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edited 2016 27 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » If all goes to Dave’s plan British voters will be filling in one of these in just 144 days

There’s something about seeing a ballot paper that makes an election very real and all the signs are that Cameron & Co are using their best endeavours to get it out of the way as soon as possible.

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  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    FPT: So do I a lot of the time, at least in more fantasy settings, my mage/caster is almost always female.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    You're on holiday then ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    The ultimate dead cat?

    Czech politicians have taken to social media in outrage following their president's suggestion that the prime minister could be "got rid of" by shooting him.

    President Milos Zeman - who is known for his outspokenness - admitted in a radio interview in December he wished he could sack Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. At a public meeting in southern Moravia on Monday, the president was asked how he would get rid of the prime minister, to which he replied: "The democratic option is one way, through free elections. The undemocratic option is a Kalashnikov."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35420550
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,754
    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    FPT: Mr. Eagles, being serious, a certain proportion of people find those of a different ethnicity very attractive. It's an evolutionary development to help encourage inter-breeding and help avoid in-breeding.

    Mr. Slackbladder, aye, had a high elf sorceress in Skyrim I got to level 60 odd.

    I do hope Elder Scrolls VI comes out soon. I'd guess 2017 is the very earliest it might.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    As I said yesterday, I think the public quite like the current state of affairs of us being a constant nuisance in the backseat of the EU car, but don't quite feel up to getting out the car and going hitchhiking with randomers.

    A grudging "In" vote is coming. And the issue will not be settled at all, despite this talk of the referendum "deciding once and for all" or "lancing the boil".
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    The ultimate dead cat?

    Czech politicians have taken to social media in outrage following their president's suggestion that the prime minister could be "got rid of" by shooting him.

    President Milos Zeman - who is known for his outspokenness - admitted in a radio interview in December he wished he could sack Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. At a public meeting in southern Moravia on Monday, the president was asked how he would get rid of the prime minister, to which he replied: "The democratic option is one way, through free elections. The undemocratic option is a Kalashnikov."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35420550

    Is it good if Czech politicians get a bounce?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    FPT: I've not played WoW since Cata, I jsut don't have the time to really devote to it. I do play Hearthstone which gives me me Blizzard fix though, and play RPGs on the PS4 now.

    Just trying to 'finish' Fallout. It's a game which I actually think is now 'too' big.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    welshowl said:

    The ultimate dead cat?

    Czech politicians have taken to social media in outrage following their president's suggestion that the prime minister could be "got rid of" by shooting him.

    President Milos Zeman - who is known for his outspokenness - admitted in a radio interview in December he wished he could sack Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. At a public meeting in southern Moravia on Monday, the president was asked how he would get rid of the prime minister, to which he replied: "The democratic option is one way, through free elections. The undemocratic option is a Kalashnikov."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35420550

    Is it good if Czech politicians get a bounce?
    Depends if he does an Aaron Burr
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Slackbladder, I do think games like Fallout/Elder Scrolls are as big as they ought to be.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,754

    FPT: I've not played WoW since Cata, I jsut don't have the time to really devote to it. I do play Hearthstone which gives me me Blizzard fix though, and play RPGs on the PS4 now.

    Just trying to 'finish' Fallout. It's a game which I actually think is now 'too' big.

    I've vanillaed you my battletag, Hearthstone is a great game.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    welshowl said:

    The ultimate dead cat?

    Czech politicians have taken to social media in outrage following their president's suggestion that the prime minister could be "got rid of" by shooting him.

    President Milos Zeman - who is known for his outspokenness - admitted in a radio interview in December he wished he could sack Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. At a public meeting in southern Moravia on Monday, the president was asked how he would get rid of the prime minister, to which he replied: "The democratic option is one way, through free elections. The undemocratic option is a Kalashnikov."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35420550

    Is it good if Czech politicians get a bounce?
    Better than Voodoo Poles :lol:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,754

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I've just checked the AV ballot "Yes" was above "No" in that too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    LEAVE = British and proud!
    REMAIN = Traitor Pig-Dogs!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    I thought the last poll from ORB was 36% Remain to 43% Leave (46/54 excluding don't knows)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I've just checked the AV ballot "Yes" was above "No" in that too.
    I might do another thread on AV based on that.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited 2016 27

    welshowl said:

    The ultimate dead cat?

    Czech politicians have taken to social media in outrage following their president's suggestion that the prime minister could be "got rid of" by shooting him.

