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edited 2016 21 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Six council by-elections tonight – 2 CON, 2 LAB, SNP & UKIP defences)

Bushey North (Con defence) on Hertfordshire
Result of council at last election (2013): Conservatives 46, Liberal Democrats 16, Labour 15 (Conservative majority of 15)
Result of ward at last election (2013): Conservative 995 (44%), United Kingdom Independence Party 524 (23%), Labour 437 (19%), Liberal Democrats 321 (14%)
Candidates duly nominated:

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    Thanks Harry
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    edited 2016 21
    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Thanks Harry

    Labour to get 104% in Southwark whilst having 'disappointing' results in Hamilton and Thanet?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,555
    From the last thread:
    Cookie said:

    A Labour government could give employees the right to take over their companies if they are sold, dissolved or floated on the stock market.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35370234

    Right lads, Cadbury's is being sold for many billions. Lets have a whip round in the canteen and see if we can get the money together...

    Surely they already have this right?
    He's really talking about the government lending money to the union to buy the company.

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2016 21
    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?
    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,693

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Cod and chips always costs money, but news is free on the BBC
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited 2016 21
    Meanwhile French prime minister Manuel Valls admitted the EU “could very well break up in a very short time”... But despite his warnings over the current crises facing the EU, the French prime minister said solutions would be found in “more of Europe not less of Europe”.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/636739/Davos-2016-French-prime-minister-Manuel-Valls-EU-break-up-Brexit-tragedy
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Thanks Harry. Interesting crop of by-elections tonight.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    I love these little vignettes on local contests, of the ups and downs of council control for parties in particular areas, and the occasionally odd causes of the by-elections or the scenarios around them.

    St Helens is an interesting one; why did UKIP press for it?

    I take Harry's point re Wealden - local races surely have the potential to be much more volatile even in very one party dominated areas, for reasons that might be impossible to predict without living there. I have collated as much statistical info as I can on my local area for elections come 2017, but it might all mean nothing for the same reason.

    I sort of hope UKIP win the Thanet one. They have a tough time with our voting system, and goodness knows the last thing we need is for there to be literally nobody with any prospects, even if only locally, besides the Big Three (Lab/Con/SNP)

    LDs recovering in locals in London? Well, it's something. Looking for potential parliamentary seat recoveries is a bleak exercise, but Cable and Davey only lost by 2-3000 votes (I know they are in a different part of London to this local contest), which is very close compared to many places they lost in! I suppose they could do with a sign the people of London will elect Labour, of course, but not so massively the LDs cannot squeak a few seats too - people of Southwark, surprise us with a LD surge.

    Lanarkshire? Well, technically the SNP don't win every single local that comes up, but yeah, probably a dull one.

    I feel a bit sorry for UKIP in Hertfordshire. A lot of wasted effort it sounds like, but that's democracy for you.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: John McDonnell was a cretinous appointment. (My latest for @CapX) https://t.co/X86bFSw7AL

    For goodness sake Labour moderates, get your act together. Remove these clowns while there is still time.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    ? Only by force and threatening prison.
    EPG said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Cod and chips always costs money, but news is free on the BBC
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,754

    ? Only by force and threatening prison.

    EPG said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Cod and chips always costs money, but news is free on the BBC
    My better half works from home. Unfortunately that makes us very easy meat for the TV ppls.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,693

    ? Only by force and threatening prison.

    EPG said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Cod and chips always costs money, but news is free on the BBC
    Oh dear, taxes are theft time
    No-one is compelled to own a TV
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    Pulpstar said:

    ? Only by force and threatening prison.

    EPG said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Cod and chips always costs money, but news is free on the BBC
    My better half works from home. Unfortunately that makes us very easy meat for the TV ppls.
    lol

    like the avatar
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: “You are finished in here.” Andrew Fisher (allegedly) to Neale Coleman in Corbyn's office https://t.co/Uw43aoujun
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    FPT Alanbrooke "Non-stop Les Dawson.......

    I saw six men kicking and punching the mother-in-law.

    My neighbour said 'Are you going to help?'

    'No' I said. 'six should be enough.'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Of course it is perfectly rational when you put it like that, and I cannot argue against it. Some things, for no reason I can discern, I just have an objection paying beyond a certain amount, and tallying up the yearly cost gets my back up, even though it might not be that much. And yet I waste much much more money on things I surely get less enjoyment out of.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    David Frum
    On average, it takes 20 years for immigrant labor force participation to catch up to that of German natives.

    https://t.co/3AjYFryojb
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    David Frum
    On average, it takes 20 years for immigrant labor force participation to catch up to that of German natives.

    https://t.co/3AjYFryojb

    I'm surprised its that quick. A single generation to catch up with German labour market participation rates is a much better record than we have, where certain subgroups never catch up.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Probably one of the silliest comments here in weeks.

    A regressive tax and one we'd baulk at if Russia used it.

    Present company excepted.
    EPG said:

    ? Only by force and threatening prison.

    EPG said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Cod and chips always costs money, but news is free on the BBC
    Oh dear, taxes are theft time
    No-one is compelled to own a TV
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    Already on board.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598
    Been in Brussels all day (Europhiles, moths, flame, you know), so catching up. What surprised me in the last thread lead was that Sanders is not doing better among real enthusiasts - Hillary and Trump lead on those. Sanders has fewer "dislikes" than Hillary, but it's being liked that wins elections - whether people planning to vote for someone else dislike you or not is a bit irrelevant.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    Roger said:

    FPT Alanbrooke "Non-stop Les Dawson.......

    I saw six men kicking and punching the mother-in-law.

    My neighbour said 'Are you going to help?'

    'No' I said. 'six should be enough.'

