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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279

    "My Mum says that the trick is to wash up as you go along..."

    Yes that's the sort of thing I have been told, by ladies, all my life. The thing is with a roast it just doesn't work. So many dishes and saucepans and whatnot are all required right-up to the point of service. So this wash-up as you go along malarkey is I strongly suspect the line that ladies use to fob off us blokes whilst maintaining the secrets of the kitchen.

    The deal that I always had with my partner was that whoever cooks, the other does the washing up. Suddenly cooking the Sunday roast becomes more appealing with that little domestic rule.
    Fitaloon and I have argued over the years about the merits of washing up as you go along. I always do it when I cook, and I drive him nuts in the kitchen by getting in the way and doing it for him when he cooks as he prefers to follow the HurstLlama method. :)

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    "Wasn't the test to maintain eligibility and the outsourcing to ATOS done under the last Labour govt?

    Rather like the tripartite agreement on privatising the NHS we have a tripartite consensus on testing for sickness benefits in the rUK."


    Indeed you do. You've just got to the nub of one of the many reasons why independence is such a moral imperative.

    "What is SNP (or UKIPs) policy on this?"

    You can guarantee that UKIP either adore it, or think it should be even more draconian. But I'm pleased to say the SNP's policy is somewhat at variance with the tripartite agreement.

    I am curious now, what is the SNP policy on eligibility, testing and periodic re-assessing of sickness benefit?
    No idea other than some family on my wife's side and they get called in every two years now, previously it was never, money just turns up in the bank regularly.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    malcolmg said:


    Yes it is very hard to see why only Scotland of all the countries in the world would be incapable of handling its budget. Why do we never hear about all these poor independent countries that are struggling and anxiously looking about for someone to handle their money and business affairs as it is all too hard for them.
    Scotland unique in the world according to unionists, you have to laugh.

    Most small independent countries haven't made it their policy to use another country's currency and be backstopped by another country's central bank. Those that have, in the Eurozone, are dealing with this situation right now: submitting their budgets to be signed off by Brussels before they're announce to national parliaments. It's nothing to do with Scotland's capability of budgeting, it's to do with the nature of the dynamics in a currency union.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,354

    "My Mum says that the trick is to wash up as you go along..."

    If God had meant us to wash up, I feel She wouldn't have invented the dishwasher.

    Dragging us back to politics - nominations for the County elections close on Friday, and shortly after that some kind soul will probably do an overview so we can see which parties have mounted challenges everywhere - specificlaly, whether UKIP has got a reasonable number of candidates into the starting stocks.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    SeanT said:

    Tim_B said:

    Regarding the Premier League - it's not a league at all in any meaningful sense. 3/4 of the teams in it have never won it, and are not likely to. It's a 4 or 5 team league.

    If the Old Firm make the move south, why not take the opportunity to expand to 24 teams, with either 2 divisions of 12, or 4 of 6? Instigate a salary cap to promote parity. Now you will get rivals playing more often, and also you now have divisional playoffs - more TV money for the league.

    Sure. Yes. True. Only caveat: the EPL is the most successful sporting league in the world. Watched in far more countries by many more people than that tedious trudge of steroidal crap you call gridiron.
    However it has six teams maximum that have a chance , the rest play meaningless tedious relegation avoiding games against each other all season. Good at the top but lots of mediocre games on display every week.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Tim_B said:

    Instigate a salary cap to promote parity.

    Rather socialist for you, no?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Socrates said:

    malcolmg said:


    Yes it is very hard to see why only Scotland of all the countries in the world would be incapable of handling its budget. Why do we never hear about all these poor independent countries that are struggling and anxiously looking about for someone to handle their money and business affairs as it is all too hard for them.
    Scotland unique in the world according to unionists, you have to laugh.

    Most small independent countries haven't made it their policy to use another country's currency and be backstopped by another country's central bank. Those that have, in the Eurozone, are dealing with this situation right now: submitting their budgets to be signed off by Brussels before they're announce to national parliaments. It's nothing to do with Scotland's capability of budgeting, it's to do with the nature of the dynamics in a currency union.
    Socrates said:

    malcolmg said:


    Yes it is very hard to see why only Scotland of all the countries in the world would be incapable of handling its budget. Why do we never hear about all these poor independent countries that are struggling and anxiously looking about for someone to handle their money and business affairs as it is all too hard for them.
    Scotland unique in the world according to unionists, you have to laugh.

