First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
How are you defining standard of living? As a twenty/thirty year old in a normal job I could afford the deposit and the mortgage on a house without parental assistance. I could afford to go out with Herslef two or three nights a week, to stop off on the way home from work for a quick couple of pints with my mates every evening I wanted to and to smoke as much as I wanted to. My diet in those days was pretty much the same as it is now but I eat out much less. So aside from the gadgets, which didn't exist then, how has the living standards of a 20/30 year old improved since the seventies.
I'm after some more music recommendations. I detest jungle and rap et al - so anything else is cool for me. Any genre from any era.
Unless you know their work really well - Roxy Music. You may never have heard of them, but - The Be Good Tanyas Alarming that I'm suggesting this, but - Seth Lakeman I know you'll have your doubts, but - Blondie
A random selection. Let me know if you (unexpectedly) approve.
Edit: To add something classical - Villa-Lobos
That video is a cross between Kate Bush and Lady Gaga!
In parts, it was almost an upbeat female Leonard Cohen
Isn't that the definition of the anti-Leonard Cohen? Best their paths never cross for the sake of all humanity.
Oh and on topic, I would like to see results from lots of Tory council by-elections before I can make any judgement on the effects of the EU ref. and UKIP.
I was so hooked on SoA that I marathoned six seasons and paid to watch the final.
Did you know Jax was in Grange Hill! He was jolly convincing.
This is my other nerdy hobby spotting where actors have appeared before.
One of my favourites is Jensen Ackles from Supernatural where he plays a serial monster killer - now in S11 and his early life in Days of Our Lives - it's beyond funny
I was talking to a mate about it and noted Walton Goggins was not only in that but Justified and Sons of Anarchy - as a drag queen. He's one of my favourite actors and plays so many roles most convincingly.
Never seen Breaking Bad? Some of the best TV of the last decade, prepare to disappear for a week watching it!
Recently rewatched The Shield, and I think it might be better than The Wire. Definitely better than Sons of Anarchy and Justified and I like both of those shows a lot. It is massively under rated show.
For me SoA had some dodgy seasons in the middle, where it didn't really know where it was going. But the start and end (excluding the dodgy CGI ending) were great.
Justified was solid throughout for me. Goggins being great it in.
Remain or leave,I am a genuine undecided. I am put off by both sides of the argument,I am definitely not a Kipper, I do not read the express, or the mail for that matter. Just cannot see me siding with Farage and the Kippers, but not sure about remaining either. Plenty of time yet to decide.
If you support Remain, you're siding with Gerry Adams and Eddie Izzard.
Quite. I simply don't understand this desire to vote the opposite way to an individual you don't particularly like, but have probably never met, just to arbitrate yourself to make a point.
During the indyref, I was on the same side as Eddie Izzard, George Galloway, Emma Thompson and Richard Dawkins.
The thought that might affect my vote never even entered my head.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
Fair enough, Doc. I'll still be here, God willing, when you are ready to place your bet on the Lib Dems increasing their number of seats.
How are you defining standard of living? As a twenty/thirty year old in a normal job I could afford the deposit and the mortgage on a house without parental assistance. I could afford to go out with Herslef two or three nights a week, to stop off on the way home from work for a quick couple of pints with my mates every evening I wanted to and to smoke as much as I wanted to. My diet in those days was pretty much the same as it is now but I eat out much less. So aside from the gadgets, which didn't exist then, how has the living standards of a 20/30 year old improved since the seventies.
I saw a great tweet recently
Something like, "young people are spoiled these days with their iPads and smartphones, back in my day all you could do was buy property in central London"
BTW if we lament the state of politicians here and in the USA spare a thought for Peruvians heading to the polls in their Presidential election shortly:
We should note that the online polls showing close or Leave leads in the EU referendum are the same polls that show UKIP support up on last May's GE . The phone pollsters with large Remain leads also have UKIP support down on the last GE . These results and many others recently give a good clue as to whether we should place more faith in the telephone pollsters rather than the online ones with panels overstuffed with UKIP supporters .
Telephone polls understated UKIP in 2015. And, no telephone poll has UKIP under 10%, a score which the Lib Dems would love to have.
The true position of Leave/Remain is probably midway (or thereabouts) between the phone and online polls.
So I expect it's at about an 8-9% lead for Remain (54-46 or similar) but a lot depends on turnout.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
My inkling is that in 2020 with the boundary changes the Lib Dems will be down to 1 or 2 MPs. (Tim Farron and possible Alistair Carmichael). Not that I would bet on it this far out.
In theory the Lib Dems should be doing well as a replacement for Labour. Given the position they find themselves in and Tim's desire to focus on the same viewpoint as Corbyn they are unfortunately utterly screwed...
How are you defining standard of living? As a twenty/thirty year old in a normal job I could afford the deposit and the mortgage on a house without parental assistance. I could afford to go out with Herslef two or three nights a week, to stop off on the way home from work for a quick couple of pints with my mates every evening I wanted to and to smoke as much as I wanted to. My diet in those days was pretty much the same as it is now but I eat out much less. So aside from the gadgets, which didn't exist then, how has the living standards of a 20/30 year old improved since the seventies.