    You're reliving your inner 1970s

    I still can't figure out how Reggie Varney got so much crumpet. he must have been 110.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    I must say it is quite confusing to have two of our most regular and esteemed posters avataring as Trump and Putin.

    I'm sticking with head-tilted angry orange-man squiggle.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I read The Times for years before paywall and gave it a go from the off. Never regretted it. There's 400 000 of us now and not so weird to see stories tweeted or shared here by news junkies.

    I feel I know the journalists to talk with, Hugo Rifkind even prodded their Admin to sort out my subscription problem.
    kle4 said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Of course it is perfectly rational when you put it like that, and I cannot argue against it. Some things, for no reason I can discern, I just have an objection paying beyond a certain amount, and tallying up the yearly cost gets my back up, even though it might not be that much. And yet I waste much much more money on things I surely get less enjoyment out of.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Just never call me Olive.

    Roger said:

    FPT Alanbrooke "Non-stop Les Dawson.......

    I saw six men kicking and punching the mother-in-law.

    My neighbour said 'Are you going to help?'

    'No' I said. 'six should be enough.'

    You're reliving your inner 1970s

    I still can't figure out how Reggie Varney got so much crumpet. he must have been 110.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he and Dave pulled out all the stops to make sure Brown didn't call an election that Autumn.

    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    Just never call me Olive.

    Roger said:

    FPT Alanbrooke "Non-stop Les Dawson.......

    I saw six men kicking and punching the mother-in-law.

    My neighbour said 'Are you going to help?'

    'No' I said. 'six should be enough.'

    You're reliving your inner 1970s

    I still can't figure out how Reggie Varney got so much crumpet. he must have been 110.
    LOL

  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    EPG said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Cod and chips always costs money, but news is free on the BBC

    If you have access to a student email address you can get the times/Sunday times for a lot less! £20 a year!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    I read The Times for years before paywall and gave it a go from the off. Never regretted it. There's 400 000 of us now and not so weird to see stories tweeted or shared here by news junkies.

    I feel I know the journalists to talk with, Hugo Rifkind even prodded their Admin to sort out my subscription problem.

    kle4 said:

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    Of course it is perfectly rational when you put it like that, and I cannot argue against it. Some things, for no reason I can discern, I just have an objection paying beyond a certain amount, and tallying up the yearly cost gets my back up, even though it might not be that much. And yet I waste much much more money on things I surely get less enjoyment out of.
    I don't see the value of what I could get from the Times that I don't get from BBC News, 24hr news in the evening, BBC Parliament, pb.com or the Evening Standard daily, or the Spectator which I pay for weekly.

    I get the lolz from the Guardian for free.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he and Dave pulled out all the stops to make sure Brown didn't call an election that Autumn.

    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
    He's unfortunately going the same path as Brown. He loves the Treasury for it's security and roving brief to interfere in everything. In truth he should be rotating to Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary to widen his horizons if he was serious about the top job, I think inside he knows he won't get it which is why he clings to his power base.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    rcs1000 said:

    David Frum
    On average, it takes 20 years for immigrant labor force participation to catch up to that of German natives.

    https://t.co/3AjYFryojb

    I'm surprised its that quick. A single generation to catch up with German labour market participation rates is a much better record than we have, where certain subgroups never catch up.
    Or want to/ intend to.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,754

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he and Dave pulled out all the stops to make sure Brown didn't call an election that Autumn.

    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
    He's unfortunately going the same path as Brown. He loves the Treasury for it's security and roving brief to interfere in everything. In truth he should be rotating to Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary to widen his horizons if he was serious about the top job, I think inside he knows he won't get it which is why he clings to his power base.
    That's what pisses me off, he's nothing like Brown.

    Look at the way Brown continually undermined Blair and his colleagues. Osborne has been loyal and tried to ensure government works fine.

    Can you recall him doing anything to undermine Cameron, in the way Brown did to Blair, or Lawson at times did to Thatcher?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2016 21
    Place your bets:

    Vaughn SterlingVerified account ‏@vplus 11m11 minutes ago
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    Sanders and Trump cruising to victory in Iowa according to CNN.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    Amazing to think the Lib Dems won 2,559 votes in Bushey North in 2005.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    He keeps on slagging off McDonnell and Corbyn at PMQs too.

    Can't imagine why Nigel Dodds doesn't like McDonnell and Corbyn?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    David Chailon
    BREAKING Iowa GOP – CNN/ORC poll #’s: Trump 37%, Cruz 26%, Rubio 14%, Carson 6% - everyone else 3% or below
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he and Dave pulled out all the stops to make sure Brown didn't call an election that Autumn.

    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
    He's unfortunately going the same path as Brown. He loves the Treasury for it's security and roving brief to interfere in everything. In truth he should be rotating to Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary to widen his horizons if he was serious about the top job, I think inside he knows he won't get it which is why he clings to his power base.
    Spot on.

    He started well but he just cares about winning now. I also think he's more sensitive than his hardman image and him being booed at the 2012 Olympics affected him. So he now wants to do a bit of left-wingerry to show how nice and generous he is and improve his standing for PM.

    If this Budget this year is anything like it's cracked up to be then he's ceased to be a Tory in any real sense.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2016 21
    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defen

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he and Dave pulled out all the stops to make sure Brown didn't call an election that Autumn.

    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
    He's unfortunately going the same path as Brown. He loves the Treasury for it's security and roving brief to interfere in everything. In truth he should be rotating to Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary to widen his horizons if he was serious about the top job, I think inside he knows he won't get it which is why he clings to his power base.
    That's what pisses me off, he's nothing like Brown.

    Look at the way Brown continually undermined Blair and his colleagues. Osborne has been loyal and tried to ensure government works fine.