    President Milos Zeman - who is known for his outspokenness - admitted in a radio interview in December he wished he could sack Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. At a public meeting in southern Moravia on Monday, the president was asked how he would get rid of the prime minister, to which he replied: "The democratic option is one way, through free elections. The undemocratic option is a Kalashnikov."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35420550

    Is it good if Czech politicians get a bounce?
    Depends if he does an Aaron Burr
    Had to Google him, I confess (HM Treasury will pick up 0.000001p tax I guess now on that?). At least there were no Kalashnikov's then.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    O/T, but @TSE did you go to Anfield last night?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    edited 2016 27
    welshowl said:

    welshowl said:

    The ultimate dead cat?

    Czech politicians have taken to social media in outrage following their president's suggestion that the prime minister could be "got rid of" by shooting him.

    President Milos Zeman - who is known for his outspokenness - admitted in a radio interview in December he wished he could sack Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. At a public meeting in southern Moravia on Monday, the president was asked how he would get rid of the prime minister, to which he replied: "The democratic option is one way, through free elections. The undemocratic option is a Kalashnikov."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35420550

    Is it good if Czech politicians get a bounce?
    Depends if he does an Aaron Burr
    Had to Google him, I confess (HM Treasury will pick up 0.000001p tax I guess now on that?). At least there were no Kalashnikov's then.
    For anyone who didn't get the reference

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr–Hamilton_duel

    The Burr–Hamilton duel was a duel between two prominent American politicians: the former secretary of the treasury, Alexander Hamilton, and sitting vice president, Aaron Burr, on July 11, 1804.[1] At Weehawken, in New Jersey, Burr shot and mortally wounded Hamilton. Hamilton was carried to the home of William Bayard on the Manhattan shore, where he died the next day.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    O/T but I'm always bemused by the indignation of families of IRA members when their intended victims *shot back at them.*

    http://www.u.tv/News/2016/01/26/SAS-acted-disproportionately-in-Loughgall-52929

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    edited 2016 27
    Sandpit said:

    O/T, but @TSE did you go to Anfield last night?

    I did.

    I thought at one point Jurgen Klopp (pbuh) was going to kill Alberto Moreno
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    The ultimate dead cat?

    Czech politicians have taken to social media in outrage following their president's suggestion that the prime minister could be "got rid of" by shooting him.

    President Milos Zeman - who is known for his outspokenness - admitted in a radio interview in December he wished he could sack Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka. At a public meeting in southern Moravia on Monday, the president was asked how he would get rid of the prime minister, to which he replied: "The democratic option is one way, through free elections. The undemocratic option is a Kalashnikov."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35420550

    The ultimate dead cat is actually doing it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I've just checked the AV ballot "Yes" was above "No" in that too.
    I might do another thread on AV based on that.
    Sunil J. Prasannan is calling for a total and complete shut-down of AV threads entering PB.com, until our Forum's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788

    FPT: Mr. Eagles, being serious, a certain proportion of people find those of a different ethnicity very attractive. It's an evolutionary development to help encourage inter-breeding and help avoid in-breeding.

    Mr. Slackbladder, aye, had a high elf sorceress in Skyrim I got to level 60 odd.

    I do hope Elder Scrolls VI comes out soon. I'd guess 2017 is the very earliest it might.

    Curiously enough my female caster (always called Solitare) has fairly dark skin, and white choppy hair, looking not unlike Halle Berry in X-Men.

    Which is strange, as as atrractive as Ms Berry is, I wouldn't put her at the top of list.

    On Fallout 4, I'm finding that I'm just wanting to 'finish' the main story now. I've lvl 57, so a bit overpowered, and i've ploughed a lot LOT of time into it now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    edited 2016 27

    Sandpit said:

    O/T, but @TSE did you go to Anfield last night?

    I did.

    I thought at one point Jurgen Klopp was going to kill Alberto Moreno
    Please can you excuse yourself from going there for the rest of the season?

    It was 02:45 here by the time it all finished, wasn't amused at getting about three hours' sleep!

    Am I right in saying that the only Liverpool win you've seen live this season was against the 4th division side the other week?

    And don't even think about trying to get Wembley tickets!! :P
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @skynewsniall: If the word "bunch" can in and of itself be deemed racist or inflammatory, that Chiquita banana lady has a lot to answer for.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    O/T, but @TSE did you go to Anfield last night?

    I did.

    I thought at one point Jurgen Klopp was going to kill Alberto Moreno
    Please can you excuse yourself from going there for the rest of the season?

    It was 02:45 here by the time it all finished, wasn't amused and had about three hours' sleep!

    Am I right in saying that the only Liverpool win you've seen live this season was against the 4th division side the other week?

    And don't even think about trying to get Wembley tickets!! :P
    I didn't get back to Manchester until 1am.

    My friend is a Wembley debenture holder and is getting me tickets for the final.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Slackbladder, my lady sniper was only around level 30 when I finished the main story. [For a first playthrough I tend to get the main quest done pretty quickly].

