I don't like Brown or Cameron. Or Corbyn, Osborne, May, Burnham, Cooper, or Umunna, either of the Hunts, Jarvis, Kendall or Morgan. I'm not that keen on any of them at all, really. General Elections are a real disappointment to me!
I don't like Brown or Cameron. Or Corbyn, Osborne, May, Burnham, Cooper, or Umunna, either of the Hunts, Jarvis, Kendall or Morgan. I'm not that keen on any of them at all, really. General Elections are a real disappointment to me!
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
Ah, so it's that old chestnut as to why he's a disgusting human being, not just a politician you dislike. Message received.
I wish I could get the plug-in to work properly with Chrome - then I could avoid reading the smears that a certain poster relishes making time after time.
Cameron's bunch comment will go down well with Millwall and Chelsea fans. I find it inconceivable how he could even allow that kind of comment into his mindset. It is beyond political misspeak
Note quite as perfect as Cameron's geezer boy, bully boy speak which comes out when he lets his guard down. I doubt we have ever had someone who is quite so deeply personally repellant as PM Cameron. I doubt after Cameron has finished his time you will have very many people saying what a decent man he is. You can take the man out of Bullingdon, but you cannot take the Bullingdon out of the man.
The nuclear style mushroom cloud above Gordon's head is just so perfect.
David Cameron's 'bunch' comment will be very popular with the voters and will not be a negative in any way for him. The losers tonight are Corbyn, Cooper and all the pc brigade
I don't like Brown or Cameron. Or Corbyn, Osborne, May, Burnham, Cooper, or Umunna, either of the Hunts, Jarvis, Kendall or Morgan. I'm not that keen on any of them at all, really. General Elections are a real disappointment to me!
How about Livingstone, Abbott, McDonnell, Salmond, Leanne Woods, Natalie Bennett to add a few
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
Cameron's bunch comment will go down well with Millwall and Chelsea fans. I find it inconceivable how he could even allow that kind of comment into his mindset. It is beyond political misspeak
Note quite as perfect as Cameron's geezer boy, bully boy speak which comes out when he lets his guard down. I doubt we have ever had someone who is quite so deeply personally repellant as PM Cameron. I doubt after Cameron has finished his time you will have very many people saying what a decent man he is. You can take the man out of Bullingdon, but you cannot take the Bullingdon out of the man.
The nuclear style mushroom cloud above Gordon's head is just so perfect.
David Cameron's 'bunch' comment will be very popular with the voters and will not be a negative in any way for him. The losers tonight are Corbyn, Cooper and all the pc brigade
What nonsense. I don't think it will be popular or unpopular, it was such a nothing comment. It was a standard position that, for reasons beyond my comprehension (other than the tactic to make a big deal out of a small thing in order to feel good about hopefully stopping that small thing - eg someone saying a bad thing - as a substitute for doing anything of substance), people are trying to turn into a twitter storm. The swarm comment reaction made some level of sense even if people disagreed about its offensiveness - insects swarm and we don't like them, right? - but this one? Sheer, unbridled stupidity, neither left nor right.
Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,
The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?
DARK CHRISTMAS CHRISTMAS IS COMING (Game of Thrones fans will know what you mean) or, combined... DARK CHRISTMAS IS COMING
I can predict the reply to those suggestions - anything with Christmas in only sells in November / December?
A Death Foretold?
Yep. You can allude to Xmas but saying it is commercial death.
Chronicle of a Death Foretold is a famous book
Cancel Santa
Can't believe I missed this - I love thinking up titles for things. (tee hee @ 'Cancel Santa')
The advent cullendar? The badvent calendar? (joking)
10 more sleeps? (half joking - something along these lines might work as a strapline?)
Silent Night? (because she's dead innit)
SILENT NIGHT
she's got 10 more sleeps...
There we go. A bit 'Goosebumps' for your purposes perhaps!