    Can you recall him doing anything to undermine Cameron, in the way Brown did to Blair, or Lawson at times did to Thatcher?
    In that respect you are correct, but in terms of dabbling, political gimmicks and hugely on economic policy he's Brown's mini me.

    You tend to judge him on his politics, I judge him on his fit for the day job .
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2016 21
    CNN/ORC IOWA POLL (last one in October):

    Trump 37 +12
    Cruz 26 +15
    Rubio 14 +1
    Carson 6 -17

    Sanders 51 +14
    Hillary 43 -12

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/iowa-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donald-trump-ted-cruz/index.html

    11 days to go.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited 2016 21

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
    That's what pisses me off, he's nothing like Brown.

    Look at the way Brown continually undermined Blair and his colleagues. Osborne has been loyal and tried to ensure government works fine.

    Can you recall him doing anything to undermine Cameron, in the way Brown did to Blair, or Lawson at times did to Thatcher?
    In fairness I can see peoples' point in the comparison, though it's a weak one; Brown was disloyal and partisan to the point of being unhinged. That's not Osborne.

    However, he shares Brown's love of technical tinkering, the overt political positioning of his measures, and his weakness for tactics over strategy.

    Personally, I'm pretty disappointed that he's fluffed his first opportunity to get some of the necessary, but painful, reforms through in 2015. However, he is a far better chancellor than Brown - though that's hardly a major achievement.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @theobertram: The Kennites are "bottlers" and deep down the real McDonnellers have known it since 1985. https://t.co/zNLdqxnUM2
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838


    That's what pisses me off, he's nothing like Brown.

    Look at the way Brown continually undermined Blair and his colleagues. Osborne has been loyal and tried to ensure government works fine.

    Can you recall him doing anything to undermine Cameron, in the way Brown did to Blair, or Lawson at times did to Thatcher?

    In that respect he is very unlike Brown. The lack of friction between No. 10 and 11 has been a a defining feature of this regime. Well, so far ;)
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2016 21
    Golly

    BBC Katya
    Sold out. Germans stocking up on pepper spray and gas pistols following #cologneattacks More on BBC News at Ten https://t.co/RXK5INmFT3

    Deputy Interior Min in #Germany tells me priority is to reduce numbers of #migrants coming. Says only effective if all #EU works together

    Turkish German social worker, 30 years in #Berlin tells me Welcome Culture in #Germany destroyed in one night #cologneattacks

    Juergen tells me he's buying a (non-lethal) gas pistol to keep at home. Says security situation in #Germany worsening, police overwhelmed
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he.
    That's what pisses me off, he's nothing like Brown.

    Look at the way Brown continually undermined Blair and his colleagues. Osborne has been loyal and tried to ensure government works fine.

    Can you recall him doing anything to undermine Cameron, in the way Brown did to Blair, or Lawson at times did to Thatcher?
    His smoke and mirrors, financial jiggery pokery and obsessing about dividing lines and f-ing the opposition is very Brown. His tax credit saving and stealth tax rise on pensions is pure Brown. As are his attempts to stitch up his nomination for the next Tory leadership and being ruthless to those who cross him.

    I agree he never undermines Cameron and respects him, and by all accounts is fairly level headed. But there are plenty of political if not personal similarities.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.

    The UK entered into the EEC with a parliament vote, it can leave with a parliament vote.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.

    Yes, absolutely.

    However, the correct way to exit the EU is not to renege on our treaty obligations. Instead, would simply invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This would put us on three to five year exit path as we negotiated new trade agreements, both with the EU and with other countries. Furthermore, it would enable an orderly dissolution of legal structures. Simply repealing the 1972 ECA would leave quite a lot of things in legal limbo, and would almost certainly result in a great many law suits.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    notme said:

    rcs1000 said:

    David Frum
    On average, it takes 20 years for immigrant labor force participation to catch up to that of German natives.

    https://t.co/3AjYFryojb

    I'm surprised its that quick. A single generation to catch up with German labour market participation rates is a much better record than we have, where certain subgroups never catch up.
    Or want to/ intend to.
    I'm not sure ethnic groups are conscious enough to have intentions :lol:
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    rcs1000 said:

    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.

    Yes, absolutely.

    However, the correct way to exit the EU is not to renege on our treaty obligations. Instead, would simply invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This would put us on three to five year exit path as we negotiated new trade agreements, both with the EU and with other countries. Furthermore, it would enable an orderly dissolution of legal structures. Simply repealing the 1972 ECA would leave quite a lot of things in legal limbo, and would almost certainly result in a great many law suits.
    LOL, have you anyone in mind with your new avatar ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    I find the DUP interesting.

    I mean, they're obviously sectarian, but they seem to combine a base that in England would cut across traditional WWC Labour base, UKIPers and Tory WWC small businessman/white van man.

    A patriotic, nationalist, strong on tradition/family/defence/Union, sceptical of the EU and very firm on immigration, but left of centre economically, party would probably do quite well here, if it existed.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    David Chailon
    BREAKING Iowa GOP – CNN/ORC poll #’s: Trump 37%, Cruz 26%, Rubio 14%, Carson 6% - everyone else 3% or below

    Bonus poll:
    Second poll today that shows Trump up by double digits in Iowa:

    Emerson (first time they polled Iowa):

    Trump 33
    Cruz 23
    Rubio 14
    Carson 9


    http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_542e7f5df4e14162851de1c77b0df5f4.pdf
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    In that respect you are correct, but in terms of dabbling, political gimmicks and hugely on economic policy he's Brown's mini me.

    You tend to judge him on his politics, I judge him on his fit for the day job .

    I'm re-reading Thatcher's autobiography, and Charles Moore's biography of Thatcher, and one of the things that struck me was the economic battles between the wets and dries of the Parliamentary party.

