Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment, but equally clearly the Koln group were at a different level of nastiness). That's the sort of reaction which makes MPs stick to bland and meaningless phrases. A few MPs who don't consider every sentence carefully before uttering it are probably a good thing - the right reaction is to say oi, you're exaggerating there, and move on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Absolutely. Laughing at male suicide rates shows the calibre of the person to my mind.
She is someone who seems to be driven by hate - and that is both unhealthy for her and for her 'contribution' to public life.
Nothing she has brought to the table feels positive - it is always coming from the negative.
O/T will the Womens' Equality Party have an impact in the London elections? Could they take votes from Labour?
Are they making any impact anywhere?
I stopped paying attention when they stated that they were campaigning to stop domestic violence against women. Which, to my mind, flies in the face of their claim to be seeking equality. Campaign to stop domestic violence - FULL STOP. It doesn't matter if the victim is female or male. To focus on violence against women pushes the problems faced by men who are abused by their partners back off the agenda. Victims of domestic abuse ALL deserve proper respect and protection. No one group of victims is more deserving of support than others. Their refusal to acknowledge this destroys their claim to be seeking equality.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
For some people, yes. Do we need to judge people for their own emotional reactions? Human beings cannot care about everyone equally, some loses will hit us harder, it's not rocket science.
Quite, if they'd advocated funding specialist female anger management courses to prevent domestic violence...that'd make a point that at least nodded to the other half of the population.
O/T will the Womens' Equality Party have an impact in the London elections? Could they take votes from Labour?
Are they making any impact anywhere?
I stopped paying attention when they stated that they were campaigning to stop domestic violence against women. Which, to my mind, flies in the face of their claim to be seeking equality. Campaign to stop domestic violence - FULL STOP. It doesn't matter if the victim is female or male. To focus on violence against women pushes the problems faced by men who are abused by their partners back off the agenda. Victims of domestic abuse ALL deserve proper respect and protection. No one group of victims is more deserving of support than others. Their refusal to acknowledge this destroys their claim to be seeking equality.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment, but equally clearly the Koln group were at a different level of nastiness). That's the sort of reaction which makes MPs stick to bland and meaningless phrases. A few MPs who don't consider every sentence carefully before uttering it are probably a good thing - the right reaction is to say oi, you're exaggerating there, and move on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
I certainly don't blame David Cameron for doing the best by his child (as we all should) but if he wants to know why senior positions are dominated by the (mostly White) upper and upper middle classes it's because they have access to the best education and their parents have plenty of money.
Following on, I think it's fascinating that very unequal outcomes persist, despite hugely redistributive taxation and social spending.
The top 1% of earners pay something like 25% of income tax.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment, but equally clearly the Koln group were at a different level of nastiness). That's the sort of reaction which makes MPs stick to bland and meaningless phrases. A few MPs who don't consider every sentence carefully before uttering it are probably a good thing - the right reaction is to say oi, you're exaggerating there, and move on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independentent.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment, but equally clearly the Koln group were at a different level of nastiness). That's the sort of reaction which makes MPs stick to bland and meaningless phrases. A few MPs who don't consider every sentence carefully before uttering it are probably a good thing - the right reaction is to say oi, you're exaggerating there, and move on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
You can be blunt and outspoken without being stupid or offensive. Something that Phillips needs to work on.
It also helps if you build up a reputation about being on the money with your outspoken-ness - that way people pay attention to your plain-speaking. Otherwise you are at risk of just being a rent-a-gob rather than someone who can make a real difference.
Sad about Wogan. Bumped into him once. My jaw literally dropped (and for the first time I immediately understood what that phrase actually meant). He was properly famous (unlike all the politicians and PMs I have met).
The grim reaper has started to rip into that colour TV generation.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independentent.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment on.
I think you will find there are her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
You can be blunt and outspoken without being stupid or offensive. Something that Phillips needs to work on.
It also helps if you build up a reputation about being on the money with your outspoken-ness - that way people pay attention to your plain-speaking. Otherwise you are at risk of just being a rent-a-gob rather than someone who can make a real difference.
I agree, even when being outspoken there are variances on whether you be insightful, amusing, embarrassing or whatever. But when you have or adopt an outspoken persona, you will cross the line for some people at some point. X is just a clown if they overdo the humour, y is just a prick if they overdo the 'don't care what people think'attitude.
Which type Jess is is in development, but some clearly hoped she was the on the money type and are disappointed. Others never thought she was.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment, but equally clearly the Koln group were at a different level of nastiness). That's the sort of reaction which makes MPs stick to bland and meaningless phrases. A few MPs who don't consider every sentence carefully before uttering it are probably a good thing - the right reaction is to say oi, you're exaggerating there, and move on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
I like this game. Chilcott to lead on inefficiency?
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independentent.
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PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment on.
I think you will find there are her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
You can be blunt and outspoken without being stupid or offensive. Something that Phillips needs to work on.
It also helps if you build up a reputation about being on the money with your outspoken-ness - that way people pay attention to your plain-speaking. Otherwise you are at risk of just being a rent-a-gob rather than someone who can make a real difference.
I agree, even when being outspoken there are variances on whether you be insightful, amusing, embarrassing or whatever. But when you have or adopt an outspoken persona, you will cross the line for some people at some point. X is just a clown if they overdo the humour, y is just a prick if they overdo the 'don't care what people think'attitude.
Which type Jess is is in development, but some clearly hoped she was the on the money type and are disappointed. Others never thought she was.
If @ Roger is about: This is what - on the previous thread - he claimed I said:-
"Sexual violence-according to Cyclefree-is the result of immigrants being brought up in repressive misogynistic Muslim countries. How do we explain these Scandinavian neo-Nazi thugs. The Vikings?"
And this is what I actually said at 08:03 am:-
"It is undoubtedly the case that sexual assaults on women didn't start with the arrival of migrants. And if there were no migrants such crimes would still happen.
