Big Business need to be careful their endorsements of the EU don't backfire..
IMO this is wrong. Of course the already committed Leavers will see every intervention on the Remain side as further proof that the EU is an evil empire which exists only to shaft the UK. But they're going to vote Leave anyway.
What the uncommitted will hear, to the extent that they are paying attention, is a drip, drip of voices from a huge range of different sources recommending staying in. That range will include the Prime Minister (who is well regarded, and who will be running the very effective 'best of both worlds' line), much of the Conservative Party, most of the Labour Party, the LibDems, the SNP, the unions, the CBI, the Institute of Directors, the City, most business figures, the Vatican, our European friends, the US, and of course most importantly of all the BBC. Normal voters, who are commendably cynical, won't be impressed by some of those voices, and in any case won't believe much of what is said, on either side. But they'll tend, very strongly, in the absence of a clear reason to vote otherwise, to take the safe option, which is Remain.
As I have been saying since 2008, it's a hell of tough gig for the Leave side to counter all that lot. Unfortunately, from their point of view, they haven't even started to address the issue of how they counter that wall of fear, uncertainty and doubt. Too late now, I think.
You might have a point were it not for the fact that big media, big business and all mainstream political parties have swung behind EU "yes" campaigns in several other EU countries in the recent past, and lost.
I agree that Remain has got itself in gear this year, whereas Leave (which started slightly earlier) is still leaderless.
That is a problem.
Until Dave spells out what his deal will achieve and how it will be delivered (memorandum or treaty change) it will be hard for the Tory leave side to get into gear. It is why he delayed the deal from December to February, and why Feb will become April and we well have a June referendum. Leaving as little time as possible for sceptical Tories to get their point across making sure the like of Farage are doing most of the campaigning.
If high profile Tories won't campaign for Leave, there's no point complaining that Farage is the highest profile Leave figure.
'I do see a lot of European leaders saying that they want us to remain but then being very reluctant to do anything concrete to address the UK's concerns'
Well that isn't too surprising for two reasons
1) Most European leaders are fully signed up to the EU's 'destiny' being a federal states of Europe. As the UK's concerns directly cut across that goal there isn't much wiggle room
2) European leaders have seen our PM conducting an openly fake 'renegotiation' process with lots of nods and winks. They don't think our politicians are serious about wanting a real change in our relations with the EU and assume our politicians can 'deliver' the public.
Re (1) - given that why do they want us to stay. They know that we don't want that and won't ever join in so why have a reluctant state there? (2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
I have already recieved Remain newspaper through the letter box it went in the bin after a cursory glance the other 3 voters in my house wouldnt even give it that.
You might have a point were it not for the fact that big media, big business and all mainstream political parties have swung behind EU "yes" campaigns in several other EU countries in the recent past, and lost.
Not really. None of those campaigns have been ones where the proposal was to dismantle what already exists.
What Leave needs to do is:
(a) Unite (obvious enough...) (b) Come up with a coherent alternative (probably too late, though) (c) Stop impugning the integrity of their opponents (d) Stop seeing everything as a conspiracy (e) Stop name-calling
Talking of Twitter, I find their website just about the most user-hostile piece of software since the Unix 'vi' editor.
Outrageous remark! It's the nearest thing computing has to omnipotence. If you found a Unix server on Mars you could still use the vi editor to hack around with it.
:q!
True, and it's hard-wired into my nervous system now.
'I do see a lot of European leaders saying that they want us to remain but then being very reluctant to do anything concrete to address the UK's concerns'
Well that isn't too surprising for two reasons
1) Most European leaders are fully signed up to the EU's 'destiny' being a federal states of Europe. As the UK's concerns directly cut across that goal there isn't much wiggle room
2) European leaders have seen our PM conducting an openly fake 'renegotiation' process with lots of nods and winks. They don't think our politicians are serious about wanting a real change in our relations with the EU and assume our politicians can 'deliver' the public.
Re (1) - given that why do they want us to stay. They know that we don't want that and won't ever join in so why have a reluctant state there? (2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
So what if you're a girl???
The heroine of Star Wars VII was ....a girl - Rey, played by Daisy Ridley!
I don't care. Lots of silly films have heroines. So what? It's a boys film.
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
Daleks ?!
It's OK, she's a girl, you need to make allowances
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
Daleks ?!
I told you. Not interested. Something like that - strange sci fi type creatures with odd names. Dr Who, Star Wars, and all the rest of them - they keep the males happy and occupied while the rest of us get on with the important stuff Or even have some peace and quiet.
On matters EU, perhaps more interesting was the exhortation of the Finnish Foreign Minister to Britain to remain in the EU. I had thought Cameron had coveted Finland as a potential ally in the re-negotiation but clearly the Finns want us to stay as well.
The Finnish FM did however say "without Britain there is no EU" which might be an attractive sentiment to some.
I wonder if Finland might join us in EFTA once we've voted to LEAVE.
Finland has very serious problems: a large part of its economy is oriented towards Russia, which is disastrous. Also, Nokia - once Europe's largest company - has gone into terminal decline.
They sold their mapping division to a consortium of German car companies for a song and they allowed a Microsoft placeman to hollow out their dominant mobile division. Nokia has made a series of poor decisions and now they are paying the price. They are an infrastructure company with no major customers. It isn't going to be easy for them to compete with the cheaper Chinese 4G/wireless infrastructure companies or even with Ericsson who are bigger, more diversified and haven't got to deal with the shitty legacy of Siemens bollocksing things up.
Nokia were killed by the Apple iPhone.
Or, rather, their inability to respond to it.
I used the prototype Meamo phone back in late 2007, it was Nokia's internal response to the iPhone. The board and the 1000 committees just never got around to releasing it as they didn't want to cannibalise sales of Symbian phones. If they had released the prototype (which had multi-touch in built and used a capacitive digitiser like the original iPhone) as their "next big thing" it would have been enough to keep them relevant. By the time they released the N900 in 2009 it was too late and Android had become the non-iOS challenger in the market and they hired Elop, a Microsoft placeman who destroyed their mobile division overnight by releasing smartphones exclusively with the unfinished Windows Phone platform.
Nokia killed Nokia.
I would add that, just before Elop arrived and probably too late anyway, they did get it right with the superlative Nokia N9. A genuinely amazing phone that I still use from time to time.
If high profile Tories won't campaign for Leave, there's no point complaining that Farage is the highest profile Leave figure.
My point is that cabinet members won't be taken seriously if they declare for Leave before Dave gets his "deal" which is why Dave has delayed and will continue to delay the announcement of it.
If Theresa May declared for Leave tomorrow, what's the first question?
Do you not have any confidence in the PM to get a good deal from the EU?
or
Have you decided that the PM's negotiation is a sham and declared for leave to boost your leadership campaign?
How does it help Leave if the assumed leader is bogged down in stupid questions.