    We've not see this with the current Parliamentary party.

    I'm not sure why.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    I find the DUP interesting.

    I mean, they're obviously sectarian, but they seem to combine a base that in England would cut across traditional WWC Labour base, UKIPers and Tory WWC small businessman/white van man.

    A patriotic, nationalist, strong on tradition/family/defence/Union, sceptical of the EU and very firm on immigration, but left of centre economically, party would probably do quite well here, if it existed.
    They;re the Ulster SNP.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    I find the DUP interesting.

    I mean, they're obviously sectarian, but they seem to combine a base that in England would cut across traditional WWC Labour base, UKIPers and Tory WWC small businessman/white van man.

    A patriotic, nationalist, strong on tradition/family/defence/Union, sceptical of the EU and very firm on immigration, but left of centre economically, party would probably do quite well here, if it existed.
    They;re the Ulster SNP.
    I'm publishing a thread about the DUP on Sunday.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    TSE isn't the only one treating Alanbrooke in a forthcoming thread. My next thread should also appeal to an Ulsterman.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Speedy said:

    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.

    The UK entered into the EEC with a parliament vote, it can leave with a parliament vote.
    If the Kippers had got 102 seats then we could have been spared this tedious referendum.

    Though the referendum is just advisory, it would take a Parliamentary act to leave. The Tories would have to be very unified to pass an exit bill.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    John_M said:


    In fairness I can see peoples' point in the comparison, though it's a weak one; Brown was disloyal and partisan to the point of being unhinged. That's not Osborne.

    However, he shares Brown's love of technical tinkering, the overt political positioning of his measures, and his weakness for tactics over strategy.

    Personally, I'm pretty disappointed that he's fluffed his first opportunity to get some of the necessary, but painful, reforms through in 2015. However, he is a far better chancellor than Brown - though that's hardly a major achievement.

    I think that whoever (Tim Montgomerie?) said that Osborne was in pre-election mode for the EU referendum was not far off the mark.

    I like his style really. He reminds me of Paul Darrow in Blake's 7. I keep expecting him to shout "Zen! Put the unemployment figures on the main screen!" when he's at the despatch box.

    I can see why @Alanbrooke is pissed off with him though.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2016 21
    ??
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-shropshire-35361401?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=56a114613d00002e02a95450&Telford MP explains why she pulled out of BBC interview&17:28&ns_fee=0#post_56a114613d00002e02a95450

    The MP for Telford has been explaining why she pulled out of a BBC Politics Show interview tomorrow.

    Lucy Allan says she wanted to be "sure that malicious false allegations made by 'aliases' were not repeated as if fact on a mainstream serious political programme".

    She also said she was worried that the interview would be repeated on social media, providing ammunition for her critics and she said she didn't want to become embroiled in a row with Telford's Labour councillors.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883

    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    I find the DUP interesting.

    I mean, they're obviously sectarian, but they seem to combine a base that in England would cut across traditional WWC Labour base, UKIPers and Tory WWC small businessman/white van man.

    A patriotic, nationalist, strong on tradition/family/defence/Union, sceptical of the EU and very firm on immigration, but left of centre economically, party would probably do quite well here, if it existed.
    And now working hard to pick up lower preference votes from right wing Catholics, who are unrepresented by SDLP or SinnFein.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    rcs1000 said:

    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.

    Yes, absolutely.

    However, the correct way to exit the EU is not to renege on our treaty obligations. Instead, would simply invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This would put us on three to five year exit path as we negotiated new trade agreements, both with the EU and with other countries. Furthermore, it would enable an orderly dissolution of legal structures. Simply repealing the 1972 ECA would leave quite a lot of things in legal limbo, and would almost certainly result in a great many law suits.
    LOL, have you anyone in mind with your new avatar ?
    I'd like our two visitors from St Petersburg to feel at home.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    I find the DUP interesting.

    I mean, they're obviously sectarian, but they seem to combine a base that in England would cut across traditional WWC Labour base, UKIPers and Tory WWC small businessman/white van man.

    A patriotic, nationalist, strong on tradition/family/defence/Union, sceptical of the EU and very firm on immigration, but left of centre economically, party would probably do quite well here, if it existed.
    They;re the Ulster SNP.
    Eh? I think they couldn't be more different!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883

    In that respect you are correct, but in terms of dabbling, political gimmicks and hugely on economic policy he's Brown's mini me.

    You tend to judge him on his politics, I judge him on his fit for the day job .

    I'm re-reading Thatcher's autobiography, and Charles Moore's biography of Thatcher, and one of the things that struck me was the economic battles between the wets and dries of the Parliamentary party.

    We've not see this with the current Parliamentary party.

    I'm not sure why.
    Economic arguments don't matter now. The EU an immigration are much bigger fault lines.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    In that respect you are correct, but in terms of dabbling, political gimmicks and hugely on economic policy he's Brown's mini me.

    You tend to judge him on his politics, I judge him on his fit for the day job .

    I'm re-reading Thatcher's autobiography, and Charles Moore's biography of Thatcher, and one of the things that struck me was the economic battles between the wets and dries of the Parliamentary party.

    We've not see this with the current Parliamentary party.

    I'm not sure why.
    Because they're all taking the easy way out.

    Osborne can't on the one hand blame the world economy when things are bad and then claim the credit when the same economy picks up. His approach is to have us as a boat floating on the tides of global markets. The "turnround" in our finances has more to do with the economic cycle than anything he has done. And the cycle will turn again some time in the next 5 years.

    If he had been more aggressive in putting overdue reforms in place then he would put a motor on the boat and allow us to work against the turn of the economic tide and be in a better place when it all goes against us.