    It's a big step up from Fallout 3, I think.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    Who's answering the phone in the phone polls? What findings were there from the GE post mortem?

    I ask because the level of don't knows at c.10% seem very low to me compared to the online polls. I know the online pollsters use a more 'politically engaged' panel. So that would suggest most people out there on the street have already made up their mind it's better to stay in. A bit like Cameron.

    Really?

    If you believe the phone polls, then the 7/1 Ladbrokes odds for Remain at 60-65% looks like value.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I've just checked the AV ballot "Yes" was above "No" in that too.
    I might do another thread on AV based on that.
    Be still my beating heart!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited 2016 27

    Who's answering the phone in the phone polls? What findings were there from the GE post mortem?

    I ask because the level of don't knows at c.10% seem very low to me compared to the online polls. I know the online pollsters use a more 'politically engaged' panel. So that would suggest most people out there on the street have already made up their mind it's better to stay in. A bit like Cameron.

    Really?

    If you believe the phone polls, then the 7/1 Ladbrokes odds for Remain at 60-65% looks like value.

    That would be my pick of the bets at present, though it may be based on a completely wrong analysis. A June 23 poll could be a rout for Out - it's in the middle of the Euros too, and England won't* have been knocked out yet.


    * Disclaimer: you never know.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788

    Mr. Slackbladder, my lady sniper was only around level 30 when I finished the main story. [For a first playthrough I tend to get the main quest done pretty quickly].

    It's a big step up from Fallout 3, I think.

    I got a bit sidetracked playing house/camp with my character and Piper... *cough*
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Sean_F said:

    I thought the last poll from ORB was 36% Remain to 43% Leave (46/54 excluding don't knows)

    That poll did not feature the question on the ballot. It was a pan European poll with a generic question. Also not included because it didn't ask the actual question is Lord Ashcroft's December survey.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
    I'll be amazed if there isn't a rabbit. Possibly there will be a colony of rabbits.

    I'd venture further into collective nouns but that's dangerous territory today it seems.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476

    FPT: Mr. Eagles, being serious, a certain proportion of people find those of a different ethnicity very attractive. It's an evolutionary development to help encourage inter-breeding and help avoid in-breeding.

    Very true MD.
    However it's way before the lagershed for further details on that subject.

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Can anyone remind me how Liverpool did last night
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
    I think it will be a guarantee that we can continue to have red post boxes, or something equally significant.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    I'd venture further into collective nouns but that's dangerous territory today it seems.

    Flocking hell
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Slackbladder, ha, Piper was my first long-term companion too.

    Mr. F, alas, I agree with that prediction. We need a First Amendment type law. I'd be staggered if we got anywhere close to it.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    He's got his party back awwwrighhhtttttttttttt!

    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton
    Neil Kinnock: Corbyn may have to resign or face leadership challenge if Labour fails to improve http://bit.ly/1ZSPhUj
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
    I'll be amazed if there isn't a rabbit. Possibly there will be a colony of rabbits.

    I'd venture further into collective nouns but that's dangerous territory today it seems.
    If they can get an agreement in February surely they will and go in June. Delaying the vote until the autumn, just for panto, seems unwise.

    Though generally pessimistic about Remain, even I would agree it's favourite if the referendum is in June.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    edited 2016 27

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    O/T, but @TSE did you go to Anfield last night?

    I did.

    I thought at one point Jurgen Klopp was going to kill Alberto Moreno
    Please can you excuse yourself from going there for the rest of the season?

    It was 02:45 here by the time it all finished, wasn't amused and had about three hours' sleep!

    Am I right in saying that the only Liverpool win you've seen live this season was against the 4th division side the other week?

    And don't even think about trying to get Wembley tickets!! :P
    I didn't get back to Manchester until 1am.

    My friend is a Wembley debenture holder and is getting me tickets for the final.
    Noooooooooooo!!!!!

    Seriously though, great to see Liverpool at Wembley again, really hoping it's the derby game.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Can anyone remind me how Liverpool did last night

    They lost but won.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449

    Sounds good, Mr. Max, but would straightforward income tax be even fairer, easier to collect and very difficult to fiddle?

    If memory serves, until 1964 companies were treated as individuals and taxed on income (albeit with squillions of exemptions and loopholes). Then the Wilson government introduced an additional "Profits Tax" and that has since morphed into what we now know as Corporation Tax. Perhaps it is time to go back to what corporations and companies were originally set up for - to be treated as individuals in law.

    If a company wants to do business in the UK then it wants to take advantage of the physical and legal infrastructure of the UK and so can damn well cough up a percentage of its earnings to pay for those things. A company income tax, set at a suitable level with no exemptions or allowances, would knock all fiddles on the head, Starbucks, Google, Amazon, Apple et al would all be paying their share.

