I only seem to get the chance to post late at night, when everyone's off to bed. But, if I can repeat what I said the other night... keep an eye out for Gove and the Bill of Rights; it's the @EUref game changer.
Interesting point. Why do you think that?
He's my favourite Conservative minister. If he wasn't quite so cerebral and had more polish he might easily be my choice for next Tory PM.
Has anyone got the faintest idea what Corbyn is doing? He must be taking the piss.
I've heard from a reliable source, that several shadow cabinet ministers have threatened to resign were Benn to be sacked/demoted.
However Benn doesn't want them to resign, for a variety of reasons, because were Shadow Cabinet ministers to resign, there'd be a load of SPADs etc out of jobs, and Benn doesn't want that.
But new SPADs would be appointed. The net number of SPADs remains the same.
What is he on?
But presumably the jobs would no longer be taken by mainstream SPADS; they would go to Momentum SPADS.
That is what the membership voted for.
I thought the selectorate voted for Leader and Deputy. I must have missed the bit where they voted for SPADS.
Indeed as I recall the make up of Labour Shadow Cabinet used to be elected, I think it was Tony Blair who turned it into a perogative of the Leader to increase his own power.
They gave Corbyn his 'mandate' - and we keep being told how big it is. Surely the membership has a reasonable expectation of seeing their views reflected in the SPADs.
SPADS are appointed by the shadow cabinet member and paid for by short money. One of corbyn/Ronald McDonald's early wheezes was a suggestion they should be centrally appointed and allocated to shadow cabinet members. Don't know where that got to.
The reason why Speedy's dream has not been fulfilled and the 8 or 10 haven't been fired and why there won't be momentum SPADS is that even if he appointed everyone who supports him including first time MPs and rank incompetents (who are heavily represented amongst his support) he wouldn't get halfway to a Shadow Cabinet. And it's not as if there are loads of talented left wingers outside parliament which is why Ken keeps popping up like a dose of herpes on our media outlets. He has to find a way to get he PLP onside but can't because he is completely unsuited to the job.
To be fair I think David is a bit confused- caught between party loyalty, a slightly muddled understanding of economics and I suspect a gut feeling that the UK's EU membership can only end badly. Plus of course the Scottish dimension.
He is not I think being deliberately disingenuous unlike some other posters.
Actually, now Cameron has said what he's said, I will be watching very carefully to see if May declares for Out.
If she does, she's running, and I would very much fancy her chances.
Uggghhhh: I really don't want PM May. Can we not do better than that?
"We"? Are we admitting membership of the pb Tories now? :-)
I want a Conservative PM who will take the public's concerns on immigration seriously and prioritise British self-governance. May has many flaws but I'd pick her over Osborne and I think the Tory membership will think the same. Her betting odds at 10/1 are value IMHO.
well it's not hard to get a deal that amounts to almost nothing
Whatever. That is really not the point. It is time for Leave to stop pissing about like a Labour shadow cabinet on speed and to get the kids out of the playground. The bell has rung and its seconds (yes, that's you Farage) out.
You have to love the Eurofanatics like DavidL. One minute they are telling us that no one should be campaigning to leave yet because we don't know what deal Cameron will come back with (of course we do know - it will be bollocks). The next minute they are criticising the Leave campaign for not getting on with things.
I am not a eurofanatic. I am minded to vote out, particularly if there is a consensus that out means the EEA.
My fear is that far too many like minded individuals are more interested in moaning about Cameron or just moaning in general than making the case that is there to be made. If this blog is in any way typical Out have almost no chance. That's unfortunate because this is it for 30 years plus.
It is entirely plausable that those moaning about the EU on here will be pounding the streets in the run-up to the referendum. Locally campaigning to leave has already started to ramp up.
I only seem to get the chance to post late at night, when everyone's off to bed. But, if I can repeat what I said the other night... keep an eye out for Gove and the Bill of Rights; it's the @EUref game changer.
Interesting point. Why do you think that?
He's my favourite Conservative minister. If he wasn't quite so cerebral and had more polish he might easily be my choice for next Tory PM.
Because we are all obsessing about The Deal, while MG is working on a BoR which would give primacy to the UK Parliament and Courts. The Deal plus the Bill of Rights is our guarantee of no closer union and the Anglo Saxon Exception, and there is nothing the Euro Commission can do about it without guaranteeing Brexit.