Well, I largely stay off PB for a few days and come back to find discussions about poppers and all sorts of stuff.
Dear me! I can read this sort of stuff at work you know.
Does that make me an insider?!
You tell me! I thought you were at the respectable end! #AnotherCyclefreeIdealShattered
I am eminently respectable. When I want to be
I was just curious about what you were reading at work...
Trader communications.......
Ah. Yes. Interesting lot aren't they.
The "interesting" stuff can be quite tedious, not to mention depressing, when seen all too regularly. I do pine for a sentence, now and again. Even punctuation. A coherent thought would be fantastic. And if it were in English that would be worth celebrating.
As it is, it's a jumbled mix of the sex fantasies of 14 year olds, star wars references, incoherent letters occasionally resembling words, "jokes" (Oh God, the jokes!) and the sort of banalities heard on the last tube train after a football match.
Sometimes you'd be hard pressed to remember that you're dealing with higher primates.
I thought you'd have people who could read it for you and provide you with an elegant precis. Or has the charming Italian been cutting costs again?
'I do see a lot of European leaders saying that they want us to remain but then being very reluctant to do anything concrete to address the UK's concerns'
Well that isn't too surprising for two reasons
1) Most European leaders are fully signed up to the EU's 'destiny' being a federal states of Europe. As the UK's concerns directly cut across that goal there isn't much wiggle room
2) European leaders have seen our PM conducting an openly fake 'renegotiation' process with lots of nods and winks. They don't think our politicians are serious about wanting a real change in our relations with the EU and assume our politicians can 'deliver' the public.
Re (1) - given that why do they want us to stay. They know that we don't want that and won't ever join in so why have a reluctant state there? (2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
You might have a point were it not for the fact that big media, big business and all mainstream political parties have swung behind EU "yes" campaigns in several other EU countries in the recent past, and lost.
Not really. None of those campaigns have been ones where the proposal was to dismantle what already exists.
What Leave needs to do is:
(a) Unite (obvious enough...) (b) Come up with a coherent alternative (probably too late, though) (c) Stop impugning the integrity of their opponents (d) Stop seeing everything as a conspiracy (e) Stop name-calling
I fear that pigs will fly first, though.
I think the effect is much the same. Remain might well dismantle much of what exists of our current relationship, over time. There is no status quo option IMO.
I agree with your (c) to (e) and largely with (a) - excepting that Labour, UKIP, Conservative must be allowed their own brands - and, for that reason, there needs to be sufficient flexibility in (b) not to compromise that.
I think otherwise (b) is a trap but we know that it's EFTA-EEA as a holding position if we Leave with single market-lite (with immigration controls v.high on the negotiating table) the ultimate aim for the UK, but the details will always be up for negotiation. No more vague than the substance of Cameron's deal, which everyone seems to be prematurely deciding on now.
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
Daleks ?!
I told you. Not interested. Something like that - strange sci fi type creatures with odd names. Dr Who, Star Wars, and all the rest of them - they keep the males happy and occupied while the rest of us get on with the important stuff Or even have some peace and quiet.
My better half watches way more Dr Who than me. I fear you're stereotyping here ^^;
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
So what if you're a girl???
The heroine of Star Wars VII was ....a girl - Rey, played by Daisy Ridley!
I don't care. Lots of silly films have heroines. So what? It's a boys film.
What a sexist remark!
Just like the ones claiming Star Wars VII is a "feminist" film!
'I do see a lot of European leaders saying that they want us to remain but then being very reluctant to do anything concrete to address the UK's concerns'
Well that isn't too surprising for two reasons
1) Most European leaders are fully signed up to the EU's 'destiny' being a federal states of Europe. As the UK's concerns directly cut across that goal there isn't much wiggle room
2) European leaders have seen our PM conducting an openly fake 'renegotiation' process with lots of nods and winks. They don't think our politicians are serious about wanting a real change in our relations with the EU and assume our politicians can 'deliver' the public.
Re (1) - given that why do they want us to stay. They know that we don't want that and won't ever join in so why have a reluctant state there? (2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
On matters EU, perhaps more interesting was the exhortation of the Finnish Foreign Minister to Britain to remain in the EU. I had thought Cameron had coveted Finland as a potential ally in the re-negotiation but clearly the Finns want us to stay as well.
The Finnish FM did however say "without Britain there is no EU" which might be an attractive sentiment to some.
I wonder if Finland might join us in EFTA once we've voted to LEAVE.
Finland has very serious problems: a large part of its economy is oriented towards Russia, which is disastrous. Also, Nokia - once Europe's largest company - has gone into terminal decline.
They sold their mapping division to a consortium of German car companies for a song and they allowed a Microsoft placeman to hollow out their dominant mobile division. Nokia has made a series of poor decisions and now they are paying the price. They are an infrastructure company with no major customers. It isn't going to be easy for them to compete with the cheaper Chinese 4G/wireless infrastructure companies or even with Ericsson who are bigger, more diversified and haven't got to deal with the shitty legacy of Siemens bollocksing things up.
Nokia were killed by the Apple iPhone.
Or, rather, their inability to respond to it.
I used the prototype Meamo phone back in late 2007, it was Nokia's internal response to the iPhone. The board and the 1000 committees just never got around to releasing it as they didn't want to cannibalise sales of Symbian phones. If they had released the prototype (which had multi-touch in built and used a capacitive digitiser like the original iPhone) as their "next big thing" it would have been enough to keep them relevant. By the time they released the N900 in 2009 it was too late and Android had become the non-iOS challenger in the market and they hired Elop, a Microsoft placeman who destroyed their mobile division overnight by releasing smartphones exclusively with the unfinished Windows Phone platform.
Nokia killed Nokia.
I would add that, just before Elop arrived and probably too late anyway, they did get it right with the superlative Nokia N9. A genuinely amazing phone that I still use from time to time.
The 2007 prototype was the almost the same, just thicker and had a keyboard. The software was less mature, but it was decent enough. With a bit of polish they could have released it in early 2008 or even late 2007.
Well, I largely stay off PB for a few days and come back to find discussions about poppers and all sorts of stuff.
Dear me! I can read this sort of stuff at work you know.
Does that make me an insider?!
You tell me! I thought you were at the respectable end! #AnotherCyclefreeIdealShattered
I am eminently respectable. When I want to be
I was just curious about what you were reading at work...
Trader communications.......
Ah. Yes. Interesting lot aren't they.
The "interesting" stuff can be quite tedious, not to mention depressing, when seen all too regularly. I do pine for a sentence, now and again. Even punctuation. A coherent thought would be fantastic. And if it were in English that would be worth celebrating.
As it is, it's a jumbled mix of the sex fantasies of 14 year olds, star wars references, incoherent letters occasionally resembling words, "jokes" (Oh God, the jokes!) and the sort of banalities heard on the last tube train after a football match.
Sometimes you'd be hard pressed to remember that you're dealing with higher primates.