Love's Portent - ambiguity as to whether it the step-son's love for his mother, or the new wife's love for the father.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
Cameron's bunch comment will go down well with Millwall and Chelsea fans. I find it inconceivable how he could even allow that kind of comment into his mindset. It is beyond political misspeak
Note quite as perfect as Cameron's geezer boy, bully boy speak which comes out when he lets his guard down. I doubt we have ever had someone who is quite so deeply personally repellant as PM Cameron. I doubt after Cameron has finished his time you will have very many people saying what a decent man he is. You can take the man out of Bullingdon, but you cannot take the Bullingdon out of the man.
The nuclear style mushroom cloud above Gordon's head is just so perfect.
David Cameron's 'bunch' comment will be very popular with the voters and will not be a negative in any way for him. The losers tonight are Corbyn, Cooper and all the pc brigade
He speaks for a large majority of people who see hundreds of thugs invading the tunnel and ferries, attacking haulage drivers doing their jobs and in many cases, have no right to asylum in the UK. They are on French soil and France needs to process them
I don't like Brown or Cameron. Or Corbyn, Osborne, May, Burnham, Cooper, or Umunna, either of the Hunts, Jarvis, Kendall or Morgan. I'm not that keen on any of them at all, really. General Elections are a real disappointment to me!
Hey TFS. Top of the League!
I see that no firefighter redundancies and the brass hats in Birstall may get chopped instead:
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
Ah, so it's that old chestnut as to why he's a disgusting human being, not just a politician you dislike. Message received.
I wish I could get the plug-in to work properly with Chrome - then I could avoid reading the smears that a certain poster relishes making time after time.
It is such a stupid complaint, and honestly says more about those who make it than Cameron.
Of course when Cameron thinks or talks about the NHS he mentions Ivan, it is by far the most important experience of NHS care Cameron has ever had.
I think it would be a bit odd if Cameron never mentioned that Ivan had intensive NHS care throughout his entire life, and I do not doubt for a moment his sincere gratitude to those who provided that care. Frankly the idea that Cameron sees everything that happened to his son, including his eventual death, as an opportunity for political gain is a barmy one.
I don't like Brown or Cameron. Or Corbyn, Osborne, May, Burnham, Cooper, or Umunna, either of the Hunts, Jarvis, Kendall or Morgan. I'm not that keen on any of them at all, really. General Elections are a real disappointment to me!
Hey TFS. Top of the League!
I see that no firefighter redundancies and the brass hats in Birstall may get chopped instead:
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
Ah, so it's that old chestnut as to why he's a disgusting human being, not just a politician you dislike. Message received.
I wish I could get the plug-in to work properly with Chrome - then I could avoid reading the smears that a certain poster relishes making time after time.
It is such a stupid complaint, and honestly says more about those who make it than Cameron.
Of course when Cameron thinks or talks about the NHS he mentions Ivan, it is by far the most important experience of NHS care Cameron has ever had.
I think it would be a bit odd if Cameron never mentioned that Ivan had intensive NHS care throughout his entire life, and I do not doubt for a moment his sincere gratitude to those who provided that care. Frankly the idea that Cameron sees everything that happened to his son, including his eventual death, as an opportunity for political gain is a barmy one.
Absolutely. It is a huge part of his life and one of the defining aspects of his political motivation.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
Ah, so it's that old chestnut as to why he's a disgusting human being, not just a politician you dislike. Message received.
I wish I could get the plug-in to work properly with Chrome - then I could avoid reading the smears that a certain poster relishes making time after time.
It is such a stupid complaint, and honestly says more about those who make it than Cameron.
Of course when Cameron thinks or talks about the NHS he mentions Ivan, it is by far the most important experience of NHS care Cameron has ever had.
I think it would be a bit odd if Cameron never mentioned that Ivan had intensive NHS care throughout his entire life, and I do not doubt for a moment his sincere gratitude to those who provided that care. Frankly the idea that Cameron sees everything that happened to his son, including his eventual death, as an opportunity for political gain is a barmy one.
Indeed he missed the 2002 and 2003 party conferences so he could be with Ivan in hospital.
Cameron has many flaws, but his care for Ivan shows that he does have a soul.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
Ah, so it's that old chestnut as to why he's a disgusting human being, not just a politician you dislike. Message received.
