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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    DavidL said:

    I take it that whoever becomes the next Chairman of the Environment Agency, one of the absolute requirements is a crystal ball and that the undertaking of holidays is forbidden?

    Perhaps because I'm not a fan of David Bowie, I do find the obsessive coverage of his death way over the top. All the luvvies seem to be out in force. It's on every news channel. LBC have just done a phone-in. You would think absolutely nothing else was happening in the world.

    If you think the coverage of David Bowie going is OTT (and as it happens I agree), imagine when Paul Mccartney leaves us.
    I heard some worthy on R5 today saying that in popular music there had been 3 greats: Sinatra, Elvis and Bowie. I mean, I am a fan but seriously? OTT and down the other side doesn't really cover it.

    So which is worse then, the beatifying adulation or the bleating affront?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Wanderer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @MaxPB:

    ......

    There were 2 particularly pernicious examples this weekend: (1) a silly article by someone calling himself a moral philosopher in the Times where he argued that of course the Charlie Hebdo journalists didn't deserve to be killed but - and there's always a but - they did not follow their moral obligation not to offend. Honestly, it was utter drivel - half a page to say what could be summed up in one sentence: "I don't want to say rude things about Islam because I'm scared."

    And there's some French writer, Emmanuel Tod, who is seeking to make the distinction between criticising one's own religion and criticising the religion of others. Honestly, how ignorant can a man be of the history of Europe? Did he really think that the criticism of Catholicism was led only by Catholics and not by Protestant Europe and, indeed, atheist revolutionary France? Another quasi-Jesuitical argument to justify saying: I am shutting up because I don't want to be attacked and killed.

    Someone has to be against the tide and flow (especially when it's wrong).

    Remember: only dead fish go with the flow.

    So, Emmanuel Tod is arguing that only Catholics can critise the Catholic church? Or does that "distort" what he was trying to say :-)
    I plan to enforce the Tod rule on this site. So, only BOO-ers may critique the BOO case. And only In-ers can comment on the case for Remain.

    You have been warned.
    Does that mean that only Labour voters can comment about Corbyn and not Tories on PB from now on ?
    I was going to only allow members of Momentum can comment on Corbyn...
    Is there a pay £3 to comment on Corbyn option?
    Looking at how riled most Tories get about Corbyn, PB could make a fortune.
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    Speedy said:

    On the DNC side of 2016, Sanders maybe catching up:

    IBD/TIPP national

    Clinton 43 -8
    Sanders 39 +6
    O'Malley 2 +1

    Iowa ARG

    Sanders 47
    Clinton 44

    N.H. ARG

    Sanders 47 +4
    Clinton 44 -2

    Iowa NBC/WSJ (last one from September included Biden)

    Clinton 48 +15
    Sanders 45 +17
    O'Malley 5 +3

    N.H. NBC/WSJ (last one from September included Biden)

    Sanders 50 +8
    Clinton 46 +18
    O'Malley 1 -1

    Overtaking rather than catching up.
    Hillary Clinton can lose against anyone, even a geriatric communist.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: PLP motion next week to move Corbyn's PPS off Labour's ruling executive, the NEC (apols for acronyms)...

    Don't worry they are only TLAs
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    AndyJS said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    Kippers could push Labour out of government in Wales.
    Hope the debate is put online for those of us who missed it.

    A Tory/UKIP coalition in Wales would certainly shake things around a little after Labour rule for so long!

    With the LDs dead could it be Con/UKIP and Lab/PC/Grn with almost the same number of seats?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,164
    Off-topic:

    I don't know how common it is, but I've just had a "Britain Stronger in Europe" ad on my Facebook timeline (the ad discussed last week). It was a sponsored post.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    Kippers could push Labour out of government in Wales.
    It could happen, by virtue of UKIP being above the voting threshold for seats even if Labour increases it's share of the vote.
    Labour had some seriously bad results in Wales at the general election, especially along the north coast in seats like Wrexham, Vale of Clwyd, Clwyd South, Aberconwy. A lot of that was to do with an increase in the UKIP share.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    edited January 2016
    Cyclefree said:

    Karl Turner - new Shadow Attorney General...

    Here admitting he'd never report fellow Labour MPs committing fraud

    https://t.co/Wf0Kp8Xhsw

    Is he a barrister? Has he read the Bar's Professional Code?



    Karl Turner's profile in a local rag, points out he is a barrister, a specialist in criminal law.

    http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Turner-s-bid-history-books/story-11950325-detail/story.html
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    Kippers could push Labour out of government in Wales.
    Hope the debate is put online for those of us who missed it.

    A Tory/UKIP coalition in Wales would certainly shake things around a little after Labour rule for so long!

    With the LDs dead could it be Con/UKIP and Lab/PC/Grn with almost the same number of seats?
    Doesn't look likely:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_for_Wales_election,_2016

    LAB 34+PC 18=52 %
    CON 23+UKIP 16 =39 %
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291

    Off-topic:

    I don't know how common it is, but I've just had a "Britain Stronger in Europe" ad on my Facebook timeline (the ad discussed last week). It was a sponsored post.

    Disingenuous slogan, surely these muppets mean EU, not Europe.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    Kippers could push Labour out of government in Wales.
    Hope the debate is put online for those of us who missed it.

    A Tory/UKIP coalition in Wales would certainly shake things around a little after Labour rule for so long!

    With the LDs dead could it be Con/UKIP and Lab/PC/Grn with almost the same number of seats?
    " ITV will also be showing the debate in full on Tuesday night at 10.40pm."

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/how-can-watch-carwyn-jones-10714463
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    George Galloway "If someone proposed a role in Scotland which satisfied me and Labour I would definitely look at it" https://t.co/XtiUHGImfM

    Oh please Labour. do it!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,645
    Cyclefree said:

    @MaxPB:

    Those of us who value free speech, free thought need to fight back. It has always been thus. We need to keep making the argument, answering back, skewering ludicrous nonsense with scorn, contempt, arguments, laughter. We need to keep going and out argue and out speak and out shout those who would shut everyone up. We need to be unrelenting in our insistence on the right to think what we want and to say what we want. Because without fighting for that right we will lose it.