    The thing I dislike most is the way he has wasted 5 years.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749
    Sean_F said:

    In that respect you are correct, but in terms of dabbling, political gimmicks and hugely on economic policy he's Brown's mini me.

    You tend to judge him on his politics, I judge him on his fit for the day job .

    I'm re-reading Thatcher's autobiography, and Charles Moore's biography of Thatcher, and one of the things that struck me was the economic battles between the wets and dries of the Parliamentary party.

    We've not see this with the current Parliamentary party.

    I'm not sure why.
    Economic arguments don't matter now. The EU an immigration are much bigger fault lines.
    I think in part the fault line in the party is Supporting Big Businesses versus all others.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    ??
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-shropshire-35361401?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=56a114613d00002e02a95450&Telford MP explains why she pulled out of BBC interview&17:28&ns_fee=0#post_56a114613d00002e02a95450


    The MP for Telford has been explaining why she pulled out of a BBC Politics Show interview tomorrow.

    Lucy Allan says she wanted to be "sure that malicious false allegations made by 'aliases' were not repeated as if fact on a mainstream serious political programme".

    She also said she was worried that the interview would be repeated on social media, providing ammunition for her critics and she said she didn't want to become embroiled in a row with Telford's Labour councillors.
    "Bullying" story.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,998


    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"

    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he and Dave pulled out all the stops to make sure Brown didn't call an election that Autumn.

    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
    He's unfortunately going the same path as Brown. He loves the Treasury for it's security and roving brief to interfere in everything. In truth he should be rotating to Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary to widen his horizons if he was serious about the top job, I think inside he knows he won't get it which is why he clings to his power base.
    That's what pisses me off, he's nothing like Brown.

    Look at the way Brown continually undermined Blair and his colleagues. Osborne has been loyal and tried to ensure government works fine.

    Can you recall him doing anything to undermine Cameron, in the way Brown did to Blair, or Lawson at times did to Thatcher?
    In that respect you are correct, but in terms of dabbling, political gimmicks and hugely on economic policy he's Brown's mini me.

    You tend to judge him on his politics, I judge him on his fit for the day job .
    We'll soon get the complete 2015 data and be able to see how the 'March Of The Makers' and the trillion pound export drive are progressing.

    For today we'll have to make do with the tourism stats:

    ' Compared with the same quarter a year ago, visits to the UK by overseas residents increased by 4.7% to 10.5 million in Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2015. The number of nights spent in the UK by overseas residents, also rose by 6.0%, but the estimated earnings from these visits fell by 3.8% to £7.1 billion.

    Visits abroad by UK residents during quarter 3 2015 increased by 9.1% to 22.4 million compared with Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2014. The number of nights spent abroad by UK residents rose by 13.4% and expenditure during these visits increased by 13.6% to £14.4 billion. '

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/ott/overseas-travel-and-tourism---quarterly-release/q3-2015/rpt-ott-quarter-3--july-to-sept--2015.html

    Borrow and bribe x half a trillion.


  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    I find the DUP interesting.

    I mean, they're obviously sectarian, but they seem to combine a base that in England would cut across traditional WWC Labour base, UKIPers and Tory WWC small businessman/white van man.

    A patriotic, nationalist, strong on tradition/family/defence/Union, sceptical of the EU and very firm on immigration, but left of centre economically, party would probably do quite well here, if it existed.
    They;re the Ulster SNP.
    Eh? I think they couldn't be more different!
    Oh no - parochial, pork barrelling, external enemies, tub thumping.

    Paisley is a town in Scotland - start there :-)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited 2016 21

    Pulpstar said:

    I make it 1 1/2 righties, 3 1/2 lefties (the unionists can go either way)

    No leftie complaints about bias tonight? https://t.co/FySN7q5ZtL

    Although economically to the left of the Tories on some issues (The DUP), you'd be hard pushed to describe Nigel Dodds as a "lefty" in the normal sense of the word.
    I find the DUP interesting.

    I mean, they're obviously sectarian, but they seem to combine a base that in England would cut across traditional WWC Labour base, UKIPers and Tory WWC small businessman/white van man.

    A patriotic, nationalist, strong on tradition/family/defence/Union, sceptical of the EU and very firm on immigration, but left of centre economically, party would probably do quite well here, if it existed.
    I am unconvinced. We have had several parties try that combination without much impact. Seeing Farage campaigning to scrap the Bedroom Tax was rather risible.

    I am not convinced that authoritarian neo-presbyterian "social conservatism" appeals to more than a few percentage points in England. English people seem pretty relaxed about how others live their lives, even in shire counties in middle England.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,354
    Osborne's handling of macro-economic issues has been freakily good. So good that you have to assume that he has had more than his fair share of luck.

    Where he has undoubtedly been weaker is in reform. The banking sector should have been broken up and made more competitive. Our tax code is frankly ludicrous and is screaming out for simplification. He is far too fond of tweaks and gestures which sound good but actually achieve very little. His need for gestures means things change too often for long term investment decisions.

    But he can claim a lot of credit for the employment miracle we have undergone; he has significantly reduced the deficit without creating anything like the pain that was anticipated; the emphasis on apprenticeships is a good thing; he has worked hard to reduce tax avoidance/evasion and been quite innovative on how to deal with multinationals; he has tried hard to keep London's place on the international stage in particular in relation to India, China and the middle east and he has, with his colleagues, worked wonders in getting the head count in government down to a more sustainable level.

    I would give him 7 or 8 out of 10. Brown, in comparison, barely troubled the scorers.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738

    TSE isn't the only one treating Alanbrooke in a forthcoming thread. My next thread should also appeal to an Ulsterman.

    Aww shucks and I'm back home with my brother this weekend too !
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,354
    rcs1000 said:

    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.