    Most small independent countries haven't made it their policy to use another country's currency and be backstopped by another country's central bank. Those that have, in the Eurozone, are dealing with this situation right now: submitting their budgets to be signed off by Brussels before they're announce to national parliaments. It's nothing to do with Scotland's capability of budgeting, it's to do with the nature of the dynamics in a currency union.
    Lots of other countries have used other currencies at times. Unless you are really stupid it make sense to keep the pound initially , it is Scotland's currency as much as it is England's. We own a share of the UK bank rather mistakenly known as the BofE. It is perfectly sensible to start off as we are. How long did Ireland keep the pound.
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
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    To this day Peter Jackson's finest works remain 'Braindead' 'Bad Taste' and the gloriously stupendous Muppets pisstake 'Meet the Feebles'. Everything else he has put his name to is total and utter tosh. A bunch of dwarf closet homosexuals chasing around New Zealand with some ring that would give them free entry to Wellingtons number one gaybar on a Friday night....or something like that, I fell asleep after 12 hours of the first one so I kinda missed the plot.

    He should stick to movies where his mum uses the family oven to bake the face masks as needed. The man is truly a cinematic God for his family created special effects alone.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    Socrates said:

    Tim_B said:

    Instigate a salary cap to promote parity.

    Rather socialist for you, no?
    Would certainly be good to cap the amount management can take by having a cap at a fixed multiple of the workers wages.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    To this day Peter Jackson's finest works remain 'Braindead' 'Bad Taste' and the gloriously stupendous Muppets pisstake 'Meet the Feebles'. Everything else he has put his name to is total and utter tosh. A bunch of dwarf closet homosexuals chasing around New Zealand with some ring that would give them free entry to Wellingtons number one gaybar on a Friday night....or something like that, I fell asleep after 12 hours of the first one so I kinda missed the plot.

    He should stick to movies where his mum uses the family oven to bake the face masks as needed. The man is truly a cinematic God for his family created special effects alone.

    "Bad Taste" is an incredible film. It took 4 years and £10 000 to make, Peter Jackson starred and used friends for the cast. It is truly the weirdest introduction into film making ever:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Taste#section_1
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
    Andy Murray gets a temporary 6 month work visa stamped in his provisional British passport ! Wimbledon is the big one Andy, win that and the English will let Salmond take over the whole of GB! (during our extended hangovers of course). Scottish/British tennis player now officially number 2 in the world. RESPECT!
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    malcolmg said:

    Lots of other countries have used other currencies at times. Unless you are really stupid it make sense to keep the pound initially , it is Scotland's currency as much as it is England's. We own a share of the UK bank rather mistakenly known as the BofE. It is perfectly sensible to start off as we are. How long did Ireland keep the pound.

    There's actually two possibilities for using someone else's currency: using it with their permission or using it without their permission. If you use it with rUK's permission, then you will indeed have 8.5% share of the Bank of England, but obviously can be entirely outvoted by rUK, and rUK would insist on fiscal limits, so you wouldn't get more autonomy.

    If you use the pound without the UK's permission, then you will be able to spend as you wish, but you won't have the backing of the Bank of England. In that situation, I imagine most of Edinburgh's financial sector would be at risk.

    The other issue is that in order to keep using the British pound, you'd have to have the same banknotes and coinage as rUK. Otherwise, investors would merely look at it as a currency peg, which would have it's own problems.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
    I want to meet the Hollywood bigwig who watched Bad Taste and said to himself: ' I trust this bloke to make the three grandest epic movies in cinematic history with half a billion dollars of our money!' He's the equivilent talent scout of finding Messi poking a ping pong ball will his big toe at age 3 months and going: 'This kid will be the world's best ever footballer'.

    Or even the toilet cleaner at Tims school who saw a giant floater in the can one morning and said to herself: 'This kid will grow up to clogspam a perfectly reasonable political betting site'. I bet it was a real stinker as well.
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    @NickPalmer
    The Twittersphere is full of appeals/claims of nominations and of potentially winnable seats from UKIP. We'll see.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,376
    Socrates said:
    And because of these 6 men, all Asian men are rapists aren't they Socrates?
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
    Rolf Harris kept getting mentioned on Swedish news broadcasts today, but I haven't seen anything about it on the Beeb or Sky? Something that has to be kept hush hush? Just asking?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,289
    He was 83 yesterday apparently.
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
    Oh, 83rd birthday. They neglected to mention that actually. Maybe I shouldn't translate the story on Swedish news.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:
    And because of these 6 men, all Asian men are rapists aren't they Socrates?
    Don't be ridiculous. The vast majority of Asian men don't do this at all. It's a sick subculture among a very small minority.