It is entirely plausable that those moaning about the EU on here will be pounding the streets in the run-up to the referendum. Locally campaigning to leave has already started to ramp up.
If the campaigning comprises calling the potentially persuadable 'Eurofanatics', 'deliberately disingenuous', 'liars', and 'traitors', somehow I can't see it going well for the Leave side.
well it's not hard to get a deal that amounts to almost nothing
Whatever. That is really not the point. It is time for Leave to stop pissing about like a Labour shadow cabinet on speed and to get the kids out of the playground. The bell has rung and its seconds (yes, that's you Farage) out.
You have to love the Eurofanatics like DavidL. One minute they are telling us that no one should be campaigning to leave yet because we don't know what deal Cameron will come back with (of course we do know - it will be bollocks). The next minute they are criticising the Leave campaign for not getting on with things.
I am not a eurofanatic. I am minded to vote out, particularly if there is a consensus that out means the EEA.
My fear is that far too many like minded individuals are more interested in moaning about Cameron or just moaning in general than making the case that is there to be made. If this blog is in any way typical Out have almost no chance. That's unfortunate because this is it for 30 years plus.
It is entirely plausable that those moaning about the EU on here will be pounding the streets in the run-up to the referendum. Locally campaigning to leave has already started to ramp up.
Not in Scotland. But maybe that is not typical. Every vote counts the same in this though. And runnymede is right that whatever the outcome I would not want Scotland and rUK to vote differently.
@PickardJE: Interestingly Tony Benn was demoted (from industry to energy) straight after 1975 EU referendum for opposing leader. Historic echoes there.
'The white heat of technology'. What memories.
Yeah but not from 1975. It was 1963. As you don't remember the 60s you must have been there!
Back to the future. Wilsons 63 speech was about taking labour away from its outdated past. The Jezza cult want to keep labour in the past. They have now got to do the same job all over again - if they can find someone to be the next Wilson. ( they really need the next Blair, but that would be a big ask) But look at the people around Wilson... the present generation are pygmies in comparison.
It is entirely plausable that those moaning about the EU on here will be pounding the streets in the run-up to the referendum. Locally campaigning to leave has already started to ramp up.
If the campaigning comprises calling the potentially persuadable 'Eurofanatics', 'deliberately disingenuous', 'liars', and 'traitors', somehow I can't see it going well for the Leave side.
'Nuance' does not appear to be their strong suit......
'Nuance' does not appear to be their strong suit......
More to the point, they don't seem to have understood the most basic of all basic political rules, which is that you are trying to persuade the unpersuaded.
I agree that cognitive dissonance generated by socially conservative Islam exposed to the joys of liberal capitalism generates radicalist Islam.
But I also think the converse is true. Those found wanting by liberal capitalism, the poor, the alcoholics, the druggies, the divorced, the separated, those that constantly work yet who go backwards economically while some rich kid gets given the world on a plate get cognitive dissonance too. They crave the sort of inclusive mutually supportive society of dreams. Sometimes those dreams are of the Islamist Ummah, sometimes the fraternity of the communists, sometimes even the 1950's England of tbeir childhood memories.
All of these are illusory, if not delusional. That does not take away the power or promise of the dream though. It was Orwell, reflecting on his time in Catalonia, who wrote "no one goes over the top shouting for a higher standard of living, they do so for liberte, egalite and fraternite"
@rowenamason: McFadden fired as shadow Europe minister for disloyalty, criticising the leader
Why pick on him particularly?
Pat McFadden is a moderate and blabbed on the Murnaghan show warning Jeremy Corbyn against changing Labour's “job description” to becoming a party of protest rather than a party of government.
@PickardJE: Interestingly Tony Benn was demoted (from industry to energy) straight after 1975 EU referendum for opposing leader. Historic echoes there.
'The white heat of technology'. What memories.
Yeah but not from 1975. It was 1963. As you don't remember the 60s you must have been there!
Back to the future. Wilsons 63 speech was about taking labour away from its outdated past. The Jezza cult want to keep labour in the past.
Labour has never been a party that reflected the views of Corbyn and Momentum in the mainstream.