But it is curious - actually, repulsive would be a better word - that those who claim to be concerned about sexual crimes against women are so sanguine about inviting into the country those from mysogynistic cultures and, as a result, with a propensity to commit such crimes (though that does not apply to all the individuals from those cultures, of course).
It's as if such concern is only useful if it can be used against certain groups and that concern for women is dialled up or down - or into nothingness, in some cases - depending on the perpetrators.
Repulsive."
@Roger: you are free to disagree. But do not misrepresent what I have written. You do it repeatedly. And it is tiresome.
Sorry Cyclefree but I can't see the difference. My two lines were a pretty fair precis.
She explicitly said sexual violence didn't start with the arrival of migrants. You said she said sexual violence is the result of immigration.
As others have suggested, you may well have had some solid points to counter her overall argument, but your précis is not a fair representation at all, it is simplified to the point of being misleading, which undermined your legitimate points. Those missing words innocent abroad mentions are crucial - even if you believe someone's disclaimers are false, if you ignore them, present their view as less nuanced than is in fact the case, they can easily dismiss your points.
It's a very politician like thing actually - act like somebody said something else and attack that, or that what they meant was not what they said,
I've certainly seen people use the same tactic against you however. Weve all done it at some point
It is difficult going into textural analysis when my post wasn't even a direct answer to Cyclefree's post. Her point (excluing flannel) was that people from mysogynist Muslim cultures have a propensity to commit violent crimes against women so for the authorities to allow them in is 'repulsive'.
On the same day as cyclefree's post there was reported to be a marauding gang of Swedish neo-Nazis looking to beat up immigrants. I was tongue-in-cheek wondering what the cultural influences that were driving them
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
I like this game. Chilcott to lead on inefficiency?
It just baffles me that, in a time where equality is everything, where the race, sex or social class you were born into should be increasingly irrelevant to the job you do, that politicians still do the equivalent of putting the black guy in charge of Djing and drug dealing, Women in charge of the food and get gay people to do the wardrobe
But it wasn't exaggerating, it was bollox. And it was said with the precise intention of diminishing the significance of industrial scale sexual violence perpetrated by migrants recently arrived from the Middle East in order to defend her belief that such behaviour should not be used as an argument against open borders migration. If that is what she believes, she should have the courage to say so and her electorate can then make up their own minds.
What she said wasn't just a lie, it was political cowardice of the highest order.!
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
PB really liked Jess when she was being OTT aggressive to Corbyn and Abbott, but have gone right off her now she's been OTT in another context (clearly she's right that migrants didn't invent sexual harassment, but equally clearly the Koln group were at a different level of nastiness). That's the sort of reaction which makes MPs stick to bland and meaningless phrases. A few MPs who don't consider every sentence carefully before uttering it are probably a good thing - the right reaction is to say oi, you're exaggerating there, and move on.
Oh ! Have PB Tories gone off Jess ? Well, it had to happen sooner than later. Anyone attacking Corbyn will be their cult hero. They have small minds.
Court translators speaking 226 languages are costing UK taxpayers £60,000 a day.
More than 50 per cent of the interpreters were used in criminal courts, a third at immigration cases and the rest were paid for working in family courts.
One cash-strapped police force, Gloucestershire Constabulary, is spending £100,000 a year on translators, despite £20 million in budget cuts since 2011.
Polish translators were the most requested across the UK last year, followed by Romanian and Lithuanian, according to the Daily Mirror.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to have evaporated. Personally I think if you want outspoken, blunt politicians you have to accept they will say something stupid and clumsy as well as amusing from time to time, but the very reaction against her doe demonstrate why we have very polished, professional political classes - it's what we want, most of the time. Sure the bland party robot thing gets taken too far, but in general we want them to be careful, particular if they are senior.
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
I like this game. Chilcott to lead on inefficiency?
It just baffles me that, in a time where equality is everything, where the race, sex or social class you were born into should be increasingly irrelevant to the job you do, that politicians still do the equivalent of putting the black guy in charge of Djing and drug dealing, Women in charge of the food and get gay people to do the wardrobe
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
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Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
I like this game. Chilcott to lead on inefficiency?
It just baffles me that, in a time where equality is everything, where the race, sex or social class you were born into should be increasingly irrelevant to the job you do, that politicians still do the equivalent of putting the black guy in charge of Djing and drug dealing, Women in charge of the food and get gay people to do the wardrobe
So old fashioned and lazy, yet people nod along
That's politics for you. We all say we want the best person for x or y, but perception matters and, in the hopes of shutting down at least once avenue of attack, we try to make sure it is the best person who also fits certain criteria, be it race or politics or something else.
A colleague of mine once told me an amusing story once of the stunned reactions they received going into a staff Black and Minority Ethnic (silly phrase, it's Ethnic Minority, right? And I think its BAME now) forum as they thought she was lost. Her comment was White Other was an ethnic minority too (she's of Polish heritage). Now they seem to have quite a few White Others going along though.
Though with the Lammy appointment some have said that while on several other topics he has shown himself to be pretty dim, he actually knows things about this one. We'll see.
She was one of the 68 value tips to be next leader at 66/1 wasn't she?
Think so. And I see Dugher is saying (in the Mail FFS) he might stand for leader, as did Danczuk a little while back. On the list of things for Corbyn to worry about, these three potential challenges are probably not prominent.
Big move: Guardian will no longer allow comments on "race, immigration, Islam" articles. Wonder what next? @newsmaryhttps://t.co/w4A7ClCQD2
So they want debate - but only from people who already agree with them...
When newspapers start restricting freedom of speech, you know things have gone horribly wrong.
But it is just symptomatic of the SJW world view where only their opinions have any validity. No-one is allowed to hold a contrary position because they are automatically wrong.
This is typical of the regressive left and diminishes The Guardian massively.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to .