I saw a great tweet recently
Something like, "young people are spoiled these days with their iPads and smartphones, back in my day all you could do was buy property in central London"
A lovely tweet, Mr. Freggles, because it conveys a truth at so many levels.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
Fair enough, Doc. I'll still be here, God willing, when you are ready to place your bet on the Lib Dems increasing their number of seats.
I may well want to take that up, but I didnt actually propose that. I just pointed out that the LDs had 8 times as many MPs as the kippers. I suspect the kippers will have zero after the next general election though.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I dunno about that. You are right that they serve no purpose if they continue to flap aimlessly between 'not being Labour' and 'not being the Tories'. If, however, they plant their principles somewhere (ok ok they might have to find out what they are first) as a politically and socially Liberal party and carve out an identity there then I believe they have a purpose, and an important one at that (I might even vote for them).
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
Perhaps yes, perhaps no. No one will argue with 'sane centrist politics' (no! I demand Insane politics!) Lib Dem politics has to come from principle and not just some Clintonesque triangulation between Labour and Tory. You might not be following the news or election results around the world but people are fed up with that style of politics. Find a core belief. Social and Economic Liberalism say. And stick with it through thick and thin. Then the Lib Dems have a chance. Else with fear of Corbyn the Tories will have a bigger majority, UKIP will be further entrenched in the North and East as the 3rd English party and the Lib Dems will remain where they are now - on a par with the DUP and slightly ahead of Plaid and the Greens.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
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Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I dunno about that. You are right that they serve no purpose if they continue to flap aimlessly between 'not being Labour' and 'not being the Tories'. If, however, they plant their principles somewhere (ok ok they might have to find out what they are first) as a politically and socially Liberal party and carve out an identity there then I believe they have a purpose, and an important one at that (I might even vote for them).
There is no point to the LDs. The last thing they want is to actually do anything, they do not want to be in government, they ran away from the last one they were in. Clegg was deputy Prime Minister. That was not good enough for them. To sustain themselves in local govt they were just 2 faced.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
Fair enough, Doc. I'll still be here, God willing, when you are ready to place your bet on the Lib Dems increasing their number of seats.
I may well want to take that up, but I didnt actually propose that. I just pointed out that the LDs had 8 times as many MPs as the kippers. I suspect the kippers will have zero after the next general election though.
Naughty, naughty, Doc. You are now trying to re-introduce a topic that wasn't there in your post that I first replied to, i.e the subject of our discussion, and which I ignored as irrelevant when you did drop it in.
Anyway, it is now just coming up to 10:00pm, which is the hour Herself has decided should leave the computer and go to bed. So good night, all. Thanks for your interesting posts and God bless.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
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Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I dunno about that. You are right that they serve no purpose if they continue to flap aimlessly between 'not being Labour' and 'not being the Tories'. If, however, they plant their principles somewhere (ok ok they might have to find out what they are first) as a politically and socially Liberal party and carve out an identity there then I believe they have a purpose, and an important one at that (I might even vote for them).
There is no point to the LDs. The last thing they want is to actually do anything, they do not want to be in government, they ran away from the last one they were in. Clegg was deputy Prime Minister. That was not good enough for them. To sustain themselves in local govt they were just 2 faced.
flightpath01 Posts: 4,319 10:01PM There is no point to the LDs. The last thing they want is to actually do anything, they do not want to be in government, they ran away from the last one they were in. Clegg was deputy Prime Minister. That was not good enough for them. To sustain themselves in local govt they were just 2 faced.
I agree with all of that Im giving them a way back - find principle and go back to that. They have nothing to lose so they might as well. With Farron going on about legalising Cannabis for medicinal use. Go the whole way Liberal way on legalising cannabis. Say that in the PCC elections a vote for a Lib Dem PCC will mean that that PCC will instruct local plod to ignore (ok 'deprioritise') possession of Cannabis in their PCC area. Bang news profile. phone-in talk shows Lib Dems everywhere looking relevant. Doesn't matter its not going to get them 20% in the polls right now they are 6% and facing Jim Gilmore like status. This would get them somewhere at least.
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I dunno about that. You are right that they serve no purpose if they continue to flap aimlessly between 'not being Labour' and 'not being the Tories'. If, however, they plant their principles somewhere (ok ok they might have to find out what they are first) as a politically and socially Liberal party and carve out an identity there then I believe they have a purpose, and an important one at that (I might even vote for them).
But they don't seem to have any principles and hence I don't see they have any purpose.
We should note that the online polls showing close or Leave leads in the EU referendum are the same polls that show UKIP support up on last May's GE . The phone pollsters with large Remain leads also have UKIP support down on the last GE . These results and many others recently give a good clue as to whether we should place more faith in the telephone pollsters rather than the online ones with panels overstuffed with UKIP supporters .