I thought you'd have people who could read it for you and provide you with an elegant precis. Or has the charming Italian been cutting costs again?
Well they do but as the boss I do need to get my hands dirty now and again. And sometimes it is written in languages only I understand.
And yes to the final question. Like many others these days.
Though I am tickled at the idea of an "elegant précis" of this kind of stuff. It would consist mostly of asterisks.
On matters EU, perhaps more interesting was the exhortation of the Finnish Foreign Minister to Britain to remain in the EU. I had thought Cameron had coveted Finland as a potential ally in the re-negotiation but clearly the Finns want us to stay as well.
The Finnish FM did however say "without Britain there is no EU" which might be an attractive sentiment to some.
I wonder if Finland might join us in EFTA once we've voted to LEAVE.
Finland has very serious problems: a large part of its economy is oriented towards Russia, which is disastrous. Also, Nokia - once Europe's largest company - has gone into terminal decline.
They sold their mapping division to a consortium of German car companies for a song and they allowed a Microsoft placeman to hollow out their dominant mobile division. Nokia has made a series of poor decisions and now they are paying the price. They are an infrastructure company with no major customers. It isn't going to be easy for them to compete with the cheaper Chinese 4G/wireless infrastructure companies or even with Ericsson who are bigger, more diversified and haven't got to deal with the shitty legacy of Siemens bollocksing things up.
Nokia were killed by the Apple iPhone.
Or, rather, their inability to respond to it.
I used the prototype Meamo phone back in late 2007, it was Nokia's internal response to the iPhone. The board and the 1000 committees just never got around to releasing it as they didn't want to cannibalise sales of Symbian phones. If they had released the prototype (which had multi-touch in built and used a capacitive digitiser like the original iPhone) as their "next big thing" it would have been enough to keep them relevant. By the time they released the N900 in 2009 it was too late and Android had become the non-iOS challenger in the market and they hired Elop, a Microsoft placeman who destroyed their mobile division overnight by releasing smartphones exclusively with the unfinished Windows Phone platform.
Nokia killed Nokia.
I would add that, just before Elop arrived and probably too late anyway, they did get it right with the superlative Nokia N9. A genuinely amazing phone that I still use from time to time.
The 2007 prototype was the almost the same, just thicker and had a keyboard. The software was less mature, but it was decent enough. With a bit of polish they could have released it in early 2008 or even late 2007.
After Nokia hired Elop and went with Windows Mobile, I wrote an open letter to the board. My favourite line:
This is not a corporate strategy; this is a corporate suicide.
'I do see a lot of European leaders saying that they want us to remain but then being very reluctant to do anything concrete to address the UK's concerns'
Well that isn't too surprising for two reasons
1) Most European leaders are fully signed up to the EU's 'destiny' being a federal states of Europe. As the UK's concerns directly cut across that goal there isn't much wiggle room
2) European leaders have seen our PM conducting an openly fake 'renegotiation' process with lots of nods and winks. They don't think our politicians are serious about wanting a real change in our relations with the EU and assume our politicians can 'deliver' the public.
Re (1) - given that why do they want us to stay. They know that we don't want that and won't ever join in so why have a reluctant state there? (2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
Out of interest, does anyone know if there would be a viable location for Trident anywhere else in the UK other than in Scotland?
Would it be as effective if it was based in Pembrokeshire or Plymouth, for example? I don't know if it would be able to do its "patrols" (or whatever else it does) from those places.
On matters EU, perhaps more interesting was the exhortation of the Finnish Foreign Minister to Britain to remain in the EU. I had thought Cameron had coveted Finland as a potential ally in the re-negotiation but clearly the Finns want us to stay as well.
The Finnish FM did however say "without Britain there is no EU" which might be an attractive sentiment to some.
I wonder if Finland might join us in EFTA once we've voted to LEAVE.
Finland has very serious problems: a large part of its economy is oriented towards Russia, which is disastrous. Also, Nokia - once Europe's largest company - has gone into terminal decline.
Nokia were killed by the Apple iPhone.
Or, rather, their inability to respond to it.
I used the prototype Meamo phone back in late 2007, it was Nokia's internal response to the iPhone. The board and the 1000 committees just never got around to releasing it as they didn't want to cannibalise sales of Symbian phones. If they had released the prototype (which had multi-touch in built and used a capacitive digitiser like the original iPhone) as their "next big thing" it would have been enough to keep them relevant. By the time they released the N900 in 2009 it was too late and Android had become the non-iOS challenger in the market and they hired Elop, a Microsoft placeman who destroyed their mobile division overnight by releasing smartphones exclusively with the unfinished Windows Phone platform.
Nokia killed Nokia.
I would add that, just before Elop arrived and probably too late anyway, they did get it right with the superlative Nokia N9. A genuinely amazing phone that I still use from time to time.
The 2007 prototype was the almost the same, just thicker and had a keyboard. The software was less mature, but it was decent enough. With a bit of polish they could have released it in early 2008 or even late 2007.
A friend of mine had his iPhone 4 die the other month and needed a phone for a couple of days. I lent him the N9, and when he handed out back having acquired a new iPhone 6+, he said "wow, that was a really good phone. Why didn't they market it?"
'I do see a lot of European leaders saying that they want us to remain but then being very reluctant to do anything concrete to address the UK's concerns'
Well that isn't too surprising for two reasons
1) Most European leaders are fully signed up to the EU's 'destiny' being a federal states of Europe. As the UK's concerns directly cut across that goal there isn't much wiggle room
2) European leaders have seen our PM conducting an openly fake 'renegotiation' process with lots of nods and winks. They don't think our politicians are serious about wanting a real change in our relations with the EU and assume our politicians can 'deliver' the public.
Re (1) - given that why do they want us to stay. They know that we don't want that and won't ever join in so why have a reluctant state there? (2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
Well, I largely stay off PB for a few days and come back to find discussions about poppers and all sorts of stuff.
Dear me! I can read this sort of stuff at work you know.
Does that make me an insider?!
You tell me! I thought you were at the respectable end! #AnotherCyclefreeIdealShattered
I am eminently respectable. When I want to be
I was just curious about what you were reading at work...
Trader communications.......
Ah. Yes. Interesting lot aren't they.
The "interesting" stuff can be quite tedious, not to mention depressing, when seen all too regularly. I do pine for a sentence, now and again. Even punctuation. A coherent thought would be fantastic. And if it were in English that would be worth celebrating.
As it is, it's a jumbled mix of the sex fantasies of 14 year olds, star wars references, incoherent letters occasionally resembling words, "jokes" (Oh God, the jokes!) and the sort of banalities heard on the last tube train after a football match.
Sometimes you'd be hard pressed to remember that you're dealing with higher primates.
I thought you'd have people who could read it for you and provide you with an elegant precis. Or has the charming Italian been cutting costs again?
Well they do but as the boss I do need to get my hands dirty now and again. And sometimes it is written in languages only I understand.