    Yes, absolutely.

    However, the correct way to exit the EU is not to renege on our treaty obligations. Instead, would simply invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This would put us on three to five year exit path as we negotiated new trade agreements, both with the EU and with other countries. Furthermore, it would enable an orderly dissolution of legal structures. Simply repealing the 1972 ECA would leave quite a lot of things in legal limbo, and would almost certainly result in a great many law suits.
    Just so we are clear, is substituting Putin for your son some kind of threat?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,749

    TSE isn't the only one treating Alanbrooke in a forthcoming thread. My next thread should also appeal to an Ulsterman.

    Aww shucks and I'm back home with my brother this weekend too !
    This all dependent on there being no more Corbyn/Labour fuck ups this weekend.

    Jeremy Corbyn becoming Labour leader has made the pre planning of PB threads a nightmare
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    500k more employees in last 12 months.

    Knocking that is daft.
    DavidL said:

    Osborne's handling of macro-economic issues has been freakily good. So good that you have to assume that he has had more than his fair share of luck.

    Where he has undoubtedly been weaker is in reform. The banking sector should have been broken up and made more competitive. Our tax code is frankly ludicrous and is screaming out for simplification. He is far too fond of tweaks and gestures which sound good but actually achieve very little. His need for gestures means things change too often for long term investment decisions.

    But he can claim a lot of credit for the employment miracle we have undergone; he has significantly reduced the deficit without creating anything like the pain that was anticipated; the emphasis on apprenticeships is a good thing; he has worked hard to reduce tax avoidance/evasion and been quite innovative on how to deal with multinationals; he has tried hard to keep London's place on the international stage in particular in relation to India, China and the middle east and he has, with his colleagues, worked wonders in getting the head count in government down to a more sustainable level.

    I would give him 7 or 8 out of 10. Brown, in comparison, barely troubled the scorers.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,998
    This is interesting:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/opinium-blog/corbyn-support-dropping-outside-his-base

    Preferred leader September to December:

    Northern England
    Corbyn +3 -> Cameron +10

    London
    Cameron +7 -> Corbyn +10

    Wales has also gone from Corbyn +14 to a Cameron lead:

    ' The difference between the capital and the rest of the country is a serious problem for Labour. As London warms to the new Labour leader, the rest of the country is turning away from him. The most striking thing is that opinion outside London is now worryingly consistent, cutting across many of the traditional party identifiers such as social grade and region. '

    If this is accurate then things look good for Sadiq Khan but Labour will take a hammering everywhere else.

    Leading to yet more internal Labour disruption between Corbyn's London based fan club and increasingly panicky Labour MPs in Wales and Northern England.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738


    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"

    I have an affection for George, he's my kind of Tory.

    I'll never forget his performance at the 2007 Tory conference, he and Dave pulled out all the stops to make sure Brown didn't call an election that Autumn.

    Plus, I'm more forgiving of the inheritance he was bequeathed by Darling, who turned the taps on, whereas as Callaghan and Healey did their best to turn the taps off in the 70s.
    He's unfortunately going the same path as Brown. He loves the Treasury for it's security and roving brief to interfere in everything. In truth he should be rotating to Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary to widen his horizons if he was serious about the top job, I think inside he knows he won't get it which is why he clings to his power base.
    That's what pisses me off, he's nothing like Brown.

    Look at the way Brown continually undermined Blair and his colleagues. Osborne has been loyal and tried to ensure government works fine.

    Can you recall him doing anything to undermine Cameron, in the way Brown did to Blair, or Lawson at times did to Thatcher?
    In that respect you are correct, but in terms of dabbling, political gimmicks and hugely on economic policy he's Brown's mini me.

    You tend to judge him on his politics, I judge him on his fit for the day job .
    We'll soon get the complete 2015 data and be able to see how the 'March Of The Makers' and the trillion pound export drive are progressing.

    For today we'll have to make do with the tourism stats:

    ' Compared with the same quarter a year ago, visits to the UK by overseas residents increased by 4.7% to 10.5 million in Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2015. The number of nights spent in the UK by overseas residents, also rose by 6.0%, but the estimated earnings from these visits fell by 3.8% to £7.1 billion.

    Visits abroad by UK residents during quarter 3 2015 increased by 9.1% to 22.4 million compared with Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2014. The number of nights spent abroad by UK residents rose by 13.4% and expenditure during these visits increased by 13.6% to £14.4 billion. '

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/ott/overseas-travel-and-tourism---quarterly-release/q3-2015/rpt-ott-quarter-3--july-to-sept--2015.html

    Borrow and bribe x half a trillion.


    march of the makers - just for you

    http://www.ga.businessgrowthservice.greatbusiness.gov.uk/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Labour plotting £140 billion tax bombshell with relief cuts and spending hikes
    John McDonnell: Labour would reverse savings and consider scrapping reliefs

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12113816/Labour-plotting-140-billion-tax-bombshell-with-relief-cuts-and-spending-hikes.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited 2016 21
    Lancashire police criticise BBC over 'terrorist house' story

    The police visit took place because of other worrying issues in the boy’s school work, not just the “terrorist house” line, Grunshaw said. The concerns were “reported through the appropriate channels”.

    “This was not responded to as a terror incident and the reporter was fully aware of this before she wrote her story,” he said. “In the event there was no further action needed, but if the school and police had not acted then they would have been failing in their duty to respond to concerns.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/lancashire-police-criticise-bbc-over-terrorist-house-story

    Seems BBC have done what they so often criticise the Daily Rant for...taking one part of the much bigger story and making that the central focus of the reasons why. They clearly thought they had a UK equivalent of the Ahmed Mohamed clock incident.

