Paul: How can we make america safe, Trump says close the internet like N.Korea, Rubio says ban muslims, regime change hasn't worked, we have to stop arming ISIS, arab troops, we shouldn't let the bill of rights.
Kasich: Last weekend a friend asked my daughter about politics, I don't like politics, jobs, protecting, destroying ISIS, we'll never do it if we fight, we are americans not republicans or democrats, secure for out children.
Christie: America has been betrayed by Obama and CLinton, Los Angeles closed by a threat, think of the children,think of the mothers, think of the fathers, what has Obama done to this country, I was a federal prosecutor , I will make america safe.
Fiorina: I;m angry, insults and retoric wont take it back, all our problems can be solved, i have been tested, i've beaten breast cancer, i've been called a b@%* in my company, it's time to take our country back , join me to make it done.
Bush: our freedom is under attack, our economy too, our leader is under investigation, look america is still exceptional, we like to win, i will make it safe.
Rubio: thank you wolf, i like to find myself back here in vegas, my grandfather smoked here, our adversary, if you elected me you will have someone who believes america is the greatest in the world.
Cruz: Our country is at war, we have a president who doens't acknowledged its name, if i'm elected president we will kill the terrorists, we will destroy ISIS, we will not accept jihadists as refugees.
Carson: Join me for a moment of silence, every 20 years we are at war, this war is something that we must win, as a surgeon he had to plan to save lives, the USA is the patient that needs to be healed, Congress should declare war so that prosperity can return.
Trump: I began this journey 6 months ago, Japan, China , Mexico should not take advantage of our country, Iran deal bad, I talked about also other things, people liked it, a month ago changed, people like what i say, we needed to open that discussion.
Trump: I began this journey 6 months ago, Japan, China , Mexico should not take advantage of our country, Iran deal bad, I talked about also other things, people liked it, a month ago changed, people like what i say, we needed to open that discussion.
Are these opening statements tedious or what? There's nothing in them we haven't heard before.
Terrosrism question, on Trump about his immigration policies.
Trump: We are not talking about isolation, we are talking about security, we are not talking about religion we are talking about security, those people are gone.
Bush: First of all we need to destroy ISIS, the refugee issue will go away with ISIS, we need to arm the kurds, we need the arabs, if we ban immigration how are we going to engage the arab world, Trump is chaos.
Trump: Jeb doesn't believe it because his campaign wen't down, i don't want the country to be taken away from us.
Bush: banning all muslims is the wrong thing, we need to talk with lawyers, we need to have a support, we need a serious leader.
Rubio: I understand why people feel like that because of Obama, ISIS is sophisticated, we understand that's growing, Libya, afghanistan, we need serious proposals, Obama made things worse.
Cruz: I understand why Trump proposed that, Obama doesn't recognize the enemy's name, they want to bring thousands of people in who can't be vetted, suspend all refugees for 3 years. I'm reminded about FDR grandfather, all horsethiefs are democrats, focus on the problem, it's a war on a theocratic ideology not a faith.
Fiorina:we need to stand for solutions, not lawyers and entraitainers, to solve the problem we need to do things, technology has moved ahead, snapchat twitter is around, soon after 9/11 the NSA called me for help, technology will help, I will ask them.
Christie: It's the new normal under Obama and Clinton, we have people who are scared, as a former federal prosecutor, everywhere in america is a target for terrorists, working with, working with ,working with, we need a president and a cabinet (please hire me).
Kasich: I said last february for a gulf war coalition, the saudis have organized 34 countries, we have to destroy ISIS, in Paris they should have talked ISIS not climate change, encryprtion, FBI, we have to (karate chops), pay me now or pay me later (karate chops).
Christie: It's the new normal under Obama and Clinton, we have people who are scared, as a former federal prosecutor, everywhere in america is a target for terrorists, working with, working with ,working with, we need a president and a cabinet (please hire me).
Kasich: I said last february for a gulf war coalition, the saudis have organized 34 countries, we have to destroy ISIS, in Paris they should have talked ISIS not climate change, encryprtion, FBI, we have to (karate chops), pay me now or pay me later (karate chops).
Save yourself some keystrokes Speedy - 'please hire me' is assumed
Cruz: We reformed the federal snooping, it strengthened our tools, the prior program was narrow, now we can track everyone, targeting bad guys, Obama is targeting law abiding citizens.
Rubio: Cruz is wrong, this is a radical jihadist movement, this is the most sophisticated, we need all tools.
Cruz: Rubio knows that's not true, alinsky like attacks, the new program covers 100%.
Rubio: There is nothing that we can't do that we couldn't do, but, I promise you the first thing about records are going to be asked.
Paul: Rubio is completely wrong, bulk collection is distracting, stricted border controls is what was needed, Rubio was against all border security, he can't have it both ways, he is the weakest on border security and immigration, he's Chuck Schumer's pall.
Rubio: I thank Paul for another 30 seconds, that law was not voted because it was not terrorist related, and now we can't get records on americans.
Paul: Marco misunderstands immigration, every terrorist attack was by an immigrant.
Christie: This is how the Senate is, I for 7 years I had to make decisions, no one cares about debates about this and that, we took actions to prosecute with patriot act as a federal prosecutors, lets talk about how to do it not talk about it.