And yes to the final question. Like many others these days.
Though I am tickled at the idea of an "elegant précis" of this kind of stuff. It would consist mostly of asterisks.
Do give him my best. Haven't seen him for a few years - bumped into him on a flight back from Milan.
Out of interest, does anyone know if there would be a viable location for Trident anywhere else in the UK other than in Scotland?
Would it be as effective if it was based in Pembrokeshire or Plymouth, for example? I don't know if it would be able to do its "patrols" (or whatever else it does) from those places.
It could be based elsewhere, but the boats would have to sail further before entering the deeper waters into which they 'disappear'.
The main thing that could sway the Labour grassroots away from supporting Corbyn is if some of even the "true believers" start jumping ship (since obviously MPs' grumbles have no weight since they were against Corbyn from Day One).
The day Owen Jones withdraws his support will be the tipping point.
'I do see a lot of European leaders saying that they want us to remain but then being very reluctant to do anything concrete to address the UK's concerns'
Well that isn't too surprising for two reasons
1) Most European leaders are fully signed up to the EU's 'destiny' being a federal states of Europe. As the UK's concerns directly cut across that goal there isn't much wiggle room
2) European leaders have seen our PM conducting an openly fake 'renegotiation' process with lots of nods and winks. They don't think our politicians are serious about wanting a real change in our relations with the EU and assume our politicians can 'deliver' the public.
Re (1) - given that why do they want us to stay. They know that we don't want that and won't ever join in so why have a reluctant state there? (2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
Imo it would be a huge, maybe terminal blow to the EU to lose one of Europe's most populous states and second-biggest economy, a G7 and P5 member, a nuclear armed state etc etc.
@BBCNewsnight: Roy Hattersley: "I think the situation now is worse than the 1980s...we will get back but it will take longer." #newsnight
In 1983 Labour could rely on big leads in many Scottish and Welsh valley constituencies. Now they've lost nearly all of the former and their majorities in the latter have never been smaller.
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
So what if you're a girl???
The heroine of Star Wars VII was ....a girl - Rey, played by Daisy Ridley!
I don't care. Lots of silly films have heroines. So what? It's a boys film.
What a sexist remark!
Just like the ones claiming Star Wars VII is a "feminist" film!
What twaddle! My opinion, that's all. No need to add an "ism" to it. You like it. Good for you. I couldn't care less.
I merely observe that the only people obsessing about the film and its many wonders as if it were the Eighth Wonder of the World seem to be men. And I therefore conclude based on my observations that it appears to appeal to certain groups more than others. Good luck to the makers.
I just wish that the people I have to deal with in my professional life had a wider range of interests.
Well, I largely stay off PB for a few days and come back to find discussions about poppers and all sorts of stuff.
Dear me! I can read this sort of stuff at work you know.
Does that make me an insider?!
You tell me! I thought you were at the respectable end! #AnotherCyclefreeIdealShattered
I am eminently respectable. When I want to be
I was just curious about what you were reading at work...
Trader communications.......
Ah. Yes. Interesting lot aren't they.
The "interesting" stuff can be quite tedious, not to mention depressing, when seen all too regularly. I do pine for a sentence, now and again. Even punctuation. A coherent thought would be fantastic. And if it were in English that would be worth celebrating.
As it is, it's a jumbled mix of the sex fantasies of 14 year olds, star wars references, incoherent letters occasionally resembling words, "jokes" (Oh God, the jokes!) and the sort of banalities heard on the last tube train after a football match.
Sometimes you'd be hard pressed to remember that you're dealing with higher primates.
I thought you'd have people who could read it for you and provide you with an elegant precis. Or has the charming Italian been cutting costs again?
Well they do but as the boss I do need to get my hands dirty now and again. And sometimes it is written in languages only I understand.
And yes to the final question. Like many others these days.
Though I am tickled at the idea of an "elegant précis" of this kind of stuff. It would consist mostly of asterisks.
Do give him my best. Haven't seen him for a few years - bumped into him on a flight back from Milan.
Were you serving the drinks, or collecting trays after the In Flight service?
After Nokia hired Elop and went with Windows Mobile, I wrote an open letter to the board. My favourite line:
This is not a corporate strategy; this is a corporate suicide.
I think everyone I knew at Sony Ericsson at the time was breathing a sigh of relief because a Nokia comeback was the one thing they really didn't want. A customised version of Android with all of the apps from the Ovi store would have been a tough competitor in the market. Nowhere near as dominant as they were in the Symbian era, but at least 10x better than they ever did with WP7.
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
So what if you're a girl???
The heroine of Star Wars VII was ....a girl - Rey, played by Daisy Ridley!
I don't care. Lots of silly films have heroines. So what? It's a boys film.
What a sexist remark!
Just like the ones claiming Star Wars VII is a "feminist" film!
What twaddle! My opinion, that's all. No need to add an "ism" to it. You like it. Good for you. I couldn't care less.
I merely observe that the only people obsessing about the film and its many wonders as if it were the Eighth Wonder of the World seem to be men. And I therefore conclude based on my observations that it appears to appeal to certain groups more than others. Good luck to the makers.
I just wish that the people I have to deal with in my professional life had a wider range of interests.
Out of interest, does anyone know if there would be a viable location for Trident anywhere else in the UK other than in Scotland?
Would it be as effective if it was based in Pembrokeshire or Plymouth, for example? I don't know if it would be able to do its "patrols" (or whatever else it does) from those places.
Don't know about Pembroke but Plymouth was the home for nuclear attack submarines for decades so there is no logical reasons why the Trident boats couldn't operate from there.
The big squawk would over the storage of warheads so close to a population centre. In days of yore the RN moved nuclear weapons in and out of Devonport all the time (and Portsmouth, Rosyth, Chatham, and Gibraltar). However, I doubt whether the standards of those times would be acceptable today.
The negative briefing on someone who is well respected across the party (and was kept on at City hall by boris) by someone that is clearly Seumus Milne is just rank amateurish. They really are venal, incompetent swine.
There have been a few there is method in jezza's madness articles (eg rafael behr today in the graun) but it seems to me they actually have no idea what they are doing and that corbyn has surrounded himself with mediocre power crazed lunatics.
Well, I largely stay off PB for a few days and come back to find discussions about poppers and all sorts of stuff.
Dear me! I can read this sort of stuff at work you know.
Does that make me an insider?!
You tell me! I thought you were at the respectable end! #AnotherCyclefreeIdealShattered
I am eminently respectable. When I want to be
I was just curious about what you were reading at work...
Trader communications.......
Ah. Yes. Interesting lot aren't they.
The "interesting" stuff can be quite tedious, not to mention depressing, when seen all too regularly. I do pine for a sentence, now and again. Even punctuation. A coherent thought would be fantastic. And if it were in English that would be worth celebrating.