I wish I could get the plug-in to work properly with Chrome - then I could avoid reading the smears that a certain poster relishes making time after time.
It is such a stupid complaint, and honestly says more about those who make it than Cameron.
Of course when Cameron thinks or talks about the NHS he mentions Ivan, it is by far the most important experience of NHS care Cameron has ever had.
I think it would be a bit odd if Cameron never mentioned that Ivan had intensive NHS care throughout his entire life, and I do not doubt for a moment his sincere gratitude to those who provided that care. Frankly the idea that Cameron sees everything that happened to his son, including his eventual death, as an opportunity for political gain is a barmy one.
Barmy is not the word I would use for such an idea. Morally degenerate comes closer.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
Behave, Tyson. You're a clever lad, and I don't believe for a minute that you believe that Cameron is any worse than Brown, or any modern politician for that matter. Brown is a weapons grade bell end, who will do anything for political advantage.
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Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
The only vile thing about this is your reaction to it.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
Ah, so it's that old chestnut as to why he's a disgusting human being, not just a politician you dislike. Message received.
I wish I could get the plug-in to work properly with Chrome - then I could avoid reading the smears that a certain poster relishes making time after time.
It is such a stupid complaint, and honestly says more about those who make it than Cameron.
Of course when Cameron thinks or talks about the NHS he mentions Ivan, it is by far the most important experience of NHS care Cameron has ever had.
I think it would be a bit odd if Cameron never mentioned that Ivan had intensive NHS care throughout his entire life, and I do not doubt for a moment his sincere gratitude to those who provided that care. Frankly the idea that Cameron sees everything that happened to his son, including his eventual death, as an opportunity for political gain is a barmy one.
Absolutely. It is a huge part of his life and one of the defining aspects of his political motivation.
Political debates rely on anecdotes, as a way of illustrating points to an audience. They all do it.
Cameron is one of the most benign Tories when it comes to the NHS. He sidelined Lansley when he saw the damage, and Hunt is being pressured to stop his attacks on staff.
(An aside - this week it is becoming a bit more clear at last what Dave means by a 7 day NHS, something that I think comes from Daves own experience with weekend care)
Imagine PM Gove, Paterson, May or Hammond and how would they approach the NHS. It will not be a positive step.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
Yes, totally impossible it could have been for any other reason than his despicable nature.
I really hope I never become a fanatic about a politician or political issue. Good night.
Cameron's bunch comment will go down well with Millwall and Chelsea fans. I find it inconceivable how he could even allow that kind of comment into his mindset. It is beyond political misspeak
Note quite as perfect as Cameron's geezer boy, bully boy speak which comes out when he lets his guard down. I doubt we have ever had someone who is quite so deeply personally repellant as PM Cameron. I doubt after Cameron has finished his time you will have very many people saying what a decent man he is. You can take the man out of Bullingdon, but you cannot take the Bullingdon out of the man.
The nuclear style mushroom cloud above Gordon's head is just so perfect.
David Cameron's 'bunch' comment will be very popular with the voters and will not be a negative in any way for him. The losers tonight are Corbyn, Cooper and all the pc brigade
It'll do him no harm at all. I'm sure the average voter sees a group/bunch/number of people in France with bugger all ( in the vast vast majority of cases) right to come to the UK. They're just trying to queue jump and take us for fools. Sadly Corbyn is a fool.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
No, that is David Cameron for you. You're the one with the problem.
One last note - people attacking Cameron would do better to go after his competence rather than supposed nastiness, he seems more vulnerable on that front, as despite low opinions of politicians, I think most people do not think almost any of them are actually nasty people.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
No, that is David Cameron for you. You're the one with the problem.
He (Tyson) is actually talking about a part of himself he really dislikes. That explains the extreme vitriol and hyperbole that comes out when he talks about this.
Maybe he struck some very low blows himself to make his own millions.
Cameron's bunch comment will go down well with Millwall and Chelsea fans. I find it inconceivable how he could even allow that kind of comment into his mindset. It is beyond political misspeak
Note quite as perfect as Cameron's geezer boy, bully boy speak which comes out when he lets his guard down. I doubt we have ever had someone who is quite so deeply personally repellant as PM Cameron. I doubt after Cameron has finished his time you will have very many people saying what a decent man he is. You can take the man out of Bullingdon, but you cannot take the Bullingdon out of the man.