Telephone polls understated UKIP in 2015. And, no telephone poll has UKIP under 10%, a score which the Lib Dems would love to have.
The true position of Leave/Remain is probably midway (or thereabouts) between the phone and online polls.
So I expect it's at about an 8-9% lead for Remain (54-46 or similar) but a lot depends on turnout.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Just meaning the midpoint between the online & phone polls as the "true" position doesn't make much sense to me. I'm not even convinced the current position is more likely than not to be within the range bounded by the phone/online polling figures.
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
The Coalition were equally pisspoor and hamfisted. The only difference is everyone could blame the Lib Dems and now the Tories have no one to hide behind. The idea that the coalition was any sort of golden era or that the Lib Dems are anything other than useful idiots is fanciful.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I dunno about that. You are right that they serve no purpose if they continue to flap aimlessly between 'not being Labour' and 'not being the Tories'. If, however, they plant their principles somewhere (ok ok they might have to find out what they are first) as a politically and socially Liberal party and carve out an identity there then I believe they have a purpose, and an important one at that (I might even vote for them).
There is no point to the LDs. The last thing they want is to actually do anything, they do not want to be in government, they ran away from the last one they were in. Clegg was deputy Prime Minister. That was not good enough for them. To sustain themselves in local govt they were just 2 faced.
You won't be winning majorities on 37 per cent forever. Do you want those votes to go to New Corbyn Labour?
Were the kippers entrenched in last nights results, or entombed? ;-)
Thats my point. Lib Dems should stop whatabouting other parties and concentrate on their own policies, issues and above all principles. Gloating over the mishaps of other parties worked in the 1980s and 90s when the Lib Dems had no record and there was no other third parties. Now there is competition it doesn't butter any parsnips.
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
The Coalition were equally pisspoor and hamfisted. The only difference is everyone could blame the Lib Dems and now the Tories have no one to hide behind. The idea that the coalition was any sort of golden era or that the Lib Dems are anything other than useful idiots is fanciful.
While the kippers are even more pisspoor and hamfisted, and better characterised as useless idiots than useful ones!
Were the kippers entrenched in last nights results, or entombed? ;-)
Thats my point. Lib Dems should stop whatabouting other parties and concentrate on their own policies, issues and above all principles. Gloating over the mishaps of other parties worked in the 1980s and 90s when the Lib Dems had no record and there was no other third parties. Now there is competition it doesn't butter any parsnips.
But they don't seem to have any principles and hence I don't see they have any purpose.
Mine was a Spartan if they do find principles. They may or may not have deep down somewhere only CERN or the folk who found Gravitation Waves can detect. No matter. No one is paying them serious attention anyhow. So they can use this time to come up with some. Shhhh.
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Snip I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at these real election results better prospects of gaining more.
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I dunno about that. You are right that they serve no purpose if they continue to flap aimlessly between 'not being Labour' and 'not being the Tories'. If, however, they plant their principles somewhere (ok ok they might have to find out what they are first) as a politically and socially Liberal party and carve out an identity there then I believe they have a purpose, and an important one at that (I might even vote for them).
There is no point to the LDs. The last thing they want is to actually do anything, they do not want to be in government, they ran away from the last one they were in. Clegg was deputy Prime Minister. That was not good enough for them. To sustain themselves in local govt they were just 2 faced.
You won't be winning majorities on 37 per cent forever. Do you want those votes to go to New Corbyn Labour?
First. Like the Lib Dems in Eastleigh. Lib Dem fightback well under way.
Excellent news!
The Tories splitting and the seppukku of Corbynism will do the LDs a lot of good as the years pass to the next GE.
Wishful thinking there, Doc? The LibDems would need to be renamed the Lazarus Party to bounce back in 2020.
Of course it is wishful, but the self destructing blue and red parties are a great opportunity.
Fair go. An opportunity for someone, but that party would have to have a clear set of ideas that chimed with that national mood and a history which does not include manifest and manifold breaches of promise. All of which rather leaves the Lib Dems stuffed.
I should not be surprised if the Lib Dems achieved just one or, maybe, two MPs at the next general election. Going into government killed their unique selling point.
8 times the number of kipper MPs! And looking at
You think the number of Lib Dem MPs will increase at the next GE? I sense a bet coming on. Same stakes as last time or will you be wanting odds?
I always felt guilty about our last bet and it was laid at about this time of night. So if you fancy a gentle wager on the Lib Dems having more than 8 seats after the next GE drop me a PM tommorow.
Four and a half years is too early to make that bet. We need to see the fallout of the May elections and EU referendum first. A lot depends on whether the Tories and/or kippers implode and whether Labour MPs depose Corbyn for someone electable.
But the fundamental point will still remain the same. The Lib Dems have no purpose. They are a disparate crowd of confused malcontents bereft of any sensible or practical ideas whose time has passed. The sooner they disappear permanently the better for everyone.
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
Never say never, but last year's election was a far more shattering defeat for the Lb Dems than i thought possible.
And often, it flew in the face of local election results.
