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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Spurs are going to get another nasty pasting when they come to Florence and face the mighty Viola. Last year was quite delightful.

    Scott_P said:

    @tomfoot1: Remember that 2015/16 season when Arsenal won the league, Chelsea got relegated and Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party?

    I'd go for Spurs since we're plainly in the end times.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 17

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Tyson's probably still hacked off with Osborne for putting the boot into his Buy to Let empire.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,925
    edited 2015 17
    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    Fantastic news, a good day all round for the government I'm sure you'll agree :smiley:

    Oh...
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Your contempt for money doesn't extend to your own sybaritic rentier life-style, naturally.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2015 17
    As a BTL property tycoon who lives in Italy - and wouldn't have a Tory as a friend because we're all vile, he inhabits a fairly narrow demographic.

    Oh and he's written previously of his weird desire to see me in a lesbian threesome with Anne Coulter and Katie Hopkins - or was it Melanie Phillips?

    I used to ignore his warped nastiness. I can't see a reason to restrain myself.

    Is Tyson a spoof...gotta be..

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    IMF chief Christine Lagarde is to stand trial in France for alleged negligence over a €400m (£291m; $434m) payment to a businessman in 2008.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35121022
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 17

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Your contempt for money doesn't extend to your own sybaritic rentier life-style, naturally.
    Indeed. Tyson whining as he wafts around Florence and other delightful perches for his expensively shod Lefty feet.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    Preston shopping centre bomb alert: Police say device was planted deliberately to endanger life
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    In unrelated news, the Banner Saga will come to consoles on 12 January next year. Rather delayed (was meant to be early 2015), but looking forward to it (it's a Viking-y RPG). Only digital, so it may well be my first digital purchase [I've had free DLC before, but never paid for it].

    Hope we get XCOM 2 as well. Be both surprised and disappointed if not.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    Broken sleazy Tories on the slide (Comres)?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @EdConwaySky: Amazing but true: every one of the last three IMF managing directors (Lagarde, DSK, Rato) have had to stand trial in criminal cases
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    edited 2015 17
    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Once again, I say unto you that our Tory Rulers are my kind of skum - fearless and inventive.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Fracking is great news, well done the govt as is cuts to renewables. The sooner the tv licence fee is abolished the better.

    I'm by no means pro tory but credit where its due
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Sounds like they are doing a great job.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JeremyClarkson: Jose. Come to Amazon.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :unamused:

    Preston shopping centre bomb alert: Police say device was planted deliberately to endanger life

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    edited 2015 17
    Mr Tyson,

    This feels like a 'Dear Marge" letter, but I have solar panels (at the full rate) thanks to that nice Mr Milliband. A ludicrously good deal pursued by a feeble minded ideologue. But fair play to him, he's extraordinarily generous with other people's money.

    I'm not a greeny (more a greedy) but I can be bribed. Yet, I feel unclean somehow. Should I paint them over?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
    The US shale gas industry resulted in increased use of coal in UK power stations as a result of a slump in US coal demand reducing the price of coal. A short term effect of course, as the coal plants are all on their way out (Longannet, Eggborough and Ferrybridge next spring).

    UK shale gas development is not anticipated to result in a fall in UK gas prices, just result in a switch from imported to domestic supply. If the UK was so fussed about domestic energy supply, we would still have coal mines.

    I have heard it said that the cheapest source of shale gas in the UK will be LNG imported from the US.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @tyson

    'Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.'


    Oh dear, an end to the never ending subsidy for renewables,fixing the upper house so an un-elected,unaccountable bunch of reject politicians can't decide on major constitutional reforms,a possible revision to the BBC poll tax & allowing fracking to reduce the plebs energy bills.

    And our Champagne buy-to-let socialist is unhappy, who is the real scum ?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418
    CD13 said:

    Mr Tyson,

    This feels like a 'Dear Marge" letter, but I have solar panels (at the full rate) thanks to that nice Mr Milliband. A ludicrously good deal pursued by a feeble minded ideologue. But fair play to him, he's extraordinarily generous with other people's money.

    I'm not a greeny (more a greedy) but I can be bribed. Yet, I feel unclean somehow. Should I paint them over?