As it is, it's a jumbled mix of the sex fantasies of 14 year olds, star wars references, incoherent letters occasionally resembling words, "jokes" (Oh God, the jokes!) and the sort of banalities heard on the last tube train after a football match.
Sometimes you'd be hard pressed to remember that you're dealing with higher primates.
I thought you'd have people who could read it for you and provide you with an elegant precis. Or has the charming Italian been cutting costs again?
Well they do but as the boss I do need to get my hands dirty now and again. And sometimes it is written in languages only I understand.
And yes to the final question. Like many others these days.
Though I am tickled at the idea of an "elegant précis" of this kind of stuff. It would consist mostly of asterisks.
Do give him my best. Haven't seen him for a few years - bumped into him on a flight back from Milan.
Were you serving the drinks, or collecting trays after the In Flight service?
No. But I was traveling in steerage, while he was lounging about in 1C.
Is there any reason why we haven't had a thread on the Panelbase poll published yesterday on the EU question? It shows a lead amongst committed voters for leave. Here's the link:
Out of interest, does anyone know if there would be a viable location for Trident anywhere else in the UK other than in Scotland?
Would it be as effective if it was based in Pembrokeshire or Plymouth, for example? I don't know if it would be able to do its "patrols" (or whatever else it does) from those places.
I'm a girl. Star Wars is not OK. Or, rather, it's OK if you want to see a film with daleks and lasers (or stuff like that). But obsessing about it endlessly is a bit, well, odd.
And bloody tiresome to read.
....*ducks and hides*......
So what if you're a girl???
The heroine of Star Wars VII was ....a girl - Rey, played by Daisy Ridley!
I don't care. Lots of silly films have heroines. So what? It's a boys film.
What a sexist remark!
Just like the ones claiming Star Wars VII is a "feminist" film!
What twaddle! My opinion, that's all. No need to add an "ism" to it. You like it. Good for you. I couldn't care less.
I merely observe that the only people obsessing about the film and its many wonders as if it were the Eighth Wonder of the World seem to be men. And I therefore conclude based on my observations that it appears to appeal to certain groups more than others. Good luck to the makers.
I just wish that the people I have to deal with in my professional life had a wider range of interests.
The day Owen Jones withdraws his support will be the tipping point.
He's already reached the constructive critic/tough love phase
Seems so.
Meanwhile Dan hodges is running out of material and resorted to 3/4 of a piece being a description of American football to use as an extended analogy. I convinced he,ll start reproducing scenes f ok books and movies about doomed people, the tack on a line saying 'x represents labour'
Also does anyone know why I can't post here using my iPhone 4S? Whenever I try to start typing a post in the comment box, it reloads the page. Very frustrating!
A friend of mine had his iPhone 4 die the other month and needed a phone for a couple of days. I lent him the N9, and when he handed out back having acquired a new iPhone 6+, he said "wow, that was a really good phone. Why didn't they market it?"
I just want to know what possessed the board when they thought hiring Elop was a good idea. The N9 was a great product, late but great. WP7 was a poor product and it was late. There was also a lot of latent hostility towards WP7 in Europe (Nokia's strongest market) because it was by Microsoft.
It was like someone in Apple, Samsung or Sony wrote a paper on what the best strategy for Nokia to take wrt to smartphones would be for Apple, Samsung or Sony - and then Nokia did exactly that.
Also does anyone know why I can't post here using my iPhone 4S? Whenever I try to start typing a post in the comment box, it reloads the page. Very frustrating!
Out of interest, does anyone know if there would be a viable location for Trident anywhere else in the UK other than in Scotland?
Would it be as effective if it was based in Pembrokeshire or Plymouth, for example? I don't know if it would be able to do its "patrols" (or whatever else it does) from those places.
We should all believe this column because Tim Montgomerie has proved himself to be such a brilliant forecaster of election results recently and politics more generally.
We should all believe this column because Tim Montgomerie has proved himself to be such a brilliant forecaster of election results recently and politics more generally.
Tim's mates have told him it can't happen. I can't read the whole article but pretty much nailed on his US mates will be establishment republican types.
We should all believe this column because Tim Montgomerie has proved himself to be such a brilliant forecaster of election results recently and politics more generally.
Tim's mates have told him it can't happen. I can't read the whole article but pretty much nailed on his US mates will be establishment republican types.
Now think Tim...
I often wonder what it might be like to be constantly considered as make the wrong calls. But then I suppose there is always the hope of pulling a Churchill or a Hodges and ending up being proved correct
Getting ready for the Blizzard of '16 here in DC. Whatever happens, for sure it is cold. This morning it was 14F (-10C). You can tell it is cold when walking through the woods with the dogs the leaves all crunch underfoot rather than rustle.
We should all believe this column because Tim Montgomerie has proved himself to be such a brilliant forecaster of election results recently and politics more generally.
Tim's mates have told him it can't happen. I can't read the whole article but pretty much nailed on his US mates will be establishment republican types.
Now think Tim...
I often wonder what it might be like to be constantly considered as make the wrong calls. But then I suppose there is always the hope of pulling a Churchill or a Hodges and ending up being proved correct
It gets expensive if you're betting on stuff. That's why the best pundits also bet - Nate Silver is normally correct and Matt Singh's reputation is high after GE2015. The average pundit just pumps out whatever gets them the column fee though...
Calais migrants given green light to use European human rights laws to come to Britain
In a landmark ruling that could lead to chaos in Britain's asylum system, a court decided that four Syrian migrants should immediately be brought to the UK from “The Jungle” camp in Calais because of their right to a family life
We should all believe this column because Tim Montgomerie has proved himself to be such a brilliant forecaster of election results recently and politics more generally.
Tim's mates have told him it can't happen. I can't read the whole article but pretty much nailed on his US mates will be establishment republican types.
Now think Tim...
I often wonder what it might be like to be constantly considered as make the wrong calls. But then I suppose there is always the hope of pulling a Churchill or a Hodges and ending up being proved correct
It gets expensive if you're betting on stuff. That's why the best pundits also bet - Nate Silver is normally correct and Matt Singh's reputation is high after GE2015. The average pundit just pumps out whatever gets them the column fee though...
You don't touch Nate Silver for UK politics if you want to keep your shirt...
Getting ready for the Blizzard of '16 here in DC. Whatever happens, for sure it is cold. This morning it was 14F (-10C). You can tell it is cold when walking through the woods with the dogs the leaves all crunch underfoot rather than rustle.
We've had it cold here too - it was 21F this morning.
We should all believe this column because Tim Montgomerie has proved himself to be such a brilliant forecaster of election results recently and politics more generally.
Tim's mates have told him it can't happen. I can't read the whole article but pretty much nailed on his US mates will be establishment republican types.
Now think Tim...
I often wonder what it might be like to be constantly considered as make the wrong calls. But then I suppose there is always the hope of pulling a Churchill or a Hodges and ending up being proved correct
It gets expensive if you're betting on stuff. That's why the best pundits also bet - Nate Silver is normally correct and Matt Singh's reputation is high after GE2015. The average pundit just pumps out whatever gets them the column fee though...