Carson: First of all I complain about my time, in everyplace in a theatre or a mosque people can plan, we are at war, we need to declare war, the muslim brotherhood will take advantage of our PC attitute. I think you have to ask them about who was right about Rubio and Paul.
Bush: My brother's comments about Islam is peace is necessary, if we do it alone we will fail, the FBI has the tools about it, we don't need to talk about it, give them rescourses and destroy ISIS, it requires leadership, doing the job.
Fiorina: Listening about this let me say why did we miss the terrorists, we collected metadata but we had the wrong algorithms, i know about them because i was a silicon valley CEO, the DHS can't chech social media but our government is corrupt and incompetent, it's dangerous, companies don't need to be forced just asked to help the FBI, obamacare.
Trump: Well look, it's so easy to answer, ISIS is recruiting people online, we need people from silicon valley, we shouldn't let them using our internet to steal our kids, we should penetrate the internet to get at ISIS and find them, i'm open to close areas where ISIS is using.
Kasich: We need to ear on the side of having more, encryption, the president , we should penetrate these people, penetrate, encryption.
Cruz: Using overwhelming airpower to destroy ISIS, saturation bombing, Obama is using only 15 air attacks a day, we need to fight and kill ISIS, it's not the lack of competence but correctness, DHS didn't monitor the terrorists because they where muslim due to political correctness, PC is killing people. I will carpet bomb the troops not cities, the objective is to kill ISIS, Obama is fuelling ISIS perception of winning.
Rubio: Understand what ISIS is, ISIS needs to be destroyed with ground troops, arab ground troops, more defence spending, our airforce is too small, ISIS is winning the propaganda war, we have to show what ISIS is. Cruz voted 3 times against the defence authorization, he supports defence cuts, no cuts, cuts, smallest airforce.
Cruz: I voted against this, because i will oppose the government having the power to detain american citizens indefinitely, i will be the greatest enemy of ISIS, Rubio supported arming ISIS.
Rubio: if you are an american citizen is ISIS you don't need rights, Clinton and Obama are not leading, we must lead.
Trump: We have to be much tougher, the mother of the terrorist knew and didn't say anything, the relatives of 9/11 were sent home to see it on tv, we have to make them care about their families lives.
Bush: this is not serious, it's crazy, 2 months ago Trump ISIS said Clinton was great.
Trump: We need toughness, we need inteligence,
Fist fight
Trump: have you apologised yet, you are trying build up energy but it's not working that well, Bush is weak, it just won't work.
Bush: I do have the strenght, leadership is about serious strategy, I laid that strategy, increase defence spending, no flyzone.
Trump: With Jeb's attitude we will never be great again.
Carson: See the eyes of those children about brain tumors, they love me, you have to look at the big picture.
OHHH the moderator attacked him on killing thousands of children like Churchill did.
Paul: arming the enemies of assad funded ISIS, those who wanted regime change, is Trump a serious candidate, closing the internet is not constitutional, killing is against the geneva convetion.
Trump: So they can kill us but we can't kill them, i'm not talking about closing our internet, but closing the internet of Syria and Iraq, I can't imagine who is booing those people wan't to kill us and you are booing infiltaring those who want to kill us.
Paul: Pushing assad back creating safe space for ISIS, is regime change a good idea, getting rid of assad creates chaos.
Kasich: this is not going to get done just working with sunnis, first gulf war, coalition for the total destruction of isis, I served on the armed services committee.
Rubio: Saudis, one major reason is that they don;t have trust on us because of iran, assad is a puppet of iran , assad created the chaos, there were no alternatives but ISIS.
Fiorina: first talking tough is not the same as being strong, not first term senators, bring back the warrior class, Petreaus, general a general b, general c, thacher, ask a woman.
Christie: We talk about our military being degraded, we have people from congress who did that, some people think that there weren't there, in N.J. i'm responsible, I agree with Marco, Obama is not trusted because of Iran.
Carson: we have to destroy ISIS, we have to take their energy, take their money, their command centers, sinjar, mosul, raqqa , special forces that work, we have a phobia about boots on the grounds we have to put boots on the ground.
Cruz: An America First forgeign policy, obama got distracted with some in congress, they led to topple Gaddafy , w e warned them and now Libya is a terrorist nightmare, we need to lern from history, Gaddafi was a bad man, Assad is a bad man, Assad is a bad man but they are against terrorism.
Rubio: The libyan people started it not us, Gaddafi killed americans, we have to work with saudi arabia, but not dictators.
Cruz: they are serching for purple unicorns of moderate rebels, isreal doens't want ISIS.
Kasich: we have to get rid of assad because he is an iranian ally, we can't back of this, the saudis have agreed to this.
Trump: in my opinion we spent 4 trillion to topple people, if we have spend that money inside america, we did a huge disservice to humanity, the middle east is a complete mess, I wihs we had that money to spent here.
Fiorina: That's what obama said, hillary open an embassy in syria, she wanted to invade libya after being friends with gaddafi.
Trump: we have nothing for it, we spent a lot and so many killed and wounded warriors, and we got nothing, at least take the oil.