The nuclear style mushroom cloud above Gordon's head is just so perfect.
David Cameron's 'bunch' comment will be very popular with the voters and will not be a negative in any way for him. The losers tonight are Corbyn, Cooper and all the pc brigade
It'll do him no harm at all. I'm sure the average voter sees a group/bunch/number of people in France with bugger all ( in the vast vast majority of cases) right to come to the UK. They're just trying to queue jump and take us for fools. Sadly Corbyn is a fool.
Tyson was whining here last night about the lower orders enjoying what he considered to be naff, lager fuelled package holidays.
Bear in mind that these are the same people who's council taxes paid his for local authority salary, and subsequent early retirement, and treat his comments with the disdain and ridicule they deserve.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Not saying much. Gordon Brown is deeply, deeply flawed. Cameron is simply an entitled bully.
But Brown never used the death of a child for political gain unlike his successor, and as low as Cameron has sunk with his guard down, the way he brought up his child during the TV debates to big up the NHS was absolutely disgusting.
David Cameron's press statement after the death of Ivan:
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
No, that is David Cameron for you. You're the one with the problem.
He (Tyson) is actually talking about a part of himself he really dislikes. That explains the extreme vitriol and hyperbole that comes out when he talks about this.
Maybe he struck some very low blows himself to make his own millions.
Fox- I don't deny that Cameron was deeply affected by his child, children with disabilities bring the very best from us.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
It seems to me that you are trying to manufacture a very artificial political point out of this. You could aim all those epithets at yourself.
'From a four year ban to a six month ban. What a load of crap.'
Yep. But 100% unsurprising when the government has zero interest in achieving anything substantial.
The PM is banking on the public being extremely stupid or simply not caring.
I know it won't happen, but I'd love for Cam to say it was unacceptable, and he'd be campaigning to leave. That might make Brussells pay more attention.
'From a four year ban to a six month ban. What a load of crap.'
Yep. But 100% unsurprising when the government has zero interest in achieving anything substantial.
The PM is banking on the public being extremely stupid or simply not caring.
It's a really, really bad year to seek a deal for the UK for EU migration.
Two years ago, we had very high net immigration compared to virtually everyone else. There might (and I emphasise might) have been a bit more give.
Today, we still have very high net immigration but we're seen as getting away scot-free from the EU migrant crisis and most of the other member states are rather envious we've managed to stay out of it. The fact we probably have a point makes it worse.
So they ain't going to offer much and, given their failure to deal with problems they have in their own back yard, fear they'd be crucified domestically if they did.
'From a four year ban to a six month ban. What a load of crap.'
Yep. But 100% unsurprising when the government has zero interest in achieving anything substantial.
The PM is banking on the public being extremely stupid or simply not caring.
I know it won't happen, but I'd love for Cam to say it was unacceptable, and he'd be campaigning to leave. That might make Brussells pay more attention.
'From a four year ban to a six month ban. What a load of crap.'
Yep. But 100% unsurprising when the government has zero interest in achieving anything substantial.
The PM is banking on the public being extremely stupid or simply not caring.
It's a really, really bad year to seek a deal for the UK for EU migration.
Two years ago, we had very high net immigration compared to virtually everyone else. There might (and I emphasise might) have been a bit more give.
Today, we still have very high net immigration but we're seen as getting away scot-free from the EU migrant crisis and most of the other member states are rather envious we've managed to stay out of it. The fact we probably have a point makes it worse.
So they ain't going to offer much and, given their failure to deal with problems they have in their own back yard, fear they'd be crucified domestically if they did.
I'd hardly say we were getting away with it Scot-free (not sure how to spell that).
1:14 "The only people they never stand up for are the British people and hard working tax payers"
Nice work from Dave tbh, the real Cameron comes across very well from about 00:50.
