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    Speedy said:


    Trump 44+6
    Cruz 17 0
    Carson 10 +1
    Rubio 10 -5
    Bush 8 +2
    Kasich 4 +2

    And someone else 1 -5.

    I read that as a straight transfer from Christie and Fiorina to Trump with Rubio's vote splintering between Bush and Kasich (plus a bit to Trump).
    Christie voters go to Trump? Well, I suppose they are both loud.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...''

    At the same time Speccie sales are at a record high. It must be rather galling.
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    TOPPING said:

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    TOPPING said:


    This is what I don't understand about many Leavers (and I might be one myself). On specific sectors they say we need to leave the EU because we don't have any influence. But that begs the question as to whether they think we would somehow have more influence outside? It's slightly barmy.

    If I vote Leave it will be because I am against ever closer union (even with the opt-out enshrined in the Negotiating Text).

    But I would fully expect to have land on my doorstep rules and regulations, into which I would have had limited if any input, about all kinds of things, that I know I would have to follow if I wanted to trade with the EU.

    There are a number of elements to this.

    1. If we were outside the EU and inside EFTA then the only rules that would apply to the UK would be those related to the single market. Vast swathes of the most contentious and damaging rules would no longer apply. This in itself for me is reason enough immediately to choose out.

    2. As a member of EFTA/EEA we would have as much if not more influence on single market policy than we do now.

    3. Currently we have very limited influence or rights at organisations such as the WTO where the EU speaks for us in a previously agreed unified position whether we like it or not. Thre are many supranational bodies setting global standards where this applies. Norway on the other hand has a vote and a veto since EFTA does not have a enforced single voice.

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/busting-norway-myth.html

    Basically inside or outside the EU there are standards we have to abide by in world trade. But they apply to trade alone and not to the other vast swathes of policy where currently we are subservient to the EU.
    Thank you Richard.
    Of course it is worth adding that I have completely ignored the immigration issue in my answer. For me the only sensible way to go after leaving the EU is membership of EFTA and I understand that that means that our immigration situation would be effectively no different to what it is now.

    I realise I am in a minority in taking this position and that if my wishes do win out and we leave the EU it will almost certainly be due to the migration issue and that after that there will be a lot of people unhappy with joining EFTA. I can't do anything about that except fight my corner and accept that I am in all likelihood relying on a sentiment I do not share to win the day.

    I contend there is a rational and coherent argument for leaving the EU which does not involve the migration issue. I am just not sure anyone is going to listen to it in the current climate.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    Why Cruz specifically? Is it a nutters alliance?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    The M6 Toll road has been put for sale for nearly £2bn, the BBC understands.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35553865

    Perhaps the new owners might actually have a business brain i.e. perhaps some simple stuff like offer season passes. The current 10% discount if you are a regular user and prepay is a joke.

    That is an "interesting" valuation given it loses £25 million a year. Even turning that to a £25 million profit is only a 1.25% yield...

    Certainly not where I'd invest £2 Bn !!
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    GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    If I were a member of her family I would be asking asking how the hell she ended up in the situation in the first place though. I would expect an asylum centre filled with young men not to have young ladies working there in any capacity, given what we know about he behaviour of some of these immigrants.
    Because she was an overly emotional woman who cared more for "virtue signalling" about the poor muslim invaders child refugees than thinking about her own safety.

    Lifes like that, most people only learn when bad things happen to them, hence shitty council estates with forth generation unemployed etc because the welfare state shields people from their own bad decisions.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    Why Cruz specifically? Is it a nutters alliance?
    Both outside the mainstream non Trump candidates heavy on the whole God thing.
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    As a Guardian buyer, it p*sses me off that Milne is still allowed to retain a voluntary leave connection.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/02/seumas-milne-expected-guardian-endorse-jeremy-corbyn-and-felt-very-let-down
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    There are some real insights into Hillary's "problem with women" here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-2016-woman-problem-213621

    "women in general don’t vote for other women purely based on gender. ... They didn’t do it in the 1970s; they didn’t do it in the 80s; they didn’t do it in the 90s. Why do we all expect them to do it this year?"

    "I can see why a young woman might look at the world today and fail to see the urgency of having a woman in office. Older women ... not only know the candidate better, but they have also suffered longer from gender discrimination"

    "To the dismay of the “shoulder pad” feminists, millennial women are dismissing out of hand [the] belief that there’s a homogeneity to the female experience. ... These millennial women, the best educated and most information savvy women in the history of the world, say unequivocally that the conditions that shape women’s lives—housing, criminal justice policy, educational opportunity, employment—cut one way if you’re rich, white and gliding through the corridors of power. And they cut another way altogether if you are not. The yawning divide between Hillary Clinton, a powerful women who wants to lead, and younger, less powerful female Americans whose support she took for granted, has never been more brutally apparent."

    "even Clinton’s digital communication has been tone deaf when it comes to millennial women. “My daughters get emails from the Sanders campaign urging them to join the fight for income equality and immigrant rights and free college for all. The ones from Hillary say ‘let Hillary know you stand with her’ and ‘Wish Hillary a Happy Birthday,’” says Molly Gordy, a longtime feminist from Manhattan who is old enough to have young adult daughters. “So who would you vote for—someone leading a movement, or a someone who comes off like a narcissist feeding their disorder? It’s a PR disaster.”"

    "It’s not about discounting the struggles women have faced in the past. Or anything Freudian. “I’m in my 20’s and I absolutely admire my mother,” [I want] a candidate who seems less compromised."

    "“intersectionality.” The word is shorthand for the idea that it’s impossible to separate social identities, or the oppression that surrounds them. Clinton may be a woman, but she is also white—and thus privileged. When Gloria Steinem and Madeline Albright stand up for Clinton and urge young women to get behind her, they seem understandably shocked that women aren’t rallying together to help break through another final, uncracked pane of the glass ceiling. When a modern campus feminist watches the same scene, she sees a group of older, privileged white women circling the wagons around one of their own."

    "To many on the left, then, Clinton’s gender is simply not enough to make her exciting. She doesn’t belong to enough categories of disenfranchised people. ... the ways Clinton does fit into the establishment outweigh the way she doesn’t."
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    I don't think that Carson is in the mood for any deals with Cruz after Iowa.
    Especially after entering the audition stage for Trump's VP:

    The Daily BeastVerified account ‏@thedailybeast Feb 9
    Ben Carson told Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto he is "open" to being Donald Trump's vice-presidential pick http://thebea.st/1PMv8xE
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    Speedy said:


    Trump 44+6
    Cruz 17 0
    Carson 10 +1
    Rubio 10 -5
    Bush 8 +2
    Kasich 4 +2

    And someone else 1 -5.