Carson: No one is ever good with dictators, in a plane though in an emergence oxygen masks fall down, the middle east is in chaos for thousands of years, going in there thinking that we can fix it is foolish.
Bush: i still believe it was a good thing, it's obamas fault, hillary wants a failed foreign policy.
Paul: is regime change a good idea, there are variations of evil, regime change creates chaos which leads to terrorism.
Cruz: we should be defeating our enemies (breaking the debate rules).
Trump: Assad is a very bad guy, we call them the rebels somepeople call them isis, everyone is fighting isis, we need priorities, rid of isis first, assad and russia later.
Christie: what are the priorities,obama empowering iran created isis, get ready for murder and violence, iran and isis cause each other.
Paul: regime change is wrong, giving arms to al Qaeda is crazy, toppling assad means isis takes over.
Kasich: we have to choose, i opposed lebanon, Iraq needs to broken up, assad is an ally of iran, punch the russians because they have too much.
Fiorina: i never said that i will never talk to putin, just temporarily, i know putin, we need to speak to him from a position of strenght, only after i have done everything to attack him and everyone else, obama and hillary is behind isis because they left iraq.
Christie: i will declare war on russia. I will shoot your planes putin, obama is a feckless weakling.
Paul: If you are in favour of WW3 you've got a candidate, christie is reckless, we may not like russia but iraq and syria invited them in, don't need to confront russia from a reckless position, Christie shut down that bridge.
Christie: it's reckless to invite russia into syria, obama reckless, it's not working.
Bush: I know what I don't know, i won't get information from the shows, we need a much stronger military, B-52, navy, marines, i will be a commander in chief.
Trump: it's very sad that CNN leads Bush down the road about Trump this and that, mister Trump said this mister Trump, Santorum good guy, Huckabee good guy, it's very unprofessional.
Carson: There is a false narrative that only the media can be the commander in chief, citizen statesman, i had a lot of experience of building things, people say i'm weak because i;m not loud.
Rubio: immigration is not an issue on tv, i'm an immigrant everyone i know is an immigrant, the government is unwilling to control immigration, it takes a lot of things, the american people can be very reasonable after we do all that, a work permit after the 3rd step in 10 years.
Moderator/l you haven't answered the question.
Rubio: you have to prove to people that it needs to be working.
Cruz: Anyone who watched that battle over amnesty, like Rubio who stood by Obama, other choose to stand by jef sessions, the frontline with ISIS is JFK airport, it's criminal, you are letting people come in without vetting like san bernadino, we will build a wall and make trump pay it.
Rubio: people came here over communism, Cruz supported green cards, i will bring illegal immigration down.
Cruz: rubio is lying , i lead the fight against legalisation, marco is saying that the arsonist ans the fireman is the same thing, Rubio lied to the people of florida. I never and will never support legalization. Clinton deported 12 million people.
Trump: I have a very hardline position, do we have a country or not, walls work i know how to build, we either have a border or not, people can come in but legally.
Bush: It's important to talk, we need to secure the border, public health issues, heroin, drugs, we need fencing, we need , we need, if we get it right, obama had 6 years but did nothing.
Carson: I talked to syrians, they want to go back to syria, support the efforts of jordanians, if you go to hassaka province in N.E. Syria, there are airstrips and hotels, they need weaponry to the kurds, refuges will be infiltrated by terrorists.
Paul: we need to set the record straight, 2 iraqis who where bombers in iraq came here and no one found them, rubio was against verifying border security.
Rubio: the database messed up, if we allow 99999 surians in but 1 terrorist in, i will take this seriously.
Paul: i have not taken a position to take them back home, but charity, we shouldn't have a program to take care about the worlds refugees.
Christie: the first job is to protect you, i was a federal prosecutor, we can't vet these people, put america's security first, obama, hillary, i'm not going to let widows and orphans in, women can do hideous things.
Kasich: i was very effective protecting ohio from a syrian in akron, we never knew where obama sent those people to ohio, bad things happened to them. (karate chop)
Trump continues to be bad without a target to bash, but when he does he's great. Rubio has collapsed from the weight from everyones attacks. Cruz is doing ok but he's suffering from the mutual destruction attacks with Rubio. Paul is doing great so far, which is a surprise.
Carson is trying to convince people that he knows geography.
Christie is going to the loony house, or the dog house.
Fiorina: Kim jong un is a dangerous leader, we must continue to isolate them, we need china, but china is our enemy, we must retaliate on china, war on china, we can't let them. Only after we can ask them to help us with Korea.
Carson: Kim is unstable, N.Korea is terrible, we can use our economic power, we have to make europe dependent on us, economic power works better than military, our military needs money.
Christie: we have an open society, china is hiding things from their people, we need to fight back on them with embarrassing information on their corruption, obama has done nothing.
Bush: Hillary is using a private server, this is a serious administration, hacked with 23 million files, it's good that the media was also hacked, we need, we need, we need, russians, isis.
Trump: We need someone that we can trust, that is so pwerfull and important, in 2003 i was against invading iraq, we have to be extremely carefull with nuclear, the power is massive, the problem is not obama and climate change its nuclear bombs.
Rubio: The triad is blah blah blah, the ohio class submarine, b-52, we need modernization.
Trump: Cruz had a wonderfull temperament he's just fine. You better not attack.