    Oh, I'd also make it an offence punishable by a minimum five year term of imprisonment for any CEO and CFO whose company was found guilty of not paying due taxes and the whole board of directors (including non-executives) would be disqualified for life from any UK directorship or position of public office.

    Do you mean a turnover tax? That would unfairly penalise low margin businesses such as retailing and the issue there is that what may start out as a way to get foreign companies to pay tax will morph into a turnover tax on all companies in Britain under a future Labour government.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2016 27
    A murder of crows is quite colourful, I could see eyebrows raised if Cameron has said that. :wink:

    I'd venture further into collective nouns but that's dangerous territory today it seems.

    Flocking hell
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    A murder of magpies is quite colourful, I could see eyebrows raised if Cameron has said that. :wink:

    I'd venture further into collective nouns but that's dangerous territory today it seems.

    Flocking hell
    A parliament of owls :)
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,029

    Can anyone remind me how Liverpool did last night

    Rod says it became capital of the universe. Again.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Leaving apart alphabetical positioning, I'm intrigued why a majority for leave is in red!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    edited 2016 27

    Who's answering the phone in the phone polls? What findings were there from the GE post mortem?

    I ask because the level of don't knows at c.10% seem very low to me compared to the online polls. I know the online pollsters use a more 'politically engaged' panel. So that would suggest most people out there on the street have already made up their mind it's better to stay in. A bit like Cameron.

    Really?

    If you believe the phone polls, then the 7/1 Ladbrokes odds for Remain at 60-65% looks like value.

    That would be my pick of the bets at present, though it may be based on a completely wrong analysis. A June 23 poll could be a rout for Out - it's in the middle of the Euros too, and England won't* have been knocked out yet.


    * Disclaimer: you never know.
    I wonder if there's an element of Government thinking at present to avoid finalising and announcing the deal for as long as possible to avoid May knowing it and therefore declaring for Leave.

    Edit: by which I mean become its leader

    The snap referendum is then held only a few weeks later (say 6-8 weeks) leaving very little time for Leave to establish itself, whilst throughout the year Remain have been drip dripping out scare stories and endorsements according to their battlegrid and have secured a clear public narrative.

    I think Leave need to compel May to put up or shut up by end Feb at the latest. One more month.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Wanderer, I know that's the conventional wisdom, but I'm starting to wonder if it's wrong.

    The migrant crisis won't get better in that time. It might be improving by mid-2017. At the moment, I think the migrant crisis is the only issue that could conceivably win it for Leave.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    The word Bunch seems to be very popular in the HOC debate going on at the moment..
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,754

    He's got his party back awwwrighhhtttttttttttt!

    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton
    Neil Kinnock: Corbyn may have to resign or face leadership challenge if Labour fails to improve http://bit.ly/1ZSPhUj

    Kinnock needs to fuck off and join the Tories :D
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    He's got his party back awwwrighhhtttttttttttt!

    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton
    Neil Kinnock: Corbyn may have to resign or face leadership challenge if Labour fails to improve http://bit.ly/1ZSPhUj

    Closet Tory
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    MaxPB said:

    Sounds good, Mr. Max, but would straightforward income tax be even fairer, easier to collect and very difficult to fiddle?

    If memory serves, until 1964 companies were treated as individuals and taxed on income (albeit with squillions of exemptions and loopholes). Then the Wilson government introduced an additional "Profits Tax" and that has since morphed into what we now know as Corporation Tax. Perhaps it is time to go back to what corporations and companies were originally set up for - to be treated as individuals in law.

    If a company wants to do business in the UK then it wants to take advantage of the physical and legal infrastructure of the UK and so can damn well cough up a percentage of its earnings to pay for those things. A company income tax, set at a suitable level with no exemptions or allowances, would knock all fiddles on the head, Starbucks, Google, Amazon, Apple et al would all be paying their share.

    Oh, I'd also make it an offence punishable by a minimum five year term of imprisonment for any CEO and CFO whose company was found guilty of not paying due taxes and the whole board of directors (including non-executives) would be disqualified for life from any UK directorship or position of public office.

    Do you mean a turnover tax? That would unfairly penalise low margin businesses such as retailing and the issue there is that what may start out as a way to get foreign companies to pay tax will morph into a turnover tax on all companies in Britain under a future Labour government.
    A good point that whatever we do to increase the tax take from multinational companies, we need to ensure it's protected from being turned into an almighty raid by future socialists who don't have the balls to raise income tax to pay for their spending plans.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    O/T, but @TSE did you go to Anfield last night?

    I did.

    I thought at one point Jurgen Klopp was going to kill Alberto Moreno
    Please can you excuse yourself from going there for the rest of the season?