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
The Coalition were equally pisspoor and hamfisted. The only difference is everyone could blame the Lib Dems and now the Tories have no one to hide behind. The idea that the coalition was any sort of golden era or that the Lib Dems are anything other than useful idiots is fanciful.
While the kippers are even more pisspoor and hamfisted, and better characterised as useless idiots than useful ones!
The kippers are. That's expected of them The Kippers have not gone into government promising a new kind of politics and subsequently sold themselves out. Whether that's fair or not regardless that comparison is a losing one for the Lib Dems. Fight a battle you can win and the Lib Dems can only do that once they have defined themselves as something other than the Median point between other parties.
We should note that the online polls showing close or Leave leads in the EU referendum are the same polls that show UKIP support up on last May's GE . The phone pollsters with large Remain leads also have UKIP support down on the last GE . These results and many others recently give a good clue as to whether we should place more faith in the telephone pollsters rather than the online ones with panels overstuffed with UKIP supporters .
Telephone polls understated UKIP in 2015. And, no telephone poll has UKIP under 10%, a score which the Lib Dems would love to have.
The true position of Leave/Remain is probably midway (or thereabouts) between the phone and online polls.
So I expect it's at about an 8-9% lead for Remain (54-46 or similar) but a lot depends on turnout.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Just meaning the midpoint between the online & phone polls as the "true" position doesn't make much sense to me. I'm not even convinced the current position is more likely than not to be within the range bounded by the phone/online polling figures.
BTW, do we know if the online pollsters have tried phone polling their online survey respondents with the same questions and compared the results?
Random question for anyone not just for @casino_royale !
You won't be winning majorities on 37 per cent forever. Do you want those votes to go to New Corbyn Labour?
For that to work that 11% would have to be existing Conservative voters who would switch to 'New Corbyn Labour.' Is there any evidence for this stampede?
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
IMO, the majority Tory government has so far been slightly more tolerable than the Coalition.
Mainly because the balance of power now lies with some independent-minded Tory MPs (the Heidi Allens and Johnny Mercers), who frankly have more spine than the Lib Dem MPs had in the last parliament. I doubt the tax credit cuts would've been stopped if the Coalition was still going.
Apologies. I know you have, rightly, a thing about replies to quotes. Alas its late and im not the best at this sort of tech and so am making a right Jeremy Corbyn of it. Sorry!
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Cameron is panicking about how poor final deal will be, so now resorting to breaking his own commitment to cabinet.
Apologies. I know you have, rightly, a thing about replies to quotes. Alas its late and im not the best at this sort of tech and so am making a right Jeremy Corbyn of it. Sorry!
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Cameron is panicking about how poor final deal will be, so now resorting to breaking his own commitment to cabinet.
He is leading the govt negotiations. He is the crowns first minister - he appoints all the others. Your attempted comparison is specious.
Remain or leave,I am a genuine undecided. I am put off by both sides of the argument,I am definitely not a Kipper, I do not read the express, or the mail for that matter. Just cannot see me siding with Farage and the Kippers, but not sure about remaining either. Plenty of time yet to decide.
If you support Remain, you're siding with Gerry Adams and Eddie Izzard.
Quite. I simply don't understand this desire to vote the opposite way to an individual you don't particularly like, but have probably never met, just to arbitrate yourself to make a point.
During the indyref, I was on the same side as Eddie Izzard, George Galloway, Emma Thompson and Richard Dawkins.
The thought that might affect my vote never even entered my head.
Can't stand Farage but my vote will decided on the issues. Can't help but think the association issue is the last refuge of those who know other arguments for Remain are on weak grounds.
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Cameron is now arguing that the EU protects the UK from North Korea.
Apologies. I know you have, rightly, a thing about replies to quotes. Alas its late and im not the best at this sort of tech and so am making a right Jeremy Corbyn of it. Sorry!
Remain or leave,I am a genuine undecided. I am put off by both sides of the argument,I am definitely not a Kipper, I do not read the express, or the mail for that matter. Just cannot see me siding with Farage and the Kippers, but not sure about remaining either. Plenty of time yet to decide.
If you support Remain, you're siding with Gerry Adams and Eddie Izzard.
Quite. I simply don't understand this desire to vote the opposite way to an individual you don't particularly like, but have probably never met, just to arbitrate yourself to make a point.
During the indyref, I was on the same side as Eddie Izzard, George Galloway, Emma Thompson and Richard Dawkins.
The thought that might affect my vote never even entered my head.
Can't stand Farage but my vote will decided on the issues. Can't help but think the association issue is the last refuge of those who know other arguments for Remain are on weak grounds.
I've just realised what a fantastically pleasing similarity there is between the Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887, which threw Newtonian space-time and Maxwell's theories into turmoil and eventually led to Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, and the Ligo experiment which has just vindicated the predictions of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.
I'd quite forgotten that Foundation Trusts have the power to opt out of national terms and conditions. Would be nice if Tory reforms came to bite Hunt where it hurts.
It's a shame when you think of great Tory ministers of the past that it's now come to this - ministers as shambolic and clueless as Hunt and Grayling. Even between them the whelk stall would be too much.