    Let's make people like Christopher Hitchens and Orwell our heroes. If they can do it, so can we. We may as well bloody try. I for one am not going to let Enlightenment values go down without a fight. (Pompous as that undoubtedly sounds.)

    There were 2 particularly pernicious examples this weekend: (1) a silly article by someone calling himself a moral philosopher in the Times where he argued that of course the Charlie Hebdo journalists didn't deserve to be killed but - and there's always a but - they did not follow their moral obligation not to offend. Honestly, it was utter drivel - half a page to say what could be summed up in one sentence: "I don't want to say rude things about Islam because I'm scared."

    And there's some French writer, Emmanuel Tod, who is seeking to make the distinction between criticising one's own religion and criticising the religion of others. Honestly, how ignorant can a man be of the history of Europe? Did he really think that the criticism of Catholicism was led only by Catholics and not by Protestant Europe and, indeed, atheist revolutionary France? Another quasi-Jesuitical argument to justify saying: I am shutting up because I don't want to be attacked and killed.

    Someone has to be against the tide and flow (especially when it's wrong).

    Remember: only dead fish go with the flow.

    I think Tod is mistakenly onto something. Not that he is right about criticism only coming from the group. That's just stupid. What is true is that criticism that comes from within the group should be more powerful and listened to by those in power.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    Kippers could push Labour out of government in Wales.
    Hope the debate is put online for those of us who missed it.

    A Tory/UKIP coalition in Wales would certainly shake things around a little after Labour rule for so long!

    With the LDs dead could it be Con/UKIP and Lab/PC/Grn with almost the same number of seats?
    Doesn't look likely:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_for_Wales_election,_2016

    LAB 34+PC 18=52 %
    CON 23+UKIP 16 =39 %
    Let's see if the Labour vote is, once again, over-estimated by the pollsters.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    edited January 2016
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    Kippers could push Labour out of government in Wales.
    Hope the debate is put online for those of us who missed it.

    A Tory/UKIP coalition in Wales would certainly shake things around a little after Labour rule for so long!

    With the LDs dead could it be Con/UKIP and Lab/PC/Grn with almost the same number of seats?
    Doesn't look likely:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_for_Wales_election,_2016

    LAB 34+PC 18=52 %
    CON 23+UKIP 16 =39 %
    Looking like Lab/PC then, unless there's some funny votes to seats maths - or the polls are crap.

    Shame for Wales, some fresh thinking there could I'm sure help with a lot of their problems.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,173
    MaxPB said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @MaxPB:

    Those of us who value free speech, free thought need to fight back. It has always been thus. We need to keep making the argument, answering back, skewering ludicrous nonsense with scorn, contempt, arguments, laughter. We need to keep going and out argue and out speak and out shout those who would shut everyone up. We need to be unrelenting in our insistence on the right to think what we want and to say what we want. Because without fighting for that right we will lose it.

    Let's make people like Christopher Hitchens and Orwell our heroes. If they can do it, so can we. We may as well bloody try. I for one am not going to let Enlightenment values go down without a fight. (Pompous as that undoubtedly sounds.)

    There were 2 particularly pernicious examples this weekend: (1) a silly article by someone calling himself a moral philosopher in the Times where he argued that of course the Charlie Hebdo journalists didn't deserve to be killed but - and there's always a but - they did not follow their moral obligation not to offend. Honestly, it was utter drivel - half a page to say what could be summed up in one sentence: "I don't want to say rude things about Islam because I'm scared."

    And there's some French writer, Emmanuel Tod, who is seeking to make the distinction between criticising one's own religion and criticising the religion of others. Honestly, how ignorant can a man be of the history of Europe? Did he really think that the criticism of Catholicism was led only by Catholics and not by Protestant Europe and, indeed, atheist revolutionary France? Another quasi-Jesuitical argument to justify saying: I am shutting up because I don't want to be attacked and killed.

    Someone has to be against the tide and flow (especially when it's wrong).

    Remember: only dead fish go with the flow.

    I think Tod is mistakenly onto something. Not that he is right about criticism only coming from the group. That's just stupid. What is true is that criticism that comes from within the group should be more powerful and listened to by those in power.
    I'm sorry MaxPB, but unless you are a philosopher, you can't critique philosophers. Tod's law, you see.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    I don't think Farage makes the best case for leaving the EU but he will savage Jones tonight.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    AndyJS said:

    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    Kippers could push Labour out of government in Wales.
    Hope the debate is put online for those of us who missed it.

    A Tory/UKIP coalition in Wales would certainly shake things around a little after Labour rule for so long!

    With the LDs dead could it be Con/UKIP and Lab/PC/Grn with almost the same number of seats?
    " ITV will also be showing the debate in full on Tuesday night at 10.40pm."

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/how-can-watch-carwyn-jones-10714463
    Thanks. That's the middle of the night here but it does mean it should find its way to a catchup service or YouTube tomorrow!
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PSbook: As we predicted, Karl Turner gets nod as Labour's shadow attorney general. So who to replace him in #2 role. Rebecca Long-Bailey?

    Appointing someone with so little legal experience shows how there is next to no talent left on the Labour benches willing to serve.

    The AG has a vital role to play in the life of the nation as a senior law officer - someone with less than 5 years legal work experience is not fit for purpose. Even as a shadow AG.
    "he graduated with a law degree as a mature student from the University of Hull in 2004. He became a barrister in 2005 after passing the Bar Vocational Course at Northumbria University and went on to practise criminal law for the Max Gold Partnership in Hull"

    Stellar expertise and experience. Just what we need to be able to be to understand the ins and outs of what is incredibly complex job.
    I am sure his opinion on the legality of Labour's next war will be compelling.
    Labour are already at war... oh I see what you mean :-)

    We need another sexed up dossier.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    RodCrosby said:

    Wanderer said:

    FPT: thanks @RodCrosby for the Art Tatum track. Lifted my spirits for the afternoon.

