying he might get 5 years or 10 years. So it must be something more serious than I had thought.
Pardonnez my asking, but what did Adam Johnson actually *do* ? The phrase "sexual activity with a child" is so vague that it doesn't actually tell us anything meaningful - and I haven't been following the trial in great detail. I had assumed that it was something relatively minor (i.e. not rape or anything like that) and that it would mean a sentence of a few months' imprisonment, but some of the news websites today are saying he might get 5 years or 10 years. So it must be something more serious than I had thought.
He was cleared of getting oral sex, convicted of touching her genitals.
I can only think of once before in my lifetime where I've thought the result of a vote was as important as Hilary beating Trump and the 'Remain' side defeating 'Leave' and that was an internal vote among Tory MP's in 1990
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
@CharlotteV: Rolls-Royce warns staff about risks of Brexit https://t.co/ypFdTa5GSD < and an extraordinary tin-foil hat rebuttal from a leave campaign!
Where's the tin foil hat bit?
This was the only rebuttal I could see:
“Big foreign, multinational companies like the EU because they spend millions lobbying it in order to stitch up the rules in their favour – forcing smaller players out of business.”
We see that in my sector - both at a UK level and an EU level. Big companies like regulation because (a) it creates barriers to entry and (b) because they are larger they can amortise the fixed costs across a greater revenue base, so it creates a competitive advantage against smaller firms.
Vote Leave's response appears entirely reasonable - although, as with all political positions it could be rebutted - but absolutely not "tin foil"
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
I can understand why Catholics might. But they're nearly all scary anyway. I say "nearly" because I have a very old friend who has returned to Holy Mother Church. But he's Italian, and they wear their religion lightly.
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Is putting Osborne in a stadium wise? Will all 12,000 boo him? Or just most?
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
"Internet "trolls" could face criminal charges for creating fake profiles, according to guidance being considered for prosecutors in England and Wales.
The Crown Prosecution Service says adults should be charged if they use fake social media IDs to harass others.
Cases would also follow if posts were indecent, grossly offensive or so false they caused distress and anxiety."
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
Although, President Ted Cruz would probably take any international friends he could get, so scarce would they be.
He'd probably take North Korea's endorsement of him being a "worthy opponent".
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Is putting Osborne in a stadium wise? Will all 12,000 boo him? Or just most?
No doubt Nabavi will think it "impressive" that Osborne has flushed out dissenters.
Tomorrow's Project Fear's headline "French to end Calais deal if UK exit EU" is getting a rehash in tomorrow papers. BBC tried that this one last week.
In case of Brexit, Calais is presumably going to be filled with all those Brits who have been left stranded on holiday, surely?
"British tourists could be left STRANDED ABROAD if voters back Brexit, ministers warn"
"British pensioners in Spain without pets to eat, WILL TURN ON EACH OTHER FOR FOOD"
"In the event of Brexit, electricity from France will no longer work in British cables, leading to blackouts"
The EU will demand we return all their oxygen from our air....and will dump all their carbon dioxide in our airspace, claiming we no longer meet our international obligations.
Exiting the EU will LITERALLY LEAVE US GASPING FOR AIR.
These constant statements coming out from project fear remind me of those stupid messages that roll across the ticker at the bottom of the screen when you play Sim City *
* yes it's a guilty pleasure
actories in the yellow industrial zone turning an ugly black...or the purple of the commercial zone turning an equally ugly mix of purple and black!
When I was at school we had a game on the BBC Model B where you had to set tax rates and benefits levels and things, and if it was going well at election time you got reelected.
One of the precocious nerdy kids playing this game, who out of respect for his privacy I won't name except to say that he is currently Member of Parliament for Dover, came up with the idea of setting unemployment benefit to a large negative number. This guaranteed reelection, as it not only created a strong incentive to work, which reduced unemployment to a fairly lot level, but also the 100,000 billionaires who continued to sign on provided enough money to pay for the rest of the government's spending.
As anyone who has played a civilization game knows, when suffering from unpopularity caused by squalid, overcrowded cities and difficulty producing materials for an ongoing war effort, a good tactic is to have a feudal government system and speed up production of great works or military supplies at the cost of city population. Essentially, you work tens of thousands to death on what might be pointless building projects, reducing overcrowding at the same time. Never failed to please the cjtizens.
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Is putting Osborne in a stadium wise? Will all 12,000 boo him? Or just most?