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
I like this game. Chilcott to lead on inefficiency?
It just baffles me that, in a time where equality is everything, where the race, sex or social class you were born into should be increasingly irrelevant to the job you do, that politicians still do the equivalent of putting the black guy in charge of Djing and drug dealing, Women in charge of the food and get gay people to do the wardrobe
Big move: Guardian will no longer allow comments on "race, immigration, Islam" articles. Wonder what next? @newsmaryhttps://t.co/w4A7ClCQD2
So they want debate - but only from people who already agree with them...
When newspapers start restricting freedom of speech, you know things have gone horribly wrong.
But it is just symptomatic of the SJW world view where only their opinions have any validity. No-one is allowed to hold a contrary position because they are automatically wrong.
This is typical of the regressive left and diminishes The Guardian massively.
Let the Left echo chamber be re-enforced.
As our Great Leader said: "Britain and Twitter: they're not the same thing"
OT Noticed you changed your avatar to Peter Egan/Every Decreasing Circles edition, in case you interested, he's a huge animal welfare campaigner on Twitter.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to .
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
I like this game. Chilcott to lead on inefficiency?
It just baffles me that, in a time where equality is everything, where the race, sex or social class you were born into should be increasingly irrelevant to the job you do, that politicians still do the equivalent of putting the black guy in charge of Djing and drug dealing, Women in charge of the food and get gay people to do the wardrobe
If @ Roger is about: This is what - on the previous thread - he claimed I said:-
"Sexual violence-according to Cyclefree-is the result of immigrants being brought up in repressive misogynistic Muslim countries. How do we explain these Scandinavian neo-Nazi thugs. The Vikings?"
And this is what I actually said at 08:03 am:-
"It is undoubtedly the case that sexual assaults on women didn't start with the arrival of migrants. And if there were no migrants such crimes would still happen.
But it is curious - actually, repulsive would be a better word - that those who claim to be concerned about sexual crimes against women are so sanguine about inviting into the country those from mysogynistic cultures and, as a result, with a propensity to commit such crimes (though that does not apply to all the individuals from those cultures, of course).
It's as if such concern is only useful if it can be used against certain groups and that concern for women is dialled up or down - or into nothingness, in some cases - depending on the perpetrators.
Repulsive."
@Roger: you are free to disagree. But do not misrepresent what I have written. You do it repeatedly. And it is tiresome.
Sorry Cyclefree but I can't see the difference. My two lines were a pretty fair precis.
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It is difficult going into textural analysis when my post wasn't even a direct answer to Cyclefree's post. Her point (excluing flannel) was that people from mysogynist Muslim cultures have a propensity to commit violent crimes against women so for the authorities to allow them in is 'repulsive'.
On the same day as cyclefree's post there was reported to be a marauding gang of Swedish neo-Nazis looking to beat up immigrants. I was tongue-in-cheek wondering what the cultural influences that were driving them
I'm far from in position to condemn someone for inelegance of textual analysis of someone elses' posts - that you found certain views expressed as repulsive is no issue, I think, and as I said we all through intention or understandable lack of care may misrepresent what someone else said.
It only really provokes comment when the level of condemnation is really extreme, and that's when extra care with language is important. And since you mention it, people taking your viking remark out of context and making it seem more central to your point than it in fact was, is a good example of the same sort of thing you are being accused of.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
David Bowie was special (although he did well to get to the age he did with the lifestyle he used to indulge in). Terry Wogan, I'm less convinced.
Personally nowadays Wogan was a better entertainer, Bowie was well past his best
Anyone dying is pretty sad, but what must be acknowledged is that Bowie did so many drugs that he had 6 heart attacks before dying of cancer. Glen Freys cocaine addiction left him battling the illness that killed him for 30 years. I doubt Lemmy was a tee total vegan
Terry Wogan had a good innings I guess, though I am still sad he has gone
She was one of the 68 value tips to be next leader at 66/1 wasn't she?
Think so. And I see Dugher is saying (in the Mail FFS) he might stand for leader, as did Danczuk a little while back. On the list of things for Corbyn to worry about, these three potential challenges are probably not prominent.
Being some of the few willing to be open about their dislike of Corbyn, rather than all those who continually brief against him privately, is bound to get people wondering if they have a shot should he fall, no matter how unsuited they might be otherwise, simply by default.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
away you halfwit , you need to get a life. Methinks you are special and not in a good way.
I certainly don't blame David Cameron for doing the best by his child (as we all should) but if he wants to know why senior positions are dominated by the (mostly White) upper and upper middle classes it's because they have access to the best education and their parents have plenty of money.
The top 1% of earners pay something like 25% of income tax.
How much do top 1% earn of total earnings greater or lesss than 25%?
If its greater than they are not even paying there fair share in a proportional system.
The thing that gave me most joy from Sir Tel was his decades of Eurovision commentary. Just superb observational humour, without being too cruel, considering what we were watching....
sajid javed not being very nice to Osborne today, and neither is Simon Heffer.
That guy is in trouble. For me, its not beyond the bounds of possibility he could be reshuffled. I reckon many are seriously underwhelmed by his dreadful autumn statement, google tax handling, and anti conservative budget plans.
The thing that gave me most joy from Sir Tel was his decades of Eurovision commentary. Just superb observational humour, without being too cruel, considering what we were watching....
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
For some people, yes. Do we need to judge people for their own emotional reactions? Human beings cannot care about everyone equally, some loses will hit us harder, it's not rocket science.
kle4, half wits who need to go on about so called "celebrities " dying are not right in the head, they need to get out and smell the coffee. Life is not living via a TV personality. Terry was a good entertainer and his death is sad for his family and friends. The saddest thing is halfwits projecting over it to fill their sad existences.
There may be odious comments appearing on The Guardian's comment sections, rather than have the courage to publish them, and giving the commentators enough rope to hang themselves, The Guardian resorts to censorship. Pathetic decision from Stephen Pritchard.