Cruz: The judgement is who has the experience and the vision, it needs focus, my daughters are 7 and 5, how can we keep our kids safe, we need a strategy defaet islamism like that to defeat global communism, i will do everything necessary to keep kids safe.
Trump: I really i'm, i will be honest i willl run as a republican, i got big respect about the republican leadership, i'm totally committed to the republican party, i will do everything in my power to defeat Clinton.
Carson: What i said that i will leave the GOP, is that they shouldn't do what they did i the past with subterfuge, i spoke to the GOP chair and he told me the Washington post was wrong.
Trump is getting better. Rubio is probably the worst debater so far tonight. Cruz the best, but Trump is catching up. Paul is doing great too.
Bush is doing better than Rubio, but only because Rubio has been destroyed in comparison.
Carson is doing his geography lesson.
Fiorina and Kasich are still on the : who? category
I'd agree with most of this - Cruz and Paul have impressed, Rubio is under attack and doesn't seem confident in his principles. He doesn't agree with the other candidates but is weaselling out of differences (and awkwardly tried to hug Ted Cruz at one point.) Kasich and Fiorina very frustrated at how little they've been able to say, Fiorina has been OK, Kasich is obsessed by Ohio and looks parochial. Christie very agressive but gets noticed. Trump - I think I'd agree he's got better as this has gone on. And i've realised I completely forgot Bush, probably a fair summary.
Trump was doing like usual, he started bad but improved a lot as he went along, he just needs a target to attack. Cruz was the best but he got damaged by his war with Rubio, they like nuked each other. Rubio was destroyed, ganged up by everyone and failed to defend himself on a variety of issues, from foreign policy all the way to immigration.
Paul did ok, but had a bad closing statement, he was very good and attacked successfully most candidates, but talking about debt during a terrorism debate was stupid in his closing statement.
Bush tried to go after Trump, but it backfired.
Christie is too dangerous and unstable to be allowed in the white house, he came off like Trump but with all the negatives and no positives, and talked a lot about him being federal prosecutor.
Carson was trying to convince people that he knew about foreign policy with geography.
Fiorina and Kasich where invisible, Kasich was doing his karate chops and the ohio stuff, and Fiorina was in CEO mode.
In conclusion:
Cruz 7/10 Trump 6/10 Paul 5/10 Bush 3/10 Christie 2/10 Fiorinna 1/10 Kasich 1/10 Rubio 0/10.
I think that Trump and Cruz have actually teamed up. Looking at the stage and how Trump said that he knows him now in the last few days, and how they where talking to each other alone before the debate in the corridors, for so long the debate was delayed. I really think they made a deal and have secretly merged their campaigns.
Good work by @Speedy overnight in relation to the debate. Personally I went to bed.
On the reports this was a very bad, possibly fatal debate for Rubio. He needs to break through into the top 2 in some of the early states or he is going to die and that looks increasingly unlikely. I think Hillary will be delighted. Trump or Cruz will be a lot easier to campaign against and will make her look moderate and reasonable in a way Rubio would not have done.
Good work by @Speedy overnight in relation to the debate. Personally I went to bed.
On the reports this was a very bad, possibly fatal debate for Rubio. He needs to break through into the top 2 in some of the early states or he is going to die and that looks increasingly unlikely. I think Hillary will be delighted. Trump or Cruz will be a lot easier to campaign against and will make her look moderate and reasonable in a way Rubio would not have done.
Rather more alarmingly if she gets indicted over this email server business, we could have Pres Trump or Pres Cruz. For complete fiasco, if Cam screws the pooch on the EURef as badly as he could on current showing, we might get PM Corbyn as well
Good work by @Speedy overnight in relation to the debate. Personally I went to bed.
On the reports this was a very bad, possibly fatal debate for Rubio. He needs to break through into the top 2 in some of the early states or he is going to die and that looks increasingly unlikely. I think Hillary will be delighted. Trump or Cruz will be a lot easier to campaign against and will make her look moderate and reasonable in a way Rubio would not have done.
Rather more alarmingly if she gets indicted over this email server business, we could have Pres Trump or Pres Cruz. For complete fiasco, if Cam screws the pooch on the EURef as badly as he could on current showing, we might get PM Corbyn as well
That would be a bit scary. But I think she has survived some fairly monumental stupidity with the private server and that the story has run its course.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
I see Independent Scotland Chancellor John Swinney is to explain today how he's going to cut billions a couple of hundred million from the Scottish budget thanks to the fearless bravery of the nationalist common sense of the Scottish voter....
Good work by @Speedy overnight in relation to the debate. Personally I went to bed.
On the reports this was a very bad, possibly fatal debate for Rubio. He needs to break through into the top 2 in some of the early states or he is going to die and that looks increasingly unlikely. I think Hillary will be delighted. Trump or Cruz will be a lot easier to campaign against and will make her look moderate and reasonable in a way Rubio would not have done.
Rather more alarmingly if she gets indicted over this email server business, we could have Pres Trump or Pres Cruz. For complete fiasco, if Cam screws the pooch on the EURef as badly as he could on current showing, we might get PM Corbyn as well
That would be a bit scary. But I think she has survived some fairly monumental stupidity with the private server and that the story has run its course.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
In the event of a Hillary crash ..... another run for Kerry? Especially if he sorts something out with Putin over Syria?