    If you don't mind me asking, what is the payback period on the investment?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    The Chosen One is apparently getting £40 million payout for being sacked....
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money'

    Been on the sauce again?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,960

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
    The US shale gas industry resulted in increased use of coal in UK power stations as a result of a slump in US coal demand reducing the price of coal. A short term effect of course, as the coal plants are all on their way out (Longannet, Eggborough and Ferrybridge next spring).

    UK shale gas development is not anticipated to result in a fall in UK gas prices, just result in a switch from imported to domestic supply. If the UK was so fussed about domestic energy supply, we would still have coal mines.

    I have heard it said that the cheapest source of shale gas in the UK will be LNG imported from the US.
    Thanks for the facts and reasoned argument.
    Interesting to see the arguments put forward previously viewing the same decisions from diametrically opposed directions, shame about the name calling though.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 17
    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
    Have you thought about buying your own drilling rig? It would be the perfect investment for a parasitical rentier, now that Osborne's put the brakes on any future expansion of your Buy to Let empire.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    Scumbags like this, for example?

    http://www.gmb.org.uk/newsroom/baroness-worthing-on-fracking

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    He's too busy putting up Syrian refugees that he thinks the UK ought to be housing.

    Oh.
    watford30 said:

    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
    Have you thought about buying your own drilling rig? It would be the perfect investment for a parasitical rentier, now that Osborne's put the brakes on any future expansion of your Buy to Let empire.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
    You should agitate to get those Tuscan marble quarries shut down. You're our man on the spot.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.

    Compared to other used, cost-effective alternatives to it like coal then yes it is very clean and very environmentally friendly.

    But keep on with your crocodile tears if you want.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited 2015 17

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Somebody got out of the bed the wrong side today...
    Scum - not in your eyes people who spit on those they disagree with, but people who want to permit a perfectly safe, perfectly legitimate, cost-effective, environmentally-friendly, lower-carbon method of energy generation that has led to affordable energy worldwide thanks to the boom in its generation in America.

    Nice to see your priorities.
    The US shale gas industry resulted in increased use of coal in UK power stations as a result of a slump in US coal demand reducing the price of coal. A short term effect of course, as the coal plants are all on their way out (Longannet, Eggborough and Ferrybridge next spring).

    UK shale gas development is not anticipated to result in a fall in UK gas prices, just result in a switch from imported to domestic supply. If the UK was so fussed about domestic energy supply, we would still have coal mines.

    I have heard it said that the cheapest source of shale gas in the UK will be LNG imported from the US.
    Not sure about the value of your last statement/argument. Are you suggesting that, as the cheapest sources of petrol are in KSA, Kuwait and Iraq, that the UK should never have developed the North Sea fields?

    Surely, the question is whether the field (or coal mines) are economic to exploit, rather than energy security. I thought the coal mines closed because of economics.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,960

    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    Scumbags like this, for example?

    http://www.gmb.org.uk/newsroom/baroness-worthing-on-fracking

    GMB Union has its origins in the Gas Workers and General Union, so not really surprising that they are in favour of fracking.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    Scumbags like this, for example?

    http://www.gmb.org.uk/newsroom/baroness-worthing-on-fracking

    GMB Union has its origins in the Gas Workers and General Union, so not really surprising that they are in favour of fracking.
    And what about Baroness Worthington?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryony_Worthington,_Baroness_Worthington
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    Mr Rentool,

    "If you don't mind me asking, what is the payback period on the investment?"

    I've had them four and a half years and I anticipate another eighteen months will see the purchase price repaid.

    No maintenance costs so far.

    Pity about the last few weeks - hardly a sight of the sun in the NW of England.

    A very good Scouser company installed them so I'm expecting a knock on the door from the original owners soon, asking for them back.

    PS That was a joke.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    It amuses me greatly how much it irritates right wingers that a lefty could be self made and still be a lefty. As said, Tories seem to be impressed by money. Makes them petty, jealous, selfish, vindictive and unpleasant.

    I made my money on developing property- but by my early 40's I had lost interest in accumulating wealth. I could have made more simply by leveraging. I rent a couple out now, but largely to keep my options open for the future about where to live.
    watford30 said:

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Your contempt for money doesn't extend to your own sybaritic rentier life-style, naturally.
    Indeed. Tyson whining as he wafts around Florence and other delightful perches for his expensively shod Lefty feet.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,960
    Serious question.
    What have Tuscan quarries, Buy to Let and Syrian refugees have to do with fracking?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Song, is it something to do with Battlestar Galactica slang?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,276
    Can we please CALM DOWN.