I certainly don't blame David Cameron for doing the best by his child (as we all should) but if he wants to know why senior positions are dominated by the (mostly White) upper and upper middle classes it's because they have access to the best education and their parents have plenty of money.
The top 1% of earners pay something like 25% of income tax.
How much do top 1% earn of total earnings greater or lesss than 25%?
If its greater than they are not even paying there fair share in a proportional system.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
David Bowie was special (although he did well to get to the age he did with the lifestyle he used to indulge in). Terry Wogan, I'm less convinced.
Personally nowadays Wogan was a better entertainer, Bowie was well past his best
Anyone dying is pretty sad, but what must be acknowledged is that Bowie did so many drugs that he had 6 heart attacks before dying of cancer. Glen Freys cocaine addiction left him battling the illness that killed him for 30 years. I doubt Lemmy was a tee total vegan
Terry Wogan had a good innings I guess, though I am still sad he has gone
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
For some people, yes. Do we need to judge people for their own emotional reactions? Human beings cannot care about everyone equally, some loses will hit us harder, it's not rocket science.
kle4, half wits who need to go on about so called "celebrities " dying are not right in the head, they need to get out and smell the coffee. Life is not living via a TV personality. Terry was a good entertainer and his death is sad for his family and friends. The saddest thing is halfwits projecting over it to fill their sad existences.
I think there is probably a middle ground to aim for.
The Mail rarely takes anything down - and only legally sensitive stories are pre-modded.
The Times pre-mods everything and depending on who gets your comment to approve, its a lottery if you say something unkind to Lefties. Or a journalist's position. The bias of the mods there is very obvious. Things much lighter than my housetrained PB comments never see the light of day if I get the wrong mod. Whilst others get through from others on the same thread.
I made a comparison with Brian May's hair and a certain King George that got modded until I complained.
There may be odious comments appearing on The Guardian's comment sections, rather than have the courage to publish them, and giving the commentators enough rope to hang themselves, The Guardian resorts to censorship. Pathetic decision from Stephen Pritchard.
Most, if not all, newspaper sites have odious comments below the line (I haven't been to all to be able to say definitively it is all - Plato says the Times is quite good IIRC) - it's just easier to put a stop to it than challenge it every time.
I did like that even outspoken Guido Fawles took steps, I believe, to handle commentary toxicity.
OT Noticed you changed your avatar to Peter Egan/Every Decreasing Circles edition, in case you interested, he's a huge animal welfare campaigner on Twitter.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
Hemmings used to be my bridge partner in Commons vs Lords matches - amusing and laid-back guy (the latter is vital in a partner unless you want constant hassle), but he did seem to have a complicated life - I remember one match where he had to break off twice because first his wife and then his girlfriend wanted his attention.
on.
I think you will find there are some of us who didn't like her at any point after she ridiculed the idea of men having mental health issues and that the NHS isn't set up to help men who suffer from them at all. I found her "stab him in the front" comment mildly amusing, but she has proven herself to be an imbecile and her comments likening a night out in Birmingham to NYE in Cologne just proves it.
Nevertheless Nick seems right that the level of general praise for her seems to .
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
Cameron will have her leading a review into Misogyny soon
I like this game. Chilcott to lead on inefficiency?
Telling Diane to Eff Off was the amusing outburst - the rest are teenage gobshite.
She clearly thinks she's Big And Clever. Her attention seeking on BBCQT being a classic example.
Telling Diane to Eff Off was also the act of a teenage gobshite.
I am all for MPs having hyperbole in their argument armoury, but to fire off her bullets targeting the flippant and the crass is not the mark of a top flight politician.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
away you halfwit , you need to get a life. Methinks you are special and not in a good way.
There may be odious comments appearing on The Guardian's comment sections, rather than have the courage to publish them, and giving the commentators enough rope to hang themselves, The Guardian resorts to censorship. Pathetic decision from Stephen Pritchard.
Most, if not all, newspaper sites have odious comments below the line (I haven't been to all to be able to say definitively it is all - Plato says the Times is quite good IIRC) - it's just easier to put a stop to it than challenge it every time.
I did like that even outspoken Guido Fawles took steps, I believe, to handle commentary toxicity.
There is a difference in working to reduce toxicity in general and refusing to allow any debate on certain topics.
There may be odious comments appearing on The Guardian's comment sections, rather than have the courage to publish them, and giving the commentators enough rope to hang themselves, The Guardian resorts to censorship. Pathetic decision from Stephen Pritchard.
Most, if not all, newspaper sites have odious comments below the line (I haven't been to all to be able to say definitively it is all - Plato says the Times is quite good IIRC) - it's just easier to put a stop to it than challenge it every time.
I did like that even outspoken Guido Fawles took steps, I believe, to handle commentary toxicity.
There is a difference in working to reduce toxicity in general and refusing to allow any debate on certain topics.
sajid javed not being very nice to Osborne today, and neither is Simon Heffer.
That guy is in trouble. For me, its not beyond the bounds of possibility he could be reshuffled. I reckon many are seriously underwhelmed by his dreadful autumn statement, google tax handling, and anti conservative budget plans.
Telling Diane to Eff Off was the amusing outburst - the rest are teenage gobshite.
She clearly thinks she's Big And Clever. Her attention seeking on BBCQT being a classic example.
Telling Diane to Eff Off was also the act of a teenage gobshite.
I am all for MPs having hyperbole in their argument armoury, but to fire off her bullets targeting the flippant and the crass is not the mark of a top flight politician.
She has much to learn.
Sadly I fear she will be around for many years. But whether she is capable of learning - that is another matter.