It shows that $40 oil is really, really hurting American shale producers after all and the "free" capital that they have been able to draw from the market has dried up with hundreds of billions of bonds already at junk level or in default. I suspect that US production will fall sharply on the back of a lack of capital for new rigs.
I see Independent Scotland Chancellor John Swinney is to explain today how he's going to cut billions a couple of hundred million from the Scottish budget thanks to the fearless bravery of the nationalist common sense of the Scottish voter....
Perhaps they should abandon the absurd responsible person (not a parent of course) for every child which threatens an absurd waste of resources.
Good work by @Speedy overnight in relation to the debate. Personally I went to bed.
On the reports this was a very bad, possibly fatal debate for Rubio. He needs to break through into the top 2 in some of the early states or he is going to die and that looks increasingly unlikely. I think Hillary will be delighted. Trump or Cruz will be a lot easier to campaign against and will make her look moderate and reasonable in a way Rubio would not have done.
Rather more alarmingly if she gets indicted over this email server business, we could have Pres Trump or Pres Cruz. For complete fiasco, if Cam screws the pooch on the EURef as badly as he could on current showing, we might get PM Corbyn as well
That would be a bit scary. But I think she has survived some fairly monumental stupidity with the private server and that the story has run its course.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
In the event of a Hillary crash ..... another run for Kerry? Especially if he sorts something out with Putin over Syria?
The lack of obvious alternatives in the Democratic party should be concerning them. Kerry has worked hard as Secretary of State but with rather mixed results, not least because of the complete lack of interest in foreign affairs in the Whitehouse itself.
Given how he was so brutally destroyed the last time I really don't see him as an option but the alternatives are not thick on the ground.
I see that clown Charles is meddling in politics, as a monarchist I've long been concerned about this plant talking nut job. His mother must be doing all she can to outlive him.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
Yes. She was seen as a clear winner - Sanders was strong on equality and Wall Street but weak on everything else - a left-wing American friend said he seemed to be a one-issue candidate. Hillary was confident, statesmanlike and knowledgeable - easily passed the "could you see her in the White House?" test. Opinions differed on the other two candidates but they didn't really make an impact.
Good work by @Speedy overnight in relation to the debate. Personally I went to bed.
On the reports this was a very bad, possibly fatal debate for Rubio. He needs to break through into the top 2 in some of the early states or he is going to die and that looks increasingly unlikely. I think Hillary will be delighted. Trump or Cruz will be a lot easier to campaign against and will make her look moderate and reasonable in a way Rubio would not have done.
Rather more alarmingly if she gets indicted over this email server business, we could have Pres Trump or Pres Cruz. For complete fiasco, if Cam screws the pooch on the EURef as badly as he could on current showing, we might get PM Corbyn as well
That would be a bit scary. But I think she has survived some fairly monumental stupidity with the private server and that the story has run its course.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
In the event of a Hillary crash ..... another run for Kerry? Especially if he sorts something out with Putin over Syria?
Morning all,
No, I don't think so. Biden has made it pretty clear he is the 'under the bus' candidate.
I see that clown Charles is meddling in politics, as a monarchist I've long been concerned about this plant talking nut job. His mother must be doing all she can to outlive him.
Oh you mean Prince Charles? I thought initially you were being very unfair to one of our better contributors.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
Yes. She was seen as a clear winner - Sanders was strong on equality and Wall Street but weak on everything else - a left-wing American friend said he seemed to be a one-issue candidate. Hillary was confident, statesmanlike and knowledgeable - easily passed the "could you see her in the White House?" test. Opinions differed on the other two candidates but they didn't really make an impact.
The worry for Hillary is that she isn't getting too much fire testing this primary season. It might tell when it comes to the general election.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
Yes. She was seen as a clear winner - Sanders was strong on equality and Wall Street but weak on everything else - a left-wing American friend said he seemed to be a one-issue candidate. Hillary was confident, statesmanlike and knowledgeable - easily passed the "could you see her in the White House?" test. Opinions differed on the other two candidates but they didn't really make an impact.
Was that not months ago? I can't recall anything recent.
You do wonder if the Dems might be missing out on the hours of free advertising that the Republicans are getting. Having said that what the candidates have to say in these debates to win the republican voter may not do them a lot of good in the long run.
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5 minutes late and counting, something might be happening.
It's that time again.
This is the best I can get;
http://www.livenewschat.eu/the-republican-debates-live-stream/
Paul: How can we make america safe, Trump says close the internet like N.Korea, Rubio says ban muslims, regime change hasn't worked, we have to stop arming ISIS, arab troops, we shouldn't let the bill of rights.
Kasich: Last weekend a friend asked my daughter about politics, I don't like politics, jobs, protecting, destroying ISIS, we'll never do it if we fight, we are americans not republicans or democrats, secure for out children.
Fiorina: I;m angry, insults and retoric wont take it back, all our problems can be solved, i have been tested, i've beaten breast cancer, i've been called a b@%* in my company, it's time to take our country back , join me to make it done.
Bush: our freedom is under attack, our economy too, our leader is under investigation, look america is still exceptional, we like to win, i will make it safe.