    We have been lamenting the lack of lefties on here and now that we have a bona fide one we are all giving him/her a hard time.

    @tyson - go for it.

    (wrt fracking plenty of Cons MPs are instinctively against for NIMBY reasons but realise there is no substantial reason to oppose a cleaner source of energy with a reasonable footprint)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited 2015 17
    Frankly anyone who can't see that there is a perfectly respectable environmental argument in favour of fracking is out with the fairies. As the Shadow Energy Minister puts it:

    "We have to be realistic," she told BBC News. "We are going to be using gas for a long time because of the huge role it plays for heating homes and for industry.

    "The important thing is to minimize the carbon emissions from gas. That means if we can get our own fracked gas, it's better to use that than importing gas that's been compressed at great energy cost somewhere else."


    Of course there are legitimate concerns as well, but it takes a special kind of lefty vileness to personalise this.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    edited 2015 17
    Not sure what's happened to Wiki - someone seems to have deliberately changed a whole mass of polling numbers so they are now all wrong and much better for Lab than the true numbers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Mr. Song, is it something to do with Battlestar Galactica slang?

    Mr Dancer, could Tyson in fact be a Cylon?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2015 17
    No, it's your overweening hypocrisy and self righteous unprovoked nastiness. Your last revolting comment about me was a game changer. No more overlooking your bigoted views or indulging you as quaintly odd.
    tyson said:

    It amuses me greatly how much it irritates right wingers that a lefty could be self made and still be a lefty. As said, Tories seem to be impressed by money. Makes them petty, jealous, selfish, vindictive and unpleasant.

    I made my money on developing property- but by my early 40's I had lost interest in accumulating wealth. I could have made more simply by leveraging. I rent a couple out now, but largely to keep my options open for the future about where to live.


    watford30 said:

    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are lowlife scum- people impressed by money, making money, and protecting people with money.

    Your contempt for money doesn't extend to your own sybaritic rentier life-style, naturally.
    Indeed. Tyson whining as he wafts around Florence and other delightful perches for his expensively shod Lefty feet.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Yep..Tyson is definitely a spoof...No one else could be that dumb..except MG
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744
    edited 2015 17
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited 2015 17
    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    MikeL said:

    Not sure what's happened to Wiki - someone seems to have deliberately changed a whole mass of polling numbers so they are now all wrong and much better for Lab than the true numbers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    Take the IPSOS mori one from December,

    That table says Labour lead of 2.

    The IPSOS-MORI website (https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3672/Few-believe-air-strikes-in-Syria-will-make-Britain-safer.aspx)

    says Con lead of 7.

    Either someone is confuzzled or someone is being naughty.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    What I would say...The Labour brand, despite Blair, despite Brown, despite Miliband, despite Corbyn, somehow manages to stagger on. Clegg killed the Lib Dem brand, the Tories brand was (and still is to some extent hence all the "silent" Tory votes) toxic, but Labour brand seems to be able to stagger on despite the terrible leaders.

    When did the 'Labour brand' last win? 1974? New Labour was effectively an admission that Labour (without the new) was toxic.

    The Labour brand is a byword for fiscal incontinence and all-round buffoonery. Comrade Corbyn is the embodiment of this.

    For what it's worth - the Tories were polling 28-30 this time last year with Comres, ICM, Survation etc.

    The Tories are miles ahead now.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,753

    Frankly anyone who can't see that there is a perfectly respectable environmental argument in favour of fracking is out with the fairies. As the Shadow Energy Minister puts it:

    "We have to be realistic," she told BBC News. "We are going to be using gas for a long time because of the huge role it plays for heating homes and for industry.

    "The important thing is to minimize the carbon emissions from gas. That means if we can get our own fracked gas, it's better to use that than importing gas that's been compressed at great energy cost somewhere else."


    Of course there are legitimate concerns as well, but it takes a special kind of lefty vileness to personalise this.

    Hmm I'm backing her presently for next Labour leader.

    Such common sense surely can't help her chances in Corbyn's Labour party though :/ ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited 2015 17

    Frankly anyone who can't see that there is a perfectly respectable environmental argument in favour of fracking is out with the fairies. As the Shadow Energy Minister puts it:

    "We have to be realistic," she told BBC News. "We are going to be using gas for a long time because of the huge role it plays for heating homes and for industry.