That struck me as 'brave' as well.........
Of course, it could be part of a plan to panic REMAINers out from behind their laptops and into the polling booth - seeing George duffed up by Boris......
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Is putting Osborne in a stadium wise? Will all 12,000 boo him? Or just most?
That struck me as 'brave' as well.........
Of course, it could be part of a plan to panic REMAINers out from behind their laptops and into the polling booth - seeing George duffed up by Boris......
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Boris coukd be terrible and George wouldn't get any benefit as people still like Boris more, but I suppose someone has to do it.
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
Surely that would require them to be causing 'distress or anxiety'?
Yet, daily we are assured they cause nowt but hilarity and general mirth?
It would a question of criminal intent. Someone could have criminal intent to attack me. That I laughed when they chose to do so not with a knife or a hammer, but with a chrysanthemum, does not alter their intent.
At least if this legislation goes through, the criminal law would be given the chance to explore whether there was a defence of "being a bit shit" and "not having got a life".
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Boris coukd be terrible and George wouldn't get any benefit as people still like Boris more, but I suppose someone has to do it.
He better get busy making his budget as anodyne and uncontroversial as possible then.
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
I thought Boris had already won the next election for the Tories - by a landslide.
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
Indyref debates made no difference and Darling beat Salmond in the first
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
It would certainly be a mighty big leadership hustings. You'd have to hope even Boris might prepare for that one!
But there could still be huge numbers of undecideds, 48 hours out. Imagine the impact if Osborne does come across as all smirky and evasive, and Boris nails the Churchillian rhetoric?
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
she linked to the Guardian article citing it as an example of tin foil. It wasn't. She's saying stuff that doesn't meet an objective standard of truth.
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
If only there were a close advisor to the PM who might have been in Australia between 1989 and 1992, we might have someone in the frame for that pun...
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
It would certainly be a mighty big leadership hustings. You'd have to hope even Boris might prepare for that one!
But there could still be huge numbers of undecideds, 48 hours out. Imagine the impact if Osborne does come across as all smirky and evasive, and Boris nails the Churchillian rhetoric?
Given that is their default positions, not sure why remain would risk it. I know many remainers say things like 'leave need to explain this or that option' but I'm not so sure. Vague rhetoric about freedom might be enough in a contest where many people want to believe well thrive outside the stifling presence of the eu, and hold no love for the eu, and technical arguments from remainers coukd cone across as petty.
I'm not convinced that it is the case such vagueness will be enough, but emotive appeal seems more effective than getting into a statistics fight or the like.
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
If only there were a close advisor to the PM who might have been in Australia between 1989 and 1992, we might have someone in the frame for that pun...
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Boris coukd be terrible and George wouldn't get any benefit as people still like Boris more, but I suppose someone has to do it.
He better get busy making his budget as anodyne and uncontroversial as possible then.
It would certainly be "brave" of Osborne to take an axe to private pensions, in the run up to the vote.
Just in passing, I noted who had made that comment quoted in the Mail:
"....France's finance minister has said."
Not Justice. Not Defence. Not Foreign Affairs and International Development.
Finance.
Can I suggest that looks a little, oh I don't know - sad? As if the Chancellor only has one French chum on his speed-dial who he can ask to help out with Project Fear?
@patrickwintour: Boris Johnson & George Osborne 'to debate Brexit in front of 12,000-strong audience 48 hours before the referendum' https://t.co/QLi3tY5MJf
Boris coukd be terrible and George wouldn't get any benefit as people still like Boris more, but I suppose someone has to do it.
He better get busy making his budget as anodyne and uncontroversial as possible then.
It would certainly be "brave" of Osborne to take an axe to private pensions, in the run up to the vote.
... and then appear in front of a large audience against a wag like Boris who won't be able to avoid reminding the audience at any opportunity.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
It is precisely on any free trade agreement the Europhile Hillary Clinton would more likely screw the UK if it voted to quit the EU than Trump or Cruz would
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
It would certainly be a mighty big leadership hustings. You'd have to hope even Boris might prepare for that one!
But there could still be huge numbers of undecideds, 48 hours out. Imagine the impact if Osborne does come across as all smirky and evasive, and Boris nails the Churchillian rhetoric?
Given that is their default positions, not sure why remain would risk it. I know many remainers say things like 'leave need to explain this or that option' but I'm not so sure. Vague rhetoric about freedom might be enough in a contest where many people want to believe well thrive outside the stifling presence of the eu, and hold no love for the eu, and technical arguments from remainers coukd cone across as petty.