Rubio: thank you wolf, i like to find myself back here in vegas, my grandfather smoked here, our adversary, if you elected me you will have someone who believes america is the greatest in the world.
Cruz: Our country is at war, we have a president who doens't acknowledged its name, if i'm elected president we will kill the terrorists, we will destroy ISIS, we will not accept jihadists as refugees.
Carson: Join me for a moment of silence, every 20 years we are at war, this war is something that we must win, as a surgeon he had to plan to save lives, the USA is the patient that needs to be healed, Congress should declare war so that prosperity can return.
A moment of silence?
Trump: We are not talking about isolation, we are talking about security, we are not talking about religion we are talking about security, those people are gone.
Bush: First of all we need to destroy ISIS, the refugee issue will go away with ISIS, we need to arm the kurds, we need the arabs, if we ban immigration how are we going to engage the arab world, Trump is chaos.
Trump: Jeb doesn't believe it because his campaign wen't down, i don't want the country to be taken away from us.
Bush: banning all muslims is the wrong thing, we need to talk with lawyers, we need to have a support, we need a serious leader.
Cruz: I understand why Trump proposed that, Obama doesn't recognize the enemy's name, they want to bring thousands of people in who can't be vetted, suspend all refugees for 3 years. I'm reminded about FDR grandfather, all horsethiefs are democrats, focus on the problem, it's a war on a theocratic ideology not a faith.
Fiorina:we need to stand for solutions, not lawyers and entraitainers, to solve the problem we need to do things, technology has moved ahead, snapchat twitter is around, soon after 9/11 the NSA called me for help, technology will help, I will ask them.
I'm watching it and he's doing as best he can, but they are not idiots.
Kasich: I said last february for a gulf war coalition, the saudis have organized 34 countries, we have to destroy ISIS, in Paris they should have talked ISIS not climate change, encryprtion, FBI, we have to (karate chops), pay me now or pay me later (karate chops).
Cruz: We reformed the federal snooping, it strengthened our tools, the prior program was narrow, now we can track everyone, targeting bad guys, Obama is targeting law abiding citizens.
Rubio: Cruz is wrong, this is a radical jihadist movement, this is the most sophisticated, we need all tools.
Cruz: Rubio knows that's not true, alinsky like attacks, the new program covers 100%.
Rubio: There is nothing that we can't do that we couldn't do, but, I promise you the first thing about records are going to be asked.
Paul: Rubio is completely wrong, bulk collection is distracting, stricted border controls is what was needed, Rubio was against all border security, he can't have it both ways, he is the weakest on border security and immigration, he's Chuck Schumer's pall.
Rubio: I thank Paul for another 30 seconds, that law was not voted because it was not terrorist related, and now we can't get records on americans.
Paul: Marco misunderstands immigration, every terrorist attack was by an immigrant.
Carson: First of all I complain about my time, in everyplace in a theatre or a mosque people can plan, we are at war, we need to declare war, the muslim brotherhood will take advantage of our PC attitute.
I think you have to ask them about who was right about Rubio and Paul.
Bush: My brother's comments about Islam is peace is necessary, if we do it alone we will fail, the FBI has the tools about it, we don't need to talk about it, give them rescourses and destroy ISIS, it requires leadership, doing the job.
Fiorina: Listening about this let me say why did we miss the terrorists, we collected metadata but we had the wrong algorithms, i know about them because i was a silicon valley CEO, the DHS can't chech social media but our government is corrupt and incompetent, it's dangerous, companies don't need to be forced just asked to help the FBI, obamacare.
Kasich: We need to ear on the side of having more, encryption, the president , we should penetrate these people, penetrate, encryption.
I will carpet bomb the troops not cities, the objective is to kill ISIS, Obama is fuelling ISIS perception of winning.
Rubio: Understand what ISIS is, ISIS needs to be destroyed with ground troops, arab ground troops, more defence spending, our airforce is too small, ISIS is winning the propaganda war, we have to show what ISIS is.
Cruz voted 3 times against the defence authorization, he supports defence cuts, no cuts, cuts, smallest airforce.
Cruz: I voted against this, because i will oppose the government having the power to detain american citizens indefinitely, i will be the greatest enemy of ISIS, Rubio supported arming ISIS.
Rubio: if you are an american citizen is ISIS you don't need rights, Clinton and Obama are not leading, we must lead.
We have to be much tougher, the mother of the terrorist knew and didn't say anything, the relatives of 9/11 were sent home to see it on tv, we have to make them care about their families lives.
Bush: this is not serious, it's crazy, 2 months ago Trump ISIS said Clinton was great.
Trump: We need toughness, we need inteligence,
Fist fight
Trump: have you apologised yet, you are trying build up energy but it's not working that well, Bush is weak, it just won't work.
Bush: I do have the strenght, leadership is about serious strategy, I laid that strategy, increase defence spending, no flyzone.
Trump: With Jeb's attitude we will never be great again.
OHHH the moderator attacked him on killing thousands of children like Churchill did.
Paul: arming the enemies of assad funded ISIS, those who wanted regime change, is Trump a serious candidate, closing the internet is not constitutional, killing is against the geneva convetion.