It just baffles me that, in a time where equality is everything, where the race, sex or social class you were born into should be increasingly irrelevant to the job you do, that politicians still do the equivalent of putting the black guy in charge of Djing and drug dealing, Women in charge of the food and get gay people to do the wardrobe
I've seen speak about it at length and spoken to him face to face
It depends if you eventually want a harmonious colour blind society or one with lots of independent groups competing for their rights
As I said, you should read his book.
I want the right people to do a job, regardless of ethnicity or gender. You seem to be complaining that Lammy's got the job because he's black: I'm saying he just might have got the job because he's already knowledgeable about the subject.
Also, I think Lammy's position on this is not one that would necessarily be the first that comes to the mind of many left-thinkers.
It'll be interesting to see what the review comes up with, and how the old questions of correlation !=causation are handled.
The Mail rarely takes anything down - and only legally sensitive stories are pre-modded.
The Time pre-mods everything and depending on who gets your comment to approve, its a lottery if you say something unkind to Lefties. The bias of the mods there is very obvious. Things much lighter than my housetrained PB comments never see the light of day if I get the wrong mod. Whilst others get through.
''But it is still a dreadful signal to send - we are shutting down debate.''
Guardian readers filleting the latest piece of apology for Islamism was the only reason I ever went to that website.
You can't win with moderating. I remember someone recently posting somewhere that while comments in articles are bad, the pressure valve they give people is such that its better to allow comments as otherwise people attack the writer directly elsewhere on twitter and other places.
Sadly my googlefu has failed to find the article but gives me this one instead...
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
away you halfwit , you need to get a life. Methinks you are special and not in a good way.
It's very unfortunate that the Guardian have decided to not allow comments on articles relating to immigration, Islam, and ethnic minorities. I personally have little time for CIF these days (the last time CIF was a place of constructive debate was 2010). CIF has become a bizarre mishmash of Corbyn-worshipping, and comments which would not look out of place in the DM comments' section. Nonetheless, it is important to challenge, and confront unsavoury POVs. Not to pretend they don't actually exist. CIF increasingly wants to do that.
I saw the David Lammy thing, this morning. The first thing I thought is I wonder what PB thinks of it all....
P.S I knew Jess Philips' comments would go down a storm on here, btw.
EDIT: RIP Terry Wogan. I had no idea he'd died until now. 2016 is increasingly becoming the year of high-profile deaths. First Bowie, then Alan Rickman, and now Wogan
There may be odious comments appearing on The Guardian's comment sections, rather than have the courage to publish them, and giving the commentators enough rope to hang themselves, The Guardian resorts to censorship. Pathetic decision from Stephen Pritchard.
Most, if not all, newspaper sites have odious comments below the line (I haven't been to all to be able to say definitively it is all - Plato says the Times is quite good IIRC) - it's just easier to put a stop to it than challenge it every time.
I did like that even outspoken Guido Fawles took steps, I believe, to handle commentary toxicity.
Its fine to delete toxic comments and ban users, but entirely eliminating discussion on issues that you don't want questioned is hardly consistent with a 'comment is free' philosophy.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
For some people, yes. Do we need to judge people for their own emotional reactions? Human beings cannot care about everyone equally, some loses will hit us harder, it's not rocket science.
kle4, half wits who need to go on about so called "celebrities " dying are not right in the head, they need to get out and smell the coffee. Life is not living via a TV personality. Terry was a good entertainer and his death is sad for his family and friends. The saddest thing is halfwits projecting over it to fill their sad existences.
No, the saddest things is those who lack empathy dismissing others' reactions.
Birmingham Yardley does seem, recently anyway, to elect some somewhat eccentric MP’s! First John Hemmings and now Jess Phillips.
Before Hemmings you had Estelle "I'm not up to the job...." Morris. And before her, the so rogue Tory he was almost Independent David Gilroy Bevan. A great seat,with MP's who had to be extremely attuned to their voters as from WW2 until 1992 I believe it was always won by the party of government.
It's an interesting consituency: it ought to be a safe Labour seat based on demographics but local politicians ignored the area and it ended up with LD councillors who shook things up a bit.
I saw the David Lammy thing, this morning. The first thing I thought is I wonder what PB thinks of it all....
Less overwhelmingly against than I expected last night. He is not well thought of by most in these parts, but apparently it is a subject he actually knows something about, and it shows Cameron probably wants to actually achieve something by making the review as non partisan as possible.
Welcome to the age of censorship, as the Guardian shuts down comments on its favourite topics.
The Guardian just admitted they lost the argument. Being reminded of this is just too painful...
As someone has just commented on the Grauniad article:
"In many ways, the Guardian is desperately out of touch with the opinions of people, even of a large fraction of its own readers. Shutting down commentary in an attempt to restrict it to "nice" and "acceptable" opinions that coincide with your own naïve and simplistic view of the world is not likely to help anything."
The Guardian newspaper is increasingly only bought by institutions (universities, the BBC, etc) and old-time readers (usually aged 50+). It will one day die, probably in only a few years time.
Welcome to the age of censorship, as the Guardian shuts down comments on its favourite topics.
The Guardian just admitted they lost the argument. Being reminded of this is just too painful...
As someone has just commented on the Grauniad article:
"In many ways, the Guardian is desperately out of touch with the opinions of people, even of a large fraction of its own readers. Shutting down commentary in an attempt to restrict it to "nice" and "acceptable" opinions that coincide with your own naïve and simplistic view of the world is not likely to help anything."
The Guardian newspaper is increasingly only bought by institutions (universities, the BBC, etc) and old-time readers (usually aged 50+). It will one day die, probably in only a few years time.
With losses of £50 million a year, that day is probably approaching rather faster...
Though their 'creative' tax position might buy them more time.
I certainly don't blame David Cameron for doing the best by his child (as we all should) but if he wants to know why senior positions are dominated by the (mostly White) upper and upper middle classes it's because they have access to the best education and their parents have plenty of money.
The top 1% of earners pay something like 25% of income tax.
How much do top 1% earn of total earnings greater or lesss than 25%?