Each to their own. His fans will enjoy it certainly, but I applaud the Guardian for not chopping the statement up so it is devoid of the context of his response. But notable is that there were no immediate gasps or cries of outrage when Cameron made his 'bunch' comment, they waited until he was done to start the regular old baying that is part of PMQs. Clear sign of manufactured outrage afterwards, as given how often the Speaker needs to step in to tell people to stop heckling when someone makes a comment which sets the other side off, they most certainly would not have waited even several seconds before reacting had they found it offensive.
'So they ain't going to offer much and, given their failure to deal with problems they have in their own back yard, fear they'd be crucified domestically if they did.'
Missing the point I think - what was originally being 'asked for' wasn't very significant anyway, and even that was clearly never a serious request. The whole thing is a charade.
The problem for the PM is, the intense nature of the migrant crisis in Europe now means people are much more concerned about this issue than they otherwise would have been and want to see real action.
So rather than this being a bad year to 'get a deal' it's shaping up to be an appalling year to pretend to get a deal.
'From a four year ban to a six month ban. What a load of crap.'
Yep. But 100% unsurprising when the government has zero interest in achieving anything substantial.
The PM is banking on the public being extremely stupid or simply not caring.
It's a really, really bad year to seek a deal for the UK for EU migration.
Two years ago, we had very high net immigration compared to virtually everyone else. There might (and I emphasise might) have been a bit more give.
Today, we still have very high net immigration but we're seen as getting away scot-free from the EU migrant crisis and most of the other member states are rather envious we've managed to stay out of it. The fact we probably have a point makes it worse.
So they ain't going to offer much and, given their failure to deal with problems they have in their own back yard, fear they'd be crucified domestically if they did.
I'd hardly say we were getting away with it Scot-free (not sure how to spell that).
Neither would I but this is how the other EU leaders see it.
Cameron has basically gone "all in" on Merkel on this deal, and her currency has never been lower.
1:14 "The only people they never stand up for are the British people and hard working tax payers"
Nice work from Dave tbh, the real Cameron comes across very well from about 00:50.
Each to their own. His fans will enjoy it certainly, but I applaud the Guardian for not chopping the statement up so it is devoid of the context of his response. But notable is that there were no immediate gasps or cries of outrage when Cameron made his 'bunch' comment, they waited until he was done to start the regular old baying that is part of PMQs. Clear sign of manufactured outrage afterwards, as given how often the Speaker needs to step in to tell people to stop heckling when someone makes a comment which sets the other side off, they most certainly would not have waited even several seconds before reacting had they found it offensive.
Imagine the outrage if he'd said 'swarm' or 'stain'.
It's worth listening to the full minute. What she says is as apt today as it was then, particularly on the need for mainstream parties to address concerns of voters to stop voters going for extremist parties.
(PS. her voice sounds much higher here. I imagine pre Gordon Reece)
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That's a tricky one - as I think it is good that the medical training is being put to good use on a regular basis. But as an MP your focus should be on serving your constituents and not topping up your income in this way.
Doing some pro bono work would have been politically more astute...
From that Telegraph article referred to by RobD up thread:
“Self-sufficiency is what we’re looking at,” a second source told The Telegraph, “We want a formulation that guarantees that people pay more in to system than they take out. Migrants will have to be taking a job to a level where they can support themselves without welfare.”
Would HMG seek to impose such a rule on non-EU immigrants, I wonder. If not then I think there may be some legal issues. If so then the current tier 2 visa list will have to go in the bin, to say nothing of other immigration rules, and that will cause even more legal arguments and court cases.
From that Telegraph article referred to by RobD up thread:
“Self-sufficiency is what we’re looking at,” a second source told The Telegraph, “We want a formulation that guarantees that people pay more in to system than they take out. Migrants will have to be taking a job to a level where they can support themselves without welfare.”
Would HMG seek to impose such a rule on non-EU immigrants, I wonder. If not then I think there may be some legal issues. If so then the current tier 2 visa list will have to go in the bin, to say nothing of other immigration rules, and that will cause even more legal arguments and court cases.
I get the feeling we are still very much in the middle of a phony war - with all sorts of bits and bobs of news being leaked to either test reaction or as a diversion from what is actually going on.