Trump: So they can kill us but we can't kill them, i'm not talking about closing our internet, but closing the internet of Syria and Iraq, I can't imagine who is booing those people wan't to kill us and you are booing infiltaring those who want to kill us.
Paul: Pushing assad back creating safe space for ISIS, is regime change a good idea, getting rid of assad creates chaos.
Kasich: this is not going to get done just working with sunnis, first gulf war, coalition for the total destruction of isis, I served on the armed services committee.
Keep up the good work @Speedy
Fiorina: first talking tough is not the same as being strong, not first term senators, bring back the warrior class, Petreaus, general a general b, general c, thacher, ask a woman.
Christie: We talk about our military being degraded, we have people from congress who did that, some people think that there weren't there, in N.J. i'm responsible, I agree with Marco, Obama is not trusted because of Iran.
Carson: we have to destroy ISIS, we have to take their energy, take their money, their command centers, sinjar, mosul, raqqa , special forces that work, we have a phobia about boots on the grounds we have to put boots on the ground.
Finally a break!
Trump is not doing well on him self, however when confronted he did do ok, against Bush and the protestors.
Rubio vs Cruz and Paul, have nuked each side.
Rubio is having his worst debate so far, being attacked by everyone on everything and he can't defend himself .
Cruz and Paul are doing ok so far.
Christie, Kasich and Fiorina are nowhere.
Rubio: The libyan people started it not us, Gaddafi killed americans, we have to work with saudi arabia, but not dictators.
Cruz: they are serching for purple unicorns of moderate rebels, isreal doens't want ISIS.
Kasich: we have to get rid of assad because he is an iranian ally, we can't back of this, the saudis have agreed to this.
Trump: in my opinion we spent 4 trillion to topple people, if we have spend that money inside america, we did a huge disservice to humanity, the middle east is a complete mess, I wihs we had that money to spent here.
Fiorina: That's what obama said, hillary open an embassy in syria, she wanted to invade libya after being friends with gaddafi.
Trump: we have nothing for it, we spent a lot and so many killed and wounded warriors, and we got nothing, at least take the oil.
Bush: i still believe it was a good thing, it's obamas fault, hillary wants a failed foreign policy.
Paul: is regime change a good idea, there are variations of evil, regime change creates chaos which leads to terrorism.
Cruz: we should be defeating our enemies (breaking the debate rules).
Trump: Assad is a very bad guy, we call them the rebels somepeople call them isis, everyone is fighting isis, we need priorities, rid of isis first, assad and russia later.
Christie: what are the priorities,obama empowering iran created isis, get ready for murder and violence, iran and isis cause each other.
Paul: regime change is wrong, giving arms to al Qaeda is crazy, toppling assad means isis takes over.
Kasich: we have to choose, i opposed lebanon, Iraq needs to broken up, assad is an ally of iran, punch the russians because they have too much.
Christie: i will declare war on russia.
I will shoot your planes putin, obama is a feckless weakling.
Paul: If you are in favour of WW3 you've got a candidate, christie is reckless, we may not like russia but iraq and syria invited them in, don't need to confront russia from a reckless position, Christie shut down that bridge.
Christie: it's reckless to invite russia into syria, obama reckless, it's not working.
Bush: I know what I don't know, i won't get information from the shows, we need a much stronger military, B-52, navy, marines, i will be a commander in chief.
It was allegedly created by an hour of creative combing and 2 cans of hair spray
Clarification - I have a vote in ONE primary
Moderator/l you haven't answered the question.
Rubio: you have to prove to people that it needs to be working.
Cruz: Anyone who watched that battle over amnesty, like Rubio who stood by Obama, other choose to stand by jef sessions, the frontline with ISIS is JFK airport, it's criminal, you are letting people come in without vetting like san bernadino, we will build a wall and make trump pay it.
Rubio: people came here over communism, Cruz supported green cards, i will bring illegal immigration down.
Cruz: rubio is lying , i lead the fight against legalisation, marco is saying that the arsonist ans the fireman is the same thing, Rubio lied to the people of florida. I never and will never support legalization.
Clinton deported 12 million people.
Bush: It's important to talk, we need to secure the border, public health issues, heroin, drugs, we need fencing, we need , we need, if we get it right, obama had 6 years but did nothing.
Carson: I talked to syrians, they want to go back to syria, support the efforts of jordanians, if you go to hassaka province in N.E. Syria, there are airstrips and hotels, they need weaponry to the kurds, refuges will be infiltrated by terrorists.
Paul: we need to set the record straight, 2 iraqis who where bombers in iraq came here and no one found them, rubio was against verifying border security.
Rubio: the database messed up, if we allow 99999 surians in but 1 terrorist in, i will take this seriously.
Paul: i have not taken a position to take them back home, but charity, we shouldn't have a program to take care about the worlds refugees.
Kasich: i was very effective protecting ohio from a syrian in akron, we never knew where obama sent those people to ohio, bad things happened to them. (karate chop)
Trump continues to be bad without a target to bash, but when he does he's great.
Rubio has collapsed from the weight from everyones attacks.
Cruz is doing ok but he's suffering from the mutual destruction attacks with Rubio.
Paul is doing great so far, which is a surprise.