If its greater than they are not even paying there fair share in a proportional system.
I'm okay with Lammy - he's ticked the right boxes and said sensible things here - whilst being a nitwit on general knowledge.
He's a Tottenham chappy who made good, spoke a lot of no excuses here re the riots and has the Check Your Privilege crowd covered for the politics.
He's not doing this alone - he's a figurehead to get enough to listen. I'd call that real politick.
I read yesterday [sorry can't recall where] that the crimes/sentencing rates are for the same cohorts. So blacks get higher sentences than whites for the same transgressions. Now that may be cultural sarky attitude before the beak that annoys them, jury profiles, that the beaks in largely black areas have a harder line attitude [rates vary largely across the country] or something else.
I don't care much about what Oxbridge admits - it's statistically tiny. The judicial system is another kettle of fish.
It just baffles me that, in a time where equality is everything, where the race, sex or social class you were born into should be increasingly irrelevant to the job you do, that politicians still do the equivalent of putting the black guy in charge of Djing and drug dealing, Women in charge of the food and get gay people to do the wardrobe
I've seen speak about it at length and spoken to him face to face
It depends if you eventually want a harmonious colour blind society or one with lots of independent groups competing for their rights
As I said, you should read his book.
I want the right people to do a job, regardless of ethnicity or gender. You seem to be complaining that Lammy's got the job because he's black: I'm saying he just might have got the job because he's already knowledgeable about the subject.
Also, I think Lammy's position on this is not one that would necessarily be the first that comes to the mind of many left-thinkers.
It'll be interesting to see what the review comes up with, and how the old questions of correlation !=causation are handled.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
away you halfwit , you need to get a life. Methinks you are special and not in a good way.
Wogan, gave millions pleasure and will be missed.
Malcolmg, pleasures himself.
PB's village idiot makes an appearance
says the pub's drunken loudmouthed single topic bore
I don't know whether you saw BBC's Storyville "The Great Gangster Film Fraud". If not you or your lady will find a lot that's both recognizable and amusing!
Mark Pritchard's reasoning for remaining in the EU is really bizarre. He is arguing that without the UK remaining in the EU, France and Germany will be incapable of making sensible decisions. He also makes a ludicrous reference to WW1 and WW2 for good measure.
TSE thinks the Leave campaign is rubbish, with idiots like Pritchard I'm not sure they need to do anything. Every single argument I have seen for staying in is preposterous, from Rose's dodgy maths, to Clegg saying Turkey must be allowed to join, to rubbish like this
But! But! What about the 3 million jobs that will be lost if we leave?!
The arguments to Remain are pretty poor, but will probably be effective to the large chunk of voters who really haven't got a clue.
The EU referendum is fascinating because Remain will use Fear of the Unknown to make their argument, whilst Leave will use Fear of the Known. It's a meh Clash of the Titans...
Even that shows incompetence. Something like "We can't risk staying in the EU" would be much more effective.
"In many ways, the Guardian is desperately out of touch with the opinions of people, even of a large fraction of its own readers.
That point is made time and again by those readers in the very comments sections the paper is closing down.
In the end, it isn;t criticism of islam(ism) that the Guardian is shutting down, its criticism of the Guardian.
But there are far subtler ways to achieve the same aim.. My favourite one is silent moderation (you hide the posts of a poster from everyone apart from the poster himself)...
I can see what the Guardian is trying to achieve. What it doesn't seem to understand is that its better to keep the attacks on your own site rather than forcing them to move elsewhere where they have no control of the situation...
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
away you halfwit , you need to get a life. Methinks you are special and not in a good way.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
away you halfwit , you need to get a life. Methinks you are special and not in a good way.
Wogan, gave millions pleasure and will be missed.
Malcolmg, pleasures himself.
PB's village idiot makes an appearance
says the pub's drunken loudmouthed single topic bore
another village missing an idiot, they are swarming
I don't know whether you saw BBC's Storyville "The Great Gangster Film Fraud". If not you or your lady will find a lot that's both recognizable and amusing!
Ha, The Times does that by delaying a post they don't like but don't have a legitimate reason to bin. They leave it for 6hrs or so = it's so far down and unrecommended that it gets ignored as *there must be something wrong with this opinon - look at all the rest either side with ticks*
"In many ways, the Guardian is desperately out of touch with the opinions of people, even of a large fraction of its own readers.
That point is made time and again by those readers in the very comments sections the paper is closing down.
In the end, it isn;t criticism of islam(ism) that the Guardian is shutting down, its criticism of the Guardian.
But there are far subtler ways to achieve the same aim.. My favourite one is silent moderation (you hide the posts of a poster from everyone apart from the poster himself)...
Welcome to the age of censorship, as the Guardian shuts down comments on its favourite topics.
The Guardian just admitted they lost the argument. Being reminded of this is just too painful...
As someone has just commented on the Grauniad article:
"In many ways, the Guardian is desperately out of touch with the opinions of people, even of a large fraction of its own readers. Shutting down commentary in an attempt to restrict it to "nice" and "acceptable" opinions that coincide with your own naïve and simplistic view of the world is not likely to help anything."
The Guardian newspaper is increasingly only bought by institutions (universities, the BBC, etc) and old-time readers (usually aged 50+). It will one day die, probably in only a few years time.
I don't know whether we can really say that many CIF commentators these are 'Guardian readers'. Many of them have particularly right-wing views. I recall some months ago many were avidly supporting Marine Le Pen, for example. The exact same people who seem to be very vocal against Guardian opinions on gender, race and religion on CIF are also likely to do a U-Turn if a certain Jeremy Corbyn expressed the same opinion. I remember when Corbyn, for example, posed the idea of gender segregated train carriages. This is an idea that CIF commentators, specifically those that comment on their life and style 'women' articles, would hate if, say Laura Bates posed the idea. Yet, funnily enough, quite a few were very supportive when comrade Jeremy stated it.