    I read that as a straight transfer from Christie and Fiorina to Trump with Rubio's vote splintering between Bush and Kasich (plus a bit to Trump).
    Christie voters go to Trump? Well, I suppose they are both loud.
    That makes sense. They're both "moderates" !
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    isamisam Posts: 41,010

    In the cricket, what's the South African's TSE-style shirts? Is it a charity thing?

    Breast cancer awareness I think.. last time they wore it ABV got 149 off 44 balls
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited February 2016
    Is anybody going to miss the Indy? I can't say I will. I hardly ever look on their website and only time I have read it is in hotels where it is often a freebie.

    I wouldn't say the same about the Guardian, I actually read that / regularly view the website.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited February 2016
    I was in the 4th form at school and subscribed to the launch editions of the Indy. IIRC it was eight weeks. I posted a coupon and gave cash to the local newsagent.

    I didn't like the partisan nature of the Torygraph as was, Times seemed to be always on strike and the rest were just as bad.

    Then it got really snobbish about royal stories that mattered, loved dead seagulls and lost the plot.

    It doesn't deserve to survive. It bears no resemblance to its origins.

    I laughed out loud reading a Sherlock short story yesterday. Watson correctly identified a quote as from the Telegraph, this was over 100 yrs ago. That's readership consistency.
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    dyingswan said:

    With the cuts at the Guardian and the rumours about the end for the Independent I am coming to the conclusion that the end is nigh for much of Fleet Street. It makes their attitude to fellow newspapers at the Levison enquiry even more incomprehensible. The Guardians circulation is now down to 185000 which is less than the Daily Record in Scotland. Put another way, if you walk along a street in the UK and see 240 adults one would actually have bought a copy of the Guardian. This is not viable for much longer. Seumas Milne may be better off out.I look forward to the Guardian headline "Brutal cuts-Tories urged to save newspaper"

    How much of the Guardian "circulation" of 185,000 is actually bought - and how much of it freebies?
    Independent closes on March 26th.... http://order-order.com/2016/02/12/confirmed-indy-closing-march-26th/

    Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,157
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    Why Cruz specifically? Is it a nutters alliance?
    Both outside the mainstream non Trump candidates heavy on the whole God thing.
    It all looks a bit futile now. In a field of 3 Trump would surely be polling over 50% already.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    I don't think that Carson is in the mood for any deals with Cruz after Iowa.
    Especially after entering the audition stage for Trump's VP:

    The Daily BeastVerified account ‏@thedailybeast Feb 9
    Ben Carson told Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto he is "open" to being Donald Trump's vice-presidential pick http://thebea.st/1PMv8xE
    Trump-Carson.

    That'd be the best P-VP combo of all time. It is just so far out there !!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209

    Sandpit said:

    We pay the bar bill for the mean girls. Been saying this for many months.

    It's so bleeding obvious, and insulting. A bit of self respect is required here.

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:


    Dave badly needs some of those advisors back if his performance in the last fortnight is anything to go by, he has been suffering from a lack of serious opposition under JC's Labour and is now losing the plot on the EU 'deal'.

    Not easy, though, if these advisors look at what he has got so far, then look at the entrenched positions of those in Brussels and other European capitals - and tell him:

    "Oh sod it, let's just leave...."
    Well that's pretty much my view. The PM tried to get a deal but the EU seem not just disinterested but actively hostile to sensible reforms and as determined as ever to bash the City.

    Why should we want be a member of a club that doesn't want us except for our money? Edit: and a large trade deficit. If they want us in their single market they should be paying us!!
    LOL at that analogy!

    It comprehensively misses the point.

    One side exports c15+% of its exports to the other. The other side exports c40+% of its exports to the other*. Which needs to make exports to the other more badly?


    *Exact percentages are really not all that relevant, by any measure the one side is proportionately far greater than the other.
    But you could change the denominator to the business making the exports. Yes, the exports to the EU from Britain are important to those businesses involved, but there's still a greater amount of business going the other way. Companies in the EU exporting to us will still want to export to us even if we're no longer in the EU.
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    The stepbrother of a man who accused a string of Establishment figures of historical sex abuse says he is a serial liar who 'jumped on the bandwagon' to make money.

    A man named only as 'Nick' claimed former army chief Lord Bramall, ex-home secretary Lord

    'Nick's' stepbrother has described claims he was taken from the family home in Wiltshire to London in order to be sexually abused by senior Whitehall figures as 'bizarre' and 'absolute nonsense'.

    He says the family only visited London once, on a trip to the Natural History Museum.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3443490/Stepbrother-VIP-paedophile-ring-accuser-says-serial-liar.html

    Again, you would have thought this stuff would be easily to check within days or weeks. It is bit like William Roache case where some casual checking of records should have stopped it ever getting to trial i.e. "I was picked up in his car model x and taken to his house at ....", checks records of cars and homes owned by Roache, nope doesn't match. Asks for records on when on set, hmm was on set all that day...

    We do need a bit of leeway. Would you remember the make and model of someone else's car you got into? If something like that happened once, you would think that the day would stick in the mind but if it was repeated several times then they could easily be confused. Obviously, though, the less reliable detail someone can come up with, the harder it is to confirm.
    I agree to a certain extent. You could absolutely confuse the model of a car. However, if you look back at the trial, these kind of details were consistency wrong time and time and time again. My point was the CPS / plod seemed somehow shocked that this might just be a problem with their case. The defence literally found every single story so full of holes it was embarrassing, wrong car, houses in areas Roche had never lived, on days when he was at work etc etc etc.

    And it seems from the step brothers statement in these other cases that it shouldn't have taken long to check out quite a few details that wouldn't have stacked up.

    It isn't that the plod shouldn't investigate, it is they appears to takes years to check out stuff that shouldn't take too long and / or have ignored bigger plot holes than the new Star Wars film.
    I'd agree with all that. Whether to believe someone is nearly always a judgement call if the facts don't match the claim: are they lying, are they confused or are the 'facts' themselves unreliable? We seem to have gone too far from implicitly believing authority without checking its assertions, to treating any complaint as a conviction.
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    MTimT said:

    "To many on the left, then, Clinton’s gender is simply not enough to make her exciting. She doesn’t belong to enough categories of disenfranchised people. ... the ways Clinton does fit into the establishment outweigh the way she doesn’t."