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Cameron is now arguing that the EU protects the UK from North Korea.
There are so many lies being told by the Kippers and so any equivalent untruths told by the Remainers, its almost impossible to have a civilised discussion..
It will be the nastiness of the Booers that will do for them in the end. I think it unlikely that LEAVE will win, because undecided are likely to vote for the status quo.....and that's probably the best result in the end ..
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Cameron is now arguing that the EU protects the UK from North Korea.
It's also done a damn fine job of protecting us from sabre-toothed tigers, Prime Minister....
This leaped out "natesilver: I mean, this talk about how Bush “beat expectations” is pretty ridiculous. So far, Jeb! has replicated Rudy Giuliani’s numbers almost exactly. Rudy got 4 percent and finished in sixth place in Iowa. Bush got 3 percent and finished in sixth place. Rudy got 9 percent and finished in fourth place in New Hampshire. Jeb got 11 percent and finished in fourth. Giuliani is widely regarded as having run one of the most embarrassing campaigns in presidential history. You can certainly say that Rubio blew it, and when we see reporting suggesting that some Republican party elites think that too, that’s valuable to know. But you can’t credibly say that Jeb’s campaign has been anything other than a miserable failure so far."
I'd quite forgotten that Foundation Trusts have the power to opt out of national terms and conditions. Would be nice if Tory reforms came to bite Hunt where it hurts.
It's a shame when you think of great Tory ministers of the past that it's now come to this - ministers as shambolic and clueless as Hunt and Grayling. Even between them the whelk stall would be too much.
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Cameron is now arguing that the EU protects the UK from North Korea.
It's also done a damn fine job of protecting us from sabre-toothed tigers, Prime Minister....
I don't see any sabre tooth tigers around. Do you?
It can be complex - melodically, harmonically, and rhythmically. That is what jazz is about, I suppose, freeing oneself from the simple tramlines that most music trundles down and creating something original and deeply personal, while entirely logical.
I'd quite forgotten that Foundation Trusts have the power to opt out of national terms and conditions. Would be nice if Tory reforms came to bite Hunt where it hurts.
It's a shame when you think of great Tory ministers of the past that it's now come to this - ministers as shambolic and clueless as Hunt and Grayling. Even between them the whelk stall would be too much.
As I said on the previous thread Ukip is effectively finished in it's present form, skint, rudderless and pointless now we have the referendum. If we Remain the race is run, if we Leave I'd love to see a new Libertarian party formed around the likes of Carswell, Hannan and some of the more individual MPs on both sides. Not sure it will happen but wishful thinking.
I'd quite forgotten that Foundation Trusts have the power to opt out of national terms and conditions. Would be nice if Tory reforms came to bite Hunt where it hurts.
It's a shame when you think of great Tory ministers of the past that it's now come to this - ministers as shambolic and clueless as Hunt and Grayling. Even between them the whelk stall would be too much.
Alex Deane @ajcdeane Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
Cameron is now arguing that the EU protects the UK from North Korea.
It can be complex - melodically, harmonically, and rhythmically. That is what jazz is about, I suppose, freeing oneself from the simple tramlines that most music trundles down and creating something original and deeply personal, while entirely logical.
As I said on the previous thread Ukip is effectively finished in it's present form, skint, rudderless and pointless now we have the referendum. If we Remain the race is run, if we Leave I'd love to see a new Libertarian party formed around the likes of Carswell, Hannan and some of the more individual MPs on both sides. Not sure it will happen but wishful thinking.
If it's Leave, UKIP won't be dead at all. The debate about our place in Europe would not come to an end as a result of a Leave result, because no-one currently has the faintest idea what Leave actually entails. A Leave result would mean that UKIP becomes the anti-EEA-option party, arguing for an end to the freedom of movement part of the EU relationship, in contrast to a large block of the establishment, and some of the Leave side, who will be arguing for an EEA-style deal to minimise the economic damage .
Bush has overtaken Rubio and catching up with Cruz.
Trump will win of course but if Bush comes 2nd he has the big mo.
I think Saturday's debate is all about who comes 2nd to Trump. It could end up being a Mexican standoff between Cruz, Bush and Rubio. Rubio might feel the greater pressure to put up a strong performance though I cant see anyone doing a Christie. Now would be the time for Trump to be all aloof statesmanlike. Not that thats ever going to happen.
"Sen. Marco Rubio channeled Tipper Gore on the campaign trail this week, railing against the harmful influence of contemporary music, movies and other hubs of pop culture."
However he's a hypocrite too:
"Last April, the Washington Post aggregated a number of Rubio’s past statements in which he expressed appreciation for Eminem, Tupac and other rap stars.