The Guardian is probably out touch, but then most newspapers seem to be these days. Most people don't read them, and those that have the time and energy to comment on articles seem to think that said newspaper does not represent their views. I'm thinking of the Mail here, whose online ''readers'' (if they even like the Mail) seemed to think the paper had a huge agenda against UKIP last year. Likewise, this was also the case for Telegraph readers, who probably think that the world is run by cultural Marxists.
Very sad re: Sir Terry Wogan. They used to have the Racing Bulletin during his show with news of inspections and the like and Terry used to grace it with the infamous "Wogan's Winner" though I suspect others had a hand in that as well.
Good interview by Tim Farron just now on Sky News though I'm sure others will say how bad it was.
I saw the David Lammy thing, this morning. The first thing I thought is I wonder what PB thinks of it all....
Less overwhelmingly against than I expected last night. He is not well thought of by most in these parts, but apparently it is a subject he actually knows something about, and it shows Cameron probably wants to actually achieve something by making the review as non partisan as possible.
I think it's a good thing. It's one of the few things I back this government on.
''Even that shows incompetence. Something like "We can't risk staying in the EU" would be much more effective.''
In the Spring, when the next tidal wave of immigrants hits Europe's shores, the news will be doing LEAVE's PR for them.
Look at the many popular sites now, aflame with stories about refugees, and consider that this is the quiet time, the closed season.
All that Leave have to do is remind everyone that within 4-5 years all these immigrants will have German passports and will be free to move to Britain as a fellow EU state.
It is called life, people are dying all the time, what has been special about the last couple. Have special people been dying.
One day, you will understand death, and not just in paper headlines and reassess your lack of empathy/sympathy. Terry gave enormous enjoyment to millions of people. He was special, that's why millions listened and watched him. Trouble is you are too sour faced to understand the word enjoy, you are too busy being miserable.
away you halfwit , you need to get a life. Methinks you are special and not in a good way.
Wogan, gave millions pleasure and will be missed.
Malcolmg, pleasures himself.
PB's village idiot makes an appearance
says the pub's drunken loudmouthed single topic bore
another village missing an idiot, they are swarming
Have you learnt nothing from recent sightings of the outrage bus? You can't talk about the Rural Learning Difficulties Community "swarming"....
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She is someone who seems to be driven by hate - and that is both unhealthy for her and for her 'contribution' to public life.
Nothing she has brought to the table feels positive - it is always coming from the negative.
I stopped paying attention when they stated that they were campaigning to stop domestic violence against women. Which, to my mind, flies in the face of their claim to be seeking equality. Campaign to stop domestic violence - FULL STOP. It doesn't matter if the victim is female or male. To focus on violence against women pushes the problems faced by men who are abused by their partners back off the agenda. Victims of domestic abuse ALL deserve proper respect and protection. No one group of victims is more deserving of support than others. Their refusal to acknowledge this destroys their claim to be seeking equality.
https://youtu.be/Y2MEN4-49dM
Why, just look at the ridiculous furore over use of an utterly inoffensive but casual term like 'bunch' or obamas 'we tortured some folks'
The top 1% of earners pay something like 25% of income tax.
It also helps if you build up a reputation about being on the money with your outspoken-ness - that way people pay attention to your plain-speaking. Otherwise you are at risk of just being a rent-a-gob rather than someone who can make a real difference.
As an aside, my current bets are:
Trump, long Presidency
Rubio, short nomination, long Presidency
Cruz, long nomination, short Presidency
Cruz, long Iowa
The grim reaper has started to rip into that colour TV generation.
Which type Jess is is in development, but some clearly hoped she was the on the money type and are disappointed. Others never thought she was.
She clearly thinks she's Big And Clever. Her attention seeking on BBCQT being a classic example.
On the same day as cyclefree's post there was reported to be a marauding gang of Swedish neo-Nazis looking to beat up immigrants. I was tongue-in-cheek wondering what the cultural influences that were driving them
So old fashioned and lazy, yet people nod along
But it wasn't exaggerating, it was bollox. And it was said with the precise intention of diminishing the significance of industrial scale sexual violence perpetrated by migrants recently arrived from the Middle East in order to defend her belief that such behaviour should not be used as an argument against open borders migration. If that is what she believes, she should have the courage to say so and her electorate can then make up their own minds.
What she said wasn't just a lie, it was political cowardice of the highest order.!
My favourite thing about Terry Wogan was that he described his wife of 50 plus years as "the present Mrs. Wogan".
Big move: Guardian will no longer allow comments on "race, immigration, Islam" articles. Wonder what next? @newsmary https://t.co/w4A7ClCQD2
Who will win the U19 Cricket World Cup ?
Does he still hold the record for longest putt holed on the telly?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Out-Ashes-Britain-after-riots/dp/0852653174
A colleague of mine once told me an amusing story once of the stunned reactions they received going into a staff Black and Minority Ethnic (silly phrase, it's Ethnic Minority, right? And I think its BAME now) forum as they thought she was lost. Her comment was White Other was an ethnic minority too (she's of Polish heritage). Now they seem to have quite a few White Others going along though.
Though with the Lammy appointment some have said that while on several other topics he has shown himself to be pretty dim, he actually knows things about this one. We'll see.
When newspapers start restricting freedom of speech, you know things have gone horribly wrong.
But it is just symptomatic of the SJW world view where only their opinions have any validity. No-one is allowed to hold a contrary position because they are automatically wrong.
This is typical of the regressive left and diminishes The Guardian massively.
It depends if you eventually want a harmonious colour blind society or one with lots of independent groups competing for their rights
As our Great Leader said: "Britain and Twitter: they're not the same thing"
It only really provokes comment when the level of condemnation is really extreme, and that's when extra care with language is important. And since you mention it, people taking your viking remark out of context and making it seem more central to your point than it in fact was, is a good example of the same sort of thing you are being accused of.