    It was 02:45 here by the time it all finished, wasn't amused and had about three hours' sleep!

    Am I right in saying that the only Liverpool win you've seen live this season was against the 4th division side the other week?

    And don't even think about trying to get Wembley tickets!! :P
    I didn't get back to Manchester until 1am.

    My friend is a Wembley debenture holder and is getting me tickets for the final.
    Noooooooooooo!!!!!

    Seriously though, great to see Liverpool at Wembley again, really hoping it's the derby game.
    Me too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    Sean_F said:

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
    I think it will be a guarantee that we can continue to have red post boxes, or something equally significant.
    That's swung it for me. Remain it is.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Slackbladder, I do think games like Fallout/Elder Scrolls are as big as they ought to be.

    I put about 600 hours into my first playthrough of Skyrim, (obviously I didn't stay on the main quest) and probably about the same again on the second and third plays (though the last was heavily modded, which added a lot of new game play). I haven't touched FallOut4 but my mate has being playing it, "For about six hours a day" (his words), since it was released still has barely scratched the main quest line. In terms of pounds per hour of entertainment the Bethesda games are astonishing value.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
    I'll be amazed if there isn't a rabbit. Possibly there will be a colony of rabbits.

    I'd venture further into collective nouns but that's dangerous territory today it seems.
    But we'll only find out they're terminally infected with myxomatosis six months down the line.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    http://www.newstatesman.com/2015/12/designed-life-creating-technology-encourages-behavioural-change

    Bizarre advertorial in the New Statesman. Reminds me of the weird SEO junk ads that started to clog up Liberal Conspiracy when Sunny was trying to milk a bit of cash out of the blog's last legs (or to be more generous, get the hosting bill paid).

    My all-time favourite was "British government to back health?", a piece of nonsense that starts

    The British government has backed national health via the NHS (National Health Service) since 1948 and continues to do so by creating television advertisements on prime time programs, advising the people of Britain to eat healthier. According to an article by the BBC, there is controversy on this advertising campaign, with some people pointing out that the main beneficiaries are in fact, commercial stores that offer the goods presented in the advertisement.

    The commercial, part of the Change4Life campaign by the NHS to reduce the annual £5bn expense caused by obesity in the UK, shows characters made by Aardman (Creators of the Wallace and Gromit characters) changing their lifestyles in positive and healthier manners. Some critics are still sceptical that big time companies will merely use this as an excuse to exploit marketing of healthier foods in their favour.

    Spending government funds for potentially, a commercial increase for privately owned businesses has raised questions as to whether the money should be spent on different projects to help the government. Potential draw backs of this campaign is that consumers may ignore it, and that stores will not participate in the scheme, as this is a voluntary set up
    ... then after all this, morphs into an advert for compression socks.

    I also quite liked The Business of Holidays (which rather disturbingly used a twee discussion about Valentine's Day presents to spam a link for gifts for grandparents) and Taking Charge of Costs of Education, which decries the increasing cost of going to university, and which turns out to be the hook to advertise a credit card comparison service on.

    For irony alone, one of left-wing "new media's" crowning moments. I feel sorry for all the trendy young lefty people who seek a career as a "professional writer" working on the internet - the new frontier of technology! - and find themselves having to type out this kind of tripe.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Llama, indeed. At the risk of living up to the Yorkshire stereotype, that is a big plus (it's also an advantage of The Witcher 3).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    Who's answering the phone in the phone polls? What findings were there from the GE post mortem?

    I ask because the level of don't knows at c.10% seem very low to me compared to the online polls. I know the online pollsters use a more 'politically engaged' panel. So that would suggest most people out there on the street have already made up their mind it's better to stay in. A bit like Cameron.

    Really?

    If you believe the phone polls, then the 7/1 Ladbrokes odds for Remain at 60-65% looks like value.

    That would be my pick of the bets at present, though it may be based on a completely wrong analysis. A June 23 poll could be a rout for Out - it's in the middle of the Euros too, and England won't* have been knocked out yet.


    * Disclaimer: you never know.
    That's lost on me.

    I have less than zero interest in football, and don't understand why others do.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    edited 2016 27

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I've just checked the AV ballot "Yes" was above "No" in that too.
    I might do another thread on AV based on that.
    Sunil J. Prasannan is calling for a total and complete shut-down of AV threads entering PB.com, until our Forum's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!
    You'll be delighted to know Sunday's thread is Star Trek themed and compares George Osborne to James T. Kirk.

    I'm also writing a thread comparing Corbyn and the Corbynistas to King Théoden and The Rohirrim and the 2020 general election being their cavalry charge at The Battle of The Pelennor Fields.

    That scene still gives me the goosebumps and possibly the horn as I have a thing for cavalry charges.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Who's answering the phone in the phone polls? What findings were there from the GE post mortem?