    But your accusation that I am implying such a thing shows how distorted we have become. Back in the mid-20th Century, organised crime in the USA was particularly associated with those of Italian descent. Obviously this should be recognised when developing policies to stem the problem. It is not just wrong and absurd to call people who do this "racist", it is also harmful to addressing the issue and reducing the suffering of victims.

    PS. I also think the "Asian" description around this model of grooming is hugely misleading, as a number of North African men have been involved, while the "Asians" involved only come from certain Asian countries.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    I begrudgingly will go see overblown, calculating, Hobbit movies 2 & 3 for the special effects I guess and because of pressure from friends. I read the book in my 1st decade long before it became famous and well before the trilogy was written, and enjoyed it hugely. For me the school library was magic.
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    Rolf Harris kept getting mentioned on Swedish news broadcasts today, but I haven't seen anything about it on the Beeb or Sky? Something that has to be kept hush hush? Just asking?

    Hmm. Clearly, David you NOT know the answer to his catch-phrase 'Do you know what it is yet?'

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:


    It is a testament to the already-cowed nature of much of our press that it took Nick bloody Griffin to broach this topic in the first place - an act which got him arrested. Only years later did the Times start digging.

    It was in the Mirror this morning. But I've yet to see anything else in the national press. Possibly the largest sex ring in UK history, yet no coverage. I really hope this is down to it being a Sunday.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,376
    Socrates said:


    PS. I also think the "Asian" description around this model of grooming is hugely misleading, as a number of North African men have been involved, while the "Asians" involved only come from certain Asian countries.

    I am actually in agreement with your last statement.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,376
    SeanT said:

    Socrates said:
    And because of these 6 men, all Asian men are rapists aren't they Socrates?
    Is he saying that? No. He's highlighting a horrible nationwide crime wave.

    Let's face it, if large interlinked gangs of predatory white males across the country were DELIBERATELY targetting underage vulnerable Asian girls - for mass gang rape and vicious sexual abuse - on the BASIS that these girls are kaffirs, and "easy meat", and racially inferior, the scandal would be so enormous it wouldn't leave our front pages for months.

    It is a testament to the already-cowed nature of much of our press that it took Nick bloody Griffin to broach this topic in the first place - an act which got him arrested. Only years later did the Times start digging.

    So stop yer whining.
    I am not whining, but I do fear your concern for the welfare of these girls (which of course I am in complete agreement with) is metastasizing into a general hatred of Asian people. Maybe you can put my mind at rest?
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
    Woman walks up to Gary Glitter in a supermarket and asks:'Aren't you the singer from the '70's who did 'Two little boys?' Glitter replies, 'No, sorry, you must have mistaken me for Rolf Harris.'
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:


    PS. I also think the "Asian" description around this model of grooming is hugely misleading, as a number of North African men have been involved, while the "Asians" involved only come from certain Asian countries.

    I am actually in agreement with your last statement.
    But not the rest?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,376
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:


    PS. I also think the "Asian" description around this model of grooming is hugely misleading, as a number of North African men have been involved, while the "Asians" involved only come from certain Asian countries.

    I am actually in agreement with your last statement.
    But not the rest?
    This is a cultural thing NOT a racial thing IMHO. Certain cultures are more sexually backward than others.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Have the police ever been held in more contempt?

    I was going to post about a further problem with the gang cases being the police ignoring evidence/pleas for help from the victims and their families, and then recalled a police officer is suing a victim over a kerb, and then remembered the 'pleb' business. Oh, and there's Hillsborough, and the six months 'unkempt' investigation into an MP.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
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    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:


    PS. I also think the "Asian" description around this model of grooming is hugely misleading, as a number of North African men have been involved, while the "Asians" involved only come from certain Asian countries.

    I am actually in agreement with your last statement.
    But not the rest?
    This is a cultural thing NOT a racial thing IMHO. Certain cultures are more sexually backward than others.
    I entirely agree - have I ever said otherwise? The same is true of the Cosa Nostra. It came out of the culture of the poorly governed south of the country around Naples and Sicily.
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
    It is rather unreasonable to clump together the inhabitants of the most populous continent on the planet as if they are all the same. Japan, Pakistan,China, India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and Indonesia are all in Asia. I somewhat doubt that this vast mosaic of cultures, languages and religions could all come together and bond into a grooming gang in Peterborough? Unfortunately the Beeb and their Guardian quislings don't like narrowing it down to a subsect of muslims mostly originating from an area of Pakistan. They were gritting their politically correct teeth when reporting about that brave young schoolgirl who was shot by the Taliban for the crime of er...........learning.