I'm not convinced that it is the case such vagueness will be enough, but emotive appeal seems more effective than getting into a statistics fight or the like.
Well, I'm not sure what impact Osborne has on this but it would seem like something Remain should be testing in focus groups. Sure, he's disliked, but the Chancellor warning that something threatens economic chaos (or whatever) is going to hit home with swing voters. If they think that effect overrides dislike for Osborne they might be happy to put him into this high profile setting.
ICM EU figures yesterday have England backing Leave 41% to 40% but the UK tied 41% to 41%.
Tory voters back Remain 43% to 39% but 2015 Tory voters back Leave 37% to 44%
If Tory voters are that split, then it looks like an unhappy situation moving forward - the dream of some antI Cameroons is this vote lances the eu boil and rids them of europhile leadership, but apparently a significant amount of supporters won't line that either.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
It is precisely on any free trade agreement the Europhile Hillary Clinton would more likely screw the UK if it voted to quit the EU than Trump or Cruz would
Just about all the Republican candidates went on the record a couple of hours after the original scare story rubbishing it. HRC might be different, but I doubt it, what's in it for America.
Fraser Nelson 13 years ago, Nissan said UK should join the Euro or it'd cut back in Sunderland. Today, more cars made in Sunderland than in all of Italy.
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
It would certainly be a mighty big leadership hustings. You'd have to hope even Boris might prepare for that one!
But there could still be huge numbers of undecideds, 48 hours out. Imagine the impact if Osborne does come across as all smirky and evasive, and Boris nails the Churchillian rhetoric?
Given that is their default positions, not sure why remain would risk it. I know many remainers say things like 'leave need to explain this or that option' but I'm not so sure. Vague rhetoric about freedom might be enough in a contest where many people want to believe well thrive outside the stifling presence of the eu, and hold no love for the eu, and technical arguments from remainers coukd cone across as petty.
I'm not convinced that it is the case such vagueness will be enough, but emotive appeal seems more effective than getting into a statistics fight or the like.
Well, I'm not sure what impact Osborne has on this but it would seem like something Remain should be testing in focus groups. Sure, he's disliked, but the Chancellor warning that something threatens economic chaos (or whatever) is going to hit home with swing voters. If they think that effect overrides dislike for Osborne they might be happy to put him into this high profile setting.
All I know is I live in the Tory shires and have even heard good words said about Gordon brown, but not Osborne. But who else could do it in fairness?
You have today said that if Britain were to leave the EU “we won't copy any other country's deal. We will have a settlement on our own terms”.
It is now time for you to come clean with the British public about what these terms are and the implications they will have for our economic security and working people’s livelihoods. That means answering the following questions:
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
It would certainly be a mighty big leadership hustings. You'd have to hope even Boris might prepare for that one!
But there could still be huge numbers of undecideds, 48 hours out. Imagine the impact if Osborne does come across as all smirky and evasive, and Boris nails the Churchillian rhetoric?
Given that is their default positions, not sure why remain would risk it. I know many remainers say things like 'leave need to explain this or that option' but I'm not so sure. Vague rhetoric about freedom might be enough in a contest where many people want to believe well thrive outside the stifling presence of the eu, and hold no love for the eu, and technical arguments from remainers coukd cone across as petty.
I'm not convinced that it is the case such vagueness will be enough, but emotive appeal seems more effective than getting into a statistics fight or the like.
Well, I'm not sure what impact Osborne has on this but it would seem like something Remain should be testing in focus groups. Sure, he's disliked, but the Chancellor warning that something threatens economic chaos (or whatever) is going to hit home with swing voters. If they think that effect overrides dislike for Osborne they might be happy to put him into this high profile setting.
All I know is I live in the Tory shires and have even heard good words said about Gordon brown, but not Osborne. But who else could do it in fairness?
There must be dozens. We are continually remained that the intellectual firepower is all lined up behind Remain, with only people who do Sudoku puzzles for Leave....
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
It is precisely on any free trade agreement the Europhile Hillary Clinton would more likely screw the UK if it voted to quit the EU than Trump or Cruz would
No, they all will. American Presidents are very good at optimising the outcome for their country. Political calculation doesn't come into something like this (which would be waved through Congress on the nod)
And here's another one from the Grauniad - Toyota this time
'The head of one of the world's biggest car companies reignited the debate over the single currency yesterday with a warning for the government that its £1.5bn investment in the UK would be at risk if Britain stayed out of the euro.'