    Amusing that the answer to that conundrum is ... Bernie Sanders.
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    HRC's problem is she will now be doing the big pander to blacks in order to win the nomination, which she will. This will make her toxic to the rest of America who are pretty fed up with black dysfunction. Sanders chances remain slim to none, at the end of the day he remains a New York socialist.

    Nice bump for Trump that, good favourables too as well as continuing strong backing from independents. Can he crack the big 50 in SC? The late Lee Atwater's people are running his campaign there, so no reason why not. Really just a question now of which states he won't win.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    The Trump juggernaut seems to be picking up steam. Wonder how far he'll be ahead in this afternoon's South Carolina polling.
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    Speedy said:

    I don't think that Carson is in the mood for any deals with Cruz after Iowa.
    Especially after entering the audition stage for Trump's VP:

    The Daily BeastVerified account ‏@thedailybeast Feb 9
    Ben Carson told Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto he is "open" to being Donald Trump's vice-presidential pick http://thebea.st/1PMv8xE

    Trump would be insane to choose Carson. He needs someone experienced in Washington, who can do the presidential spade-work while Trump does the TV appearances.
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    taffys said:

    ''Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...''

    At the same time Speccie sales are at a record high. It must be rather galling.

    But that's the point. I don't think there's even a medium-term market for daily news in paper form. There is, however, a market for quality analysis, comment and non-time-critical investigation. The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.
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    Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz's team have pulled a campaign TV advert after it emerged it featured a former porn star.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1640849/presidential-race-ad-pulled-over-ex-porn-star
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    LondonBob said:

    HRC's problem is she will now be doing the big pander to blacks in order to win the nomination, which she will. This will make her toxic to the rest of America who are pretty fed up with black dysfunction. Sanders chances remain slim to none, at the end of the day he remains a New York socialist.

    Nice bump for Trump that, good favourables too as well as continuing strong backing from independents. Can he crack the big 50 in SC? The late Lee Atwater's people are running his campaign there, so no reason why not. Really just a question now of which states he won't win.

    Texas ?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    NS sales doing well too. I'm reluctant to pay £76 for the Spectator. I bought a copy years ago and thought Meh.

    Maybe I need to give it a chance. I've cancelled my Private Eye. Boring and getting lefty.
    taffys said:

    ''Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...''

    At the same time Speccie sales are at a record high. It must be rather galling.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953

    The M6 Toll road has been put for sale for nearly £2bn, the BBC understands.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35553865

    Perhaps the new owners might actually have a business brain i.e. perhaps some simple stuff like offer season passes. The current 10% discount if you are a regular user and prepay is a joke.

    Since when has it been 8 lanes, as described in the article?
    £2bn sounds hugely overvalued given their revenues and losses. My personal view would be that the optimum revenue would be at a lower price for cars than at present, with serious discounts for regular users, off peak travel and season tickets available. A really innovative new owner might want to lobby government to use the road as a test bed for a higher but better enforced speed limit system, for example post the limit at 90 but give tickets at 95, or use the variable limit system as on the M42 but allow higher speeds when the road is quiet.
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    My own selfish thought about the closure of the Indy/IOS is will they continue with their ComRes poll.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    On topic, the other major threat to a Hillary presidency still remain the emails scandal. From leaks yesterday, it is looking a near certainty that at least one, but probably two or three, of her top aides at State, who happens to be a top aide in her campaign, is going to be indicted at some point in the near future.

    If this article (and it's from Politico, not some darkly anti-Clinton right-wing hatchet job web site) is correct, Jake Sullivan initiated most of the email threads which contained classified information, but Hillary responded to some of them too. I am not sure that that is enough to get her indicted, but now (if true) she owns some of responsibility for transmitting, not just storing in an inappropriate manner, classified information, including it would see Top Secret communications.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-email-jake-sullivan-secret-219013
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited February 2016
    ''The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.''

    The plain fact is the Independent was running stories and articles people didn't want to read, from angles they not only didn;t agree with, but also didn;t feel were mainstream.

    That is why the Indie is going out of business, period.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    "To many on the left, then, Clinton’s gender is simply not enough to make her exciting. She doesn’t belong to enough categories of disenfranchised people. ... the ways Clinton does fit into the establishment outweigh the way she doesn’t."

    Amusing that the answer to that conundrum is ... Bernie Sanders.
    Much about this campaign is amusing, indeed, and would be more so were it not for the stakes.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Would the FBI offer deals for info in such a sensitive area?

    I'd imagine a grand jury is only a whisker away here.
    MTimT said:

    On topic, the other major threat to a Hillary presidency still remain the emails scandal. From leaks yesterday, it is looking a near certainty that at least one, but probably two or three, of her top aides at State, who happens to be a top aide in her campaign, is going to be indicted at some point in the near future.

    If this article (and it's from Politico, not some darkly anti-Clinton right-wing hatchet job web site) is correct, Jake Sullivan initiated most of the email threads which contained classified information, but Hillary responded to some of them too. I am not sure that that is enough to get her indicted, but now (if true) she owns some of responsibility for transmitting, not just storing in an inappropriate manner, classified information, including it would see Top Secret communications.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-email-jake-sullivan-secret-219013

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    Speedy said:

    I don't think that Carson is in the mood for any deals with Cruz after Iowa.
    Especially after entering the audition stage for Trump's VP:

    The Daily BeastVerified account ‏@thedailybeast Feb 9
    Ben Carson told Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto he is "open" to being Donald Trump's vice-presidential pick http://thebea.st/1PMv8xE

    Trump would be insane to choose Carson. He needs someone experienced in Washington, who can do the presidential spade-work while Trump does the TV appearances.
    If anything happened to Trump, Ben Carson would be the most powerful man in the world.

    Just contemplate that for a couple of seconds.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Sandpit said:

    The M6 Toll road has been put for sale for nearly £2bn, the BBC understands.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35553865

    Perhaps the new owners might actually have a business brain i.e. perhaps some simple stuff like offer season passes. The current 10% discount if you are a regular user and prepay is a joke.