    Don't know if accurate but I read somewhere that the red door story didn't stand up either, in that the company painted all doors red and they housed all sorts of people, not just asylum seekers.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Thanks once more to Harry.I expect a strong showing for the Green candidate in Newington,which may well help to secure a ukip hold.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Golly
    *some snippage below*
    BBC Katya
    Deputy Interior Min in #Germany tells me priority is to reduce numbers of #migrants coming. Says only effective if all #EU works together

    Ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha! Aha. Ahhh.

    The nerve of the f*ckers. After unilaterally causing the problem, they're now piously asking for cooperation in fixing it!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,052
    edited 2016 21

    This is interesting:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/opinium-blog/corbyn-support-dropping-outside-his-base

    Preferred leader September to December:

    Northern England
    Corbyn +3 -> Cameron +10

    London
    Cameron +7 -> Corbyn +10

    Wales has also gone from Corbyn +14 to a Cameron lead:

    ' The difference between the capital and the rest of the country is a serious problem for Labour. As London warms to the new Labour leader, the rest of the country is turning away from him. The most striking thing is that opinion outside London is now worryingly consistent, cutting across many of the traditional party identifiers such as social grade and region. '

    If this is accurate then things look good for Sadiq Khan but Labour will take a hammering everywhere else.

    Leading to yet more internal Labour disruption between Corbyn's London based fan club and increasingly panicky Labour MPs in Wales and Northern England.

    Young people like Corbyn more and more though. What's wrong with them? I ask in jest, but I'm still in the 18-34 bracket, have never voted Tory, defended Ed M for heaven's sake, and I really cannot see a situation I'd vote for Corbyn (whatever his supposed personal niceness, and the occasional good idea, he's just too far out on too many major issues, sometimes offensively so), nor that I would have at age 18 either, so I think I have difficulty conceptualising what is so great about him.

    I should clarify it is not that young people would support him more than Cameron, particularly given the Labour brand is more popular, but that the support is increasing, which astounds me.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883

    500k more employees in last 12 months.

    Knocking that is daft.

    DavidL said:

    Osborne's handling of macro-economic issues has been freakily good. So good that you have to assume that he has had more than his fair share of luck.

    Where he has undoubtedly been weaker is in reform. The banking sector should have been broken up and made more competitive. Our tax code is frankly ludicrous and is screaming out for simplification. He is far too fond of tweaks and gestures which sound good but actually achieve very little. His need for gestures means things change too often for long term investment decisions.

    But he can claim a lot of credit for the employment miracle we have undergone; he has significantly reduced the deficit without creating anything like the pain that was anticipated; the emphasis on apprenticeships is a good thing; he has worked hard to reduce tax avoidance/evasion and been quite innovative on how to deal with multinationals; he has tried hard to keep London's place on the international stage in particular in relation to India, China and the middle east and he has, with his colleagues, worked wonders in getting the head count in government down to a more sustainable level.

    I would give him 7 or 8 out of 10. Brown, in comparison, barely troubled the scorers.

    Employment has been excellent since 2010, as has reducing economic inactivity.

    The bigger problems are more deep-rooted. Industrial output peaked 15 years ago, and growth per head has been wretched since then.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Twlldun
    How many times have you heard or used the word "neo-liberal" in physical conversation?.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,738
    DavidL said:

    Osborne's handling of macro-economic issues has been freakily good. So good that you have to assume that he has had more than his fair share of luck.

    Where he has undoubtedly been weaker is in reform. The banking sector should have been broken up and made more competitive. Our tax code is frankly ludicrous and is screaming out for simplification. He is far too fond of tweaks and gestures which sound good but actually achieve very little. His need for gestures means things change too often for long term investment decisions.

    But he can claim a lot of credit for the employment miracle we have undergone; he has significantly reduced the deficit without creating anything like the pain that was anticipated; the emphasis on apprenticeships is a good thing; he has worked hard to reduce tax avoidance/evasion and been quite innovative on how to deal with multinationals; he has tried hard to keep London's place on the international stage in particular in relation to India, China and the middle east and he has, with his colleagues, worked wonders in getting the head count in government down to a more sustainable level.

    I would give him 7 or 8 out of 10. Brown, in comparison, barely troubled the scorers.

    Sorry David I have him as ordinary in extraordinary times.

    On the macroecomic front he has benefited from the global reovery post 2009. Recessions last about 18 months then things get better much of the recovery would have happened anyway irresecpective of what Osborne did. It's your second paragraph which would increase the underlying rate of national growth and where he could have done something worthwhile but after 5 years we're still not much further on.

    As for your third paragraph yes there are gains on employment, some progress on tax evaders and actual progress on reducing the government payroll. But set against that are a failure to rebalance the economy, a large and growing BOP problem, flaky productivity ( a function of too much cheap labour and not enough investment ) and no major efforts to address overdue infrastructure projects which will boost national productivity. for me that off sets the pluses he has nothced up.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    kle4 said:

    This is interesting:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/opinium-blog/corbyn-support-dropping-outside-his-base

    Preferred leader September to December:

    Northern England
    Corbyn +3 -> Cameron +10

    London
    Cameron +7 -> Corbyn +10

    Wales has also gone from Corbyn +14 to a Cameron lead:

    ' The difference between the capital and the rest of the country is a serious problem for Labour. As London warms to the new Labour leader, the rest of the country is turning away from him. The most striking thing is that opinion outside London is now worryingly consistent, cutting across many of the traditional party identifiers such as social grade and region. '

    If this is accurate then things look good for Sadiq Khan but Labour will take a hammering everywhere else.

    Leading to yet more internal Labour disruption between Corbyn's London based fan club and increasingly panicky Labour MPs in Wales and Northern England.