'Toyota managers said yesterday that its UK operations, including a new £200m plant at Burnaston, Derbyshire, would be at risk '
"We told him that if the present situation continues, then at the very least it will be impossible to expand our operations in the UK. If there is no change in the long term, then we will have to decide whether even our existing operations should continue."
All sound very familiar? Looks like the Remain team have been digging through Danny Alexander's old notes
In a speech to the British Chambers of Commerce, the Labour leader will say his own party's "light-touch" approach to financial regulation led to the banking collapse in 2007 and 2008 which nearly bankrupted the UK.
Mr Corbyn will say that a Labour government under his leadership would "reform the major banks so that they serve the economy not just themselves".
You have today said that if Britain were to leave the EU “we won't copy any other country's deal. We will have a settlement on our own terms”.
It is now time for you to come clean with the British public about what these terms are and the implications they will have for our economic security and working people’s livelihoods. That means answering the following questions:
If only there was a recent example of a prominent member of the Remain campaign refusing to spell out his precise negotiating terms before heading into discussions of a "new settlement" with our European counterparts.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
It is precisely on any free trade agreement the Europhile Hillary Clinton would more likely screw the UK if it voted to quit the EU than Trump or Cruz would
Just about all the Republican candidates went on the record a couple of hours after the original scare story rubbishing it. HRC might be different, but I doubt it, what's in it for America.
You're misreading my post. America will take advantage of our need for a deal to get great terms, but we will get a deal
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Indeed
Do you think ST changed anything?
Trump still value for POTUS?
No. Super Tuesday just reinforced the narrative.
It's Clinton v Trump in November with Clinton emerging the winner. The scale of her win being dependent on whether elements of the GOP decide to run a spoiler against him, well knowing it will be cataclysmic for Trump and down ticket races.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
It is precisely on any free trade agreement the Europhile Hillary Clinton would more likely screw the UK if it voted to quit the EU than Trump or Cruz would
Just about all the Republican candidates went on the record a couple of hours after the original scare story rubbishing it. HRC might be different, but I doubt it, what's in it for America.
You're misreading my post. America will take advantage of our need for a deal to get great terms, but we will get a deal
No, I agree with you, I disagree with HYUFD suggesting that HRC would be Europhile enough to try and screw the UK. She won't, there isn't anything it it for her, or for America.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
It is precisely on any free trade agreement the Europhile Hillary Clinton would more likely screw the UK if it voted to quit the EU than Trump or Cruz would
No, they all will. American Presidents are very good at optimising the outcome for their country. Political calculation doesn't come into something like this (which would be waved through Congress on the nod)
Trump and Cruz have been much more pro UK Brexit when asked while Clinton is resolutely pro EU and would shift the U.S. axis more towards the EU accordingly
If that debate goes ahead then I would expect Osborne to exceed expectations (he'll take preparing for it very seriously, and the expectations will be dire). Still, viewers will side with Boris. It would be dangerous for Remain if it goes ahead.
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
It would certainly be a mighty big leadership hustings. You'd have to hope even Boris might prepare for that one!
But there could still be huge numbers of undecideds, 48 hours out. Imagine the impact if Osborne does come across as all smirky and evasive, and Boris nails the Churchillian rhetoric?
Hopefully, Boris would come over like Cicero denouncing Cataline.
ICM EU figures yesterday have England backing Leave 41% to 40% but the UK tied 41% to 41%.
Tory voters back Remain 43% to 39% but 2015 Tory voters back Leave 37% to 44%
If Tory voters are that split, then it looks like an unhappy situation moving forward - the dream of some antI Cameroons is this vote lances the eu boil and rids them of europhile leadership, but apparently a significant amount of supporters won't line that either.
Yes present Tory voters are clearly more pro EU than Tory voters 15 years ago some of whom have gone to UKIP while some present Tory voters voted for Blair
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
If only there were a close advisor to the PM who might have been in Australia between 1989 and 1992, we might have someone in the frame for that pun...
I regular use the Acropolis Now pun in PB headers.
Last year there were an awful lot of/a lot of awful Hellenic puns in my PB thread headers
And meanwhile the supposed head of the Remain campaign confirms that mass EU immigration drives down wages and that and EU exit would raise pay. And that this mass immigration is a 'cost' of EU membership.