    "The important thing is to minimize the carbon emissions from gas. That means if we can get our own fracked gas, it's better to use that than importing gas that's been compressed at great energy cost somewhere else."


    Of course there are legitimate concerns as well, but it takes a special kind of lefty vileness to personalise this.

    I'm genuinely interested, Richard - What are the legitimate concerns in your eyes?
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Looking at it further, someone has filled them in with the unweighted numbers, more often than not. So possibly both.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,753
    edited 2015 17

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    The USA doesn't care how much money you have or make - or even how you make it (See Trump chapter bankruptcies), but you do NOT cheat the rules - or you're looking at a long time in prison. They take that stuff very, very seriously.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Can I just remind PBers that 'three-quidders' are NOT members of the Labour Party and have no voting rights in branch or CLP officer elections, council election candidates, etc. Only full-on entryists can have any direct influence over who leads or represents the party at local level. In some places, they are having such an effect.

    So how come they keep sending me emails then?!

    Just had one purporting to be from Jeremy (actually from theteam@labour.org.uk).
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Pong said:

    I'm genuinely interested, Richard - What are the legitimate concerns, in your eyes?

    Mainly the lorry movements and the fact that you need lots of ugly drill sites - that might be OK in North Dakota, but not in heavily-populated Britain or in good-quality countryside.

    There's also the concern about water contamination, but I think that has been exaggerated and can be managed with good geological data.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641

    Looking at it further, someone has filled them in with the unweighted numbers, more often than not. So possibly both.

    Don't look at me - I haven't touched the Wiki table since the election! After the ELBOW debacle...
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    WIKI should flag up when numbers,facts or text has been changed and show what they were changed from.That facility should not be editable...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    chestnut said:

    What I would say...The Labour brand, despite Blair, despite Brown, despite Miliband, despite Corbyn, somehow manages to stagger on. Clegg killed the Lib Dem brand, the Tories brand was (and still is to some extent hence all the "silent" Tory votes) toxic, but Labour brand seems to be able to stagger on despite the terrible leaders.

    When did the 'Labour brand' last win? 1974? New Labour was effectively an admission that Labour (without the new) was toxic.

    The Labour brand is a byword for fiscal incontinence and all-round buffoonery. Comrade Corbyn is the embodiment of this.

    For what it's worth - the Tories were polling 28-30 this time last year with Comres, ICM, Survation etc.

    The Tories are miles ahead now.

    ELBOW week-ending 14th Dec................. 2014 :)

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/544101205103116288
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744

    WIKI should flag up when numbers,facts or text has been changed and show what they were changed from.That facility should not be editable...

    1) They do

    2) Exactly how would people be able to edit wiki then?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    If anyone on here is sorting out Wiki please note that the last ComRes/Mail poll (ie November) was never put on the Wiki list.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    chestnut said:

    What I would say...The Labour brand, despite Blair, despite Brown, despite Miliband, despite Corbyn, somehow manages to stagger on. Clegg killed the Lib Dem brand, the Tories brand was (and still is to some extent hence all the "silent" Tory votes) toxic, but Labour brand seems to be able to stagger on despite the terrible leaders.

    When did the 'Labour brand' last win? 1974? New Labour was effectively an admission that Labour (without the new) was toxic.

    The Labour brand is a byword for fiscal incontinence and all-round buffoonery. Comrade Corbyn is the embodiment of this.

    For what it's worth - the Tories were polling 28-30 this time last year with Comres, ICM, Survation etc.

    The Tories are miles ahead now.

    ELBOW week-ending 14th Dec................. 2014 :)

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/544101205103116288
    Ah, the daily Yougov and the twice weekly Populus....

    Those were the days.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    edited 2015 17
    I don't leverage anymore actually so Osborne's reforms don't touch me. And, the couple of properties I do let- I could charge a hell of a lot more rent if wanted more cash. I live more off my investments actually which granted is not particularly noble- making money out of money. How capitalism stacks up for people with cash. You have to be really stupid to lose it.

    But, any of you want to make any money, go buy some houses in some prime estate areas, leverage on your salary, do them up and sell them, meanwhile spread your assets in a few investment trusts, ISA's, properties and whatnot - and after doing this repeatedly for 20 years or so bingo, you don't have to work anymore. And the good thing is, you can just stop, and just carry on getting wealthier without doing anything because everything is stacked up in your favour.