    Yes, Art Tatum is absolutely wonderful. Also Rod mentioned Ben Webster - another goodie.
    They actually recorded together once. Art was not always comfortable in a group setting:- either the others couldn't keep up, or tried to compete with him, pointlessly.

    Ben knew better, and let his languid phrases simply float over Art's dazzling embroidery, creating something very special, one of the top 100 jazz albums of all time.
    Impossible to believe that just six weeks later Art was dead, aged only 47...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZZkOgtMyI
    Thanks for that Rod. Beautiful track. I've just bought the album.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086
    I'd like to think Sanders still has a shot, if for no other reason than to make the Democratic Race more interesting.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    edited January 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
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    RIP Bowie, my favourite song of his:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4d7Wp9kKjA
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Attention PB'rs, the inevitable has happened:
    Marco Rubio is no longer the betting frontrunner with everyone.
    Ladbrokes just put Trump ahead of Rubio at 15/8 vs 2.

    Rubio was in the lead with all of them since mid-October, and it's a first for Trump to be the favourite with a betting company.

    Rubio's odds were drifting for a long time now, his best was when he briefly hit 50% on Betfair on Nov. 15th.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @MaxPB:

    ......

    There were 2 particularly pernicious examples this weekend: (1) a silly article by someone calling himself a moral philosopher in the Times where he argued that of course the Charlie Hebdo journalists didn't deserve to be killed but - and there's always a but - they did not follow their moral obligation not to offend. Honestly, it was utter drivel - half a page to say what could be summed up in one sentence: "I don't want to say rude things about Islam because I'm scared."

    And there's some French writer, Emmanuel Tod, who is seeking to make the distinction between criticising one's own religion and criticising the religion of others. Honestly, how ignorant can a man be of the history of Europe? Did he really think that the criticism of Catholicism was led only by Catholics and not by Protestant Europe and, indeed, atheist revolutionary France? Another quasi-Jesuitical argument to justify saying: I am shutting up because I don't want to be attacked and killed.

    Someone has to be against the tide and flow (especially when it's wrong).

    Remember: only dead fish go with the flow.

    So, Emmanuel Tod is arguing that only Catholics can critise the Catholic church? Or does that "distort" what he was trying to say :-)
    I plan to enforce the Tod rule on this site. So, only BOO-ers may critique the BOO case. And only In-ers can comment on the case for Remain.

    You have been warned.
    Does that mean that only Labour voters can comment about Corbyn and not Tories on PB from now on ?
    I was going to only allow members of Momentum can comment on Corbyn...
    Only the progeny of Mike Smithson should be allowed to comment on PB? :lol:
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "RBS cries 'sell everything' as deflationary crisis nears

    RBS has advised clients to brace for a “cataclysmic year” and a global deflationary crisis, warning that major stock markets could fall by a fifth and oil may plummet to $16 a barrel."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12093807/RBS-cries-sell-everything-as-deflationary-crisis-nears.html
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,545
    edited January 2016
    Floater said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PSbook: As we predicted, Karl Turner gets nod as Labour's shadow attorney general. So who to replace him in #2 role. Rebecca Long-Bailey?

    Appointing someone with so little legal experience shows how there is next to no talent left on the Labour benches willing to serve.

    The AG has a vital role to play in the life of the nation as a senior law officer - someone with less than 5 years legal work experience is not fit for purpose. Even as a shadow AG.
    "he graduated with a law degree as a mature student from the University of Hull in 2004. He became a barrister in 2005 after passing the Bar Vocational Course at Northumbria University and went on to practise criminal law for the Max Gold Partnership in Hull"

    Stellar expertise and experience. Just what we need to be able to be to understand the ins and outs of what is incredibly complex job.
    I am sure his opinion on the legality of Labour's next war will be compelling.
    Labour are already at war... oh I see what you mean :-)

    We need another sexed up dossier.
    Hilary Benn only 45 minutes away from making another brilliant speech in Parliament!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    edited January 2016
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Or Jeremy Corbyn v Nigel Farage. The latest RCP poll average has Sanders leading Trump by 2% on average, it could go either way, though I would agree Bloomberg would surely take the plunge
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    I still think Hillary will win Iowa even if she loses NH
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Bloomberg did a poll last month to test the waters, it was so bad he decided to announce he wasn't running.
    Though that with Hillary, not Sanders.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

    Attention PB'rs, the inevitable has happened:
    Marco Rubio is no longer the betting frontrunner with everyone.
    Ladbrokes just put Trump ahead of Rubio at 15/8 vs 2.

    Rubio was in the lead with all of them since mid-October, and it's a first for Trump to be the favourite with a betting company.

    Rubio's odds were drifting for a long time now, his best was when he briefly hit 50% on Betfair on Nov. 15th.

    Look for Rubio's odds to collapse out on other firms too soon enough
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    A PC supporter sums the debate up nicely:

    https://twitter.com/ElinCeredigion/status/686644508646346752
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    AndyJS said:

    "RBS cries 'sell everything' as deflationary crisis nears

    RBS has advised clients to brace for a “cataclysmic year” and a global deflationary crisis, warning that major stock markets could fall by a fifth and oil may plummet to $16 a barrel."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12093807/RBS-cries-sell-everything-as-deflationary-crisis-nears.html

    Bet they wish the euro hadn't survived for so long.
    The eurozone is the prime exporter of deflation.

    Perhaps the reason why Tories want to get rid of Corbyn is the possibility of Cameron messing up with the economy so much, Corbyn might win.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Or Jeremy Corbyn v Nigel Farage. The latest RCP poll average has Sanders leading Trump by 2% on average, it could go either way, though I would agree Bloomberg would surely take the plunge
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    I still think Hillary will win Iowa though even if she loses NH
    I did write Farage originally then changed it. I don't think he would actually stand up and say No More Brown People, which is pretty much what Trump has said.

    The worst thing about this Presidential campaign is that one of the buggers has to win, will be sworn in 12 months from now!
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    MP_SE said:

    LucyJones said:

    Nigel Farage debating Carwyn Jones at the moment. Streamed live via Breitbart London.