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
If only there were a close advisor to the PM who might have been in Australia between 1989 and 1992, we might have someone in the frame for that pun...
I regular use the Acropolis Now pun in PB headers.
Last there were an awful lot of/a lot of awful Hellenic puns in my PB thread headers
Some of my faves
1) Turning the Greek Euro crisis into a Drachma
2) The Greeks have lost their marbles
3) Like a bat out of Hellas
4) Greece is going to be the centaur of attention
surely "...awful Hellenic puns in my Greek columns"?
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
If only there were a close advisor to the PM who might have been in Australia between 1989 and 1992, we might have someone in the frame for that pun...
I regular use the Acropolis Now pun in PB headers.
Last there were an awful lot of/a lot of awful Hellenic puns in my PB thread headers
Some of my faves
1) Turning the Greek Euro crisis into a Drachma
2) The Greeks have lost their marbles
3) Like a bat out of Hellas
4) Greece is going to be the centaur of attention
surely "...awful Hellenic puns in my Greek columns"?
And meanwhile the supposed head of the Remain campaign confirms that mass EU immigration drives down wages and that and EU exit would raise pay. And that this mass immigration is a 'cost' of EU membership.
I think he was making the point that wage rises are a bad thing, which is probably true from his point of view, but perhaps not from the point of view of the average voter.
And here's another one from the Grauniad - Toyota this time
'The head of one of the world's biggest car companies reignited the debate over the single currency yesterday with a warning for the government that its £1.5bn investment in the UK would be at risk if Britain stayed out of the euro.'
'Toyota managers said yesterday that its UK operations, including a new £200m plant at Burnaston, Derbyshire, would be at risk '
"We told him that if the present situation continues, then at the very least it will be impossible to expand our operations in the UK. If there is no change in the long term, then we will have to decide whether even our existing operations should continue."
All sound very familiar? Looks like the Remain team have been digging through Danny Alexander's old notes
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
If only there were a close advisor to the PM who might have been in Australia between 1989 and 1992, we might have someone in the frame for that pun...
I regular use the Acropolis Now pun in PB headers.
Last there were an awful lot of/a lot of awful Hellenic puns in my PB thread headers
Some of my faves
1) Turning the Greek Euro crisis into a Drachma
2) The Greeks have lost their marbles
3) Like a bat out of Hellas
4) Greece is going to be the centaur of attention
surely "...awful Hellenic puns in my Greek columns"?
Excellent. I also compared Greece's relationship with the Euro as the most disastrous relationship in that part of the world since Helen eloped with Paris.
The campaign seems to be between two wings of the Conservative Party, while Labour are off with the fairies fantasising about nuclear disarmament.
Labour having failed to turn up for the football match, the Tories are having their own 5-a-side game.....
At least this suggests they've learned from IndyRef and aren't going to take the same hit in popularity doing Cameron's dirty work this time round.
The only way Labour get any space in the newscycle between here and June is either by participating in the EU debate which is a lose-lose activity, or through stories of noisy policy divisions, which obviously don't help. The best thing they can do is pursue a dull-but-worthy policy announcement/government critique job which will get little coverage but will enable them to point to track record of speaking on issues when we get back to normal politics later this year.
'I think he was making the point that wage rises are a bad thing, which is probably true from his point of view, but perhaps not from the point of view of the average voter.'
Indeed he was. I can't see that line playing awfully well with the large fraction of the voters who have seen very slow, if any, real pay growth this last several years. Unlike people such as 'Lord' Rose of course.
OT Cameron's scriptwriters have raised their game recently. I just heard him describe Corbyn's economic policy follwing the appointment of financial avisor Yanis Varoufakis the Greek held responsible for leaving their economy in ruins as 'Acropolis Now'.
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Roger, as a regular of pb.com, you will have read the Acropolis Now gag times aplenty. As, it appears, have the PM's speechwriters.
If only there were a close advisor to the PM who might have been in Australia between 1989 and 1992, we might have someone in the frame for that pun...
I regular use the Acropolis Now pun in PB headers.
Last there were an awful lot of/a lot of awful Hellenic puns in my PB thread headers
Some of my faves
1) Turning the Greek Euro crisis into a Drachma
2) The Greeks have lost their marbles
3) Like a bat out of Hellas
4) Greece is going to be the centaur of attention
surely "...awful Hellenic puns in my Greek columns"?