    You don't have to be intelligent either. My IQ isn't great.
    watford30 said:

    tyson said:

    Just look at the images of what fracking does to the landscape. Clean- really? Sounds like you are a lobbyist.

    The Tory party used to take it's role in protecting the environment seriously. The protection of the green belt, outlawing badger cruelty and so forth.

    Now it largely comprises of squalid, sordid, unpleasant, money obsessed, scumbags really.

    tyson said:

    Actually I woke up quite chipper, but was brought down with a bump by the Today show which reported matter of factly the Tory misdeeds without any kind of critique.

    The drive for fracking, including the green belt and the cuts to subsidies for renewables are just astonishing, brutal and without any kind of regard for the environment or for future generations. It just represents cynical, lobby influenced politics worthy only of the tea party.

    Scum- that's the kindest word I can think of for our Tory rulers.



    Nice to see your priorities.

    Have you thought about buying your own drilling rig? It would be the perfect investment for a parasitical rentier, now that Osborne's put the brakes on any future expansion of your Buy to Let empire.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,882

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    You reckon he might be sharing a cell with the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's looking for a new "girlfriend?"
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2015 17
    Dan says No. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12056472/Why-I-wont-join-the-Conservative-Party.html
    As you may be aware, I’ve recently become quite an expert at this whole “leaving the Labour party” thing. And there’s a template you normally have to follow.

    You leave. You write about why you left. Then – and this is where I started to go wrong – you make sure the next thing you write is a stout defence of the underlying principles of your former party, and a full throated attack on their opponents. “Whatever differences I may have with Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party, they’re nothing compared to the differences I have with those evil, child-eating, Tory party white slavers”. The idea is, it helps you recoup a little bit of lost credibility.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    TSE re WIKI..The original info would still be there alongside the new edited material, they could also supply the date of the edit...not too difficult ..and would show what had been changed or tampered with
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744
    Sean_F said:

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    You reckon he might be sharing a cell with the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's looking for a new "girlfriend?"
    They take securities fraud very seriously over there.

    I read a publication a few years ago, about the rights of Prison guards in the US because of the high levels of HIV in the prison population, and the safe guards they have to take.

    IIRC the US Prison population is six or seven times more likely to have HIV/AIDS than the average US population.

    Was a real eye opener
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Someone is editing wikipedia to show that Labour are ahead in the polls:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    I don't know who that is, but it's wrong.
    Corbyn never had a lead after he was elected, and if he does I would prefer it be legitimate not fake.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,753
    edited 2015 17

    TSE re WIKI..The original info would still be there alongside the new edited material, they could also supply the date of the edit...not too difficult ..and would show what had been changed or tampered with

    It's all logged and timestamped. There is no such thing as "original" info on Wiki in the way you make it out too, it is the nature of the beast.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744
    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744

    TSE re WIKI..The original info would still be there alongside the new edited material, they could also supply the date of the edit...not too difficult ..and would show what had been changed or tampered with

    You've never edited a wiki page have you.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    IMF chief Christine Lagarde is to stand trial in France for alleged negligence over a €400m (£291m; $434m) payment to a businessman in 2008.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35121022

    That's 3 IMF chiefs out of 3.
    The governance of the IMF is as bad as N.Jersey and Detroit, where having someone who runs the place not arrested is very rare.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Dan says No. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12056472/Why-I-wont-join-the-Conservative-Party.html

    As you may be aware, I’ve recently become quite an expert at this whole “leaving the Labour party” thing. And there’s a template you normally have to follow.

    You leave. You write about why you left. Then – and this is where I started to go wrong – you make sure the next thing you write is a stout defence of the underlying principles of your former party, and a full throated attack on their opponents. “Whatever differences I may have with Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party, they’re nothing compared to the differences I have with those evil, child-eating, Tory party white slavers”. The idea is, it helps you recoup a little bit of lost credibility.
    It's amazing that Hodges is paid money for his gibberish. It can last.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Pong said:

    I'm genuinely interested, Richard - What are the legitimate concerns, in your eyes?

    Mainly the lorry movements and the fact that you need lots of ugly drill sites - that might be OK in North Dakota, but not in heavily-populated Britain or in good-quality countryside.

    There's also the concern about water contamination, but I think that has been exaggerated and can be managed with good geological data.
    Since when was extracting any energy 'pretty'. The drill sites are not 'ugly', they are small. There are oil extraction wells on Green Island not far for the most expensive real estate in the country. You cannot see it.