    I ask because the level of don't knows at c.10% seem very low to me compared to the online polls. I know the online pollsters use a more 'politically engaged' panel. So that would suggest most people out there on the street have already made up their mind it's better to stay in. A bit like Cameron.

    Really?

    If you believe the phone polls, then the 7/1 Ladbrokes odds for Remain at 60-65% looks like value.

    That would be my pick of the bets at present, though it may be based on a completely wrong analysis. A June 23 poll could be a rout for Out - it's in the middle of the Euros too, and England won't* have been knocked out yet.


    * Disclaimer: you never know.
    That's lost on me.

    I have less than zero interest in football, and don't understand why others do.
    Less boring than Test Cricket :lol:
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Sean_F said:

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
    I think it will be a guarantee that we can continue to have red post boxes, or something equally significant.
    I was hoping that we can continue to drive on the left.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    Because its the status quo?
    The Indyref question was the other way round though.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35419500

    I'll bet Rachel Cohen is a member of the Jezbollah.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    I have never seen a a party in such disarrays as the current Labour one..The world is embroiled in wars..Terrorism is rife and going Global ..millions of refugees are preparing for the trek to Europe..the domestic economic scenario is far from rosy and the Opposition Party..Labour..are in purple faced rage because the PM described a group of these
    migrants as a bunch.. ..Yvette Cooper even tried to tie his remark into showing disrespect to victims of the Holocaust...Time for the Party to disband
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    edited 2016 27
    Mr. Eagles, cavalry loses to infantry.

    One of the notable changes in the Roman army as the West declined was a reduction in the legion to just 1,000 men, and an emphasis instead on cavalry.

    The Thessalians had great cavalry, and lost to the Macedonians. The Numidians had great cavalry, and lost to the Romans. The Romans had worthless cavalry, and conquered everyone for centuries.

    Edited extra bit: the French had great cavalry at Agincourt, for that matter.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Christian May
    Libor trial latest: Jury finds 5 of 6 brokers NOT GUILTY. More soon.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Meanwhile in other EU news:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/674647a6-c4f9-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/brussels/feed//product#axzz3ySTlWyGL

    "Brussels took its first step towards reimposing border checks on Greece on Wednesday, announcing it had found “serious deficiencies” with Athens’ handling of the massive influx of refugees from the Middle East and giving it three months to fix its migrant system."

    "Alongside the Schengen move, the European Commission has also recommended sending assistance to Macedonia so it can shore up its border with Greece — the main crossing point for refugees moving north into Germany and points north."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    Can anyone remind me how Liverpool did last night

    Liverpool qualified for another final.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Pew Research
    Half of American say they'd be less likely to support an atheist for president https://t.co/yePSRFWZPE https://t.co/S1frxH7lj3
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    Mr. Eagles, cavalry loses to infantry.

    One of the notable changes in the Roman army as the West declined was a reduction in the legion to just 1,000 men, and an emphasis instead on cavalry.

    The Thessalians had great cavalry, and lost to the Macedonians. The Numidians had great cavalry, and lost to the Romans. The Romans had worthless cavalry, and conquered everyone for centuries.

    Edited extra bit: the French had great cavalry at Agincourt, for that matter.

    But I bet you can't remember many infantry charges can you ?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Presented without comment. Unless this is comment: :D

    https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/692340184390733824
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Polls conducted this year give Remain a 1% lead.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MaxPB said:

    Sounds good, Mr. Max, but would straightforward income tax be even fairer, easier to collect and very difficult to fiddle?

    If memory serves, until 1964 companies were treated as individuals and taxed on income (albeit with squillions of exemptions and loopholes). Then the Wilson government introduced an additional "Profits Tax" and that has since morphed into what we now know as Corporation Tax. Perhaps it is time to go back to what corporations and companies were originally set up for - to be treated as individuals in law.

    If a company wants to do business in the UK then it wants to take advantage of the physical and legal infrastructure of the UK and so can damn well cough up a percentage of its earnings to pay for those things. A company income tax, set at a suitable level with no exemptions or allowances, would knock all fiddles on the head, Starbucks, Google, Amazon, Apple et al would all be paying their share.

    Oh, I'd also make it an offence punishable by a minimum five year term of imprisonment for any CEO and CFO whose company was found guilty of not paying due taxes and the whole board of directors (including non-executives) would be disqualified for life from any UK directorship or position of public office.