So Corbyn isn't keeping them in the past - he is creating a revolution which will destroy the Labour Party as we have ever known it.
Just when you thought no-one on Earth could have made a bigger hash of the reshuffle than he'd already done, Corbyn finds a way to surprise us with a new twist: now he looks like a playground bully, too frightened to sack Benn, so he's picked on poor Pat McFadden as a substitute victim to humiliate.
LOL at Pat McFadden being described as "one of the grown-ups". On the contrary, he's one of those toddlers who's just spent the last 9 years throwing tantrums and relentlessly whining about how things were so much better when Daddy Tony was in charge.
Just when you thought no-one on Earth could have made a bigger hash of the reshuffle than he'd already done, Corbyn finds a way to surprise us with a new twist: now he looks like a playground bully, too frightened to sack Benn, so he's picked on poor Pat McFadden as a substitute victim to humiliate.
A proper Stalinist briefing about it as well. Sources (Milne) saying he was sacked for 'disloyalty'. Pathetic.
Never thought I'd say this, but I am feeling very sorry for decent Labour folk. really sorry. You may not agree with the opposition, but at least you knew they were(past tense)(Brown and his scummites excluded) decent people.. Corbyn and his acolytes are beneath contempt.... in fact they are scum.
LOL at Pat McFadden being described as "one of the grown-ups". On the contrary, he's one of those toddlers who's just spent the last 9 years throwing tantrums and relentlessly whining about how things were so much better when Daddy Tony was in charge.
Daddy Tony won majorities of 179, 167 and 66.
Under Brown and Miliband they won majorities of, oh.
LOL at Pat McFadden being described as "one of the grown-ups". On the contrary, he's one of those toddlers who's just spent the last 9 years throwing tantrums and relentlessly whining about how things were so much better when Daddy Tony was in charge.
Yes it must be so upsetting to be forced to look back to a time when Labour actually won elections and held power.
But that doesn't matter. Purity of thought is far more important that actually being in government.
It is entirely plausable that those moaning about the EU on here will be pounding the streets in the run-up to the referendum. Locally campaigning to leave has already started to ramp up.
If the campaigning comprises calling the potentially persuadable 'Eurofanatics', 'deliberately disingenuous', 'liars', and 'traitors', somehow I can't see it going well for the Leave side.
Rather surreal and confusing debate about "gender politics" on Newsnight just then.
Heh, just watched it - took a while to get my head round it - but CN Lester's argument seemed to be that gender and sex is an individual thing, whereas Sarah Dyton's was some sort of male oppression schmuck. I thought CN lester tonked her personally.
Never thought I'd say this, but I am feeling very sorry for decent Labour folk. really sorry. You may not agree with the opposition, but at least you knew they are decent people.. Corbyn and his acolytes are beneath contempt.... in fact they are scum.
Somehow I doubt ed m and. Co were regarded as decent people by everyone . In private maybe, by some, but what does that matter when in public he's attacked as a backstabbing, incompetent, socialist weirdo.
Rather surreal and confusing debate about "gender politics" on Newsnight just then.
Heh, just watched it - took a while to get my head round it - but CN Lester's argument seemed to be that gender and sex is an individual thing, whereas Sarah Dyton's was some sort of male oppression schmuck. I thought CN lester tonked her personally.
As yes, gender. That made-up concept. Utterly meaningless and used by certain groups to push an agenda. A gender agenda.
LOL at Pat McFadden being described as "one of the grown-ups". On the contrary, he's one of those toddlers who's just spent the last 9 years throwing tantrums and relentlessly whining about how things were so much better when Daddy Tony was in charge.
Daddy Tony won majorities of 179, 167 and 66.
Under Brown and Miliband they won majorities of, oh.
Yes life was better under Daddy Tony.
Be that as it may, I still find it hard to understand how someone who literally just moans all the time without putting forward constructive positive suggestions could be described as a "grown-up".
While Labour will hopefully move back into the mainstream in the next few years, it's never going to the weirdo McFadden/Kendall Blairite sect.
It is entirely plausable that those moaning about the EU on here will be pounding the streets in the run-up to the referendum. Locally campaigning to leave has already started to ramp up.
If the campaigning comprises calling the potentially persuadable 'Eurofanatics', 'deliberately disingenuous', 'liars', and 'traitors', somehow I can't see it going well for the Leave side.