    Would we sanction coal mines now?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 17

    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy

    Who is the current head of the Ministry of Justice?
    I'll give you a clue, he messed up in his previous department and got demoted.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,419
    tyson said:

    Spurs are going to get another nasty pasting when they come to Florence and face the mighty Viola. Last year was quite delightful.

    Scott_P said:

    @tomfoot1: Remember that 2015/16 season when Arsenal won the league, Chelsea got relegated and Jeremy Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party?

    I'd go for Spurs since we're plainly in the end times.
    So, was that lyric "it's lucky for Spurs when the world ends in 1"?
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    The Chosen One is apparently getting £40 million payout for being sacked....

    I read he was only entitled to one years salary.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited 2015 17

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy


    I have two words for the MoJ: Unit Testing

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744
    Speedy said:

    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy

    Who is the current head of the Ministry of Justice?
    I'll give you a clue, he messed up in his previous department and got demoted.
    Can't blame Gove for this, the error happened in 2014, long before he became Lord Chancellor
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    Magic - Wiki is all correct again!

    Just now needs today's and November's ComRes/Mail to be added.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy


    I have two words for the MoJ: Unit Testing

    To be fair Chris Grayling the man in charge, when that (and numerous other) cockups occured, might not know a lot about computers.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Let's just abolish computers and go back to pen and paper.

    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy

  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    I nearly agree with Sunny

    twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/677528412127408131

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    He is only 32 and been dealing in his own inimitable way since he was about 19. It shows you do not need to have a classical education to be a barrow boy.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited 2015 17

    Sean_F said:

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    You reckon he might be sharing a cell with the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's looking for a new "girlfriend?"
    They take securities fraud very seriously over there.

    I read a publication a few years ago, about the rights of Prison guards in the US because of the high levels of HIV in the prison population, and the safe guards they have to take.

    IIRC the US Prison population is six or seven times more likely to have HIV/AIDS than the average US population.

    Was a real eye opener
    Five times - straight from the CDC horse's mouth
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/correctional.html

    PS Read further, and it's really not good to be black and male in the US prison system
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    Let's just abolish computers and go back to pen and paper.

    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy

    I think calculators are a good compromise.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744
    edited 2015 17
    MTimT said:

    Sean_F said:

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    You reckon he might be sharing a cell with the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's looking for a new "girlfriend?"
    They take securities fraud very seriously over there.

    I read a publication a few years ago, about the rights of Prison guards in the US because of the high levels of HIV in the prison population, and the safe guards they have to take.

    IIRC the US Prison population is six or seven times more likely to have HIV/AIDS than the average US population.

    Was a real eye opener
    Five times - straight from the CDC horse's mouth
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/correctional.html
    Thanks, I was close with six/seven.

    I think the figure I quoted was to do with other blood diseases like the Heps
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. JS, apparently, some Quaker firms still do without technology, using pen, paper, and just a telephone. From what I've heard, they're perfectly efficient, despite it sounding quaint.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    MTimT said:

    Sean_F said:

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    You reckon he might be sharing a cell with the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's looking for a new "girlfriend?"
    They take securities fraud very seriously over there.

    I read a publication a few years ago, about the rights of Prison guards in the US because of the high levels of HIV in the prison population, and the safe guards they have to take.

    IIRC the US Prison population is six or seven times more likely to have HIV/AIDS than the average US population.

    Was a real eye opener
    Five times - straight from the CDC horse's mouth
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/correctional.html

    PS Read further, and it's really not good to be black and male in the US prison system
    That first pic could be better chosen.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. T, isn't the overwhelming majority of people in jail (here or the US) male?

    If the gender disparity were reversed one can't help but feel some people would be going crazy about it.

    Of course, that's largely because men are likelier to commit crimes. However, they're also likelier to receive harsher sentences and not have psychological mitigating factors play a role in sentencing.

    [Both attractive men and good-looking women get lighter sentences as well].
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Mr. JS, apparently, some Quaker firms still do without technology, using pen, paper, and just a telephone. From what I've heard, they're perfectly efficient, despite it sounding quaint.

    The Mafia has ignored the IT revolution. They communicate verbally or on bits of paper that they then swallow.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    tyson said:

    Mass fracking licenses, sweeping cuts to renewables, and fixing the upper house to ensure that it is rendered useless. Another day of Tory rule. Further, they have cleverly put a noose around the neck of the BBC and perched it precariously on a rickety stool to ensure that it remains quiet for the foreseeable.