    Do you mean a turnover tax? That would unfairly penalise low margin businesses such as retailing and the issue there is that what may start out as a way to get foreign companies to pay tax will morph into a turnover tax on all companies in Britain under a future Labour government.
    No, Mr. Max, I mean an income tax payable by every company, British or Foreign owned, on the money they earn from doing business in the UK. Forget corporation tax, just a straightforward income tax instead payable by all businesses who do business in the UK with no exemptions, no allowances, no loopholes and imprisonment and professional ruin for those directors whose companies are caught not paying up.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    edited 2016 27
    You know that all sense of perspective has been lost when even the DT keep the PMQs live blog running, and rename it to be about the PMs comments on migrants that all the lefties are queueing up to criticise. Some are even trying to link it to Holocaust Memorial Day.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs/12124618/PMQs-live-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-David-Cameron-go-head-to-head-on-January-27.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    Sean_F said:

    @JohnRentoul · 28m28 minutes ago
    Young @MattChorley's homework will be marked on 20 Feb (Times Red Box email)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZu4vjEXEAI_oGV.png

    I half agree with Matt Chorley. I think the deal is essentially done (indeed, a couple of EU figures have more or less said as much). But for maximum impact, I think we'll get one more bit of panto at the February meeting and a "grand" bargain struck at the April meeting, just in time for the local election cycle.

    I think there could be a rabbit. It may well be linked to Gove's draft British Bill of Rights.
    I think it will be a guarantee that we can continue to have red post boxes, or something equally significant.
    I was hoping that we can continue to drive on the left.
    It'll be the British Sausage.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    edited 2016 27
    Mr. Eagles, Caesar, at Dyrrachium.

    Admittedly, that was running away from the enemy.

    Edited extra bit: Alexander had one in his very early kingship. I forget the place, unfortunately (it's in Dodge's biography).

    Alexander had just become king and the hegemony over Greece, Epirus etc that his father had established needed to be put back together, as the 'allies' had chosen to try and stop being submissive to Macedon upon Philip's death.

    Alexander was campaigning somewhere or other (maybe Illyria/Epirus?), and found himself in an impossible position. He couldn't retreat, but his enemies had huge numbers of skirmishers and any advance seemed impossible.

    He adopted an ingenious but very odd strategem. Retiring to a safe distance, he had the army go through drills. The sarissa is a tricky spear to use, being around 16 feet long [at this time], so there are lots of manoeuvres that need to be learnt. He had the army go through that, then practice wheeling, turning, etc. For hours.

    The enemy watched, then grew bored, then half of them nodded off. And then Alexander suddenly had the whole army charge.

    The enemy were crushed. Naturally.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I've just checked the AV ballot "Yes" was above "No" in that too.
    I might do another thread on AV based on that.
    Sunil J. Prasannan is calling for a total and complete shut-down of AV threads entering PB.com, until our Forum's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!
    You'll be delighted to know Sunday's thread is Star Trek themed and compares George Osborne to James T. Kirk.

    Cool! Will there be a "Khan" involved? :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    Mr. Eagles, Caesar, at Dyrrachium.

    Admittedly, that was running away from the enemy.

    Did you see my reply on Dyrrachium on the previous thread ?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    @MaxPB:

    I've been thinking about problems with your operating margin idea. There are two possible isses:

    1. Genuinely cross border transactions: If I sign up as an Amazon Web Services customer, where my contract is with Amazon Inc (and the server I'm renting is in the US), does that count as part of UK sales, or do we just add up the consolidated sales of UK limited companies as part of the Amazon group?

    2. Companies where there are lots of different margin profiles (i.e. conglomerates). If I have a widget distribution business in the US earning me margins on 2% on massive volumes, and I have a software business in the UK with margins of 25%, leading to an overall group margin of 3%, then I'll just pay tax at 3% on my UK software business. It will encourage companies to bulk up low margin businesses to make it hard to catch them.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    edited 2016 27
    I hear Cameron's original proposal for the referendum had the following question:

    Do you believe that the United Kingdom of Great Britain is:

    [ ] Wonderful, and I'd like to stay in the EU please
    [ ] Utterly shit, and I'd like to make it worse by leaving the EU
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I blame The Clash for the order - "Should I stay or should I go now?"
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 11s12 seconds ago
    A jury has acquitted five out of six brokers in the trial over the rigging of the global interbank #Libor rate
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why is remain at the top of the ballot, "L" comes before "R" in the alphabet so far as I can recall.

    Because it's the first option in the referendum question.

    Yes, I realise that begs a further question.
    I've just checked the AV ballot "Yes" was above "No" in that too.
    I might do another thread on AV based on that.
    Sunil J. Prasannan is calling for a total and complete shut-down of AV threads entering PB.com, until our Forum's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!
    You'll be delighted to know Sunday's thread is Star Trek themed and compares George Osborne to James T. Kirk.