    Only just started watching, so missed first half hour. Not sure if the audience is packed with Kippers, but Carwyn curently being trounced by Farage whilst debating the CAP.

    I don't think Farage makes the best case for leaving the EU but he will savage Jones tonight.
    Didn't get to see that much of the debate in the end (daughter having a homework crisis). Saw most of the closing arguments which could pretty much be summed up as "Let's be a strong, independent sovereign country in charge of our own future" versus "We can't possibly stand on our own two feet". Carwyn Jones used the £3000k per household argument and accused a questioner of lying - nice touch. In the end, I only caught 5-10 minutes of the whole thing,

    I thought Farage was much stronger in the bits I saw than Carwyn Jones. (Then again, I probably would, given that I am a strong "Outer" and voted Ukip at the last election.) But if Jones's arguments are the best the Inners can come up with, maybe "Out" are in with a better chance than I thought. I thought he was weak.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,453
    The idea that Sanders has any chance at all against Hillary is frankly at least as ridiculous as Corbyn being PM. Strictly in the never going to happen category.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Bloomberg did a poll last month to test the waters, it was so bad he decided to announce he wasn't running.
    Though that with Hillary, not Sanders.
    I did see that in passing the other day.. But if it's quite clearly Sanders v Trump in March or April *someone* will surely go for it, it's the chance of a lifetime.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Or Jeremy Corbyn v Nigel Farage. The latest RCP poll average has Sanders leading Trump by 2% on average, it could go either way, though I would agree Bloomberg would surely take the plunge
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    I still think Hillary will win Iowa though even if she loses NH
    I did write Farage originally then changed it. I don't think he would actually stand up and say No More Brown People, which is pretty much what Trump has said.

    The worst thing about this Presidential campaign is that one of the buggers has to win, will be sworn in 12 months from now!
    When did Trump say that? I must have missed it. My understanding is that he said no more Muslims, which includes all races.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    edited January 2016
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    When Sanders leads Trump by 2% on average nationally in the RCP average they very well could do and don't forget Iowa voted for Bush in 2004, NH for Bush in 2000, neither are safe Democratic states. I could certainly see Sanders beating Trump in Colorado and Virginia, that would take him over 270, maybe even Ohio too
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Speedy said:



    Perhaps the reason why Tories want to get rid of Corbyn is the possibility of Cameron messing up with the economy so much, Corbyn might win.

    It would need a far bigger black swan event than that, imo. A pandemic that kills half the population maybe. Even then, why would you vote for Corbyn in a crisis? (Also, we probably wouldn't be having elections in that scenario.)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Meant to add that Farage did better partly because he addressed the audience as well as Carwyn Jones; Jones directed most of his answers directly at Farage and made some quite personalised attacks (e.g. called him a "lapsed Tory" and criticised him from taking money from the EU as an MEP). But, as I said, this is just based on the 5-10 minutes I saw.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: Jeremy Corbyn facing defeat over Trident policy shift as trade unions set to dig in to protect jobs. https://t.co/yhIfFH1Kiy
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    Pauly said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Or Jeremy Corbyn v Nigel Farage. The latest RCP poll average has Sanders leading Trump by 2% on average, it could go either way, though I would agree Bloomberg would surely take the plunge
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    I still think Hillary will win Iowa though even if she loses NH
    I did write Farage originally then changed it. I don't think he would actually stand up and say No More Brown People, which is pretty much what Trump has said.

    The worst thing about this Presidential campaign is that one of the buggers has to win, will be sworn in 12 months from now!
    When did Trump say that? I must have missed it. My understanding is that he said no more Muslims, which includes all races.
    He's said explicitly No More Muslims and to close the border with Mexico until Mexico pays for a wall along the border. He's come damn close to saying something racist but knows what he can get away with saying.

    I stand by saying he's closer to Griffin than Farage in his beliefs.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,173
    edited January 2016
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    "RBS cries 'sell everything' as deflationary crisis nears

    RBS has advised clients to brace for a “cataclysmic year” and a global deflationary crisis, warning that major stock markets could fall by a fifth and oil may plummet to $16 a barrel."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12093807/RBS-cries-sell-everything-as-deflationary-crisis-nears.html

    Bet they wish the euro hadn't survived for so long.
    The eurozone is the prime exporter of deflation.

    Perhaps the reason why Tories want to get rid of Corbyn is the possibility of Cameron messing up with the economy so much, Corbyn might win.
    Why is the eurozone the prime exporter of deflation?

    I get how it could export deflation from Germany to Spain, in that they are in the same currency bloc. But I can't see how it could export deflation to-for example- the US.

    As an aside, inflation (ex energy) is comfortably positive in the eurozone, so I'm not sure it's even true inside the currency bloc anymore.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    edited January 2016
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Yes, it could go right to the wire, though Trump has promised to slash the top tax rate back below 30% so has moved right, at least on tax. It would be a populist mess as you say, Sanders representing 'Occupy Wall Street' and the anti War crowd and Hispanics and minorities, Trump the Tea Party and anti immigration rednecks
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Maybe I'm the only one interested, but it seems there is a blog of the debate here:

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/happened-carwyn-jones-nigel-farage-10717759

    Just off to read through it.
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    I've just watched the whole of the debate between Carwyn Jones and Nigel Farage. I thought NF won judging by the reaction but his closing statement on the reasons for coming out, were quite weak. He needs to up his game on this.

    Carwyn Jones used the scaremongering tactic of loss of jobs, which I feel will be the cruz of the whole debate in the coming weeks and months. In the end, people will vote on whether they think their job is safe.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Sandpit said:

    Pauly said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Or Jeremy Corbyn v Nigel Farage. The latest RCP poll average has Sanders leading Trump by 2% on average, it could go either way, though I would agree Bloomberg would surely take the plunge
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    I still think Hillary will win Iowa though even if she loses NH
    I did write Farage originally then changed it. I don't think he would actually stand up and say No More Brown People, which is pretty much what Trump has said.