That may happen in the giant echo chamber that is Twitter but I cannot see such words being used on high streets and door steps up and down the country. The BSE campaign are equally guilty of what you are accusing Eurosceptics of - calling Euroscpetics quitters and unpatriotic (if I remember correctly).
LOL at Pat McFadden being described as "one of the grown-ups". On the contrary, he's one of those toddlers who's just spent the last 9 years throwing tantrums and relentlessly whining about how things were so much better when Daddy Tony was in charge.
Daddy Tony won majorities of 179, 167 and 66.
Under Brown and Miliband they won majorities of, oh.
Yes life was better under Daddy Tony.
Be that as it may, I still find it hard to understand how someone who literally just moans all the time without putting forward constructive positive suggestions could be described as a "grown-up".
While Labour will hopefully move back into the mainstream in the next few years, it's never going to the weirdo McFadden/Kendall Blairite sect.
But that isn't going to happen. Momentum will reshape the internal party structures to embed the hard left at all levels of the party.
May I ask the Prime Minister to reject the view that sees terrorist acts as always being a response or a reaction to what we in the west do? Does he agree that such an approach risks infantilising the terrorists and treating them like children, when the truth is that they are adults who are entirely responsible for what they do? No one forces them to kill innocent people in Paris or Beirut. Unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to understand the threat we face, let alone confront it and ultimately overcome it.
But you cannot, on the whole, have the many advantages of our society without understanding that they come as a package. The ability, the freedom, the sheer insolence of drawing Mohammed like a chamber pot or whatever is on the same spectrum as the person who dreams up a robot to do repetitive tasks in a factory previously done by humans or the idea of a card to pay for services by waving it at a machine.
I think I would have to disagree with you there. We owe our current wealth (what's left) to the agrarian and industrial revolutions, which were preceded by a great upsurge in nonconformist Protestantism, and went hand in hand with them as anyone who knows anything about the Victorians will know. Morality and respectability were not legally enforced, but very much impressed upon the individual by the threat of social stigma if the rules were transgressed. Whatever one thinks of this now, it was certainly socially and economically successful, as has been shown in other communities across the ages with very strong religious values, not just Christian but Jewish and no doubt others.
Loutish behaviour that you describe becoming prevalent should certainly not be banned in any free society, but I don't really think it can be seen as a symptom of a societal health, much less a cause of it.
McFadden's sacking is sinister if it's for those comments.
You say that as if it should come as a shock.
There is something very sinister at the heart of Labour. I have never bought the spin that Corbyn is a gentle soul. He so very clearly isn't. And nor at the people around him.
Flood warnings issued for where Blair and Kinnock are as they piss themselves laughing.
What's happened to Paddington?
Gone on holiday. I'm reminding people of the greatest flags in the world. The Cross of St George and The Union Jack are my flags of my country.
Huzzah for England, Huzzah for The UK.
Plus I'm sick and tired from people from all ends of the political spectrum doing down our country, this a fabulous country, and one I'm greatly optimistic about.
Flood warnings issued for where Blair and Kinnock are as they piss themselves laughing.
What's happened to Paddington?
Gone on holiday. I'm reminding people of the greatest flags in the world. The Cross of St George and The Union Jack are my flags of my country.
Huzzah for England, Huzzah for The UK.
Plus I'm sick and tired from people from all ends of the political spectrum doing down our country, this a fabulous country, and one I'm greatly optimistic about.
Hear hear
I'm less optimistic, but I appreciate seeing done people who are. Makes a change.
McFadden's sacking is sinister if it's for those comments.
Whatever the truth of the matter that's now the story - and it fits the 'Terrorist Sympathiser' meme - so I expect Tory MPs will bring it up at PMQs.......
Tory Sleeper Labour stalwart Milne's Media operation is without equal.....
A leading figure behind the doctors’ strike likened Conservative policies to Nazi propaganda, and is among several supporters of Labour and Jeremy Corbyn on the British Medical Association’s council, it can be disclosed.
Dr Kailash Chand said that Joseph Goebbels, Adolf Hitler’s propaganda chief, would be “proud” of Tory policies on education, health and the economy under the Coalition.