Rubio attacks everyone but Cruz. Cruz attacks Trump and Rubio. Trump attacks Cruz. Bush attacks Rubio. Carson attacks Cruz. No word from Kasich
Typical Lamestream media bias forgetting the political Brobdingnagian that is Jim Gillmore. Yesterday he did this: Thursday, Feb. 11, 2016
7:35 a.m. Phone interview with WRNN Myrtle Beach 8:30 a.m. Interview with South Carolina Radio News Network, Charleston, SC 9:10 a.m. Interview with 98 Rock radio, Charleston, SC 9:45 a.m. Interview with John Cumulous Radio, Charleston, SC
Gilmorementum baby!
Keeping his 1200% contest on contest improvement, look for him to break triple digits!!
How is he still in the race?
I find your faithlessness troubling Mortimer. "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
How are you defining standard of living? As a twenty/thirty year old in a normal job I could afford the deposit and the mortgage on a house without parental assistance. I could afford to go out with Herslef two or three nights a week, to stop off on the way home from work for a quick couple of pints with my mates every evening I wanted to and to smoke as much as I wanted to. My diet in those days was pretty much the same as it is now but I eat out much less. So aside from the gadgets, which didn't exist then, how has the living standards of a 20/30 year old improved since the seventies.
Affordability of foreign holidays, better furnished homes, better (and cheaper) availability of food, medical advances....
I've got Elizabethan lutes to heavy metal. There's something about most rap and that whole thing that grates on my IQ.
I've only found one band I like that does gangsta stuff and they're Nigger BlueGrass as a brand. They did the soundtrack for lots of Justified - Gangstagrass, the lyrics are very clever.
Py(i)e International, Let me in... Sounds like something Adam Johnson had on his car stereo..
A great decade - I was born! Seriously though its probably the one decade I am curious enough I would like to go back to and live in and see for myself. Yes three-day week, Kiddie fiddling at the BBC, inexplicable amounts of orange and beige etc put me off but it does seem so very different and interesting. Dunno really why.
As a teen...
....
Standard of living?
Thats the thing isnt it? Though we like to go on about the past the fact is it was irredeemably grimmer than now. Go back 100 years and its literally shit. Shit everywhere. I mean take away sanitation, antiseptics, antibiotics, dentistry and surgery what has the modern world done for us?
Quite.
I was born in the 80s. There was some good music in the 90s, but compared to today the progress of life was boring and slow. It took ages to book a holiday or complete a transaction for anything that your local high st didn't sell. I might have had a frightfully provincial upbringing, but one just didn't encounter the foods (either in restaurants or shops) that one does now. Eating out was expensive. Coffee was DISGUSTING almost everywhere.
As I said on the previous thread Ukip is effectively finished in it's present form, skint, rudderless and pointless now we have the referendum. If we Remain the race is run, if we Leave I'd love to see a new Libertarian party formed around the likes of Carswell, Hannan and some of the more individual MPs on both sides. Not sure it will happen but wishful thinking.
If it's Leave, UKIP won't be dead at all. The debate about our place in Europe would not come to an end as a result of a Leave result, because no-one currently has the faintest idea what Leave actually entails. A Leave result would mean that UKIP becomes the anti-EEA-option party, arguing for an end to the freedom of movement part of the EU relationship, in contrast to a large block of the establishment, and some of the Leave side, who will be arguing for an EEA-style deal to minimise the economic damage .
I don't see it that way at all.If we Leave the Tory party's recriminations could be fatal, Nigel will ride off into the financial sunset (good luck to him) and a measured, low tax, small state, entrepreneurial group will emerge. I want to Leave a) because I don;t want to be governed by Brussles and b) it will change the shape of our politics for the better.
I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
The Coalition were equally pisspoor and hamfisted. The only difference is everyone could blame the Lib Dems and now the Tories have no one to hide behind. The idea that the coalition was any sort of golden era or that the Lib Dems are anything other than useful idiots is fanciful.
While the kippers are even more pisspoor and hamfisted, and better characterised as useless idiots than useful ones!
UKIP had one job which was to put pressure on the Tories to make sure we got a referendum. They were partially successful in this but their own idiocy - primarily due to Farage - meant that they were no where near as effective as they should and could have been.
In case you missed it many Eurosceptics on here have, since the election, tuned their back on the party. It was never anything more than a tool to us to achieve an aim and whilst it had some success it certainly wasn't enough to keep us supporting it in its current form.
You see that is the difference between sensible people and idiot party fanatics like you. We don't believe in party right or wrong. I still hope UKIP will disappear once LEAVE have won the referendum. They are really no more useful than the Lib Dems. The difference being they will actually have achieved something unlike your sorry excuse for a party.
I'd quite forgotten that Foundation Trusts have the power to opt out of national terms and conditions. Would be nice if Tory reforms came to bite Hunt where it hurts.
It's a shame when you think of great Tory ministers of the past that it's now come to this - ministers as shambolic and clueless as Hunt and Grayling. Even between them the whelk stall would be too much.
I wonder. If they stick to the existing deal, that'll mean the headline salary will be 13.5% lower, won't it?
I am yet to meet a junior doctor who does not prefer the old contract. The 13.5% basic payrise is out done by the 33% paycut, even before the other issues.