    The worst thing about this Presidential campaign is that one of the buggers has to win, will be sworn in 12 months from now!
    When did Trump say that? I must have missed it. My understanding is that he said no more Muslims, which includes all races.
    He's said explicitly No More Muslims and to close the border with Mexico until Mexico pays for a wall along the border. He's come damn close to saying something racist but knows what he can get away with saying.

    I stand by saying he's closer to Griffin than Farage in his beliefs.
    I'm pretty sure with the Trump Wall he says he'll put a big door in it for legal migration. Have you even watched the primary debates...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    When Sanders leads Trump by 2% on average nationally in the RCP average they very well could do and don't forget Iowa voted for Bush in 2004, NH for Bush in 2000, neither are safe Democratic states. I could certainly see Sanders beating Trump in Colorado and Virginia, that would take him over 270, maybe even Ohio too
    True, it's more easy for Sanders to beat Trump than Hillary, Hillary has an unfavourability rating that rivals Trump while Sanders is on the black with his favourables.

    Sanders and Carson are the most popular politicians in america right now, though their primary campaigns tell a different story.
    While Hillary and Trump are the most unpopular.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    Eh? Sanders would if anything probably have more chance of winning in the more ethnically-diverse states you mention, than in the overwhelmingly-white Iowa and New Hampshire (they're two of the few states where there's a wealthy white liberal vote who usually go Democrat but might defect if they think they're going to get clobbered by taxes too much).
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:


    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.

    Yes, it could go right to the wire, though Trump has promised to slash the top tax rate back below 30% so has moved right, at least on tax. It would be a populist mess as you say, Sanders representing 'Occupy Wall Street' and the anti War crowd, Trump the Tea Party and anti immigration rednecks
    It would end up being a three-way election also. There's no way an independent wouldn't enter a Trump/Sanders race.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    DavidL said:

    The idea that Sanders has any chance at all against Hillary is frankly at least as ridiculous as Corbyn being PM. Strictly in the never going to happen category.

    Corbyn just needed to enthuse the base to become Labour leader though, Sanders just needs to enthuse the Democratic base to become nominee
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,995
    Pauly said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pauly said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Or Jeremy Corbyn v Nigel Farage. The latest RCP poll average has Sanders leading Trump by 2% on average, it could go either way, though I would agree Bloomberg would surely take the plunge
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    I still think Hillary will win Iowa though even if she loses NH
    I did write Farage originally then changed it. I don't think he would actually stand up and say No More Brown People, which is pretty much what Trump has said.

    The worst thing about this Presidential campaign is that one of the buggers has to win, will be sworn in 12 months from now!
    When did Trump say that? I must have missed it. My understanding is that he said no more Muslims, which includes all races.
    He's said explicitly No More Muslims and to close the border with Mexico until Mexico pays for a wall along the border. He's come damn close to saying something racist but knows what he can get away with saying.

    I stand by saying he's closer to Griffin than Farage in his beliefs.
    I'm pretty sure with the Trump Wall he says he'll put a big door in it for legal migration. Have you even watched the primary debates...
    Yes he said he'd put a door in it, but only after the Mexicans had agreed to pay for it. Watched most of the debates yes, although that doesn't mean I might only have been half awake some of the time!!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    "RBS cries 'sell everything' as deflationary crisis nears

    RBS has advised clients to brace for a “cataclysmic year” and a global deflationary crisis, warning that major stock markets could fall by a fifth and oil may plummet to $16 a barrel."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12093807/RBS-cries-sell-everything-as-deflationary-crisis-nears.html

    Bet they wish the euro hadn't survived for so long.
    The eurozone is the prime exporter of deflation.

    Perhaps the reason why Tories want to get rid of Corbyn is the possibility of Cameron messing up with the economy so much, Corbyn might win.
    Why is the eurozone the prime exporter of deflation?

    I get how it could export deflation from Germany to Spain, in that they are in the same currency bloc. But I can't see how it could export deflation to-for example- the US.

    As an aside, inflation (ex energy) is comfortably positive in the eurozone, so I'm not sure it's even true inside the currency bloc anymore.
    This crisis is one of the BRICS and emerging markets, and for commodity producers in particular. The Eurozone is looking more positive than it has for years, with quite positive growth forecasts in many parts.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    When Sanders leads Trump by 2% on average nationally in the RCP average they very well could do and don't forget Iowa voted for Bush in 2004, NH for Bush in 2000, neither are safe Democratic states. I could certainly see Sanders beating Trump in Colorado and Virginia, that would take him over 270, maybe even Ohio too
    True, it's more easy for Sanders to beat Trump than Hillary, Hillary has an unfavourability rating that rivals Trump while Sanders is on the black with his favourables.

    Sanders and Carson are the most popular politicians in america right now, though their primary campaigns tell a different story.
    While Hillary and Trump are the most unpopular.
    Indeed, though Rubio polls the best in general election matchups of any candidate, GOP or Democrat, however he is following the Andy Burnham school of leadership campaigns
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    "RBS cries 'sell everything' as deflationary crisis nears

    RBS has advised clients to brace for a “cataclysmic year” and a global deflationary crisis, warning that major stock markets could fall by a fifth and oil may plummet to $16 a barrel."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12093807/RBS-cries-sell-everything-as-deflationary-crisis-nears.html

    Bet they wish the euro hadn't survived for so long.
    The eurozone is the prime exporter of deflation.

    Perhaps the reason why Tories want to get rid of Corbyn is the possibility of Cameron messing up with the economy so much, Corbyn might win.
    Why is the eurozone the prime exporter of deflation?

    I get how it could export deflation from Germany to Spain, in that they are in the same currency bloc. But I can't see how it could export deflation to-for example- the US.

    As an aside, inflation (ex energy) is comfortably positive in the eurozone, so I'm not sure it's even true inside the currency bloc anymore.
    A devalued currency.
    The euro has been devalued by so much last year it's crushing non-eurozone manufacturers, the result is what was a eurozone depression has become a global manufacturing recession.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Sandpit said:


    Yes he said he'd put a door in it, but only after the Mexicans had agreed to pay for it. Watched most of the debates yes, although that doesn't mean I might only have been half awake some of the time!!