You don't touch Nate Silver for UK politics if you want to keep your shirt...
US stuff he's pretty good, tho he missed the toupe guy !
A friend of mine had his iPhone 4 die the other month and needed a phone for a couple of days. I lent him the N9, and when he handed out back having acquired a new iPhone 6+, he said "wow, that was a really good phone. Why didn't they market it?"
I just want to know what possessed the board when they thought hiring Elop was a good idea. The N9 was a great product, late but great. WP7 was a poor product and it was late. There was also a lot of latent hostility towards WP7 in Europe (Nokia's strongest market) because it was by Microsoft.
It was like someone in Apple, Samsung or Sony wrote a paper on what the best strategy for Nokia to take wrt to smartphones would be for Apple, Samsung or Sony - and then Nokia did exactly that.
I am a man of simple tastes, I still have my C3 I got as a birthday present in 2010
Calais migrants given green light to use European human rights laws to come to Britain
In a landmark ruling that could lead to chaos in Britain's asylum system, a court decided that four Syrian migrants should immediately be brought to the UK from “The Jungle” camp in Calais because of their right to a family life
The main thing that could sway the Labour grassroots away from supporting Corbyn is if some of even the "true believers" start jumping ship (since obviously MPs' grumbles have no weight since they were against Corbyn from Day One).
The day Owen Jones withdraws his support will be the tipping point.
This from Jones' column on Monday is as close as you can get to saying Jeremy is a liability who should go without actually saying it:
Finally: Ed Miliband was rejected as a potential prime minister. Whether Jeremy Corbyn remains for the long haul, or proves a transitional figure who makes way for somebody else, leadership matters. Allowing a hostile media to shred a leader to pieces by writing off presentation as New Labour-type spin would be a fatal mistake.
A friend of mine had his iPhone 4 die the other month and needed a phone for a couple of days. I lent him the N9, and when he handed out back having acquired a new iPhone 6+, he said "wow, that was a really good phone. Why didn't they market it?"
I just want to know what possessed the board when they thought hiring Elop was a good idea. The N9 was a great product, late but great. WP7 was a poor product and it was late. There was also a lot of latent hostility towards WP7 in Europe (Nokia's strongest market) because it was by Microsoft.
It was like someone in Apple, Samsung or Sony wrote a paper on what the best strategy for Nokia to take wrt to smartphones would be for Apple, Samsung or Sony - and then Nokia did exactly that.
Have you read Tomi Ahonen's blog? His theory is that Elop was hired precisely because he said or implied that he could arrange the sale of the devices business to Microsoft. (Well that's one of his theories.)
Imo Elop was a monumental dickwad. However, Nokia was already screwed by the complacency it showed while Oli-Pekka Kallasvuo was CEO. In particular, it didn't take Android seriously. That was fatal. Apple was always going to do its thing and get its high-end market-share. Nokia needed to be the thing (ie own the platform) that was not Apple. It had a huge head start and lost to Android.
Of all the stuff I've read or heard about the demise of Nokia the thing most struck a chord with me was that businesses fail when they don't know who their competitors are. It took a very long for Nokia to notice that it was competing with Google.
(I used to work for Nokia. Still pisses me off what happened.)
Calais migrants given green light to use European human rights laws to come to Britain
In a landmark ruling that could lead to chaos in Britain's asylum system, a court decided that four Syrian migrants should immediately be brought to the UK from “The Jungle” camp in Calais because of their right to a family life
A friend of mine had his iPhone 4 die the other month and needed a phone for a couple of days. I lent him the N9, and when he handed out back having acquired a new iPhone 6+, he said "wow, that was a really good phone. Why didn't they market it?"
I just want to know what possessed the board when they thought hiring Elop was a good idea. The N9 was a great product, late but great. WP7 was a poor product and it was late. There was also a lot of latent hostility towards WP7 in Europe (Nokia's strongest market) because it was by Microsoft.
It was like someone in Apple, Samsung or Sony wrote a paper on what the best strategy for Nokia to take wrt to smartphones would be for Apple, Samsung or Sony - and then Nokia did exactly that.
When the first N9 reviews came out, I still remember one that said:
"If you must get a non-Android, non-iPhone device, this is the one to get. It's slick, well designed, and extremely easy to use. Nokia has a winner".
Elop said (and I'm paraphrasing only a bit):
"I don't care if the N9 is a huge success, we will not be supporting it, or releasing any more Maemo phones".
A friend of mine had his iPhone 4 die the other month and needed a phone for a couple of days. I lent him the N9, and when he handed out back having acquired a new iPhone 6+, he said "wow, that was a really good phone. Why didn't they market it?"
I just want to know what possessed the board when they thought hiring Elop was a good idea. The N9 was a great product, late but great. WP7 was a poor product and it was late. There was also a lot of latent hostility towards WP7 in Europe (Nokia's strongest market) because it was by Microsoft.
It was like someone in Apple, Samsung or Sony wrote a paper on what the best strategy for Nokia to take wrt to smartphones would be for Apple, Samsung or Sony - and then Nokia did exactly that.
Have you read Tomi Ahonen's blog? His theory is that Elop was hired precisely because he said or implied that he could arrange the sale of the devices business to Microsoft. (Well that's one of his theories.)
Imo Elop was a monumental dickwad. However, Nokia was already screwed by the complacency it showed while Oli-Pekka Kallasvuo was CEO. In particular, it didn't take Android seriously. That was fatal. Apple was always going to do its thing and get its high-end market-share. Nokia needed to be the thing (ie own the platform) that was not Apple. It had a huge head start and lost to Android.
Of all the stuff I've read or heard about the demise of Nokia the thing most struck a chord with me was that businesses fail when they don't know who their competitors are. It took a very long for Nokia to notice that it was competing with Google.
(I used to work for Nokia. Still pisses me off what happened.)
Google approached OPK and begged Nokia to be the launch customer for Android. But Nokia (OPK, really) said "No".
Calais migrants given green light to use European human rights laws to come to Britain
In a landmark ruling that could lead to chaos in Britain's asylum system, a court decided that four Syrian migrants should immediately be brought to the UK from “The Jungle” camp in Calais because of their right to a family life
Calais migrants given green light to use European human rights laws to come to Britain
In a landmark ruling that could lead to chaos in Britain's asylum system, a court decided that four Syrian migrants should immediately be brought to the UK from “The Jungle” camp in Calais because of their right to a family life
Sorry to interrupt, but economic events are taking place and oil is crashing at a rate that if it continues for another month the price of it will reach 0$.
Happy to bet oil doesn't reach $0/barrel
Whats the hard floor ?
People said it was $30, now they are talking about $25. I'm not an oil trader, but I think $16 is as low as it can go before it basically costs more to pump it out of the ground and ship it on tankers than to just leave it in the ground.