    Since when has it been 8 lanes, as described in the article?
    £2bn sounds hugely overvalued given their revenues and losses. My personal view would be that the optimum revenue would be at a lower price for cars than at present, with serious discounts for regular users, off peak travel and season tickets available. A really innovative new owner might want to lobby government to use the road as a test bed for a higher but better enforced speed limit system, for example post the limit at 90 but give tickets at 95, or use the variable limit system as on the M42 but allow higher speeds when the road is quiet.
    Or lobby the government to generate artificial traffic jams on the M6 by putting the variable speed limit to 40 mph all day every day!
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    Pulpstar said:

    LondonBob said:

    HRC's problem is she will now be doing the big pander to blacks in order to win the nomination, which she will. This will make her toxic to the rest of America who are pretty fed up with black dysfunction. Sanders chances remain slim to none, at the end of the day he remains a New York socialist.

    Nice bump for Trump that, good favourables too as well as continuing strong backing from independents. Can he crack the big 50 in SC? The late Lee Atwater's people are running his campaign there, so no reason why not. Really just a question now of which states he won't win.

    Texas ?
    Utah would still be my best guess, Mormons. I actually think Trump will take Texas, be close either way.
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    This is a good article on Hillary's strategic dilemma:

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html
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    Sandpit said:

    The M6 Toll road has been put for sale for nearly £2bn, the BBC understands.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35553865

    Perhaps the new owners might actually have a business brain i.e. perhaps some simple stuff like offer season passes. The current 10% discount if you are a regular user and prepay is a joke.

    Since when has it been 8 lanes, as described in the article?
    £2bn sounds hugely overvalued given their revenues and losses. My personal view would be that the optimum revenue would be at a lower price for cars than at present, with serious discounts for regular users, off peak travel and season tickets available. A really innovative new owner might want to lobby government to use the road as a test bed for a higher but better enforced speed limit system, for example post the limit at 90 but give tickets at 95, or use the variable limit system as on the M42 but allow higher speeds when the road is quiet.
    A variable speed limit would be expensive because of the need for gantries and signs etc.
    Is the toll 2 lanes or 3 each side - I forget? If only 2 then a 90 limit might be a bit high - otherwise a good idea.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Brain surgeon killer as VP. With added God.

    Isn't it perfect :smiley:
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    I don't think that Carson is in the mood for any deals with Cruz after Iowa.
    Especially after entering the audition stage for Trump's VP:

    The Daily BeastVerified account ‏@thedailybeast Feb 9
    Ben Carson told Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto he is "open" to being Donald Trump's vice-presidential pick http://thebea.st/1PMv8xE
    Trump-Carson.

    That'd be the best P-VP combo of all time. It is just so far out there !!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    Brain surgeon killer as VP. With added God.

    Isn't it perfect :smiley:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    I don't think that Carson is in the mood for any deals with Cruz after Iowa.
    Especially after entering the audition stage for Trump's VP:

    The Daily BeastVerified account ‏@thedailybeast Feb 9
    Ben Carson told Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto he is "open" to being Donald Trump's vice-presidential pick http://thebea.st/1PMv8xE
    Trump-Carson.

    That'd be the best P-VP combo of all time. It is just so far out there !!
    How big would the meltdown be on Twitter ?
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    Is anybody going to miss the Indy? I can't say I will. I hardly ever look on their website and only time I have read it is in hotels where it is often a freebie.

    I wouldn't say the same about the Guardian, I actually read that / regularly view the website.

    Does this deal now break the link between the 'i' and the Indy? I always assumed (because I read neither) that the 'i' was just a précis of stories by Indy journalists.
    How do Johnson Press (assuming they are not cider makers) expect to make money out of the 'i'?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953

    Sandpit said:

    The M6 Toll road has been put for sale for nearly £2bn, the BBC understands.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35553865

    Perhaps the new owners might actually have a business brain i.e. perhaps some simple stuff like offer season passes. The current 10% discount if you are a regular user and prepay is a joke.

    Since when has it been 8 lanes, as described in the article?
    £2bn sounds hugely overvalued given their revenues and losses. My personal view would be that the optimum revenue would be at a lower price for cars than at present, with serious discounts for regular users, off peak travel and season tickets available. A really innovative new owner might want to lobby government to use the road as a test bed for a higher but better enforced speed limit system, for example post the limit at 90 but give tickets at 95, or use the variable limit system as on the M42 but allow higher speeds when the road is quiet.
    A variable speed limit would be expensive because of the need for gantries and signs etc.
    Is the toll 2 lanes or 3 each side - I forget? If only 2 then a 90 limit might be a bit high - otherwise a good idea.
    It's 3 lanes each side for most of its length, except the bit running parallel with the M42 which is 2, 3 or 4 depending on how and where you measure. Most of the time the average speed is well over 90 anyway, the road is empty and the biggest hazard is watching for distant police cars. Most of the users are in decent modern cars and high mileage drivers. It would be a great trial for a British Autobahn if done properly.

    On a similar note, does anyone know what happened to the plan to extend the toll road north towards Manchester?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,599
    Pulpstar said:

    A list of Tories who were SDPers would be amusing.

    Danny Fink was one IIRC

    Ken Clarke, same thing. Never a Tory.

    Ken Clarke was an SDPer???
    Grayling is the odd one.

    Soubry reminds us that being rude feisty and being in the political centre are not incompatible.
    She reminds me that adopting a 'ballsy woman' pose is not incompatible with being a party sycophant.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    LondonBob said:

    HRC's problem is she will now be doing the big pander to blacks in order to win the nomination, which she will. This will make her toxic to the rest of America who are pretty fed up with black dysfunction. Sanders chances remain slim to none, at the end of the day he remains a New York socialist.

    Nice bump for Trump that, good favourables too as well as continuing strong backing from independents. Can he crack the big 50 in SC? The late Lee Atwater's people are running his campaign there, so no reason why not. Really just a question now of which states he won't win.

    Sanders leads Trump by 9. 7% in the latest RCP poll average and only trails Rubio by 1% while Hillary only leads Trump by 4. 7% and trails Rubio by 4. 2%. Sanders is also the only candidate from either side with a net favourable rating in the latest Morning Consult poll
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    It'd be hilarious. I quite like Carson - he's so Oprah, but Trump needs an insider to simply navigate the day job.
    Pulpstar said:

    Brain surgeon killer as VP. With added God.

    Isn't it perfect :smiley:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Remarkable that Carson is polling so well still.

    Cruz needs to do a deal with him.