    Do republican voters care if Mexico don't pay for it? A resounding no, all they care about is that the policy is actually implemented, and put to bed once and for all.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2016
    Have we covered this story?

    Swedish police have been accused of covering a number of sexual assaults on teenage girls at a music festival in Stockholm last summer - because a number of the suspects were underage refugees.

    Roger Ticoalu, who heads Stockholm city government's events department, said Monday that a 'large part' of those detained were from Afghanistan, many carrying temporary ID-cards issued to asylum-seekers.

    He said about 20 teenage girls filed complaints of sexual assault and that about 200 suspects were detained and ejected from the festival for sexual assault and other offenses.

    Ticoalu said organizers received reports already in 2014 of groups of young men and boys groping girls in a systematic manner. Efforts were put in place, including more security guards, to prevent a repeat in 2015 but instead the problem got worse, he said.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,718

    After Camilla Long rubbished those grieving Bowie as 10yr olds and to man the eff up, she's been totally pwned again and again

    Like this

    I do hope everyone is retweeting the fck out of this. https://t.co/1t8VJKOUeo

    Camilla Long
    Listening to Earth Song. Weeping

    I regularly read the Sunday Times and know her from her articles.

    I confess, I was surprised by her twitter feed: she seems to have a mouth like a sewer.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    After Camilla Long rubbished those grieving Bowie as 10yr olds and to man the eff up, she's been totally pwned again and again

    Like this

    I do hope everyone is retweeting the fck out of this. https://t.co/1t8VJKOUeo

    Camilla Long
    Listening to Earth Song. Weeping

    I regularly read the Sunday Times and know her from her articles.

    I confess, I was surprised by her twitter feed: she seems to have a mouth like a sewer.
    She might have been weeping with laughter at Earth Song. Hey, it's a theory.
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    Several of the officers DN spoken to say that the authority deliberately avoiding to report on the phenomena linked to offenders of foreign origin. we sometimes dare not say that it is because we think it plays Sweden Democrats in the hands. We must take on this in the police, said the police chief Peter Agren

    http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/overgreppen-pa-festivalen-i-stockholm-rapporterades-aldrig-vidare/
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Wanderer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:


    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.

    Yes, it could go right to the wire, though Trump has promised to slash the top tax rate back below 30% so has moved right, at least on tax. It would be a populist mess as you say, Sanders representing 'Occupy Wall Street' and the anti War crowd, Trump the Tea Party and anti immigration rednecks
    It would end up being a three-way election also. There's no way an independent wouldn't enter a Trump/Sanders race.
    An independent will either allow a landslide Sanders victory or a marginal Trump victory, since Sanders can beat Trump anyway with relative ease.

    A Sanders campaign will be the only one that will make the GOP establishment stick with Trump at the same time as diffusing Trump's populist wing, so an independent will not gain much from the republican side but he might get a small slice (no more than 5%), so it will depend on his appeal with democrats.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Does anyone know how safe the exchange Matchbook are? I have never encountered them before and have seen some tempting odds on their website.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2016
    MP_SE said:

    Does anyone know how safe the exchange Matchbook are? I have never encountered them before and have seen some tempting odds on their website.

    Matchbook is legit. Matthew Benham, the owner of Brenford FC, is the guy behind it.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Sidenote: can we talk about how appallingly bad Martin O'Malley's campaign is?

    How the hell do you stay stuck at just 2% in a contest with just 3 candidates?!?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Or Jeremy Corbyn v Nigel Farage. The latest RCP poll average has Sanders leading Trump by 2% on average, it could go either way, though I would agree Bloomberg would surely take the plunge
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    I still think Hillary will win Iowa though even if she loses NH
    I did write Farage originally then changed it. I don't think he would actually stand up and say No More Brown People, which is pretty much what Trump has said.

    The worst thing about this Presidential campaign is that one of the buggers has to win, will be sworn in 12 months from now!
    Maybe not but both Farage and Trump are fishing in the same voter pool and it was no coincidence UKIP voters were the only ones of any major UK party to back Trump's comments in the polls
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Tomorrow Mary Wilson - widow of Harold Wilson - will be 100 years old. Happy Birthday!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,718
    Wanderer said:

    After Camilla Long rubbished those grieving Bowie as 10yr olds and to man the eff up, she's been totally pwned again and again

    Like this

    I do hope everyone is retweeting the fck out of this. https://t.co/1t8VJKOUeo

    Camilla Long
    Listening to Earth Song. Weeping

    I regularly read the Sunday Times and know her from her articles.

    I confess, I was surprised by her twitter feed: she seems to have a mouth like a sewer.
    She might have been weeping with laughter at Earth Song. Hey, it's a theory.
    She sounds like a nightmare.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    edited January 2016
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    Surely Bloomberg or someone half serious takes the plunge if that happens? There would be enough time to run a proper fundraising effort among those who didn't want to see a complete lunatic as leader of the free world!

    The USA would be a laughing stock worldwide, imagine Jeremy Corbyn v Nick Griffin for UK PM.
    Bloomberg did a poll last month to test the waters, it was so bad he decided to announce he wasn't running.
    Though that with Hillary, not Sanders.
    Bloomberg could win over some Hillary voters if Sanders is the Democratic nominee and some moderate Republicans if Trump is the GOP nominee, he may not win but he would have the best chance of any third party candidate since Ross Perot and probably an even better one
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    MP_SE said:

    Does anyone know how safe the exchange Matchbook are? I have never encountered them before and have seen some tempting odds on their website.

    Matchbook is legit. Matthew Benham, the owner of Brenford FC, is the guy behind it.
    Cheers.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    justin124 said:

    Tomorrow Mary Wilson - widow of Harold Wilson - will be 100 years old. Happy Birthday!

    Yes a model First Wife
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Danny565 said:

    Sidenote: can we talk about how appallingly bad Martin O'Malley's campaign is?