Excellent. I also compared Greece's relationship with the Euro as the most disastrous relationship in that part of the world since Helen eloped with Paris.
I'd have had a lot more respect for Cameron if he'd gone on to describe Corbyn as "the face that launched a thousand splits"
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A whole day to get suitable comestibles at the ready for the GOP debate tonight.
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Why is it scary? I'd definitely be voting Cruz if I lived in the USA.
Trump is a bit of a buffoon at times, but at heart not that radical. Ted Cruz is much more purposeful, and I do not like his purpose! I cannot see him being a good friend of the UK.
As stated the only place Cruz would be welcomed is Israel although he and Trump would be more likely to back the UK if it does Brexit than Hillary Clinton would
Any American President will back the UK post-Brexit.
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
It is precisely on any free trade agreement the Europhile Hillary Clinton would more likely screw the UK if it voted to quit the EU than Trump or Cruz would
No, they all will. American Presidents are very good at optimising the outcome for their country. Political calculation doesn't come into something like this (which would be waved through Congress on the nod)
Trump and Cruz have been much more pro UK Brexit when asked while Clinton is resolutely pro EU and would shift the U.S. axis more towards the EU accordingly
So? Doesn't change my point: we are and will remain one of the US's closest and most significant friends and allies
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Rubio will hold out until he loses Florida, but I can see that Cruz wants to keep going. President Cruz is a scarier thing than President Trump.
Probably. Conventional wisdom would indicate that Rubio pulls out after losing his home state of Florida. However there's little conventional about the GOP race this year and the establishment may want him to hang in for grim death in the faint hope of a brokered convention, which would lead to Trump standing as the spoiler against the lame duck GOP candidate.
The infighting is staggering and the factional positioning hilarious at times. We have Christie prostrating himself before Trump and Romney speaking later today about the horrors of the hair apparent. Meanwhile GOP Congressman Dold of Illinois (11th) disavows Trump at every turn.
There's no way out for the GOP. They've effectively handed POTUS to Clinton. Will they ever learn? certainly not in this cycle.
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If I may offer one suggestion;
It would be great to have the mike/keiran/guests suggest odds/%'ages if views differ from the BF market.
In 2007, the SNP promised to scrap council tax, but Ms Sturgeon insisted the latest reform plans were “fair and progressive”. She waved aside suggestions that it was unfair to continue to base council tax payments on what properties were worth in 1991.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fd6c39ba-e06b-11e5-96b7-9f778349aba2.html#ixzz41oUEWSfZ
So, if they weren't going to scrap Council Tax - why has it taken 9 years to come up with this?
The involvement of so many individuals raises the possibility, as any lawyer would know, that immunity will be granted in exchange for testimony, tightening the noose around Clinton. And that is just one of Clinton’s problems.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/02/11/the-democrats-dilemma-clinton-may-not-be-salvageable/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na
Not to insult the guest but this was a tad puerile.
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Do you think ST changed anything?
Trump still value for POTUS?
This was the only rebuttal I could see:
“Big foreign, multinational companies like the EU because they spend millions lobbying it in order to stitch up the rules in their favour – forcing smaller players out of business.”
We see that in my sector - both at a UK level and an EU level. Big companies like regulation because (a) it creates barriers to entry and (b) because they are larger they can amortise the fixed costs across a greater revenue base, so it creates a competitive advantage against smaller firms.
Vote Leave's response appears entirely reasonable - although, as with all political positions it could be rebutted - but absolutely not "tin foil"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35712772
"Internet "trolls" could face criminal charges for creating fake profiles, according to guidance being considered for prosecutors in England and Wales.
The Crown Prosecution Service says adults should be charged if they use fake social media IDs to harass others.
Cases would also follow if posts were indecent, grossly offensive or so false they caused distress and anxiety."
Troubling times for Project Fear posters here?
Mind you the material has got a lot better
Who?
He'd probably take North Korea's endorsement of him being a "worthy opponent".
Of course, it could be part of a plan to panic REMAINers out from behind their laptops and into the polling booth - seeing George duffed up by Boris......
*waves*
Yet, daily we are assured they cause nowt but hilarity and general mirth?
But yes, VoteLeave, as usual, are sensible & level headed.....
Edit - the letter itself appears unobjectionable:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35712537
Sheffield Rally.