    I don't think that Carson is in the mood for any deals with Cruz after Iowa.
    Especially after entering the audition stage for Trump's VP:

    The Daily BeastVerified account ‏@thedailybeast Feb 9
    Ben Carson told Fox Business Network host Neil Cavuto he is "open" to being Donald Trump's vice-presidential pick http://thebea.st/1PMv8xE
    Trump-Carson.

    That'd be the best P-VP combo of all time. It is just so far out there !!
    How big would the meltdown be on Twitter ?
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    taffys said:

    ''The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.''

    The plain fact is the Independent was running stories and articles people didn't want to read, from angles they not only didn;t agree with, but also didn;t feel were mainstream.

    That is why the Indie is going out of business, period.

    Leftie papers losing readers. The Independent started out as a republican alternative to the Telegraph and then at some point turned into another Guardian... The editor of the Independent even claimed that they were not left wing.... Did he read his own paper?
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    Is anybody going to miss the Indy? I can't say I will. I hardly ever look on their website and only time I have read it is in hotels where it is often a freebie.

    I wouldn't say the same about the Guardian, I actually read that / regularly view the website.

    Does this deal now break the link between the 'i' and the Indy? I always assumed (because I read neither) that the 'i' was just a précis of stories by Indy journalists.
    How do Johnson Press (assuming they are not cider makers) expect to make money out of the 'i'?
    The 'i' does effectively what you say, so I have no idea how the new owners are going to generate content. I would presume the obvious would be to licence it. I know the Metro is owned by Daily Mail Group, but I think they licence a lot of the content from other sources.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953
    edited February 2016
    SA really chose to bowl in a day/night match?

    Surely a field full of pink pyjamas would be more difficult for England under the lights?
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    I'm going to miss the Indy. They sensibly endorsed the Tories at the last election (well a continuation of the coalition)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    taffys said:

    ''The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.''

    The plain fact is the Independent was running stories and articles people didn't want to read, from angles they not only didn;t agree with, but also didn;t feel were mainstream.

    That is why the Indie is going out of business, period.

    Leftie papers losing readers. The Independent started out as a republican alternative to the Telegraph and then at some point turned into another Guardian... The editor of the Independent even claimed that they were not left wing.... Did he read his own paper?
    The Guardian has far more readers online than in print
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited February 2016
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    The M6 Toll road has been put for sale for nearly £2bn, the BBC understands.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35553865

    Perhaps the new owners might actually have a business brain i.e. perhaps some simple stuff like offer season passes. The current 10% discount if you are a regular user and prepay is a joke.

    Since when has it been 8 lanes, as described in the article?
    £2bn sounds hugely overvalued given their revenues and losses. My personal view would be that the optimum revenue would be at a lower price for cars than at present, with serious discounts for regular users, off peak travel and season tickets available. A really innovative new owner might want to lobby government to use the road as a test bed for a higher but better enforced speed limit system, for example post the limit at 90 but give tickets at 95, or use the variable limit system as on the M42 but allow higher speeds when the road is quiet.
    A variable speed limit would be expensive because of the need for gantries and signs etc.
    Is the toll 2 lanes or 3 each side - I forget? If only 2 then a 90 limit might be a bit high - otherwise a good idea.
    It's 3 lanes each side for most of its length, except the bit running parallel with the M42 which is 2, 3 or 4 depending on how and where you measure. Most of the time the average speed is well over 90 anyway, the road is empty and the biggest hazard is watching for distant police cars. Most of the users are in decent modern cars and high mileage drivers. It would be a great trial for a British Autobahn if done properly.

    On a similar note, does anyone know what happened to the plan to extend the toll road north towards Manchester?
    They scrapped the idea of extension, instead going for the "4th lane" idea where they use the hard shoulder and average speed cameras...as is already on the M42.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    edited February 2016
    Sanders big problem in South Carolina is that there are alot of conservative black people there who would simply never vote republican in the DEM primary (54% of voters iirc)

    Hilary is thus the only choice.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-black-establishment-chooses-clinton/
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I'm still WTFery with this, he painted the Queen! :neutral:

    Alleged offences against Rolf Harris date from 1971 to 2004 & relate to 7 complainants aged between 12 and 27 at time of alleged offending.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    The problem with the M6 Toll is it doesn't really go anyway useful. I regularly drive up the M6 for football and unless the M6 was closed south of Toll I wouldn't consider using the Toll. If they extended the Toll north to Manchester it might attract a bit more traffic - but that would be expensive.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133

    I was in the 4th form at school and subscribed to the launch editions of the Indy. IIRC it was eight weeks. I posted a coupon and gave cash to the local newsagent.

    I didn't like the partisan nature of the Torygraph as was, Times seemed to be always on strike and the rest were just as bad.

    Then it got really snobbish about royal stories that mattered, loved dead seagulls and lost the plot.

    It doesn't deserve to survive. It bears no resemblance to its origins.

    I laughed out loud reading a Sherlock short story yesterday. Watson correctly identified a quote as from the Telegraph, this was over 100 yrs ago. That's readership consistency.

    eek said:

    dyingswan said:

    With the cuts at the Guardian and the rumours about the end for the Independent I am coming to the conclusion that the end is nigh for much of Fleet Street. It makes their attitude to fellow newspapers at the Levison enquiry even more incomprehensible. The Guardians circulation is now down to 185000 which is less than the Daily Record in Scotland. Put another way, if you walk along a street in the UK and see 240 adults one would actually have bought a copy of the Guardian. This is not viable for much longer. Seumas Milne may be better off out.I look forward to the Guardian headline "Brutal cuts-Tories urged to save newspaper"

    How much of the Guardian "circulation" of 185,000 is actually bought - and how much of it freebies?
    Independent closes on March 26th.... http://order-order.com/2016/02/12/confirmed-indy-closing-march-26th/

    Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...
    I like their Travel section and the photographs of the day/week
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    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    This is a good article on Hillary's strategic dilemma:

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html

    Agreed. Matt Bai is usually good value.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    tlg86 said:

    The problem with the M6 Toll is it doesn't really go anyway useful. I regularly drive up the M6 for football and unless the M6 was closed south of Toll I wouldn't consider using the Toll. If they extended the Toll north to Manchester it might attract a bit more traffic - but that would be expensive.

    I've ended up on it by mistake a couple of times, I reckon thats a fair % of it's users - the signing before the Toll is a bit unclear...
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133

    Is anybody going to miss the Indy? I can't say I will. I hardly ever look on their website and only time I have read it is in hotels where it is often a freebie.