Good day to all.
Curtis dismissed the 45-year age difference with his sixth wife, Jill Curtis, when asked if he was worried about keeping up with a younger wife.
"What can I say - if she dies, she dies,"
Terry Wogan had a good innings I guess, though I am still sad he has gone
We sometimes forget how civilised this place is compared to almost any other anonymous comment section on the internet.
Maybe this is a budget thing.
If its greater than they are not even paying there fair share in a proportional system.
That guy is in trouble. For me, its not beyond the bounds of possibility he could be reshuffled. I reckon many are seriously underwhelmed by his dreadful autumn statement, google tax handling, and anti conservative budget plans.
I know I am.
On Sweden's entry in 1992: 'Christer has just a suspicion of Paddy Ashdown about him - I don't think it's a winner, but what do I know?'
But it is still a dreadful signal to send - we are shutting down debate.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/31/readers-editor-on-readers-comments-below-the-line?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia
There may be odious comments appearing on The Guardian's comment sections, rather than have the courage to publish them, and giving the commentators enough rope to hang themselves, The Guardian resorts to censorship. Pathetic decision from Stephen Pritchard.
Guardian readers filleting the latest piece of apology for Islamism was the only reason I ever went to that website.
But then, I usually do, not always with success.
The Times pre-mods everything and depending on who gets your comment to approve, its a lottery if you say something unkind to Lefties. Or a journalist's position. The bias of the mods there is very obvious. Things much lighter than my housetrained PB comments never see the light of day if I get the wrong mod. Whilst others get through from others on the same thread.
I made a comparison with Brian May's hair and a certain King George that got modded until I complained.
I did like that even outspoken Guido Fawles took steps, I believe, to handle commentary toxicity.
Yes one of the great characters of 80s sitcom IMO, I really loved that show
I am all for MPs having hyperbole in their argument armoury, but to fire off her bullets targeting the flippant and the crass is not the mark of a top flight politician.
She has much to learn.
Malcolmg, pleasures himself.
Setting up no-go areas is incredibly unhealthy
Read John Redwood's balanced explanation about Google etc and tax. Chancellors don't get involved in calculating a company's tax.
I want the right people to do a job, regardless of ethnicity or gender. You seem to be complaining that Lammy's got the job because he's black: I'm saying he just might have got the job because he's already knowledgeable about the subject.
Also, I think Lammy's position on this is not one that would necessarily be the first that comes to the mind of many left-thinkers.
It'll be interesting to see what the review comes up with, and how the old questions of correlation !=causation are handled.
Sadly my googlefu has failed to find the article but gives me this one instead...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/sep/12/comment-sections-toxic-moderation and http://www.niemanlab.org/2015/09/what-happened-after-7-news-sites-got-rid-of-reader-comments/
Sounds absolutely awful. Mind your language or The Kumars at 42?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_Come_The_Habibs!
I saw the David Lammy thing, this morning. The first thing I thought is I wonder what PB thinks of it all....
P.S I knew Jess Philips' comments would go down a storm on here, btw.
EDIT: RIP Terry Wogan. I had no idea he'd died until now. 2016 is increasingly becoming the year of high-profile deaths. First Bowie, then Alan Rickman, and now Wogan
"In many ways, the Guardian is desperately out of touch with the opinions of people, even of a large fraction of its own readers. Shutting down commentary in an attempt to restrict it to "nice" and "acceptable" opinions that coincide with your own naïve and simplistic view of the world is not likely to help anything."
The Guardian newspaper is increasingly only bought by institutions (universities, the BBC, etc) and old-time readers (usually aged 50+). It will one day die, probably in only a few years time.
Though their 'creative' tax position might buy them more time.
He's a Tottenham chappy who made good, spoke a lot of no excuses here re the riots and has the Check Your Privilege crowd covered for the politics.
He's not doing this alone - he's a figurehead to get enough to listen. I'd call that real politick.
I read yesterday [sorry can't recall where] that the crimes/sentencing rates are for the same cohorts. So blacks get higher sentences than whites for the same transgressions. Now that may be cultural sarky attitude before the beak that annoys them, jury profiles, that the beaks in largely black areas have a harder line attitude [rates vary largely across the country] or something else.
I don't care much about what Oxbridge admits - it's statistically tiny. The judicial system is another kettle of fish.
That point is made time and again by those readers in the very comments sections the paper is closing down.
In the end, it isn;t criticism of islam(ism) that the Guardian is shutting down, its criticism of the Guardian.
I don't know whether you saw BBC's Storyville "The Great Gangster Film Fraud". If not you or your lady will find a lot that's both recognizable and amusing!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06yrf2t
I can see what the Guardian is trying to achieve. What it doesn't seem to understand is that its better to keep the attacks on your own site rather than forcing them to move elsewhere where they have no control of the situation...
In the Spring, when the next tidal wave of immigrants hits Europe's shores, the news will be doing LEAVE's PR for them.
Look at the many popular sites now, aflame with stories about refugees, and consider that this is the quiet time, the closed season.
The Guardian is probably out touch, but then most newspapers seem to be these days. Most people don't read them, and those that have the time and energy to comment on articles seem to think that said newspaper does not represent their views. I'm thinking of the Mail here, whose online ''readers'' (if they even like the Mail) seemed to think the paper had a huge agenda against UKIP last year. Likewise, this was also the case for Telegraph readers, who probably think that the world is run by cultural Marxists.
Even on Sky today, the commentators were noting migrant fatigue/had enough/we can't take them all/just another drowned person.
Very sad re: Sir Terry Wogan. They used to have the Racing Bulletin during his show with news of inspections and the like and Terry used to grace it with the infamous "Wogan's Winner" though I suspect others had a hand in that as well.
Good interview by Tim Farron just now on Sky News though I'm sure others will say how bad it was.