Presumably the sustainable floor is the marginal cost of extraction at the point at which supply meets demand.
"Here is Rystad Energy’s list of production costs for the 20 largest oil-producing countries:
Kuwait – $8.50 a barrel Saudi Arabia – $9.90 Iraq – $10.70 United Arab Emirates – $12.30 Iran – $12.60 Russia – $17.20 Algeria – $20.40 Venezuela – $23.50 Libya – $23.80 Kazakhstan – $27.80 Mexico – $29.10 China – $29.90 Nigeria – $31.60 Colombia – $35.30 Angola – $35.40 Norway – $36.10 United States – $36.20 Canada – $41.00 Brazil – $48.80 United Kingdom – $52.50
From this, it's hard to see a sustainable floor much below $40. However, given the glut of oil in storage currently and the need to dump it, I don't see that there is a calculable floor in the short-term.
'The Donald has almost no chance of being the Republican presidential nominee. Even if he is, he’ll lose to Hillary When I asked a few American contacts what would happen if The Donald makes it to the Oval Office I was assured it would never happen — and not just because voters will eventually realise that a Trump presidency would be a car crash. One contact predicted a literal car crash. Another suggested “they” would inject Mr Trump with a drug that would induce a fatal heart attack.' http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4670357.ece
'The Donald has almost no chance of being the Republican presidential nominee. Even if he is, he’ll lose to Hillary When I asked a few American contacts what would happen if The Donald makes it to the Oval Office I was assured it would never happen — and not just because voters will eventually realise that a Trump presidency would be a car crash. One contact predicted a literal car crash. Another suggested “they” would inject Mr Trump with a drug that would induce a fatal heart attack.' http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4670357.ece
The bit about inducing a heart attack shows this isn't a serious column worth reading.
"We thought MeeGo would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones. However, at this rate, by the end of 2011, we might have only one MeeGo product in the market."
The fact that Apple had only one iPhone in the market seemed to pass him by.
Sorry to interrupt, but economic events are taking place and oil is crashing at a rate that if it continues for another month the price of it will reach 0$.
Happy to bet oil doesn't reach $0/barrel
Whats the hard floor ?
People said it was $30, now they are talking about $25. I'm not an oil trader, but I think $16 is as low as it can go before it basically costs more to pump it out of the ground and ship it on tankers than to just leave it in the ground.
$25 today is equivalent to about $5 using 1975 prices.
We should all believe this column because Tim Montgomerie has proved himself to be such a brilliant forecaster of election results recently and politics more generally.
Tim's mates have told him it can't happen. I can't read the whole article but pretty much nailed on his US mates will be establishment republican types.
Now think Tim...
I often wonder what it might be like to be constantly considered as make the wrong calls. But then I suppose there is always the hope of pulling a Churchill or a Hodges and ending up being proved correct
It gets expensive if you're betting on stuff. That's why the best pundits also bet - Nate Silver is normally correct and Matt Singh's reputation is high after GE2015. The average pundit just pumps out whatever gets them the column fee though...
You don't touch Nate Silver for UK politics if you want to keep your shirt...
US stuff he's pretty good, tho he missed the toupe guy !
Nate Silver is only as good as the data (polls) he works from because he is a data only guy - he actively eschew expert, touchy feely analysis on top of the data.
As we know, the data is not always good, and in the US in particular, you have to skew the raw data for how fired up each party is.
His record in politics overall is not really that great. He had one great Presidential cycle (2008), one hopeless off-year cycle (2010), one ok Presidential cycle (2012) and one less than stellar off-cycle (2014).
Where he is truly excellent is where the data is good and plentiful and the systems a little less complex - sports.
"We thought MeeGo would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones. However, at this rate, by the end of 2011, we might have only one MeeGo product in the market."
The fact that Apple had only one iPhone in the market seemed to pass him by.
I would accept that a Meego strategy was a long shot by 2011. We needed to have moved faster earlier. However, even in 2011 it was better than the suicidal Windows Phone strategy. Or, in 2011, Nokia could just have accepted being an Android OEM. Sure, you don't control the platform but at least it's a platform with some freaking traction in the market.
Getting ready for the Blizzard of '16 here in DC. Whatever happens, for sure it is cold. This morning it was 14F (-10C). You can tell it is cold when walking through the woods with the dogs the leaves all crunch underfoot rather than rustle.
We've had it cold here too - it was 21F this morning.
Stay warm and I hope it's not too bad there.
We've got 2 cords of wood in, and the generator all fueled up and ready to go. Spare gas and diesel (for the tractor with the blade).
So we should have power, heat and a stove to cook on and the ability to dig ourselves out.
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(2) True - but that should also tell them that the sore will continue.
Even with a Remain vote the UK's general grumbling euroscepticism won't go away. The UK may put up with it, may think the alternative worse or be worried about it but I doubt that it will ever love the EU let alone its project in the way that other countries do. I don't think we're right and the others are wrong. We have different perspectives, that's all.
So why be so keen to keep the UK in the EU? Unless it really is just about our money and avoiding the blow to the EU's amour propre caused by a country leaving........
I have already recieved Remain newspaper through the letter box it went in the bin after a cursory glance the other 3 voters in my house wouldnt even give it that.
Could easily be 4 DNV here
What Leave needs to do is:
(a) Unite (obvious enough...)
(b) Come up with a coherent alternative (probably too late, though)
(c) Stop impugning the integrity of their opponents
(d) Stop seeing everything as a conspiracy
(e) Stop name-calling
I fear that pigs will fly first, though.
Off to bed early
xx
"Corbyn aide quits as Labour feud turns nasty"
Eventually all of this tension just has to explode.
but wait, there's more...
@MichaelLCrick: Rubbish for Labour to say it never comments on staffing issues. It announced appointment of Neale Coleman & others in first place
@georgeeaton: Labour source tells me that Times report that Corbyn aide Neale Coleman has resigned is correct.
except
@iainjwatson: I am told there may be attempts to persuade Neale Coleman to stay in post
https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/status/689927902620696577
1) They want our money
2) They believe that despite our grumblings we will fall into line eventually
If Theresa May declared for Leave tomorrow, what's the first question?
Do you not have any confidence in the PM to get a good deal from the EU?
or
Have you decided that the PM's negotiation is a sham and declared for leave to boost your leadership campaign?
How does it help Leave if the assumed leader is bogged down in stupid questions.
I agree with your (c) to (e) and largely with (a) - excepting that Labour, UKIP, Conservative must be allowed their own brands - and, for that reason, there needs to be sufficient flexibility in (b) not to compromise that.
I think otherwise (b) is a trap but we know that it's EFTA-EEA as a holding position if we Leave with single market-lite (with immigration controls v.high on the negotiating table) the ultimate aim for the UK, but the details will always be up for negotiation. No more vague than the substance of Cameron's deal, which everyone seems to be prematurely deciding on now.