I'd quite forgotten that Foundation Trusts have the power to opt out of national terms and conditions. Would be nice if Tory reforms came to bite Hunt where it hurts.
It's a shame when you think of great Tory ministers of the past that it's now come to this - ministers as shambolic and clueless as Hunt and Grayling. Even between them the whelk stall would be too much.
Comments
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/11/tim-farron-legalisation-cannabis-recreational-use
Seems SOP for them when in the deep brown stuff and looking for a headline.
Lib Dems under 8.5 seats @ 9-4.
Great price.
Ted Cruz managed to make a small issue into a big issue out of his porn star ad by pulling it off air:
https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/698258654152257536
Goodnight.
Oh and on topic, I would like to see results from lots of Tory council by-elections before I can make any judgement on the effects of the EU ref. and UKIP.
Did you know Jax was in Grange Hill! He was jolly convincing.
This is my other nerdy hobby spotting where actors have appeared before.
One of my favourites is Jensen Ackles from Supernatural where he plays a serial monster killer - now in S11 and his early life in Days of Our Lives - it's beyond funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtxtyVpVgis
During the indyref, I was on the same side as Eddie Izzard, George Galloway, Emma Thompson and Richard Dawkins.
The thought that might affect my vote never even entered my head.
Something like, "young people are spoiled these days with their iPads and smartphones, back in my day all you could do was buy property in central London"
https://news.vice.com/article/an-alleged-killer-a-plagiarist-and-a-jailed-ex-leaders-kid-meet-perus-presidential-field
URL says it all.
So I expect it's at about an 8-9% lead for Remain (54-46 or similar) but a lot depends on turnout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoBAzn1QmCo
In theory the Lib Dems should be doing well as a replacement for Labour. Given the position they find themselves in and Tim's desire to focus on the same viewpoint as Corbyn they are unfortunately utterly screwed...
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I think that we are already seeing how pisspoor and hamfisted the majority Tory government is in comparison with the Coalition. It will not be long before people look back on the Coalalition as a golden era of government. I think probably as soon as Cameron is gone that view will be a commonplace. With the Labour party controlled by Corbyns unsavoury friends the LDs will be back. Sane centrist politics are a vote winner.
Perhaps yes, perhaps no. No one will argue with 'sane centrist politics' (no! I demand Insane politics!) Lib Dem politics has to come from principle and not just some Clintonesque triangulation between Labour and Tory. You might not be following the news or election results around the world but people are fed up with that style of politics. Find a core belief. Social and Economic Liberalism say. And stick with it through thick and thin. Then the Lib Dems have a chance. Else with fear of Corbyn the Tories will have a bigger majority, UKIP will be further entrenched in the North and East as the 3rd English party and the Lib Dems will remain where they are now - on a par with the DUP and slightly ahead of Plaid and the Greens.
White Buffalo - some great tracks from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu8qsC1WLiE
Anyway, it is now just coming up to 10:00pm, which is the hour Herself has decided should leave the computer and go to bed. So good night, all. Thanks for your interesting posts and God bless.
Agree, I would have put it slightly higher at 3 - 4 MP's
Nobody takes Farron seriously he hasn't evolved from student politics, Lamb would have been a more serious leader.
Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio and Jeb! at Faith Family forum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLlP7NlH5ac6IoUR0tm7gm1OqrZgkmg-PY&v=vaw9nxyn6CE
Meanwhile Trump has headed to Tampa, Florida for a YUUUUUUGE rally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ3bm5zoMQw
They're done, stick a fork in them.
Were the kippers entrenched in last nights results, or entombed? ;-)
He'll make sure to elect "constitutional conservative" SCOTUS and could elect up to 4 !
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There is no point to the LDs. The last thing they want is to actually do anything, they do not want to be in government, they ran away from the last one they were in. Clegg was deputy Prime Minister. That was not good enough for them. To sustain themselves in local govt they were just 2 faced.
I agree with all of that Im giving them a way back - find principle and go back to that. They have nothing to lose so they might as well. With Farron going on about legalising Cannabis for medicinal use. Go the whole way Liberal way on legalising cannabis. Say that in the PCC elections a vote for a Lib Dem PCC will mean that that PCC will instruct local plod to ignore (ok 'deprioritise') possession of Cannabis in their PCC area. Bang news profile. phone-in talk shows Lib Dems everywhere looking relevant. Doesn't matter its not going to get them 20% in the polls right now they are 6% and facing Jim Gilmore like status. This would get them somewhere at least.
Just meaning the midpoint between the online & phone polls as the "true" position doesn't make much sense to me. I'm not even convinced the current position is more likely than not to be within the range bounded by the phone/online polling figures.
@Richard_Tyndall
But they don't seem to have any principles and hence I don't see they have any purpose.
Mine was a Spartan if they do find principles. They may or may not have deep down somewhere only CERN or the folk who found Gravitation Waves can detect. No matter. No one is paying them serious attention anyhow. So they can use this time to come up with some. Shhhh.