    Young people like Corbyn more and more though. What's wrong with them? I ask in jest, but I'm still in the 18-34 bracket, have never voted Tory, defended Ed M for heaven's sake, and I really cannot see a situation I'd vote for Corbyn (whatever his supposed personal niceness, and the occasional good idea, he's just too far out on too many major issues, sometimes offensively so), nor that I would have at age 18 either, so I think I have difficulty conceptualising what is so great about him.

    I should clarify it is not that young people would support him more than Cameron, particularly given the Labour brand is more popular, but that the support is increasing, which astounds me.
    It could be the perennial problem of young respondents being highly unrepresentative of their age cohort.
  • CDMCDM Posts: 16
    Osborne is a meddler. He's happy to cut corporation tax, but burdens firms with an 'apprenticeship levy' (punishing firms with large workforces) and the banks with an extra tax on profits.

    If London loses HSBC it will be his doing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,362

    FPT

    @dorothy Eagles

    You;re dates are wrong Mr Eagles.

    I defended Osborne up to 2011 on the grounds he needed some time to settle in, see the books and announce what he was going to do. Likewise because he wasn't Gordon Brown.

    In 2011 he chickened out on reform and ever since Ive been on his case. As Ive pointed out reform needs to take place early in a Parlt so that the benefits outweigh the short term pains but start to feed through in time for the next election.

    GO has simply taken the easy way out and aped Brown, and he's doing exactly the same in this session.

    2011 - it;s the Eurozone causing a slowdown

    2016 - It's China causing a slowdown

    Plus ca change. Activity instead of Action.

    My faith in Osborne was recently shaken when the greatest PB Tory of all, the august, esteemed and, should be ennobled JohnO, heavily criticised Ozzy, using some most shocking language.
    you're simply catching me up. Come on board, it's fun being an ABO
    I've done an ABO thread for Sunday.

    Contains a Star Trek reference, the two greatest puns in PB history, one of which is a Latin pun.

    (FYI - I did do an ABO thread in 2012, saying Ozzy should be replaced by Ken Clarke)
    Replace him with a vacuum cleaner, anything , just move the tit .

    And the best PB pun remains Chris Huhnes trouser press claim being descibed as "the riches of creases"
    I am still very proud of my pun when, in the Westminster expenses scandal, the news broke that somebody had tried to claim a house for his waterfowl. I was quite prescient when I said I really couldn't see it being a duck-billed party plus....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    CDM said:

    Osborne is a meddler. He's happy to cut corporation tax, but burdens firms with an 'apprenticeship levy' (punishing firms with large workforces) and the banks with an extra tax on profits.

    If London loses HSBC it will be his doing.

    The apprentice levy is absolutely moronic.
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Is this true?

    Robert Kimbell
    The UK can leave the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act, thus rendering all EU law unenforceable in the UK and Gibraltar.

    Yes, absolutely.

    However, the correct way to exit the EU is not to renege on our treaty obligations. Instead, would simply invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. This would put us on three to five year exit path as we negotiated new trade agreements, both with the EU and with other countries. Furthermore, it would enable an orderly dissolution of legal structures. Simply repealing the 1972 ECA would leave quite a lot of things in legal limbo, and would almost certainly result in a great many law suits.
    LOL, have you anyone in mind with your new avatar ?
    I'd like our two visitors from St Petersburg to feel at home.
    Only two, seems like a good many others aren't toeing the line?

    Must be as frustrating as Trump's poll figures.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @haynesdeborah: Air Chief Marshal Sir Stuart Peach to be named tomorrow as Britain's new chief of the defence staff. He will take over top job in the summer
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    For a measly £8ish, I don't understand why many affluent PBers don't subscribe.

    The opinion pieces and BTL comments are as good as PB. And wider.

    I paid for DT access too, and wasted my money.

    Paying for good quality news and insight strikes me as perfectly obvious.

    The Mail gives great OTT, and lurid fastest details. Sky is there before the rest on tv.

    For the price of two cod and chips, or nice plonk - who wouldn't want 30 days of top notch stuff?

    Scott_P said:

    @MarcherLord1: Brilliant #NHS anecdote in The Times: https://t.co/ElpoNX67dS

    I have a subscription on Kindle but annoyingly it doesn't allow you to view on websites.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    This is interesting:

    http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/opinium-blog/corbyn-support-dropping-outside-his-base

    Preferred leader September to December:

    Northern England
    Corbyn +3 -> Cameron +10

    London
    Cameron +7 -> Corbyn +10

    Wales has also gone from Corbyn +14 to a Cameron lead:

    ' The difference between the capital and the rest of the country is a serious problem for Labour. As London warms to the new Labour leader, the rest of the country is turning away from him. The most striking thing is that opinion outside London is now worryingly consistent, cutting across many of the traditional party identifiers such as social grade and region. '

    If this is accurate then things look good for Sadiq Khan but Labour will take a hammering everywhere else.

    Leading to yet more internal Labour disruption between Corbyn's London based fan club and increasingly panicky Labour MPs in Wales and Northern England.

    Young people like Corbyn more and more though. What's wrong with them? I ask in jest, but I'm still in the 18-34 bracket, have never voted Tory, defended Ed M for heaven's sake, and I really cannot see a situation I'd vote for Corbyn (whatever his supposed personal niceness, and the occasional good idea, he's just too far out on too many major issues, sometimes offensively so), nor that I would have at age 18 either, so I think I have difficulty conceptualising what is so great about him.

    I should clarify it is not that young people would support him more than Cameron, particularly given the Labour brand is more popular, but that the support is increasing, which astounds me.
    It could be the perennial problem of young respondents being highly unrepresentative of their age cohort.
    He gets street cred for being attacked by the Tories and "the right wing press".

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