Right, must sign-off for the evening. Goodnight.
Just like the ones claiming Star Wars VII is a "feminist" film!
xxxx
And yes to the final question. Like many others these days.
Though I am tickled at the idea of an "elegant précis" of this kind of stuff. It would consist mostly of asterisks.
Whoops
This is not a corporate strategy; this is a corporate suicide.
Would it be as effective if it was based in Pembrokeshire or Plymouth, for example? I don't know if it would be able to do its "patrols" (or whatever else it does) from those places.
Daisy Ridley's great uncle was Arnold Ridley, of Dad's Army fame.
i.e. he wasn't a total numpty
All of them creepy as f**k
Trump's going to be the GOP nominee and POTUS now and yours truly is going to the poor house
Tim Montgomerie: The Donald has almost no chance of being the Republican presidential nominee. Even if he is, he’ll lose to Hillary
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4670357.ece
#Newsnight
The day Owen Jones withdraws his support will be the tipping point.
Why do journalists always assume their mates are representative of wider public opinion.
Why
WHY
WHY ?!
I merely observe that the only people obsessing about the film and its many wonders as if it were the Eighth Wonder of the World seem to be men. And I therefore conclude based on my observations that it appears to appeal to certain groups more than others. Good luck to the makers.
I just wish that the people I have to deal with in my professional life had a wider range of interests.
http://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/rey-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens-aint-a-mary-sue/
The big squawk would over the storage of warheads so close to a population centre. In days of yore the RN moved nuclear weapons in and out of Devonport all the time (and Portsmouth, Rosyth, Chatham, and Gibraltar). However, I doubt whether the standards of those times would be acceptable today.
There have been a few there is method in jezza's madness articles (eg rafael behr today in the graun) but it seems to me they actually have no idea what they are doing and that corbyn has surrounded himself with mediocre power crazed lunatics.
http://www.panelbase.com/media/Polls.aspx
Neale Coleman (Labour's head of policy) is too bright, professional and competent for the Corbyn team to lose.
Meanwhile Dan hodges is running out of material and resorted to 3/4 of a piece being a description of American football to use as an extended analogy. I convinced he,ll start reproducing scenes f ok books and movies about doomed people, the tack on a line saying 'x represents labour'
It was like someone in Apple, Samsung or Sony wrote a paper on what the best strategy for Nokia to take wrt to smartphones would be for Apple, Samsung or Sony - and then Nokia did exactly that.
Good night all.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/590614515148001280?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/04/22/cameron-has-wanted-out-for-a-while-just-wants-to-go-out-on-a-high-tim-montgomerie/
Now think Tim...
The average pundit just pumps out whatever gets them the column fee though...
In a landmark ruling that could lead to chaos in Britain's asylum system, a court decided that four Syrian migrants should immediately be brought to the UK from “The Jungle” camp in Calais because of their right to a family life
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12111494/Syrian-migrants-in-Calais-win-green-light-to-come-to-Britain.html
Stay warm and I hope it's not too bad there.
Finally: Ed Miliband was rejected as a potential prime minister. Whether Jeremy Corbyn remains for the long haul, or proves a transitional figure who makes way for somebody else, leadership matters. Allowing a hostile media to shred a leader to pieces by writing off presentation as New Labour-type spin would be a fatal mistake.
Imo Elop was a monumental dickwad. However, Nokia was already screwed by the complacency it showed while Oli-Pekka Kallasvuo was CEO. In particular, it didn't take Android seriously. That was fatal. Apple was always going to do its thing and get its high-end market-share. Nokia needed to be the thing (ie own the platform) that was not Apple. It had a huge head start and lost to Android.
Of all the stuff I've read or heard about the demise of Nokia the thing most struck a chord with me was that businesses fail when they don't know who their competitors are. It took a very long for Nokia to notice that it was competing with Google.
(I used to work for Nokia. Still pisses me off what happened.)
"If you must get a non-Android, non-iPhone device, this is the one to get. It's slick, well designed, and extremely easy to use. Nokia has a winner".
Elop said (and I'm paraphrasing only a bit):
"I don't care if the N9 is a huge success, we will not be supporting it, or releasing any more Maemo phones".
"Here is Rystad Energy’s list of production costs for the 20 largest oil-producing countries:
Kuwait – $8.50 a barrel
Saudi Arabia – $9.90
Iraq – $10.70
United Arab Emirates – $12.30
Iran – $12.60
Russia – $17.20
Algeria – $20.40
Venezuela – $23.50
Libya – $23.80
Kazakhstan – $27.80
Mexico – $29.10
China – $29.90
Nigeria – $31.60
Colombia – $35.30
Angola – $35.40
Norway – $36.10
United States – $36.20
Canada – $41.00
Brazil – $48.80
United Kingdom – $52.50
(http://247wallst.com/energy-economy/2015/11/24/us-cost-to-produce-oil-is-36-a-barrel/#ixzz3xpgcojI6)
From this, it's hard to see a sustainable floor much below $40. However, given the glut of oil in storage currently and the need to dump it, I don't see that there is a calculable floor in the short-term.
'Don't worry - Americans will dump Trump'
'The Donald has almost no chance of being the Republican presidential nominee. Even if he is, he’ll lose to Hillary
When I asked a few American contacts what would happen if The Donald makes it to the Oval Office I was assured it would never happen — and not just because voters will eventually realise that a Trump presidency would be a car crash. One contact predicted a literal car crash. Another suggested “they” would inject Mr Trump with a drug that would induce a fatal heart attack.'
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4670357.ece
http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2011/02/09/full-text-nokia-ceo-stephen-elops-burning-platform-memo/
"We thought MeeGo would be a platform for winning high-end smartphones. However, at this rate, by the end of 2011, we might have only one MeeGo product in the market."
The fact that Apple had only one iPhone in the market seemed to pass him by.
Trump 34%
Cruz 14%
Rubio 10%
Bush 10%
Christie 6%
Kasich 6%
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/new-hampshire-trump-cruz-rubio-kasich-218037
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
As we know, the data is not always good, and in the US in particular, you have to skew the raw data for how fired up each party is.
His record in politics overall is not really that great. He had one great Presidential cycle (2008), one hopeless off-year cycle (2010), one ok Presidential cycle (2012) and one less than stellar off-cycle (2014).
Where he is truly excellent is where the data is good and plentiful and the systems a little less complex - sports.
GOP
Trump 38%
Cruz 16%
Rubio 11%
Carson 8%
Bush 6%
Huckabee 6%
Dems
Clinton 59%
Sanders 26%
General Election
Clinton 42% Rubio 47%
Cruz 46% Clinton 43%
Bush 45% Clinton 43%
Trump 45% Clinton 43%
Trump 41% Clinton 40% Bloomberg 10%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_12016.pdf
So we should have power, heat and a stove to cook on and the ability to dig ourselves out.