He separately nicknamed Simon Burns, the then health minister, “Goebbels”. Dr Chand is one of two members of the BMA’s council who declare that they are Labour members. But several others are supporters of Mr Corbyn and the Labour Party, a Telegraph investigation reveals.
One senior BMA member, who backed Mr Corbyn’s leadership, wrote in a posting on the website of the doctors’ union that success in their campaign against government proposals to change junior doctors’ contracts would signal “the first real crack in the entire edifice of austerity in the UK”.
Labour Left is the "think" tank founded by Eoin Clarke.
I'd say Dr Chand needs to explain why he, as a senior BMA bod, is associating with a man who ran a multi-year campaign of lies about various people and bodies in Health and had to apologise in public.
What all that about the Doctor's strike being about patients not politics?
Or, as the BMA put it:
"A BMA spokesman said: “The BMA is an apolitical organisation. The call for industrial action was made by junior doctors themselves, with 98 per cent voting in favour of taking action, demonstrating the strength of feeling amongst the profession against government proposals that are unsafe and unfair.” "
If the BMA is a non-political organisation they need to do something to salvage their reputation. And get some slightly sensible people to coach their Juniors.
Flood warnings issued for where Blair and Kinnock are as they piss themselves laughing.
What's happened to Paddington?
Gone on holiday. I'm reminding people of the greatest flags in the world. The Cross of St George and The Union Jack are my flags of my country.
Huzzah for England, Huzzah for The UK.
Plus I'm sick and tired from people from all ends of the political spectrum doing down our country, this a fabulous country, and one I'm greatly optimistic about.
Hear hear
I'm less optimistic, but I appreciate seeing done people who are. Makes a change.
I was rereading an article by Douglas Carswell telling Kippers to be optimistic about this country, and by George he was right.
Flood warnings issued for where Blair and Kinnock are as they piss themselves laughing.
What's happened to Paddington?
His asylum application was turned down
How unlucky, a brown coloured illegal immigrant who covers his head, and ruined the life of an English family usually gets asylum in this country according to some.
Flood warnings issued for where Blair and Kinnock are as they piss themselves laughing.
What's happened to Paddington?
Gone on holiday. I'm reminding people of the greatest flags in the world. The Cross of St George and The Union Jack are my flags of my country.
Huzzah for England, Huzzah for The UK.
Plus I'm sick and tired from people from all ends of the political spectrum doing down our country, this a fabulous country, and one I'm greatly optimistic about.
Hear hear
I'm less optimistic, but I appreciate seeing done people who are. Makes a change.
I was rereading an article by Douglas Carswell telling Kippers to be optimistic about this country, and by George he was right.
I found hannans book oddly pessimistic, he should follow Carswell attitude. It felt uplifting and positive, then descended into darkness about how we hav no hope of dealing with a less than optimal situation.
May I ask the Prime Minister to reject the view that sees terrorist acts as always being a response or a reaction to what we in the west do? Does he agree that such an approach risks infantilising the terrorists and treating them like children, when the truth is that they are adults who are entirely responsible for what they do? No one forces them to kill innocent people in Paris or Beirut. Unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to understand the threat we face, let alone confront it and ultimately overcome it.
Who could object to that? A Terrorist Sympathiser, possibly, but who else?
A yawning bear trap, but oh well....
I strongly object to it, on the basis that it's making the issue into a totally disingenuous simplistic binary choice between a - Terrorist responsible b - Terrorist not responsible
I would be totally against someone who said 'let's not attack the terrorists because if we do they will get angry and retaliate'. But I would be wholly for the view that ISIS have required a number of things to succeed, namely weakened or absent power structures ('West' largely responsible), unhindered recruitment ('West' partly responsible), porous borders ('West' partly responsible), huge funding ('West' partly responsible) etc. It is entirely reasonable for 'the West' to look coldly at these issues and try (hollow laugh) to learn from the mistakes of the past, without removing the moral agency of the individual terrorist.
If I were Corbyn I wouldn't want someone unable to make this simple distinction in my front bench team.
FFS - if you put this in a script, it would never reach the stage or screen because producers would tell you no-one would believe anything so pathetic.
@rowenamason: Maria Eagle is the new shadow culture secretary
And she is happy with that? Sheeeeesh.