    I wouldn't say the same about the Guardian, I actually read that / regularly view the website.

    Does this deal now break the link between the 'i' and the Indy? I always assumed (because I read neither) that the 'i' was just a précis of stories by Indy journalists.
    How do Johnson Press (assuming they are not cider makers) expect to make money out of the 'i'?
    The 'i' does effectively what you say, so I have no idea how the new owners are going to generate content. I would presume the obvious would be to licence it. I know the Metro is owned by Daily Mail Group, but I think they licence a lot of the content from other sources.
    They will put all the rubbish from Scotsman and their local Scottish papers in it to ensure no-one reads it
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Want to feel really old?

    Official Bagpuss
    Happy Birthday, Bagpuss! 42 years young today!

    #Bagpuss https://t.co/WmJQrYYPlf
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    OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    watford30 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why are all the ex pat scots here so furious about Swinney's Tory-lite policies in the Scottish money seat ?

    I'd have thought you'd all be very happy with him ! :)

    They are all bitter and twisted, failed in Scotland and had to seek easier pastures to "make it" in life. Lightweights with a grievance.
    Malky's referring to Salmond and the 54.

    Lost the IndyRef and headed south to the Westminster trough.
    As Sturgeon's campaign is beginning to stutter and unexpectedly look as it is about come off the rails, rumour has it that Salmond is just about to announce his non come back: "If nominated I'll decline. If drafted I'll defer. And if elected I'll resign." again.
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    Is anybody going to miss the Indy? I can't say I will. I hardly ever look on their website and only time I have read it is in hotels where it is often a freebie.

    I wouldn't say the same about the Guardian, I actually read that / regularly view the website.

    Where would the BBC get its line to take without the Guardian?
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    Former Test umpire Asad Rauf has been banned for five years after being found guilty of corruption charges.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/35558872
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    tlg86 said:

    The problem with the M6 Toll is it doesn't really go anyway useful. I regularly drive up the M6 for football and unless the M6 was closed south of Toll I wouldn't consider using the Toll. If they extended the Toll north to Manchester it might attract a bit more traffic - but that would be expensive.

    The M6 Toll is very relaxing, fast road, little traffic, worth £5 or so to avoid spag junction.

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    I'm still WTFery with this, he painted the Queen! :neutral:

    Alleged offences against Rolf Harris date from 1971 to 2004 & relate to 7 complainants aged between 12 and 27 at time of alleged offending.

    The surveyor of the Queen's pictures was a traitorous pig dog defector of a Ruskie spy
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,298
    edited February 2016

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Mr Khan does seem very unfortunate when it comes to issues of the views of his childhood friends and family.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    The M6 Toll road has been put for sale for nearly £2bn, the BBC understands.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35553865

    Perhaps the new owners might actually have a business brain i.e. perhaps some simple stuff like offer season passes. The current 10% discount if you are a regular user and prepay is a joke.

    Since when has it been 8 lanes, as described in the article?
    £2bn sounds hugely overvalued given their revenues and losses. My personal view would be that the optimum revenue would be at a lower price for cars than at present, with serious discounts for regular users, off peak travel and season tickets available. A really innovative new owner might want to lobby government to use the road as a test bed for a higher but better enforced speed limit system, for example post the limit at 90 but give tickets at 95, or use the variable limit system as on the M42 but allow higher speeds when the road is quiet.
    A variable speed limit would be expensive because of the need for gantries and signs etc.
    Is the toll 2 lanes or 3 each side - I forget? If only 2 then a 90 limit might be a bit high - otherwise a good idea.
    It's 3 lanes each side for most of its length, except the bit running parallel with the M42 which is 2, 3 or 4 depending on how and where you measure. Most of the time the average speed is well over 90 anyway, the road is empty and the biggest hazard is watching for distant police cars. Most of the users are in decent modern cars and high mileage drivers. It would be a great trial for a British Autobahn if done properly.

    On a similar note, does anyone know what happened to the plan to extend the toll road north towards Manchester?
    They scrapped the idea of extension, instead going for the "4th lane" idea where they use the hard shoulder and average speed cameras...as is already on the M42.
    Thanks. I was initially sceptical about the M42 system (and similar on M25 and feeder motorways) but it actually works well in practice by avoiding hard stops from high speed, which is generally where accidents occur.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,037
    HYUFD said:

    taffys said:

    ''The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.''

    The plain fact is the Independent was running stories and articles people didn't want to read, from angles they not only didn;t agree with, but also didn;t feel were mainstream.

    That is why the Indie is going out of business, period.

    Leftie papers losing readers. The Independent started out as a republican alternative to the Telegraph and then at some point turned into another Guardian... The editor of the Independent even claimed that they were not left wing.... Did he read his own paper?
    The Guardian has far more readers online than in print
    True but online readers don't actual pay anything for the product. So you are reduced to trying to achieve income through adverts alone. And the Guardian demographics don't help in attracting advertising....
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    Rolf Harris to be charged with new crimes...
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    malcolmg said:

    Is anybody going to miss the Indy? I can't say I will. I hardly ever look on their website and only time I have read it is in hotels where it is often a freebie.

    I wouldn't say the same about the Guardian, I actually read that / regularly view the website.

    Does this deal now break the link between the 'i' and the Indy? I always assumed (because I read neither) that the 'i' was just a précis of stories by Indy journalists.
    How do Johnson Press (assuming they are not cider makers) expect to make money out of the 'i'?
    The 'i' does effectively what you say, so I have no idea how the new owners are going to generate content. I would presume the obvious would be to licence it. I know the Metro is owned by Daily Mail Group, but I think they licence a lot of the content from other sources.
    They will put all the rubbish from Scotsman and their local Scottish papers in it to ensure no-one reads it
    They just announced, apparently they are going to buy in content from Evening Standard and also hire 50 new people.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Time to tear up your Khan betslips
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,372

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Mr Khan does seem very unfortunate when it comes to issues of the views of his childhood friends and family.
    His sister was up to 5 years ago married to someone who used 20 years ago to attend meetings of an extreme group? I think his critics will need to do a bit better than that.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133
    OchEye said:

    watford30 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why are all the ex pat scots here so furious about Swinney's Tory-lite policies in the Scottish money seat ?