At least if this legislation goes through, the criminal law would be given the chance to explore whether there was a defence of "being a bit shit" and "not having got a life".
Of course Conservative MPs would be watching closely to see if either man could make their case to the country.
I'd be astonished if that debate goes ahead. It sounds like a political journalist's wet dream but for the Remain side it would be incredibly risky.
But there could still be huge numbers of undecideds, 48 hours out. Imagine the impact if Osborne does come across as all smirky and evasive, and Boris nails the Churchillian rhetoric?
seems like pressure has been put on france to create fear by london
They are excellent at dealing with the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.
If it's in America's interests to be friends with an independent Britain they will be. Although, I would expect them to take full advantage of that to screw us in a free trade agreement
I'm not convinced that it is the case such vagueness will be enough, but emotive appeal seems more effective than getting into a statistics fight or the like.
Tory voters back Remain 43% to 39% but 2015 Tory voters back Leave 37% to 44%
'Come work in Paris and pay punitive French taxes'. Yes, they'll be sprinting to City Airport this morning.
"....France's finance minister has said."
Not Justice. Not Defence. Not Foreign Affairs and International Development.
Finance.
Can I suggest that looks a little, oh I don't know - sad? As if the Chancellor only has one French chum on his speed-dial who he can ask to help out with Project Fear?
I thought all those bankers had already moved to Paris (and Frankfurt) after the UK refused to join the euro.
13 years ago, Nissan said UK should join the Euro or it'd cut back in Sunderland. Today, more cars made in Sunderland than in all of Italy.
Dear Iain,
You have today said that if Britain were to leave the EU “we won't copy any other country's deal. We will have a settlement on our own terms”.
It is now time for you to come clean with the British public about what these terms are and the implications they will have for our economic security and working people’s livelihoods. That means answering the following questions:
https://www.facebook.com/ConservativesIn/posts/198340663862235
And here's another one from the Grauniad - Toyota this time
'The head of one of the world's biggest car companies reignited the debate over the single currency yesterday with a warning for the government that its £1.5bn investment in the UK would be at risk if Britain stayed out of the euro.'
'Toyota managers said yesterday that its UK operations, including a new £200m plant at Burnaston, Derbyshire, would be at risk '
"We told him that if the present situation continues, then at the very least it will be impossible to expand our operations in the UK. If there is no change in the long term, then we will have to decide whether even our existing operations should continue."
All sound very familiar?
Looks like the Remain team have been digging through Danny Alexander's old notes
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2000/jan/18/emu.theeuro
It's Clinton v Trump in November with Clinton emerging the winner. The scale of her win being dependent on whether elements of the GOP decide to run a spoiler against him, well knowing it will be cataclysmic for Trump and down ticket races.
I'll believe that debate when I see it.
The campaign seems to be between two wings of the Conservative Party, while Labour are off with the fairies fantasising about nuclear disarmament.
We get the occasional comedy moment, but that's it.
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Last year there were an awful lot of/a lot of awful Hellenic puns in my PB thread headers
Some of my faves
1) Turning the Greek Euro crisis into a Drachma
2) The Greeks have lost their marbles
3) Like a bat out of Hellas
4) Greece is going to be the centaur of attention
Not quite so well choreographed, that one
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12181385/Wages-for-British-workers-will-rise-in-the-event-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign-says.html
The only way Labour get any space in the newscycle between here and June is either by participating in the EU debate which is a lose-lose activity, or through stories of noisy policy divisions, which obviously don't help. The best thing they can do is pursue a dull-but-worthy policy announcement/government critique job which will get little coverage but will enable them to point to track record of speaking on issues when we get back to normal politics later this year.
Indeed he was. I can't see that line playing awfully well with the large fraction of the voters who have seen very slow, if any, real pay growth this last several years. Unlike people such as 'Lord' Rose of course.
The infighting is staggering and the factional positioning hilarious at times. We have Christie prostrating himself before Trump and Romney speaking later today about the horrors of the hair apparent. Meanwhile GOP Congressman Dold of Illinois (11th) disavows Trump at every turn.
There's no way out for the GOP. They've effectively handed POTUS to Clinton. Will they ever learn? certainly not in this cycle.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/clinton-vs-trump-is-not-the-race-hillary-would-have-chosen-a6907906.html
Personally, I am now backing Hillary in hope of recovering losses on Rubio and Bush. I guess I'm an establishment sort of guy.