I think the safest thing to do is wait for the final document and then pull it apart. Getting into detail at this point is pretty futile as it almost certainly doesn't reflect the reality of what will end up in the deal.
Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,
The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?
DARK CHRISTMAS CHRISTMAS IS COMING (Game of Thrones fans will know what you mean) or, combined... DARK CHRISTMAS IS COMING
I can predict the reply to those suggestions - anything with Christmas in only sells in November / December?
A Death Foretold?
Yep. You can allude to Xmas but saying it is commercial death.
Chronicle of a Death Foretold is a famous book
Cancel Santa
Can't believe I missed this - I love thinking up titles for things. (tee hee @ 'Cancel Santa')
The advent cullendar? The badvent calendar? (joking)
10 more sleeps? (half joking - something along these lines might work as a strapline?)
Silent Night? (because she's dead innit)
SILENT NIGHT
she's got 10 more sleeps...
There we go. A bit 'Goosebumps' for your purposes perhaps!
Love's Portent - ambiguity as to whether it the step-son's love for his mother, or the new wife's love for the father.
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Or Corbyn, Osborne, May, Burnham, Cooper, or Umunna, either of the Hunts, Jarvis, Kendall or Morgan.
I'm not that keen on any of them at all, really. General Elections are a real disappointment to me!
‘We always knew Ivan wouldn’t live for ever, but we didn’t expect to lose him so young and so suddenly. He leaves a hole in our life so big that words can’t describe it. Bed time, bath time, meal time — nothing will feel the same again.
‘We console ourselves knowing that he won’t suffer any more, that his end was quick, and that he is in a better place. But we all just miss him so desperately. When we were first told the extent of Ivan’s disability I thought that we would suffer having to care for him but at least he would benefit from our care.
Now as I look back I see that it was all the other way round. It was only him that ever really suffered and it was us — Sam, me, Nancy and Elwen — who gained more than I ever believed possible from having and loving such a wonderfully special and beautiful boy.’
I find Dave a bit of an enigma, but this statement was from the heart. Enigma maybe, but not a void.
Continuing my creepy carol theme, you could have
HOW STILL WE SEE THEE LIE
No siree, Brown absolutely never ever bought up his family for political purposes .
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13179117.Gordon_Brown_cites_daughter_s_death__partial_blindness_as_he_vows__I_ll_nail_SNP_lie_over_NHS/
I see that no firefighter redundancies and the brass hats in Birstall may get chopped instead:
http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicester-s-Central-station-saved-closure-ang/story-28617761-detail/story.html
If only more of our politicians read PB the world would be a better place...
Of course when Cameron thinks or talks about the NHS he mentions Ivan, it is by far the most important experience of NHS care Cameron has ever had.
I think it would be a bit odd if Cameron never mentioned that Ivan had intensive NHS care throughout his entire life, and I do not doubt for a moment his sincere gratitude to those who provided that care. Frankly the idea that Cameron sees everything that happened to his son, including his eventual death, as an opportunity for political gain is a barmy one.
And the ways he used his cronies to smear and discredit opponents.
No. No evidence that Brown was a political bully at all....
Cameron has many flaws, but his care for Ivan shows that he does have a soul.
What I found absolutely disgusting, beyond anything, was how Cameron brought this up in the political debates for emotional advantage- and more than once. He used the death of his child for political advantage. There cannot be any other explanation why he brought this up in the most visible forum possible. That to me is not enigmatic- that is fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre. And that is David Cameron for you.
Think Twitter is a great way of engaging with journalists and sharing info with them? Think again, underling... https://t.co/Jm9XWqEZGl
Brown is a weapons grade bell end, who will do anything for political advantage.
- Shabana Mahmood (Ladywood MP) wins the NEC by-election for PLP/EPLP rep over George Howarth (Knowsley MP)
- Labour First's recommendations for 2016 NEC elections-CLPs section are: Luke Akehurst, Ellie Reeves, Pete Wheeler, Johnna Baxter, Parmjit Dhanda, Bex Bailey
- Labour candidate for Derbyshire PCC (Lab incumbent retiring) will be Hardyal Dhindsa (currently Deputy PCC). Former Derby North MP Chris Williamson has been beaten in the selection.