    I'd have thought you'd all be very happy with him ! :)

    They are all bitter and twisted, failed in Scotland and had to seek easier pastures to "make it" in life. Lightweights with a grievance.
    Malky's referring to Salmond and the 54.

    Lost the IndyRef and headed south to the Westminster trough.
    As Sturgeon's campaign is beginning to stutter and unexpectedly look as it is about come off the rails, rumour has it that Salmond is just about to announce his non come back: "If nominated I'll decline. If drafted I'll defer. And if elected I'll resign." again.
    Someone almost as thick as 30 watt, hard to believe unless Scottp's alter ego.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    This is rather interesting

    Africa Visa Openness Index: How Africans Restrict Their Own Mobility https://t.co/fwLuDmOtKh >@AfDB_Group https://t.co/LaXLn1H1SA
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    England going to need Root / Buttler combo to do the biz in the cricket now.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited February 2016

    On Newsnight.
    If ever there was Guardian TV, it's that show. Who watches it? I haven't in years. My Ukip voting ex Labour Guardianista mate does as he wants to be converted back

    dyingswan said:

    With the cuts at the Guardian and the rumours about the end for the Independent I am coming to the conclusion that the end is nigh for much of Fleet Street. It makes their attitude to fellow newspapers at the Levison enquiry even more incomprehensible. The Guardians circulation is now down to 185000 which is less than the Daily Record in Scotland. Put another way, if you walk along a street in the UK and see 240 adults one would actually have bought a copy of the Guardian. This is not viable for much longer. Seumas Milne may be better off out.I look forward to the Guardian headline "Brutal cuts-Tories urged to save newspaper"

    How much of the Guardian "circulation" of 185,000 is actually bought - and how much of it freebies?
    And how much are for people which work at the BBC...
    185,000 Guardian readers and the declining Newsnight audience down to 500,000. Who would have thought hiring folk from the Guardian for Newsnight would have led to similar declines?
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    Pulpstar said:

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Time to tear up your Khan betslips
    Goddamnit I want a Tooting by election
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953
    perdix said:

    tlg86 said:

    The problem with the M6 Toll is it doesn't really go anyway useful. I regularly drive up the M6 for football and unless the M6 was closed south of Toll I wouldn't consider using the Toll. If they extended the Toll north to Manchester it might attract a bit more traffic - but that would be expensive.

    The M6 Toll is very relaxing, fast road, little traffic, worth £5 or so to avoid spag junction.

    Yep. I used to do the weekly commute between M3 corridor and Manchester. It was a complete Godsend and would save half an hour from the 3 hour journey at worst. Worth every penny on Monday mornings and Friday nights.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953
    Ben Stokes you muppet.
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    taffys said:

    ''Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...''

    At the same time Speccie sales are at a record high. It must be rather galling.

    There is, however, a market for quality analysis, comment and non-time-critical investigation. The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.
    The Guardian's 'Long Reads' are usually excellent - but rarely 'time critical'.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133

    malcolmg said:

    Is anybody going to miss the Indy? I can't say I will. I hardly ever look on their website and only time I have read it is in hotels where it is often a freebie.

    I wouldn't say the same about the Guardian, I actually read that / regularly view the website.

    Does this deal now break the link between the 'i' and the Indy? I always assumed (because I read neither) that the 'i' was just a précis of stories by Indy journalists.
    How do Johnson Press (assuming they are not cider makers) expect to make money out of the 'i'?
    The 'i' does effectively what you say, so I have no idea how the new owners are going to generate content. I would presume the obvious would be to licence it. I know the Metro is owned by Daily Mail Group, but I think they licence a lot of the content from other sources.
    They will put all the rubbish from Scotsman and their local Scottish papers in it to ensure no-one reads it
    They just announced, apparently they are going to buy in content from Evening Standard and also hire 50 new people.
    Wonder if they will get anyone crazy enough to take the Scotsman off their hands. Some real journalists and someone could revive it , given Herald is now toilet paper it is an open field.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    taffys said:

    ''The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.''

    The plain fact is the Independent was running stories and articles people didn't want to read, from angles they not only didn;t agree with, but also didn;t feel were mainstream.

    That is why the Indie is going out of business, period.

    Leftie papers losing readers. The Independent started out as a republican alternative to the Telegraph and then at some point turned into another Guardian... The editor of the Independent even claimed that they were not left wing.... Did he read his own paper?
    The Guardian has far more readers online than in print
    True but online readers don't actual pay anything for the product. So you are reduced to trying to achieve income through adverts alone. And the Guardian demographics don't help in attracting advertising....
    They could charge for online access like the Times at least for certain sections
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    Afternoon all.

    Typical, away from the laptop all morning and the Independent announces its closure – think I’ll pop out again and see if the Guardian follows suit… :lol:
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,372
    HYUFD said:

    LondonBob said:

    HRC's problem is she will now be doing the big pander to blacks in order to win the nomination, which she will. This will make her toxic to the rest of America who are pretty fed up with black dysfunction. Sanders chances remain slim to none, at the end of the day he remains a New York socialist.

    Nice bump for Trump that, good favourables too as well as continuing strong backing from independents. Can he crack the big 50 in SC? The late Lee Atwater's people are running his campaign there, so no reason why not. Really just a question now of which states he won't win.

    Sanders leads Trump by 9. 7% in the latest RCP poll average and only trails Rubio by 1% while Hillary only leads Trump by 4. 7% and trails Rubio by 4. 2%. Sanders is also the only candidate from either side with a net favourable rating in the latest Morning Consult poll
    For a change the Morning Consult poll is a proper poll - a decent sample size, MOE quoted for both the overall poll and the main subsamples, and interesting details (though the link to cross-tabs seems broken). I think the NH winners and near-winners other than Trump will feel a bit disappointed that their bounce wasn't bigger - Kasich has moved from "who?" to "meh", Sanders from "badly behind" to merely "behind". Interesting though that Clinton is not hugely ahead among Hispanics - that should give Sanders a better chance in Nevada, which for Democrats is up before South Carolina.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I paid £76 for Telegraph subs. Love their pix, travel and weird sections.

    Don't think I'd renew as rest without blogs is very average. Loved their blogs.
    malcolmg said:

    I was in the 4th form at school and subscribed to the launch editions of the Indy. IIRC it was eight weeks. I posted a coupon and gave cash to the local newsagent.

    I didn't like the partisan nature of the Torygraph as was, Times seemed to be always on strike and the rest were just as bad.