    The liberal left don't want to face reality, so they tar a whole continent with the same brush, assuming we are all so stupid as to blame the Indian Hindu or Japanese Budhist. The fact is that a small minority of muslim men are conditioned to treat women, especially white women, like worthless scum. Dilemma for the equality obsessed femminist lefties of course, but they take the safe option. Sweep it all under the carpet and hope nobody notices.

    Until this sick perversion is faced head on, it may stay bubbling under the surface. But the day will come when a huge amount of pent up anger will be unleashed. Race riots, the rebirth of the Facists, hatred between races who have nothing to do with what's happening. The left are cowards, and their political correctness will lead to some seriously nasty stuff.
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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited March 2013
    I live in an average family: wife, incredibly good looking husband, two infant kids, spoilt dog, two cars, four tellys, a garden and some unusual clothes.

    Could an Ed Balls supporter tell me how I will be £900 a year worse off. Describe exactly how I'll be £75 light next month?

    Or could they just tell me that Ed Balls is lying again?
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    davidthecondavidthecon Posts: 165
    Ironically the best country to encourage immigration from now is Turkey. A young, highly educated, highly skilled workforce who maintain the law abiding true ethics of their religion without letting it interfere with their daily lives. Honest and hard working with very high English language skills. But they are not even let into the EU. So we'll settle for the Taliban supporting fanatics from Pakistan and a few hundred thousand impoverished Roma instead. Pure genius.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Belatedly police and councils are beginning to take the issue seriously, though I am not totally comfortable with this as a method:

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-council-use-teenagers-spy-1945856
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    Rolf Harris kept getting mentioned on Swedish news broadcasts today, but I haven't seen anything about it on the Beeb or Sky? Something that has to be kept hush hush? Just asking?

    Check our Guido - www.order-order.com

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:

    @sunil

    Given that I am right now in an Asian country (by choice) and have just come from an entirely delightful Muslim country (the Maldives), I am clearly not Islamophobic or Anti-Asian.

    On the other hand, I would stop ALL immigration from Pakistan tomorrow, for whatever spurious reason the government can find. This would be hard on the majority of Pakistanis who are perfectly decent (indeed more law-abiding than the average Brit) but right now too much that is unwanted comes from rural Pakistan.

    We need to assimilate what is here before we import more.

    An allegiance oath committing to supporting the freedom of religious choice, equal rights for women, and support for democratic pluralism, sworn on your holy book, would be quite a good way of reducing the religiously backwards peasants coming over, while still allowing in the Westernised Lahori businessmen. I'd also up the income threshold for supporting someone up to £25k-£30k a year. Bringing back the primary purpose rule would also be a good idea.

    I also think we should delay citizenship for those with residency for a much longer period, in order to reduce chain migration.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited March 2013
    Socrates said:

    Tim_B said:

    Instigate a salary cap to promote parity.

    Rather socialist for you, no?
    Not at all. If the team owners vote for it, so be it. If done right it works on several levels - you get a more competitive league, which means a better product on the field, it makes assembling a team more complex than merely stroking checks, will lead to more locally developed talent, and will help the team bottom line.

    If you do it badly then you end up with either the financial disaster that is the NBA, or the financial and ratings disaster that is Major League Baseball.

    SeanT made the point that the Premiership is the world's most popular sports league, and I'm sure that's true, even if it's basically a Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea league, with some other team scraping through (Blackburn Rovers and Man City) when nobody's looking.

    What is also true is the utter incompetence of the league at running its business and monetizing it to the maximum.

    The world's most popular sports league earns less than a third of what the NFL earns each year. Going from memory, (so I might be wrong) I think even the NHL earns more than the EPL.

    They seem unable to negotiate serious TV contracts for some reason, and the various 'FA's have all kinds of mind numbingly dumb rules as to what can and cannot be broadcast.

    Every NFL game is shown live on TV and all sell over 80% capacity, most sold out. If a game is less than 80% sold out 48 hours before kick off, the game is blacked out in its home market.

    Give people a reason to go the stadium- decent food, huge jumbotrons showing replays, fantasy football stats, and so on - and they will go.
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