Political debates rely on anecdotes, as a way of illustrating points to an audience. They all do it.
Cameron is one of the most benign Tories when it comes to the NHS. He sidelined Lansley when he saw the damage, and Hunt is being pressured to stop his attacks on staff.
(An aside - this week it is becoming a bit more clear at last what Dave means by a 7 day NHS, something that I think comes from Daves own experience with weekend care)
Imagine PM Gove, Paterson, May or Hammond and how would they approach the NHS. It will not be a positive step.
I really hope I never become a fanatic about a politician or political issue. Good night.
In all seriousness, that's the first time I've watched it.
Blimey.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12126212/David-Cameron-to-make-a-last-ditch-appeal-to-Jean-Claude-Juncker-to-save-EU-renegotiation.html
Maybe he struck some very low blows himself to make his own millions.
Bear in mind that these are the same people who's council taxes paid his for local authority salary, and subsequent early retirement, and treat his comments with the disdain and ridicule they deserve.
GCHQ Christmas quiz: 30,000 entries, not one perfect answer https://t.co/NBvPEXbMVj
Fascinating. The world's top 20 most valuable companies. And how they changed in the last 10 years
@business chart https://t.co/2Za67MxTYx
OGH just tweeted
Yep. But 100% unsurprising when the government has zero interest in achieving anything substantial.
The PM is banking on the public being extremely stupid or simply not caring.
1:14 "The only people they never stand up for are the British people and hard working tax payers"
Nice work from Dave tbh, the real Cameron comes across very well from about 00:50.
Two years ago, we had very high net immigration compared to virtually everyone else. There might (and I emphasise might) have been a bit more give.
Today, we still have very high net immigration but we're seen as getting away scot-free from the EU migrant crisis and most of the other member states are rather envious we've managed to stay out of it. The fact we probably have a point makes it worse.
So they ain't going to offer much and, given their failure to deal with problems they have in their own back yard, fear they'd be crucified domestically if they did.
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https://www.nojam.com/post/506
Vote Leave leadership is such a mess there was a coup attempt to remove Elliott and Cummings. https://t.co/fvZAxrHDz3
Missing the point I think - what was originally being 'asked for' wasn't very significant anyway, and even that was clearly never a serious request. The whole thing is a charade.
The problem for the PM is, the intense nature of the migrant crisis in Europe now means people are much more concerned about this issue than they otherwise would have been and want to see real action.
So rather than this being a bad year to 'get a deal' it's shaping up to be an appalling year to pretend to get a deal.
Cameron has basically gone "all in" on Merkel on this deal, and her currency has never been lower.
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https://www.nojam.com/post/507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHhKI5ijnxQ
It's worth listening to the full minute. What she says is as apt today as it was then, particularly on the need for mainstream parties to address concerns of voters to stop voters going for extremist parties.
(PS. her voice sounds much higher here. I imagine pre Gordon Reece)
Top SNP MP moonlights as £500-a-day NHS surgeon
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers https://t.co/w3M0eeSGJY
new thread, new thread
Doing some pro bono work would have been politically more astute...
@PeteWishart
'A second job means a second master'. My speech from yesterday's debate. https://petewishart.wordpress.com/2015/02/26/mps-and-second-jobs-speech-from-the-house-of-commons/ …
“Self-sufficiency is what we’re looking at,” a second source told The Telegraph, “We want a formulation that guarantees that people pay more in to system than they take out. Migrants will have to be taking a job to a level where they can support themselves without welfare.”
Would HMG seek to impose such a rule on non-EU immigrants, I wonder. If not then I think there may be some legal issues. If so then the current tier 2 visa list will have to go in the bin, to say nothing of other immigration rules, and that will cause even more legal arguments and court cases.
I think the safest thing to do is wait for the final document and then pull it apart. Getting into detail at this point is pretty futile as it almost certainly doesn't reflect the reality of what will end up in the deal.