    Cool! Will there be a "Khan" involved? :)
    No. I did do a Wrath of Khan thread last year. Was too subtle for most PBers.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/09/11/yes-we-khan-sadiq-khan-wins-the-london-mayoral-nomination-59-to-41/
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    I cannot see a June referendum happening. It would be rushed and open to being challenged.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    edited 2016 27

    Mr. Eagles, cavalry loses to infantry.

    One of the notable changes in the Roman army as the West declined was a reduction in the legion to just 1,000 men, and an emphasis instead on cavalry.

    The Thessalians had great cavalry, and lost to the Macedonians. The Numidians had great cavalry, and lost to the Romans. The Romans had worthless cavalry, and conquered everyone for centuries.

    Edited extra bit: the French had great cavalry at Agincourt, for that matter.

    That depends on the circumstances. Having cavalry charging well-trained infantry armed with pikes, and/or projectile weapons is usually a fiasco. Particularly if the cavalry decide to ride through a bog, as at Bannockburn.

    But, if the cavalry have managed to outflank the infantry, or catch them unawares, then the carnage is terrible on the other side, eg the charge of the Heavy Brigade at Waterloo inflicted thousands of casualties on the French infantry.

    As it happens, some notable Roman commanders like Claudius Marcellus, Belisarius and Pompey made their names as cavalry fighters.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    edited 2016 27
    Mr. Eagles, no, I was away at that time. Also, check my post below for an edited extra bit on an infantry charge.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. F, Edward II was not a great leader of men.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2016 27
    O/T:

    Averages of the 7 Swedish opinion polls conducted so far this year:

    Socialists 23.9%
    Moderate 23.1%
    Sweden Democrats 21.5%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018#Poll_results
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    MaxPB said:

    Sounds good, Mr. Max, but would straightforward income tax be even fairer, easier to collect and very difficult to fiddle?

    If memory serves, until 1964 companies were treated as individuals and taxed on income (albeit with squillions of exemptions and loopholes). Then the Wilson government introduced an additional "Profits Tax" and that has since morphed into what we now know as Corporation Tax. Perhaps it is time to go back to what corporations and companies were originally set up for - to be treated as individuals in law.

    If a company wants to do business in the UK then it wants to take advantage of the physical and legal infrastructure of the UK and so can damn well cough up a percentage of its earnings to pay for those things. A company income tax, set at a suitable level with no exemptions or allowances, would knock all fiddles on the head, Starbucks, Google, Amazon, Apple et al would all be paying their share.

    Oh, I'd also make it an offence punishable by a minimum five year term of imprisonment for any CEO and CFO whose company was found guilty of not paying due taxes and the whole board of directors (including non-executives) would be disqualified for life from any UK directorship or position of public office.

    Do you mean a turnover tax? That would unfairly penalise low margin businesses such as retailing and the issue there is that what may start out as a way to get foreign companies to pay tax will morph into a turnover tax on all companies in Britain under a future Labour government.
    No, Mr. Max, I mean an income tax payable by every company, British or Foreign owned, on the money they earn from doing business in the UK. Forget corporation tax, just a straightforward income tax instead payable by all businesses who do business in the UK with no exemptions, no allowances, no loopholes and imprisonment and professional ruin for those directors whose companies are caught not paying up.
    Multinational businesses don't evade tax, by and large, by using loopholes. They evade taxes by the wonder of transfer pricing.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Sandpit said:

    You know that all sense of perspective has been lost when even the DT keep the PMQs live blog running, and rename it to be about the PMs comments on migrants that all the lefties are queueing up to criticise. Some are even trying to link it to Holocaust Memorial Day.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs/12124618/PMQs-live-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-David-Cameron-go-head-to-head-on-January-27.html

    You need to pause there and consider that you used 'perspective' in the same sentence as 'Telegraph'.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    Meanwhile in other EU news:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/674647a6-c4f9-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/brussels/feed//product#axzz3ySTlWyGL

    "Brussels took its first step towards reimposing border checks on Greece on Wednesday, announcing it had found “serious deficiencies” with Athens’ handling of the massive influx of refugees from the Middle East and giving it three months to fix its migrant system."

    "Alongside the Schengen move, the European Commission has also recommended sending assistance to Macedonia so it can shore up its border with Greece — the main crossing point for refugees moving north into Germany and points north."

    At what point is Greece effectively ejected from the EU?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,016

    Pew Research
    Half of American say they'd be less likely to support an atheist for president https://t.co/yePSRFWZPE https://t.co/S1frxH7lj3

    What was Trump, last time he was asked? And the time before that?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Averages of the 7 Swedish opinion polls conducted so far this year:

    Socialists 23.9%
    Moderate 23.1%
    Sweden Democrats 21.5%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018#Poll_results

    Unless the Swedish Democrats get 30%+ I don't think anyone else will dance.
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