    Then it got really snobbish about royal stories that mattered, loved dead seagulls and lost the plot.

    It doesn't deserve to survive. It bears no resemblance to its origins.

    I laughed out loud reading a Sherlock short story yesterday. Watson correctly identified a quote as from the Telegraph, this was over 100 yrs ago. That's readership consistency.

    eek said:

    dyingswan said:

    With the cuts at the Guardian and the rumours about the end for the Independent I am coming to the conclusion that the end is nigh for much of Fleet Street. It makes their attitude to fellow newspapers at the Levison enquiry even more incomprehensible. The Guardians circulation is now down to 185000 which is less than the Daily Record in Scotland. Put another way, if you walk along a street in the UK and see 240 adults one would actually have bought a copy of the Guardian. This is not viable for much longer. Seumas Milne may be better off out.I look forward to the Guardian headline "Brutal cuts-Tories urged to save newspaper"

    How much of the Guardian "circulation" of 185,000 is actually bought - and how much of it freebies?
    Independent closes on March 26th.... http://order-order.com/2016/02/12/confirmed-indy-closing-march-26th/

    Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...
    I like their Travel section and the photographs of the day/week
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Mr Khan does seem very unfortunate when it comes to issues of the views of his childhood friends and family.
    His sister was up to 5 years ago married to someone who used 20 years ago to attend meetings of an extreme group? I think his critics will need to do a bit better than that.
    Does this mean it's a legitimate line of attack to go after Osborne's brother who just got convicted for sleeping with a patient?
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    Rewarding failure?
    Adam Sherwin @adamsherwin10
    "Amol Rajan to be editor-at-large of new digital Independent - "painful day" but cannot save on under 50k print sales tells staff"
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Mr Khan does seem very unfortunate when it comes to issues of the views of his childhood friends and family.
    His sister was up to 5 years ago married to someone who used 20 years ago to attend meetings of an extreme group? I think his critics will need to do a bit better than that.
    Not on its own, you're right. But it adds to the narrative and a long list of similar stories about Khan's associations with people holding unpleasant views.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    edited February 2016
    perdix said:

    tlg86 said:

    The problem with the M6 Toll is it doesn't really go anyway useful. I regularly drive up the M6 for football and unless the M6 was closed south of Toll I wouldn't consider using the Toll. If they extended the Toll north to Manchester it might attract a bit more traffic - but that would be expensive.

    The M6 Toll is very relaxing, fast road, little traffic, worth £5 or so to avoid spag junction.

    Do you mean spag junction or do you mean the M5-M6 junction? I've only every been a jam in the former after a midweek game at Villa Park when the M6 was down to one lane. The latter is always a bit slow but I doubt it adds that much to journey - certainly not coming home after the game.
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    His sister was up to 5 years ago married to someone who used 20 years ago to attend meetings of an extreme group? I think his critics will need to do a bit better than that.

    Yes, it's very thin stuff, although the article does a good Guardian-style job of throwing multiple smears-by-association in to the mix.

    What's perhaps most interesting about it, and potentially worrying for Labour, is that this is the Evening Standard.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gop-deathmatch-three-men-will-enter-the-winner-will-probably-lose-to-trump-anyway/

    natesilver: SURE WOULD BE NICE IF SOMEONE TRIED CONDUCTING A PUBLIC OPINION POLL IN SOUTH CAROLINA
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Full result from Eastleigh BC West End North Lib Dem hold

    LD 582 ( 53.0% ) plus 13.1%
    Con 315 ( 28.7% ) minus 6.4%
    UKIP 115 ( 10.5% ) minus 4.9%
    Lab 58 ( 5.3% ) minus 4.3%
    Green 28 ( 2.5% ) plus 2.5%
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    Rolf Harris to be charged with new crimes...

    I sat next to Rolf Harris on the plane once - and was on the Queen Mary when he was giving a talk (and the police were searching his home...) - charm personified......unlike Savile who always came across as slightly creepy.....
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Wow, under 50k print sales. Jeez.

    It topped 400k once.

    Rewarding failure?
    Adam Sherwin @adamsherwin10
    "Amol Rajan to be editor-at-large of new digital Independent - "painful day" but cannot save on under 50k print sales tells staff"

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    What is he smoking?

    @amolrajan
    "The @Independent is going digital. Fastest-growing quality uk newspaper site for past 3 years. Revenues 50% up last year ..."
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Quite. It's a Judge A Man By His Friends meme.

    There's rather too many now to write off as one bad apple.
    Sandpit said:

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Mr Khan does seem very unfortunate when it comes to issues of the views of his childhood friends and family.
    His sister was up to 5 years ago married to someone who used 20 years ago to attend meetings of an extreme group? I think his critics will need to do a bit better than that.
    Not on its own, you're right. But it adds to the narrative and a long list of similar stories about Khan's associations with people holding unpleasant views.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited February 2016

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Mr Khan does seem very unfortunate when it comes to issues of the views of his childhood friends and family.
    His sister was up to 5 years ago married to someone who used 20 years ago to attend meetings of an extreme group? I think his critics will need to do a bit better than that.
    Yes. Then again, a succession of stories like this could be damaging alongside the "Corbyn's candidate" stuff.

    Terrorist vs Racist. Low politics.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,010
    edited February 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Exposed: Sadiq Khan's family links to extremist organisation

    The links of mayoral hopeful Sadiq Khan’s former brother-in-law to one of the UK’s most notorious extremist organisations are revealed today.

    Top London lawyer Makbool Javaid was married to the Labour Party candidate’s sister Farhat Khan until 2011.

    In the Nineties Mr Javaid took part in events in London with the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun while he was Mr Khan’s brother-in-law, having married the Labour politician’s sister in 1989.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/exposed-sadiq-khans-family-links-to-extremist-organisation-a3179066.html

    Time to tear up your Khan betslips
    Well I never

    Some UKIP candidates are islamophobic, and the muslim that wants to be MoL has close friends and family that are extremists

    Equally shocking... which is more worrying I wonder
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    taffys said:

    ''Guardian may get a dead cat bounce from the closure...''

    At the same time Speccie sales are at a record high. It must be rather galling.

    There is, however, a market for quality analysis, comment and non-time-critical investigation. The Guardian could be very good at that. The future (indeed, the present) of news is electronic and instant.
    The Guardian's 'Long Reads' are usually excellent - but rarely 'time critical'.
    Which is why its future - if it has one - is as a weekly.
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