Carson is trying to convince people that he knows geography.
Christie is going to the loony house, or the dog house.
Fiorinna, Kasich: who?
Only after we can ask them to help us with Korea.
Carson: Kim is unstable, N.Korea is terrible, we can use our economic power, we have to make europe dependent on us, economic power works better than military, our military needs money.
Christie: we have an open society, china is hiding things from their people, we need to fight back on them with embarrassing information on their corruption, obama has done nothing.
Bush: Hillary is using a private server, this is a serious administration, hacked with 23 million files, it's good that the media was also hacked, we need, we need, we need, russians, isis.
Trump: We need someone that we can trust, that is so pwerfull and important, in 2003 i was against invading iraq, we have to be extremely carefull with nuclear, the power is massive, the problem is not obama and climate change its nuclear bombs.
Trump: Cruz had a wonderfull temperament he's just fine.
You better not attack.
Cruz: The judgement is who has the experience and the vision, it needs focus, my daughters are 7 and 5, how can we keep our kids safe, we need a strategy defaet islamism like that to defeat global communism, i will do everything necessary to keep kids safe.
Carson: What i said that i will leave the GOP, is that they shouldn't do what they did i the past with subterfuge, i spoke to the GOP chair and he told me the Washington post was wrong.
Verdict.
Trump is getting better.
Rubio is probably the worst debater so far tonight.
Cruz the best, but Trump is catching up.
Paul is doing great too.
Bush is doing better than Rubio, but only because Rubio has been destroyed in comparison.
Carson is doing his geography lesson.
Fiorina and Kasich are still on the : who? category
So far:
Cruz
Paul
Trump
Paul: debt is our biggest threat, i'm a fiscal conservative.
Kasich: no republican has been president without ohio, america is ohio.
Christie: on september 10th 2001 i became federal prosecutor, on 11th terrorists, terrorism, terrorism, your children and your families.
Fiorina: I remember 9/1, to keep our nation safe we have to beat hillary, we need to be better, i can, i am.
Bush: ask yourself which will keep you safer, my detail plans.
Rubio: What is at stake, this a unique country, the american dream , rebuild the military, new american century.
Cruz: Judgement, strenght, clarity, trust, obama is wrong, Reagan, i will defeat the USSR, to defeat radical islamism.
Carson: i traveled to 50 different countries, we must preserve that, m mother told me.
Trump: We don't win any more, we don't defeat isis, we have to change out entire system, we will win a lot.
And that's it.
Trump was doing like usual, he started bad but improved a lot as he went along, he just needs a target to attack.
Cruz was the best but he got damaged by his war with Rubio, they like nuked each other.
Rubio was destroyed, ganged up by everyone and failed to defend himself on a variety of issues, from foreign policy all the way to immigration.
Paul did ok, but had a bad closing statement, he was very good and attacked successfully most candidates, but talking about debt during a terrorism debate was stupid in his closing statement.
Bush tried to go after Trump, but it backfired.
Christie is too dangerous and unstable to be allowed in the white house, he came off like Trump but with all the negatives and no positives, and talked a lot about him being federal prosecutor.
Carson was trying to convince people that he knew about foreign policy with geography.
Fiorina and Kasich where invisible, Kasich was doing his karate chops and the ohio stuff, and Fiorina was in CEO mode.
In conclusion:
Cruz 7/10
Trump 6/10
Paul 5/10
Bush 3/10
Christie 2/10
Fiorinna 1/10
Kasich 1/10
Rubio 0/10.
Goodnight or good morning.
Looking at the stage and how Trump said that he knows him now in the last few days, and how they where talking to each other alone before the debate in the corridors, for so long the debate was delayed.
I really think they made a deal and have secretly merged their campaigns.
On the reports this was a very bad, possibly fatal debate for Rubio. He needs to break through into the top 2 in some of the early states or he is going to die and that looks increasingly unlikely. I think Hillary will be delighted. Trump or Cruz will be a lot easier to campaign against and will make her look moderate and reasonable in a way Rubio would not have done.
Have the Democrats even had a debate so far? If they have it passed me by. Their contest is looking like a Brown like coronation. That went well.
On other matters a rather AEP like article by Jeremy Warner that is well worth a read: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/12052433/Third-Avenue-could-be-the-event-that-will-finally-explode-the-post-crisis-asset-bubble.html
It shows that $40 oil is really, really hurting American shale producers after all and the "free" capital that they have been able to draw from the market has dried up with hundreds of billions of bonds already at junk level or in default. I suspect that US production will fall sharply on the back of a lack of capital for new rigs.
Given how he was so brutally destroyed the last time I really don't see him as an option but the alternatives are not thick on the ground.
No, I don't think so. Biden has made it pretty clear he is the 'under the bus' candidate.
Britain Elects @britainelects 8h8 hours ago
Shepperton Town (Spelthorne) result:
CON: 62.0% (+6.1)
UKIP: 13.0% (-5.4)
LDEM: 11.1% (-0.8)
LAB: 8.9% (-4.8)
GRN: 4.9% (+4.9)
You do wonder if the Dems might be missing out on the hours of free advertising that the Republicans are getting. Having said that what the candidates have to say in these debates to win the republican voter may not do them a lot of good in the long run.