Silly woman, happy to be trampled on. As suggested the 'rebels are not up for it. Who is the shadow First Secretary of State then? Thornberry? She is anti Trident so we can see the direction of travel for Labour. Plus as she worked for Mansfield QC she ticks lots of lefty boxes.
May I ask the Prime Minister to reject the view that sees terrorist acts as always being a response or a reaction to what we in the west do? Does he agree that such an approach risks infantilising the terrorists and treating them like children, when the truth is that they are adults who are entirely responsible for what they do? No one forces them to kill innocent people in Paris or Beirut. Unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to understand the threat we face, let alone confront it and ultimately overcome it.
Who could object to that? A Terrorist Sympathiser, possibly, but who else?
A yawning bear trap, but oh well....
I strongly object to it, on the basis that it's making the issue into a totally disingenuous simplistic binary choice between a - Terrorist responsible b - Terrorist not responsible
I would be totally against someone who said 'let's not attack the terrorists because if we do they will get angry and retaliate'. But I would be wholly for the view that ISIS have required a number of things to succeed, namely weakened or absent power structures ('West' largely responsible), unhindered recruitment ('West' partly responsible), porous borders ('West' partly responsible), huge funding ('West' partly responsible) etc. It is entirely reasonable for 'the West' to look coldly at these issues and try (hollow laugh) to learn from the mistakes of the past, without removing the moral agency of the individual terrorist.
If I were Corbyn I wouldn't want someone unable to make this simple distinction in my front bench team.
The fact that you can't see what McFadden was saying says a hell of a lot about your mindset.
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He's my favourite Conservative minister. If he wasn't quite so cerebral and had more polish he might easily be my choice for next Tory PM.
The reason why Speedy's dream has not been fulfilled and the 8 or 10 haven't been fired and why there won't be momentum SPADS is that even if he appointed everyone who supports him including first time MPs and rank incompetents (who are heavily represented amongst his support) he wouldn't get halfway to a Shadow Cabinet. And it's not as if there are loads of talented left wingers outside parliament which is why Ken keeps popping up like a dose of herpes on our media outlets. He has to find a way to get he PLP onside but can't because he is completely unsuited to the job.
I want a Conservative PM who will take the public's concerns on immigration seriously and prioritise British self-governance. May has many flaws but I'd pick her over Osborne and I think the Tory membership will think the same. Her betting odds at 10/1 are value IMHO.
Who would be your choice?
They have now got to do the same job all over again - if they can find someone to be the next Wilson. ( they really need the next Blair, but that would be a big ask) But look at the people around Wilson... the present generation are pygmies in comparison.
@paulwaugh: Irony-is-dead alert. @patmcfaddenmp punished for warning Corbyn against 'punishment' purge. Here's what got him sack https://t.co/YUdHQYXwkf
I agree that cognitive dissonance generated by socially conservative Islam exposed to the joys of liberal capitalism generates radicalist Islam.
But I also think the converse is true. Those found wanting by liberal capitalism, the poor, the alcoholics, the druggies, the divorced, the separated, those that constantly work yet who go backwards economically while some rich kid gets given the world on a plate get cognitive dissonance too. They crave the sort of inclusive mutually supportive society of dreams. Sometimes those dreams are of the Islamist Ummah, sometimes the fraternity of the communists, sometimes even the 1950's England of tbeir childhood memories.
All of these are illusory, if not delusional. That does not take away the power or promise of the dream though. It was Orwell, reflecting on his time in Catalonia, who wrote "no one goes over the top shouting for a higher standard of living, they do so for liberte, egalite and fraternite"
So Corbyn isn't keeping them in the past - he is creating a revolution which will destroy the Labour Party as we have ever known it.
Under Brown and Miliband they won majorities of, oh.
Yes life was better under Daddy Tony.
But that doesn't matter. Purity of thought is far more important that actually being in government.
Flood warnings issued for where Blair and Kinnock are as they piss themselves laughing.
Poor little lamb.
Corbyn spokesman tells us we'll have more names soon.
Blimey, There'll be heads on stakes outside Labours HQ soon.
Could Jezza be a vampire, seeing he works best at night?
Not really, but for a moment you believed it, that's the world we live in.
While Labour will hopefully move back into the mainstream in the next few years, it's never going to the weirdo McFadden/Kendall Blairite sect.