Contrast PM's speech in #Hamburg extolling virtues of UK remaining in #EU & cabinet requirement of neutrality until negotiations concluded
We all know it, you know it. The rest is journalists filling column inches to create a faux contest.
And often, it flew in the face of local election results.
We are delighted to launch @US_Votes, following the US Presidential Election and Primary Season!
Random question for anyone not just for @casino_royale !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-35560515
You won't be winning majorities on 37 per cent forever. Do you want those votes to go to New Corbyn Labour?
For that to work that 11% would have to be existing Conservative voters who would switch to 'New Corbyn Labour.' Is there any evidence for this stampede?
The Lib Dems will be remembered for reneging on their key 2010 manifesto pledge & trying to be in government and opposition at the same time.
Mainly because the balance of power now lies with some independent-minded Tory MPs (the Heidi Allens and Johnny Mercers), who frankly have more spine than the Lib Dem MPs had in the last parliament. I doubt the tax credit cuts would've been stopped if the Coalition was still going.
EXCL: Thirteen ministers have pledged to campaign to leave the EU, Brexit MPs say - 1 in 8 of Tory front bench; http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6928178/Rebellion-looming-THIRTEEN-government-ministers-will-reject-PMs-EU-renegotiation-deal.html …
Apologies. I know you have, rightly, a thing about replies to quotes. Alas its late and im not the best at this sort of tech and so am making a right Jeremy Corbyn of it. Sorry!
Edit - the 'collars' don't seem to match the 'cuffs'. I would have thought that someone as rich as The Donald would have had a bespoke merkin.
BREAKING: New SC Presidential Primary Poll released!
This latest survey of likely SC GOP Presidential Primary voters is a result
of our Caucus’ intense voter analytics effort for the upcoming election cycle.
Out of 1200+ SC statewide likely Republican voters
February 11th -12th
Bush 13%
Carson 5%
Cruz 15.5%
Kasich 8.5%
Rubio 12.5%
Trump 34.5%
Undecided 11%
http://schousegop.org/sc-poll-results/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeFTuW6stE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfzWK2XVt00
There's no other genre that irritates more.
It's a shame when you think of great Tory ministers of the past that it's now come to this - ministers as shambolic and clueless as Hunt and Grayling. Even between them the whelk stall would be too much.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/12/hospitals-jeremy-hunt-junior-doctors-contract?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lu4SbebpuE
Interesting Facts
90% of adults say they used to play outside in the street as kids. Only 29% of kids do so today.
It will be the nastiness of the Booers that will do for them in the end. I think it unlikely that LEAVE will win, because undecided are likely to vote for the status quo.....and that's probably the best result in the end ..
Habib Koite - din din wo is a nice song that's a little out of the ordinary
This leaped out
"natesilver: I mean, this talk about how Bush “beat expectations” is pretty ridiculous. So far, Jeb! has replicated Rudy Giuliani’s numbers almost exactly. Rudy got 4 percent and finished in sixth place in Iowa. Bush got 3 percent and finished in sixth place. Rudy got 9 percent and finished in fourth place in New Hampshire. Jeb got 11 percent and finished in fourth.
Giuliani is widely regarded as having run one of the most embarrassing campaigns in presidential history. You can certainly say that Rubio blew it, and when we see reporting suggesting that some Republican party elites think that too, that’s valuable to know.
But you can’t credibly say that Jeb’s campaign has been anything other than a miserable failure so far."
Bush has overtaken Rubio and catching up with Cruz.
Trump will win of course but if Bush comes 2nd he has the big mo.
The plonky piano and discordant brass makes me wince.
The Guardian front page, Saturday 13 February 2016: British ‘Alcatraz’ plan for Islamist terrorists pic.twitter.com/Njgh8nYHF
Government considers single secure jail unit for Islamist terrorists
Proposal to replace dispersal system with British ‘Alcatraz’ to house convicted terrorists has alarmed prison chiefs
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/12/government-considers-single-supermax-jail-islamist-terrorists
http://youtu.be/A4vV5_ViE4w
Need I go on?
.@jasonrileywsj: "@realDonaldTrump beat @tedcruz among Evangelicals in New Hampshire." #SpecialReport https://t.co/m7pHwtbMmM
I was born in the 80s. There was some good music in the 90s, but compared to today the progress of life was boring and slow. It took ages to book a holiday or complete a transaction for anything that your local high st didn't sell. I might have had a frightfully provincial upbringing, but one just didn't encounter the foods (either in restaurants or shops) that one does now. Eating out was expensive. Coffee was DISGUSTING almost everywhere.
In case you missed it many Eurosceptics on here have, since the election, tuned their back on the party. It was never anything more than a tool to us to achieve an aim and whilst it had some success it certainly wasn't enough to keep us supporting it in its current form.
You see that is the difference between sensible people and idiot party fanatics like you. We don't believe in party right or wrong. I still hope UKIP will disappear once LEAVE have won the referendum. They are really no more useful than the Lib Dems. The difference being they will actually have achieved something unlike your sorry excuse for a party.
I visited there a few years ago. Grim.