    The Tories and their cheerleaders are my kind of skum - fearless and inventive.

    You are really struggling to find anything wrong with the present government. '93 licences to explore 159 blocks of land' - this is a definition of 'mass' that is new to me. I do see your post as a good example of hysteria.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    And some say there is no God.
    Next time an atheist comes to me I can point to this.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
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    MTimT said:

    Sean_F said:

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    You reckon he might be sharing a cell with the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's looking for a new "girlfriend?"
    They take securities fraud very seriously over there.

    I read a publication a few years ago, about the rights of Prison guards in the US because of the high levels of HIV in the prison population, and the safe guards they have to take.

    IIRC the US Prison population is six or seven times more likely to have HIV/AIDS than the average US population.

    Was a real eye opener
    Five times - straight from the CDC horse's mouth
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/correctional.html
    Thanks, I was close with six/seven.

    I think the figure I quoted was to do with other blood diseases like the Heps
    Scratch my calculations which gave 35 times the rate for black males. I need to know absolute numbers to calculate properly.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    TSE.. never been on WIKI..Does that matter..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744

    TSE.. never been on WIKI..Does that matter..

    Yes. If you had, you wouldn't have climbed so far up Mount Wrongness
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Speedy said:

    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy

    Who is the current head of the Ministry of Justice?
    I'll give you a clue, he messed up in his previous department and got demoted.
    Can't blame Gove for this, the error happened in 2014, long before he became Lord Chancellor
    Gordon Brown's fault, I expect.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744

    Speedy said:

    Jesus wept

    Tens of thousands of couples who have settled their divorces in the last 20 months may have to re-open negotiations because a critical fault has been found in software used to calculate financial terms.

    The Ministry of Justice was urgently investigating the extent of the errors of “Form E” on its website which have the potential to inflate the financial worth of a wife or husband. It has published an email address – formE@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk – asking anyone who believes they have been affected to contact the department.

    The fact the software had been miscalculating assets since April 2014 was only spotted earlier this month by a family law specialist, Nicola Matheson-Durrant of the Family Law Clinic in Ascot, Berkshire. The MoJ only publicly admitted the problem on Thursday.

    Matheson-Durrant told the Guardian: “Having discovered the fault and advised the MoJ, it became apparent that not a single solicitor, barrister or judge in the whole of the UK had noticed this error. It is such a critical fault. This form has been used in training so it will also have been seen by paralegals, university law departments and the Law Society.”

    http://bit.ly/1JexLSy

    Who is the current head of the Ministry of Justice?
    I'll give you a clue, he messed up in his previous department and got demoted.
    Can't blame Gove for this, the error happened in 2014, long before he became Lord Chancellor
    Gordon Brown's fault, I expect.
    Yup, probably all started when he split the MOJ from the Home Office in 2007
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Miss DiCanio, makes sense. Nobody can hack a biro.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,744
    MTimT said:

    Sean_F said:

    He's been arrested on securities fraud charges - shame, as he's such a nice guy...
    Where he's going, he might need those HIV drugs
    You reckon he might be sharing a cell with the leader of the Aryan Brotherhood, who's looking for a new "girlfriend?"
    They take securities fraud very seriously over there.

    I read a publication a few years ago, about the rights of Prison guards in the US because of the high levels of HIV in the prison population, and the safe guards they have to take.

    IIRC the US Prison population is six or seven times more likely to have HIV/AIDS than the average US population.

    Was a real eye opener
    Five times - straight from the CDC horse's mouth
    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/correctional.html

    PS Read further, and it's really not good to be black and male in the US prison system
    Blimey, it ain't good to be a black male prisoner in the US
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418
    CD13 said:

    Mr Rentool,

    "If you don't mind me asking, what is the payback period on the investment?"

    I've had them four and a half years and I anticipate another eighteen months will see the purchase price repaid.

    No maintenance costs so far.

    Pity about the last few weeks - hardly a sight of the sun in the NW of England.

    A very good Scouser company installed them so I'm expecting a knock on the door from the original owners soon, asking for them back.

    PS That was a joke.

    Thanks for the info. You wouldn't get industry to invest with a payback of over 2 or 3 years in energy efficiency projects.
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