Hard Left thinking will never become mainstream.
Wes is my local MP
May I ask the Prime Minister to reject the view that sees terrorist acts as always being a response or a reaction to what we in the west do? Does he agree that such an approach risks infantilising the terrorists and treating them like children, when the truth is that they are adults who are entirely responsible for what they do? No one forces them to kill innocent people in Paris or Beirut. Unless we are clear about that, we will fail even to understand the threat we face, let alone confront it and ultimately overcome it.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmhansrd/cm151117/debtext/151117-0001.htm#15111751000636
Who could object to that? A Terrorist Sympathiser, possibly, but who else?
Corbyn looks like a weasel, acts like a weasel....is a weasel.
You can never be a PB Tory again.
Loutish behaviour that you describe becoming prevalent should certainly not be banned in any free society, but I don't really think it can be seen as a symptom of a societal health, much less a cause of it.
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There is something very sinister at the heart of Labour. I have never bought the spin that Corbyn is a gentle soul. He so very clearly isn't. And nor at the people around him.
Huzzah for England, Huzzah for The UK.
Plus I'm sick and tired from people from all ends of the political spectrum doing down our country, this a fabulous country, and one I'm greatly optimistic about.
I'm less optimistic, but I appreciate seeing done people who are. Makes a change.
Tory Sleeper Labour stalwart Milne's Media operation is without equal.....
Emma Lowell Buck promoted to shadow min for devolution and local govt
That's the chap who has written about 30 articles for Tribune Magazine?
http://www.tribunemagazine.org/author/kailash-chand/
The chap who has written for Class Online:
http://classonline.org.uk/about/authors/dr-kailash-chand
The chap who has such superb judgement about health that he appeared in a labour Left fringe meeting at Labour Conference 2014:
http://www.gponline.com/labour-save-nhs-warns-dr-kailash-chand/article/1313687
Labour Left is the "think" tank founded by Eoin Clarke.
I'd say Dr Chand needs to explain why he, as a senior BMA bod, is associating with a man who ran a multi-year campaign of lies about various people and bodies in Health and had to apologise in public.
Virgin Care:
http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2012/12/an-apology-to-virgin-care-for.html
Anna Soubry:
http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2012/11/corrections-concerning-ms-anna-soubry-mp.html
I love that the good Dr puts his OBE on his Twitter handle:
https://twitter.com/KailashChandOBE/status/404549916640698369
What all that about the Doctor's strike being about patients not politics?
Or, as the BMA put it:
"A BMA spokesman said: “The BMA is an apolitical organisation. The call for industrial action was made by junior doctors themselves, with 98 per cent voting in favour of taking action, demonstrating the strength of feeling amongst the profession against government proposals that are unsafe and unfair.” "
If the BMA is a non-political organisation they need to do something to salvage their reputation. And get some slightly sensible people to coach their Juniors.
BOOM!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3385702/Centurion-Temba-Bavuma-laugh-Ben-Stokes-seen-telling-South-Africa-batsman-absolutely-s.html
Is the cheque in the post?
Finally an amusing move from Al Jezza.
@stephenkb: 33 hours and the top four are still all white dudes.
I strongly object to it, on the basis that it's making the issue into a totally disingenuous simplistic binary choice between
a - Terrorist responsible
b - Terrorist not responsible
I would be totally against someone who said 'let's not attack the terrorists because if we do they will get angry and retaliate'. But I would be wholly for the view that ISIS have required a number of things to succeed, namely weakened or absent power structures ('West' largely responsible), unhindered recruitment ('West' partly responsible), porous borders ('West' partly responsible), huge funding ('West' partly responsible) etc. It is entirely reasonable for 'the West' to look coldly at these issues and try (hollow laugh) to learn from the mistakes of the past, without removing the moral agency of the individual terrorist.
If I were Corbyn I wouldn't want someone unable to make this simple distinction in my front bench team.
FFS - if you put this in a script, it would never reach the stage or screen because producers would tell you no-one would believe anything so pathetic.
Who is the shadow First Secretary of State then? Thornberry?
She is anti Trident so we can see the direction of travel for Labour. Plus as she worked for Mansfield QC she ticks lots of lefty boxes.
The only person being disingenuous is you.