    How the hell do you stay stuck at just 2% in a contest with just 3 candidates?!?

    I think his problems are two things:
    1. His name is O'Malley (though that didn't stop Obama)
    2. He's governor of Maryland, a nice reduced wasteland of a state, most known for it's Baltimore riots.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.
    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
    Christie wants WW3, Trump on the other hand wants money.

    Both Sanders and Trump would follow a realist foreign policy, though for different reasons, Sanders for ideological reasons and Trump because he likes money more than war.

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Speedy said:

    Wanderer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:


    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.

    Yes, it could go right to the wire, though Trump has promised to slash the top tax rate back below 30% so has moved right, at least on tax. It would be a populist mess as you say, Sanders representing 'Occupy Wall Street' and the anti War crowd, Trump the Tea Party and anti immigration rednecks
    It would end up being a three-way election also. There's no way an independent wouldn't enter a Trump/Sanders race.
    An independent will either allow a landslide Sanders victory or a marginal Trump victory, since Sanders can beat Trump anyway with relative ease.

    A Sanders campaign will be the only one that will make the GOP establishment stick with Trump at the same time as diffusing Trump's populist wing, so an independent will not gain much from the republican side but he might get a small slice (no more than 5%), so it will depend on his appeal with democrats.
    I think someone would run for sure. A Trump/Sanders election would not just run its course.
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    edited January 2016

    Have we covered this story?

    Swedish police have been accused of covering a number of sexual assaults on teenage girls at a music festival in Stockholm last summer - because a number of the suspects were underage refugees.

    Roger Ticoalu, who heads Stockholm city government's events department, said Monday that a 'large part' of those detained were from Afghanistan, many carrying temporary ID-cards issued to asylum-seekers.

    He said about 20 teenage girls filed complaints of sexual assault and that about 200 suspects were detained and ejected from the festival for sexual assault and other offenses.

    Ticoalu said organizers received reports already in 2014 of groups of young men and boys groping girls in a systematic manner. Efforts were put in place, including more security guards, to prevent a repeat in 2015 but instead the problem got worse, he said.

    There are obviously lots of these incidents going unreported by the MSM.
    Seems there is even a word for it since it is not exactly unknown in certain cultures: "taharrush". Bit like the way eskimos have 11 different words for snow, I suppose.

    Don't know if anyone has mentioned the scenes in Berlin on NYE? Quite worried by that as my (pretty, blonde, petite) 15-year-old daughter is off on a school trip to Berlin next month. I assume the linked video below is genuine. Looks like a warzone, not a Western capital city.

    https://youtu.be/lWd6iMXlXVE
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited January 2016
    And another worrying trend...I notice how it is reported as the government fault first and foremost, not the scum bag employers....

    The British government is exposing thousands of women brought to the UK by wealthy Gulf families to conditions of slavery, trafficking and abuse, according to a review of domestic worker visas.

    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/11/uk-increasing-abuse-foreign-maids-tied-visas
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
    Christie wants WW3, Trump on the other hand wants money.

    Both Sanders and Trump would follow a realist foreign policy, though for different reasons, Sanders for ideological reasons and Trump because he likes money more than war.

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
    Trump on ISIS ‘You have to take out their families’
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html
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    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.

    Yes, it could go right to the wire, though Trump has promised to slash the top tax rate back below 30% so has moved right, at least on tax. It would be a populist mess as you say, Sanders representing 'Occupy Wall Street' and the anti War crowd, Trump the Tea Party and anti immigration rednecks
    It would end up being a three-way election also. There's no way an independent wouldn't enter a Trump/Sanders race.
    An independent will either allow a landslide Sanders victory or a marginal Trump victory, since Sanders can beat Trump anyway with relative ease.

    A Sanders campaign will be the only one that will make the GOP establishment stick with Trump at the same time as diffusing Trump's populist wing, so an independent will not gain much from the republican side but he might get a small slice (no more than 5%), so it will depend on his appeal with democrats.
    I think someone would run for sure. A Trump/Sanders election would not just run its course.
    We can try and throw names:

    Jeb : single digits, Sanders victory
    Rubio : single digits, Sanders victory
    Bloomberg: in the low teens, impact mostly on Sanders so election too close to call
    Kasich : single digits, may have a small chance in Ohio but Sanders victory
    Webb: single digits, impact mostly on Sanders but still too small.

    I have trouble finding an independent candidate beating both the Sanders DNC and Trump GOP to the White House. Bloomberg is the only one I can think of that could handle the keys to Trump.

    Basically there are 3 models: Florida senate race 2010, Presidential elections of 1980 and 1992.

    The Florida 2010 one is interesting, popular governor Charlie Crist loses the primary to Rubio, then runs as an independent with democrat support but loses because the democratic candidate refused to leave the race thus splitting the vote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2010
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    HYUFD said:

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    IBD/TIPP GOP

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
    Christie wants WW3, Trump on the other hand wants money.

    Both Sanders and Trump would follow a realist foreign policy, though for different reasons, Sanders for ideological reasons and Trump because he likes money more than war.

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
    Trump on ISIS ‘You have to take out their families’
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html
    Not such a bad tactic against fanatics determined to die. There should be no safe areas for them to hide. Bit tough on Yazidi sex slaves though.
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    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
    Christie wants WW3, Trump on the other hand wants money.

    Both Sanders and Trump would follow a realist foreign policy, though for different reasons, Sanders for ideological reasons and Trump because he likes money more than war.

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
    Trump on ISIS ‘You have to take out their families’
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html
    So?
    It's more profitable for Trump to get rid of ISIS and get their oil or at least demand cash payments from neighbouring countries for the job, I can certainly imagine Trump saying "we'll get rid of ISIS for you, for a 100 billion dollar fee only, we don't take credit cards".
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

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    It's way complicated, Sanders is very left wing on the economy and somewhat to the right on social issues (especially gun control).
    Trump is also on the left (but not that left like Sanders) on the economy and is a middle of the road on social issues (except immigration).

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.

    Yes, it could go right to the wire, though Trump has promised to slash the top tax rate back below 30% so has moved right, at least on tax. It would be a populist mess as you say, Sanders representing 'Occupy Wall Street' and the anti War crowd, Trump the Tea Party and anti immigration rednecks
    It would end up being a three-way election also. There's no way an independent wouldn't enter a Trump/Sanders race.
    An independent will either allow a landslide Sanders victory or a marginal Trump victory, since Sanders can beat Trump anyway with relative ease.

    A Sanders campaign will be the only one that will make the GOP establishment stick with Trump at the same time as diffusing Trump's populist wing, so an independent will not gain much from the republican side but he might get a small slice (no more than 5%), so it will depend on his appeal with democrats.
    I think someone would run for sure. A Trump/Sanders election would not just run its course.
    We can try and throw names:

    Jeb : single digits, Sanders victory
    Rubio : single digits, Sanders victory
    Bloomberg: in the low teens, impact mostly on Sanders so election too close to call
    Kasich : single digits, may have a small chance in Ohio but Sanders victory
    Webb: single digits, impact mostly on Sanders but still too small.

    I have trouble finding an independent candidate beating both the Sanders DNC and Trump GOP to the White House. Bloomberg is the only one I can think of that could handle the keys to Trump.

    Basically there are 3 models: Florida senate race 2010, Presidential elections of 1980 and 1992.

    The Florida 2010 one is interesting, popular governor Charlie Crist loses the primary to Rubio, then runs as an independent with democrat support but loses because the democratic candidate refused to leave the race thus splitting the vote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2010
    The GOP establishment backed Rubio then, they would rather Bloomberg than Trump
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited January 2016
    Mr Hunts friends at the Murdoch Empire* seem to have scuffed their smearing of the BMA JDC:

    http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8949396?ir=UK+Comedy

    I particularly like this on:

    https://twitter.com/Mefusen_Jam/status/686200054584086528

    *and he has quite close friends there:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9328002/Coalition-at-war-over-Jeremy-Hunt-and-BSkyB.html
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    HYUFD said:

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    IBD/TIPP GOP

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
    Christie wants WW3, Trump on the other hand wants money.

    Both Sanders and Trump would follow a realist foreign policy, though for different reasons, Sanders for ideological reasons and Trump because he likes money more than war.

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
    Trump on ISIS ‘You have to take out their families’
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html
    Not such a bad tactic against fanatics determined to die. There should be no safe areas for them to hide. Bit tough on Yazidi sex slaves though.
    Yes, leave the Yazidis out
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,207
    Speedy said:

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    IBD/TIPP GOP National

    Trump 34%
    Cruz 18%
    Rubio 9%
    Carson 8%
    Christie 4%
    Bush 4%

    Democratic National

    Clinton 43%
    Sanders 39%
    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-polls/011116-789089-hillaryclinton-lead-nearly-vanishes-among-democrats.htm

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.

    It will be a populist mess, Trump will be yelling about protectionism and immigrants, Sanders will be yelling about bank nationalizations and social justice, but both agree on a pragmatist foreign policy.
    It will be like a hypothetical LBJ vs Reagan race but less belligerent.
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
    Trump on ISIS ‘You have to take out their families’
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html
    So?
    It's more profitable for Trump to get rid of ISIS and get their oil or at least demand cash payments from neighbouring countries for the job, I can certainly imagine Trump saying "we'll get rid of ISIS for you, for a 100 billion dollar fee only, we don't take credit cards".
    Yes well taking out ISIS, not just containing them, requires a full on war
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    HYUFD said:

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    IBD/TIPP GOP

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.

    .
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
    Christie wants WW3, Trump on the other hand wants money.

    Both Sanders and Trump would follow a realist foreign policy, though for different reasons, Sanders for ideological reasons and Trump because he likes money more than war.

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
    Trump on ISIS ‘You have to take out their families’
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html
    Not such a bad tactic against fanatics determined to die. There should be no safe areas for them to hide. Bit tough on Yazidi sex slaves though.
    Yes, leave the Yazidis out
    It is a bit difficult. IS does use prisoners and civilians as human shields, though they do not recognise civilians themselves, as we saw at the Bataclan.
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    IBD/TIPP GOP

    Lets say that Cruz has peaked early and Trump sneaks a win in Iowa, the GOP race would be over.
    Now if Sanders wins Iowa he also wins N.H., but that maybe just the beginning of a long and unpredictable DNC race.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH it is game over, he is Democratic nominee. In which case it could be Trump v Sanders by mid March!
    That would mean a landslide for Trump of course. A socialist has no chance of winning outside a few places like Vermont.
    Not on the latest polling it does not, NBC had Sanders beating Trump in both Iowa and NH yesterday.
    The election won't be decided in those states. I can't see the likes of Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Virginia, Colorado voting for a socialist candidate.

    .
    Sanders is pro gay marriage and abortion, other than gun control he is fairly liberal on social issues
    Trump doesn't care about gay marriage and abortion and Sanders agrees with him on guns and mostly on foreign policy, so the battle will be waged on economics (banks, taxes, and free trade ) and immigration.
    No, but he will play enough of the religious card to win over the religious right. Sanders is an isolationist abroad and a pacifist, Trump wants to start WW3 in the Middle East, so would disagree there. I agree they disagree on economics and immigration
    Christie wants WW3, Trump on the other hand wants money.

    Both Sanders and Trump would follow a realist foreign policy, though for different reasons, Sanders for ideological reasons and Trump because he likes money more than war.

    Trump wont do wars unless it's profitable for america.
    Trump on ISIS ‘You have to take out their families’
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html
    Not such a bad tactic against fanatics determined to die. There should be no safe areas for them to hide. Bit tough on Yazidi sex slaves though.
    Yes, leave the Yazidis out
    It is a bit difficult. IS does use prisoners and civilians as human shields, though they do not recognise civilians themselves, as we saw at the Bataclan.
    Indeed and Trump is hardly the most nuanced of people
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